Thread 215942774

>buddhism started in India
>less than 1% of Indians believe in it


Why did they not take him seriously?

Buddhism challenged the caste structure and authority of the priests so it was deterred
It did better with evangelizing to people outside the culture it originated.
It's similar to Christianity's relationship with Judaism.
To this day Dalits use Buddhism as a socio-political force to resist casteism.

>>215942821
Buddhism is also much more high IQ than Hinduism.

>>215942857
I mean, that's another reason it didn't take off.
It's a religion primarily meant for monastics and its original form didn't address the concerns of laypeople too well.

>>215942821
あ、すごい。

>>215942857
Really not, it's just another form of hinduism

Many forms of hinduism are more dissimilar

>>215942774 (OP)
Because of metaphysical disagreement and varying schools of thought emerging being at odds with one another. Is there an underlying eternal self? Or Buddhist non self? Is there a God? Are we/part of god? Moksha/Enlightenment and what that looks like arent even the same between these various belief systems.

>>215942774 (OP)
rejected atman/brahman. but mostly due to muzzies killed and mass converted all the buddhists in the north which was the historical place where they were most prominent

>>215942774 (OP)
They started insulting vedas and brahmins.

>>215944697
>>215945188

Why kill Buddhists but not Hindus? This makes no sense? Why favor Hindus


>>215945188
And what did Brahmins do to them?

>>215945837
cause hinduism lets them rape women

>>215942774 (OP)
There are many reasons. The Bhakti (devotional) worship movement took root in India. People found it more life affirming to worship a God and simply try to live a moral lifestyle than to practice non-attachment. With the growing popularity of devotional Hinduism, patronage for Buddhist monasteries and other centers of learning (which were already growing less efficient) declined. That said, Buddhism still had a strong grip in Western India (now Pakistan) and Eastern Afghanistan. However, the arrival of Islam to subcontinent completely destroyed Buddhism there

>>215945837
Buddhists hated brahmins and brahmincal way of life.
Brahmins ate meat, had rituals killing animals and scarficing humans for war goddess Kali and Durga devi, untouchability, ritual pureness, things buddhists hated
This is only in India btw. Outside of India, brahmins and buddhists coexists like in Thailand.

>>215946002
That's an oversimplification, many of the Buddha's early followers were themselves Brahmins and the Buddha claimed to be a "true" Brahmin due to his wisdom. The Buddha was anti-ritualism, rituals which were conducted by Brahmin priests. The notion that the Buddha, who seemed very proud of his Kshatriya identity and was put to rest via Kshatriya rites was staunchly anti-caste is an invention of the mid-20th century with the Navayana movement

>>215946086
He was anti rituals, true. But buddhism by essence is just Indian athiesm.
Rooted in our cavarka principles of our philosophy. Even still many people follow this, they just have hindu names but have hight contempt towards Sanatama Dharma.

>>215946185
Tibetan and Burmese Buddhists have great inter-faith relationships with Hindus, the percieved tension between Buddhists and Hindus stems from the Ambedkarite appropriation of Buddhist symbols. Actual Buddhists like Burmese Buddhists fucking hate Navayana for this reason.

>>215945837
they killed both but hindus can survive without clergy(bhakti movement stemming from late medieval hindu synthesis), heart of Buddhism lies in monastics and they had large centralized institutional like vikramshila odantapuri and Nalanda which were unprotected sitting ducks worth plundering. Buddhism in the late medieval period lost royal patronage from petty kingdoms to saiva cults who appealed to kings by performing tantric ceremonies larping as universal conqueror killing all their foes(tantric buddhism was response to this so you can see like deities like Heruka, Vajrayoginī, and Mahākāla with saiva counterparts)unlike previous strong and large empires like guptas and mauryans who gave them land and funding, the latter also was much more amiable to sramanas than vedic orthodoxy.

>>215946086
Talking about Buddhism is like talking about Catholicism, there's endless amounts of schisms. Tantric Buddhism, Buddhism that's functionally idol worship, monastic Buddhism, evangelical Buddhism, new age spirtuality Buddhism, philosophical Buddhism. Only Theravada really has dogma but it's only for monastics, Mahayana is basically patriarchal Manichaeism/Nestorian Christianity, and then you have gurus/lamas. Mahayana actually has patriarchs and full of chinks claiming to be the 30th in line of succession to Bodhidharma, Padmasambhava is seen as the second coming of Buddha in Tibet, and Theravada has changed drastically since the height of Siam. It is easily the most schismatic 'world religion' and has almost no emphasis on theology, there isn't much written material compared to Catholics.

>>215942774 (OP)
Reasons: >>>/wsg/5993963

>>215943454
You're going to call me a jeet for this but every major religion is a variation of Hinduism technically.

>>215942774 (OP)
Buddha is to Indians like what Jesus was to the jews, kind of

>>215942774 (OP)
Isn't basic hygiene a requirement in Buddhism?

>>215948959
maybe only on a superficial level.

>>215948959
So evil people and Buddha tried to civilize them but they wouldn't listen

>>215948959
This.
Buddha made Brahmin clitties leak just like Jesus did with the Pharisees.

>>215948959
That's a very surface level comparison, Jesus was rejected by the Jews. The Buddha was accepted as an Avatar by Hindus is probably one of the most revered, uncontroversial figures within India

>>215949151
>The Buddha was accepted as an Avatar by Hindus is probably one of the most revered, uncontroversial figures within India
yeah but it's like if jews revered Jesus for tricking evil goyim into Christianity so the jewish faith could remain uncorrupted

>>215949236
there's limitations to how far you can compare the two

>>215949151
the parts that is usually left out is the reason vishnu became an buddha avatar is to mislead the populace into atheism during the kaliyuga by “propounding imaginary meanings for the Vedas” to bewilder them

>kikes
they worship their demons moloch and remphan
>musloids
they worship their demon baphomet
>jeets
they worship their demon legion, like all pagoids
>buddhists
they worship the false vision of '''gnosis''''
>protestoids
they worship their masters the jews

simple as

>>215949376
don’t be so dogmatic my friend. YHWH was originally a part of the israelite pantheon that they elevated and merged with high god el and absorbing elements of other gods like baal. It’s not really something unique.

>>215948959
Jews followed Jesus and kept following him. A number did not follow and stayed around till the modern age. It's a misnomer to say all jews rejected Jesus.

>>215949376
Care to enlighten the thread about the vatican's connection to the rothchilds?

>>215946086
>the Buddha claimed to be a "true" Brahmin due to his wisdom
He rejected people being pure (brahmin) by virtue of their birth, and claimed people became brahmin by their acts and wisdom.
>Kshatriya rites was staunchly anti-caste is an invention of the mid-20th century with the Navayana movement
He didn't explicitly ask his followers to tear down the caste system because that's not how Buddhism works. He rejected the caste system, blessed intercaste marriages, personally ordained a dalit (Sunita), and entrusted his monastic order to Upali, a former shudra caste barber, after his death.
>put to rest via Kshatriya rites
Buddhists don't consider this to have any significance. He was laid to rest with contemporary funeral rites.

In the anguttara nikaya, one of the ten things the buddha tells people to reflect on is
>“‘I have become casteless’: a person gone forth should often reflect on this.
https://suttacentral.net/an10.48/en/thanissaro

>I was born in a low-class family. We were poor, with little to eat. My job was lowly—I threw out the old flowers.
>Shunned by people, I was disregarded and held in contempt. I humbled my heart and paid respects to many people.
>Then I saw the Buddha at the fore of the mendicant Saṅgha; the great hero was entering the capital city of the Magadhans.
>I dropped my flail and approached to pay homage. Out of sympathy for me, the supreme man stood still.
>When I had paid homage at the Teacher’s feet, I stood to one side and asked the supreme being for the going-forth.
>Then the Teacher, being sympathetic, and having sympathy for the whole world, said to me, “Come, monk!” That was my ordination.
>When he saw me honored by the assembly of gods, the Teacher smiled and said the following:
>“By fervor and spiritual practice, by restraint and by self-control: that’s how to become a brahmin, this is the supreme brahmin.”
https://suttacentral.net/thag12.2/en/sujato

>>215942774 (OP)
Adi Shankara revitalized Hinduism and swept off Buddhism's influence. Also, many historically Buddhist places in Northern India fell to Islam.

>>215946086
>the Buddha claimed to be a "true" Brahmin due to his wisdom
The Buddha also declared a Dalit monk who attained enlightenment to be a supreme Brahmin
>“By fervor and spiritual practice, by restraint and by self-control: that’s how to become a brahmin, this is the supreme brahmin.”

>>215942821
>Buddhism challenged the caste structure and authority of the priests so it was deterred
What absolute nonsense. The Buddhists believed in a rigid structure of ritualistic purity that was linked to a person's varna as well. Chandals were seen as lowly people by them and were relegated to living outside towns and were forced to use their own wells etc etc
The Brahmins copied the whole concept of tamasic vs non tamasic autism from the Buddhists too which is why they're weak veg cucks today.

>>215950850
shankara was declared to be a crypto buddhist both back then and now and his supposed contribution to the downfall of buddhism in india is post-hoc rationalization and pure myth making on part of jingoistic hindutvas.

>>215946086
>many of the Buddha's early followers were themselves Brahmins
True
>Buddha claimed to be a "true" Brahmin due to his wisdom
He upheld the caste system of the time by coping about how one became englightened through their actions of giving away their mortal desires.
How do you expect a miserable downtrodden man that you cast away as impure to give away hunger when he's starving?
The Buddha could have said a hundred things but Buddhists were just as venomous as Brahmins.

>ask a niche question about South Asia
>a bunch of Indian flags start arguing... As do a bunch of American, Canadian, UK flags

Making these threads is truly like taking a trip to your local Costco at 5 pm on a Friday; really illuminates how many poojeets shit where you eat. You just isn't realize them until they're all gathered in one shithole.

>>215942894
Someone needs to invent a religion that actually improves the world.

>>215950944
>How do you expect a miserable downtrodden man that you cast away as impure to give away hunger when he's starving?
You are not expected to give away hunger or starve to be virtuous. The buddha advocates for the middle path between indulgence and extreme self denial. He tried to reach enlightenment by meditating while eating tree bark and leaves, almost starving himself to death, and abandoned that path.

>>215951103
Jesus did

>>215951103
we already have that it’s called second temple judaism and it’s children christianity and islam

>>215951133
>>215951134
>buddhist flags are all abrahamgolems
This is why adi shankaracharya was right about you
Off with your dead jew worship

>>215950899
There's a story about Buddha's cousin accepting water from a lower caste woman. He didn't go crusading about caste but Buddhism fundamentally upends caste by making enlightenment avaliable to everyone regardless of birth status.

>Christcucks are intellectualizing dharma

YOU WORSHIP A DEAD JEW ON A STICK
A DEAD JEW

>>215951054
>ask a question realted to India
>Indian and India adjacent flags answer
>this is somehow distressing

>>215951133 >>215951134 >>215951168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIQpuKHHI-E

>>215951168
>>215951229
We're talking about Indian religions. You're the only one talking about Abrahamics.

>>215951168
Strictly speaking most theistic hindus would be in bed with abrahamics
> In the Padma Purana, Uttara Khanda, Chapter 236, Lord Shiva says to Parvati that He would incarnate as Adi Shankaracharya to teach the mayavadi philosophy:

>mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina (Padma Purana 6.236.7)

>Translation: "Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

> sruti-vakyanam darsayan loka-garhitam sva-karma-rupam tyajya tvam atraiva pratipadyate sarva-karma paribhrastair vaidharma tvam tad ucyate paresa-jiva-paraikyam maya tu pratipadyate (Padma Purana 6.236.8-9)

> Translation: "This mayavada advaita philosophy preached by me (in form of Adi Shankara) deprives the words of the holy texts of their acutal meaning and thus it is condemned in the world. It recommends the renunciation of one's own duties, since those who have fallen from their duties say that the giving up of duties is religiosity. In this way, I have also falsely propounded the identity of the Supreme Lord and the individual soul."

> brahmanas caparam rupam nirgunam vaksyate maya sarva-svam jagato py asya mohanartham kalu yuge (Padma Purana 6.236.10)

>Translation: "In order to bewilder the atheists, in Kali-yuga, I describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishna to be without any form and without qualities."

>vedante tu maha-sastrera mayavadam avaidikam mayaiva vaksyate devi jagatam nasha-karanat (Padma Purana 6.236.11)

>Translation: "Similarly, in explaining Vedanta scripture, I described the same non-scriptural and inauspicious mayavada philosophy in order to mislead the entire population toward atheism by denying the personal form of my beloved Lord."
you are a crypto atheist and shunned by most hindus

>>215949333
That's an older interpretation, the modern one is that the Buddha was sent as an Avatar to move Dharma away from ritualism back to inner philosophy and extend Dharma to atheists. Positioning the Buddha as a Vaishnavic hero actually stems from the Buddhists themselves via the Jataka Tales

>>215950936
>crypto-Buddhist
This is cope, how can he be a crypto Buddhist when Hinduism and Buddhism fundamentally disagree on the existence of the Atman?

>>215951266
Not gonna argue theology with a fucking human worshipper, dont you guys eat his blood as juice or something? Lmao

>>215951273
This is Smirti, it isn't as authoritative as Shurti texts

>>215951314
You're trying too hard to derail the thread OG Dalit go away nigga go post your shitty baits somewhere else

>>215951303
Bhaskara (9th Century CE), the propounder of bhedabheda-siddhanta was one of the earliest Indian philosophers to attack Mayavada. In his commentary on Vedanta-sutra, Bhaskara does not mention Sankara by name, nor does he mention the name of his philosophy. However by reviewing his arguments against the monistic doctrine of maya and the Advaitic concept of anirvacaniya, it is obvious who and what he is alluding to.

Bhaskara is positively vitriolic when writing about the Advaitin’s concept of maya, referring to it’s adherents as bauddha-matavalambin (those that cling to Buddhist ideology) and goes on to say that their philosophy reeks of Buddhism (bauddha-gandhin). Bhaskara concludes that, “No one but a drunkard could hold such theories” and that Mayavada is subversive of all sastrika knowledge:
>Expanding on the contradictory and baseless philosophy of maya propagated by the Mahayanika Buddhists, the Mayavadis have misled the whole world. (Bhaskara’s Brahma-sutra-bhasya 1.4.25)

In his Siddha-traya, the Vaisnava philosopher Yamunacarya (917–1042 CE) stated that Buddhism and Mayavada was essentially the same thing. The only difference he could see was that while one was openly Buddhist (prakata-saugata), the other was simply covered (pracchana-saugata).

Following on from Yamunacarya, his disciple Sri Ramanuja (1017-1137 CE) also concurred that Mayavada was another form of Buddhism. In his Sri Bhashya commentary on the Vedanta-sutras, Ramanuja says that to claim that non-differentiated consciousness is real and all else is false is the same as the Buddhist concept of universal void. Furthermore, Ramanuja states that the concepts of such crypto-Buddhists make a mockery of the teachings of the Vedas (veda-vadacchadma pracchana-bauddha).

>>215951396
Another acarya in the line of Ramanuja, Vedanta Desika (1269–1370) wrote his famous Sata-dusini, a text expounding one hundred flaws found in Mayavada. In that work he refers to Sankara as a rahu-mimamsaka (one who obscures the true meaning of Vedanta), a bhrama-bhiksu (a confused beggar), a cadmavesa-dhari – one who is disguised in false garb, and goes on to assert that, “By memorizing the arguments of the Sata-dusini like a parrot, one would be victorious over the crypto-Buddhists.”

In another work, Paramata-bhangam, Vedanta Desika refers to Sankara as, “One who studied the Vedas in the shop of a Madhyamika Buddhist” (referring to Sankara’s param-guru Gaudapada of whom we will speak of later in this article).

>>215951336
Who are you discussing with bro? All the posters here as some pastors, the thai poster is probably some evangelical missionary

>>215951327
That may be but it sufficiently demonstrates the attitude of some theistic hindus towards advaita

>>215951432
are you actually retarded? Im the furthest thing from what you are accusing me of

>>215945188
Why do the vedas even have any authority? It's a bunch of primitive superstitions like the sanctity of cow shit

>>215951480
It's like 3 AM where I am and I'm too tired to read all of what you've written lmao. Are you Buddhist?

>>215952057
yes, in case the nutcase above accuses me of being a pastor