Thread 216293040

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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>>216293040 (OP)
Dead thread

I like how we got rid of the FAQ

>>216294574
Nein, dieser Faden wird höchstwahrscheinlich lange am Leben bleiben weil der Op schlauerweise den mit einem lusterregenden Bild versehen hat.

>>216294730
All we need is cute girls.

Three step plan to success:
1. Learn your TL
2. Go to country where TL is spoken
3. Get cute gf

What could possibly go wrong?

>>216295335
Better plan

1. Learn TL
2. Go to country where TL is spoken
3. Find a tavern/bar and make a new friend group of good lads to watch sports and drink beer with

More realistic, less heartbreak, and more fun.

how do i get over bad language learning experiences? i keep getting distracted during my lessons

Three step plan to success:
1. Learn your TL
2. Go to country where TL is spoken
3. Naturalize, change your name and successfully pretend to be native

Japanese orthography is weird. They put commas wherever they feel like, without any logic and constantly split lines in the middle of words, even loanwords written in katakana.

>>216295506
My new name is Tanaka Takayuki, the White Samurai

When you reach enlightenment, all you need is a single step
1. Learn your TL

>>216295486
Unless you were raped by someone in your TL, whatever you are facing is a nothing burger

>>216295869
very helpful

>>216295486
What is happening during your lessons?

>>216295949
They were raped by their old man instructor T^T

>>216295949
I think it's the dude who got cucked by the russian chick again, lol

mi volas japanan koramikinon

>>216295949
no its not to do with the lessons its just whenever i engage with the language all i can think about is the bad experiences so i want to get over them

Total Krashen Victory.

>>216296805
>in order to learn a language you need to parse messages in that language

>>216295522
Truly the most schizoid of languages. I legit despise it on every single level imaginable.

>>216295522
Commas and full stops in Japanese/Chinese are a recent innovation, originally text was written without any punctuation at all.
Then they started using 。,、but only for poetry. 。indicates a full stop, ,is a half rest, and 、is a short pause
In China they only started using punctuation consistently after 1920ish. Idk about Japanese, but I expect they weren't much earlier.

Music like this finna make me learn Korean dawg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKsj5mCR7qs

I remember there's a website where you can stream German-dubbed tv shows.
It could be bs.to, but that website is no more.

I want to watch Justice League (Die Liga der Gerechten) in German.

Anyone got an alternative website?

It's difficult to find torrents of German/other European language-dubbed tv shows. Unless someone has a tip?

>>216293040 (OP)
Is "overcompensate" such a rare word? I downloaded a list of English words by frequency from Kaggle, and this word is located at line 386504.

>>216299387
https://s.to
https://bs.to
Both are working for me.

>>216299562
s.to doesn't have justice league
bs.to, I can't open. Perhaps it blocks Indonesian connection.

>>216299511
There isn't many situations you would use it. I wouldn't say its rare though. No way is it used less than any of the other words on this list, of which some appear to be brands (i.e. modcloth) or names (i.e. axson) or place names (i.e. swangard)

>>216299616
https://s.to/serie/stream/justice-league
https://s.to/serie/stream/justice-league-unlimited
https://s.to/serie/stream/justice-league-action

Is it one of these?

>>216299616
>>216299562
Never mind. My bad. The justice league cartoon is there. They didn’t use the german title.
Still can’t open bs.to even with vpn.

>>216299731
Yep, my bad. Thanks again.

>>216299511
Frequency lists beyond the first one or two thousand words just reflect the corpus used to build them.

>>216299810
pic related

Is this really what Germans listen to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1rUYLX2fk

>>216294887
pretty good but when referring back to a noun like you did there, it's best to use regular personal pronouns, thus
>, weil der op ihn schlauerweise mit einem...
i think den isn't technically wrong there but semantically it means "that one" here, as if you meant to say "that specific thread over there"
it's weird to get used to using personal pronouns for regular nouns and even though i speak german, it also feels sort of strange in russian to me, but whatever, it's what must be done...

>>216300366
i am german and i do not listen to this, i will ask the other germans tomorrow if they do

>>216299511
It's very informal/internet/Reddit-lingo
Infrequently seen in formal and literary works
Which as the Italian says is just reflecting the bias of the corpus you're using

>>216300521
I wouldn't go as far as to say it is informal, there are just other ways of expressing the meaning or even more suitable synonyms for specific situations.
I personally have seen overcompensate in some academic papers.

>>216300450
>i am german and i do not listen to this
Wir machen das in Deutschland nicht
Am I correct?

>>216300847
yeah looks fine to me

there's no amount of 'remembering the hanzi' that can make 未末 make sense

Rn trying to get a C1 CEFR on French and Portuguese.
Might grind German again but I'm too busy rn, I'll probably switch to a more useful language (Like Mandarin or Russian).

>>216301473
What's your current method for learning Chinese?

>>216300366
Yes, unfortunately. Ski AGU, Ikkimel and this one Turkish rapper I don't remember his name

>>216301473
木 is a tree. 未 and 末 are also both trees.
未 is a tree with short branches on the top, it's not finished growing = not yet finished
末 has long branches, indicating it's completed or ended = complete, end
This is the origin of the meaning of the two characters, it shouldn't be that hard to remember

Arguably something like 复 and 夏 or 长 multi-reading characters are harder

Is this hello talk a dating app??? I've just liked talking to people

>>216302654
>Is this hello talk a dating app?
Its not supposed to be, but a lot of people use it as one so I wouldn't be surprised if they just leaned into it more.
For me, OkCupid is the app I use to find people to talk to in my TL lol.

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we're not beating the coomer accusations are we

>>216304045
Biology suggests the meaning of life is to slay poon. That is why I learn my tl.

>>216301567
I've just mostly followed the HSK books and complemented it with a few beginner podcasts and the grammar guides in the chinese resource wiki (the official books are kind of bad at explaining grammar).

>>216302087
But it's still really hard to see in a screen. I just realized because i saw the word 周末 and my brain went "zhouwei". You could realize that 复 and 夏 have different hats even from afar.

>>216304257
I don't know if that's the meaning of it, but it is undeniably one of the main driving forces behind it.

>>216304374
once you learn the words it's easy. If you learnt the word 周末 you would always recognise it as mo and never mistake it for 未
the fact that 未 is far more common than 末 also doesn't help

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What is your favorite book you've read in your TL and what's a book you'd like to read in the future, but maybe aren't ready for?

For German probably All Quiet on the Western Front is my favorite so far. In the future I'd like to read Magic Mountain by Mann, but still think that's a bit ambitious.

I've only read the first Harry Potter in french. Pretty ignorant of French lit so not really sure what I want to read in the future. Maybe the Plague by Camus.

>>216307059
Moomins

What the fuck is TL and NL.

>>216308610
>TL
Target language
>NL
I would imagine Native language, but I have never used this abbreviation in my life.

>>216308662
yes it means native language

also sometimes called L1 and L2

Hallo, meinen Digger.

>>216307059
Onkel Dagobert - Sein Leben, seine Milliarden

>>216302087
>>216305773
What do you do to improve your chinese pronunciaton and/or speaking in general?

>>216307059
haven't read enough yet to have a favorite book
want to read engrenages et sortilèges

>>216311290
talk to my gf

being serious, just talk to more Chinese people, and pay attention to how they speak. Also get someone who ruthlessly criticises your pronunciation - most teachers won't point out your mistakes because they think if they can understand it then it's good enough.

I know theres probably no Chinese people in Mexico so you can try language exchange apps or asking on Chinese social media, ik its shit but its the best option you have

>>216312254
>no Chinese people in Mexico.
There is Chinese people in almost every medium to big city in Mexico. However, most don't speak Mandarin.
Thanks for the advice anyways.

bump dead thread

Does anyone still have hearts on their Duolingo? Mine switched to energy recently

any easier french cartoons i can watch on yt? most i found are short vids not full episodes, i want subs!

Which Romance language will give you the highest degree of understanding all the other Romance languages with little effort? I feel like it is Italian.

>>216315303
Des sous-titres sont une béquille.

Can someone post a smaller language w/ some interesting grammar (only for skimming a descriptive grammar)

>>216315330
the auto generated subtitles suck for spongebob
>>216315400
so how would I learn lol, i cant see word definitions without it

>>216315330
There isn't really a good answer to that question imo.
You can think of them kind of like a gradient (From west to east, Portuguese <--> Romanian)
But each one has its own bank of unique words that make it annoying even if you know the others.

>>216315690
Have a look at Georgian

>>216315905
We will be looking at Kabardian, thanks for the pointer

Are the certs actually worth it? Shit is like 200+

>>216316956
Do you want a job?
Do you want to pursue full-time study?
If no, then no
If yes, then yes

>>216296805
there was very little in the way of good CI when I started my language a year ago and now there's like 1.5k extra hours of it on youtube in the last few months

someone make CI for irish and scottish gaelic please

>not using one of your TLs to learn another one
You dabblers should take notes

>>216317567
my understanding is that having a high fluency in either korean or japanese makes the other one profoundly easier to learn, I hope that's true

Bump

>current year of our lord and savior
>still no furigana tool worth a shit
this is fucking bullshit

gute Nacht, es ist zu spät, ich muss wirklich meine Gewöhnung verändern.

buenos noches

怎么没有什么翻译挑战了?

>>216319793
那你可以发住一个

>>216320554
你做吧,还是别人做也好。我太累了,就要睡觉了~

anyone got a summary?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349337601_Picking_up_a_second_language_from_television_an_autoethnographic_L2_simulation_of_L1_French_learning

Idk how you guys can stomach learning western euro languages. All media except maybe old literature is completely faggotized and made for women or homos. German shows for example are horrid beyond comprehension and the news just praises Jewish values all day. So sorry for you.

>>216317567
I had to learn Thai in order to learn Shan because there's virtually no learning materials in English. Khmer has been so much easier

>>216320845
>All media except maybe old literature is completely faggotized and made for women or homos.

Thankfully Spanish has a lot of Chud-friendly media.

>>216320845
I learn korean which is famous for its manly male-targeted media

>>216320854
>Chud-friendly media
kekw

>>216320758
ngl this is really demotivating, his french level is not insanely good for the amount of time

>>216320962
I did the massive input ajatt (just turn the tv on and leave it on) thing and didn't find it to be very useful either. Input needs to be comprehensible in some way or another (whether graded/learner material or comprehensible via looking up words). Spam native input is not helpful unless you're already at a high level. It's a very inefficient use of time. If what you're hearing is not being understood you're not making progress at any meaningful pace.

>>216321041
he was watching kid shows as well + french way easier than japanese

>>216320845
Now that you mention it, in my previous TL, young men spoke more femininely than older men. In the media, on the internet, in movies. But maybe it just seemed that way to me because of stereotypes and luck.

>>216321055
i find actual made-for-learner CI material to be about a million times more time-efficient and enjoyable than kids cartoons. I'd much rather watch some dude play minecraft while narrating what he's doing than watch peppa pig

>>216321180
where are u finding CI like that?

>>216321180
yeah. I tried pegga pig and bob the builder type stuff. it was a no go. found some podcasts oriented towards adult learners with interesting material instead.

i try to avoid CI and stick to normal input because i look up every fucking word that I don't know. THATS JARRING.

>>216321204
there's a shit ton of gaming CI for korean and japanese, idk about other languages

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPA2NZ_ucqBnc6XHi-lozp95aBan0dUTl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4OpJSELDZg&t

https://www.youtube.com/@ComprehensibleInputKorean

you ever do that vr chat? does that work for speaking practice?

>>216320758
He tries to learn french with input only. Because it's 2016 he doesn't use CI but shows for natives from the start. After 1300 hours of input plus a single week of output and reading training he can almost pass the B1 exam.
After a few more months of training, not limited to input only, he passes B2.
I think this is still a big win for input-only methods, if it hadn't been for wasting a ton of hours on incomprehensible input and the difficult orthography of french he could have passed B2.

I have made a decision to take a permanent break from Japanese by deleting my anki deck.
Maybe I might pick up Japanese again once I've reached my goals with my other languages, maybe I might study German, Russian, Ancient Greek or Classical Chinese instead

>>216321823
You have to commit

>>216321487
comprehensible input korean is themost boring mf i e ever SEEN. tried watching his stuff many times and could never do it

>>216321823
i am possessed by grim compulsion to learn both japanese and korean to fluency no matter how hard it is and no matter how much time of my life it takes up

>>216323917
you might like 'comprehensible korean', which is the exact same thing as comprehensible input korean but a different guy

Bump

>>216324574
BUMP

>>216307059
honestly thomas mann is not that exquisite of a read, the main difficulty comes from the intentionally obscure latinate words nobody uses. he makes his bourgeois upbringing very obvious and incorporates it into his speech. i read a couple books of his and though i don’t like him a lot (as a writer, i think as a person, from what i can tell, he was quite extraordinary and steadfast in his beliefs), i don’t think they’re that incredibly difficult.

Korean is the world's most useless language and unlike Japanese and Chinese it is widely accepted that any white male (or female for that matter) Korean learner is a yellow fever fetishiser

>>216325886
True. The only good reason to learn it is for the DPRK. Only gooners and goonettes care about the south.

>>216326189
I though we were embracing gooning?

>>216319793
>翻译挑战
These days you can just tell a chatbot to make one for you and then ask it to grade you. The age of /lang/ challenges is over.

>>216326739
Sycophantic AI will never point out your mistakes, it will only give you a gold star
Obviously a lot of people do want to hear that instead

>>216315156
I still have hearts if I open it on my windows laptop. If I open on my phone it's now energy.

>>216327512
The web version will catch up soon

>>216327512
Mine still has hearts

I propose a pogrom to expel all Duolingo users from /Lang/. The alg gooners and ankichads shall unite to drive these dabblers from our sacred thread.

>>216326652
Gooning is not gonna get you bitches, and getting bitches is the main reason to learn a language.
You can learn through gooning though, so it has its place here.

>>216327882
Don't update the app and you might get to keep them for longer

>>216328061
You can't beat me

>>216328240
>Streak freeze streak freeze streak freeze
>I'm lernding

>>216328251
Are you done having your tantrum?

>>216328324
>Shows the only month none were used
Okay buddy

>>216328369
I'm done with you.

>>216328463
15xp / day ass keep my streak alive ass nigga lol

>>216328695
You know it's true, that's why you have resulted to wojak posting lol. Get a load of this fucking loser

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>>216328561
>>216328695
It doesn't matter anyway. Duolingo doesn't have material that's useful beyond the first 30~40 hours of studying a language.
Either you are doing 2 minutes per day or wasting your time doing pointless exercises or dabbling in 20 languages.
Either way it's a waste of time.

>>216329981
>Either way it's a waste of time.
Based

>>216325886
i learn korean for kdramas since westoids can't make nice tv series anymore

>>216329998
Severance is pretty good, but it does have gay shit.
I am pretty sure Koreans make gay shit as well though, so like?

>>216330023
westoid series are becoming 4 h long. fucking tiktok. if i wanted to watch a movie, i'd watch a movie.
there's so much happening in korean series story-wise, meanwhile for westoids the only way to catch attention is making some explosions and shit, barely anything happens.
watch Mouse (2021), for example.

>>216328165
>and getting bitches is the main reason to learn a language.
NGMI

>>216330411
Humans only do anything for pussy. Its how we got this far as a species brother.
Anything you tell yourself if your main reason for learning is cope. You are learning to slay poon.

>>216330503
Do you really believe autists learn Latin and ancient Greek because they think it will get them pussy?

>>216331049
Classics obsessed art hoe pussy is divine
Especially if they wear a beret

>>216331049
Yes. They learn it to seem more sophisticated. Its an aesthetic.
Learning classics opens up a certain type of woman (art hoe/book worm)

>>216331922
>>216332041
If you want to attract an art hoe wouldn't you get more bang for your buck if you learned French? Seems like the better investment to get laid

>>216332350
No, because that is oversaturated and cliche. The classics niche is where its at. The best art hoes are the classics lovers.
French enjoyer art hoes are basic bitches.

>>216332414
When the typical art hoe says they like the "classics" what they usually mean is early modern French literature. Most of them are not reading the Romans or anything about the Catholic church.

hej

>>216332614
Typical art hoes are basic bitches brother. The true art hoes know whats up. Its a spectrum, of which is full of a lot of fake bitches chasing aesthetics.
None of the French classics bitches are worth anything. Carbon copies of each other.
The latin and greek art hoes are where its at. They are the authentic medication munchers. Its not an aesthetic for them, but a lifestyle.

>>216332350
not missing yourself is a fetish?

how hard is nepali to learn?

>>216333133
Probably the same as Indian languages.
From what I have seen, the younger Nepalese seem to be pretty good at English.
They score higher than India on this wikipedia page anyway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index

>>216333221
how hard are indian languages to learn?

>>216333345
I'm pretty sure they have problems with genetic disabilities from incest and general low IQ, so if they can learn it anyone can.

>>216333452
Indian jannies are gonna ban me now lol

fluent in mandarin in 3 years and i am repulsed by the idea of having sex and or a relationship with any chinese person.
with that said though i dont enjoy the language anymore

>>216333910
Perhaps the two attitudes are connected.

>>216333910
>i am repulsed by the idea of having sex and or a relationship with any chinese person
Why?

>my third Duolingo quest is to "Read the next story on your path"
>they literally just removed all stories

>>216334172
Probably their famous AI first approach to learning :)

>>216330268
>>216330023
Hong Kong cinema, Korean criminals, Japanese horrors. Asians know how to make films. Severance is good, and I predict a great comeback for Western cinema, but Asia has had good cinema for a long time (the plot known from the film the Snatch or Tarantino's films was known much earlier in Hong Kong; one crime film was copied by Americans almost 1:1 from the Korean original).
>>216331049
They channel their sexual drive to something else. That's why every culture that has achieved something has frowned upon masturbation and many social regulations and taboos have arisen around sexual activity
>>216332414
Actually there is not so many men knowing French. Or at least at Uni

>>216335601
>one crime film was copied by Americans almost 1:1 from the Korean original
The Departed or Oldboy?

>>216335639
I was thinking about Departed

>>216335639
>Oldboy
The US Oldboy fucked up the hallway scene lol.

Is there a way/alternative to use language reactor with mpv or vlc?

>>216337934
Why? You can play local files in LR if that's what you need.
https://www.languagereactor.com/video-file

>>216295801
It really do be like dat doe

>>216296805
>0 citations
>junior college
>junior high school

>>216340960
I think it's just the teacher that ran the experiment.

Ha, eat a bag of dicks you plebes!

How do you know your speaking level? Do you need a tutor to tell you or take a test?

>>216342363
Can you understand at an A2 level yet?

I spent 30 minutes reading a German dictionary last night but I don't really think German is worth learning

>>216338019
Thank you this was exactly what i was looking for

>>216330268
everything form of media except fantasy/sci-fi is and always has been superior in east asia than to the west

Lately I've been trying different languages, and if I failed quickly, I throw them away from the list
I tried Chinese and Portuguese recently. But no. Gonna try other ones, I go back to the ones I originally liked and considered learning
1. French or German?
2. Is it worth learning Japanese late in life? Or it's over and should I grow up?
3. Dutch or Swedish/Norwegian?
4. Spanish or Italian?
For people, vacation, content, to impress people, for hidden gems, to be consistent in something
Method: Anki (but something like 5 to 10 words per day), Pimsleur, YouTube content, later maybe books and looking for information when I don't know something, some grammar

>>216332414
>>216330503
I spent a huge chunk of my youth, years, sitting alone in my room working 12+ hours a day working on a fantasy RPG and making 3D models to sell for years on end never talking to anyone including girls whilst also doing nofap. please explain how I was doing this with the covert motive of getting sex


I do learn languages in large part with the hope of finding a woman though
(not for sex but rather for finding true love and my soulmate in a foreign land)

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i s2g after spending 1000+ hours raw dogging shit with no lookups my ability to watch shows attentively in any language without understanding is as capable as a young child. it legitimately feels like a superpower considering how other people react when they see and hear what im watching without subs.

>>216344450
what lang? did you use subs?

>>216343290
give in to your urge to learn japanese, you know you want to

Should I learn korean to slay 100 korean pussies in a year?

I hate their vagina hair tho, do they shave that off for tall aryan gods?

>>216344629
raw dogging means NO SUBS
i do it on a bunch of languages and always enjoy myself.
been focusing on japanese for the last week plus and i feel like im making a ton of gains.
today i had multiple occasions where a simple idea was thought in japanese instead of english

>>216344863
are you just watching whatever you want? or easier animes

>>216344894
mostly dramas and gaki no tsukai adjacent stuff. sometimes i watch atashinchi if i want something really easy. watched ponyo the other day and it was perfectly fine, and was actually telling my mom what was going on specifically while she watched along.

>>216344450
Do you re-watch content multiple times? How much are you paying attention and to what exactly, just the vibe of what's happening? How do you know you're making progress?

>>216345020
i legit just vibe out. realized a while ago that trying to understand things is exhausting and its more enjoyable to mostly turn your brain off and let your subconscious do all the work. yk being present and shit. ik im making progress because when i start articulating or thinking about what a lot of stuff means its very clear.
for example i can put on a kdrama (my korean is cheeks) and just by making assumptions/guesses about what theyre saying (not entirely conscious/deliberately) i can follow the story and even catch certain foreshadowing or whatever. there is a lot to take away from entertainment besides the literal words theyre saying.

>>216345148
how much progress would you lose if you just watched whatever you wanted?

>>216345253
nigga who the fuck knows LOL. that's literally what im doing already.
id rather be entertained and sustain my immersion than force myself to watch things i find uninteresting and end up being unmotivated to continue slogging through shit.
live in the moment, trust your instincts. have fun.

>>216345322
in the past the more i tried to control my progress the more my ego got in the way even turning into neuroticism at times. letting go of that optimization mindset scheming bull shit has done wonders for me.
3 factors are important: time, interest, and community

>>216345148
how much of this do you think is language acquisition vs (and I hate to use this term because of how it gets abused lately) media literacy? i.e. if you're familiar with an artform or medium and its tendencies you could probably follow a lot of story beats even if they were speaking charlie-brown-adult trombone sounds

छोटा is a masculine comparativr adjective

>>216345415
I wish I was still a teenager and had time to just sit around and watch stuff until I figured it out

they're working on the cellular reprogramming/stem cell rejuvenation stuff, maybe that'll give me another 20 years of youth and I can spend a year just sitting and watching japanese dramas with no subtitles

>>216345322
I've seen over and over that people that just engage in something they're really interested in will progress super fast. Content not interesting/not relevant = brain's subconscious language acquisition mechanisms don't get activated

>>216345632
yea but learning japanese with no subs and pure immersion is pretty nuts

>>216345555
He's nonbinary respect her pronouns

>>216345490
it definitely could be a bit of both. but i think the biggest factor is paying non objectified attention and figuring out how to enjoy just that.
desu i think mfs try to break shit down too much, or act like theyre authorities on shit. HOW TO LEARN A LANGUAGE THE RIGHT WAY type shit. SCIENTIFICALLY type shit. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME type shit. its all navel gazing to me. and really annoying cus most people who ask me about how i have high proficiency in a variety if languages have these almost prejudices about what language learning is/looks like. even if theyre not a monolingual, they did a 5k deck and can read some books, whatever. i just let any semblance of control go and people cant understand it at all.
>>216345561
i mean im 26 which you could still consider young. but this just sounds like cope/excuses.
good things are considered good because they exist despite all the challenges/hardships which prevent their existence. achieving greatness requires risk, trying something you dont know whether is actually possible or not.
id say you should take a leap of faith in whatever language you want. if you commit long term i doubt youll regret it.

>>216345844
no time to pick up any new languages besides my current ones, gotta make a lot of money and fall in love and get married before I age out of the youth marriage market, don't want to be dating divorcees

decades from now when im old I'll pull a steve kaufmann and learn every language

>>216345917
respect to the old man

>>216345710
>Japanese subs
what good do Japanese subs do to your listening and speaking and learning unknown words if I can't even read new kanjis, yeah, 東北地方太平洋沖地震, yeah
you'll brute force via total anal immersion much faster as the language is so melodic and syllabic and easy to listen to

>>216346279
>the language is so melodic and syllabic and easy to listen to

this, spoken japanese is so much easier and clearer than spoken korean its insane

>geen vrienden te ikooken en hitlerdooden met
ik heb een serieus probleem

>>216345844
>i mean im 26 which you could still consider young

that's still young but it's around the time that if you don't have a good job/career/girlfriend/etc you need to get on it and make it happen now. If you're already happy with what you have then you have plenty of time to do whatever

>>216320854
>Thankfully Spanish has a lot of Chud-friendly media.
Reccs?

I need to start reading but I can't make myself read harry potter
I'm gonna brute force a history book or something

Does anyone know what the best AI transcript generator is now?

i want to input with my asian cuties

>>216346809
You don't need one, just use your ears

>>216346809
I dont know anything better than whisper, if you find one though let me know pls. It's still my best language learning tool.

>>216346848
whisper works fine sometimes then other times does shit like this

>>216347428
they laughed a bunch maybe

I'm reading Harry Potter

>>216347428
How is it learning Korean? Is it a pretty fun language to learn?

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

Do you read religious texts in your TL?

>>216346778
apparently reading fucks up your pronunciation anyways

i should learn french or german? i see myself out of my country in the next five years -i hope so- and i want to learn a language that could help me in my life cuz i dont wanna be a garbage with legs

>>216349097
Spend some time with both and figure out which one you like better.

>>216349097
Why leave argentina seems based

>>216349097
Can I have your room?

>>216348766
I have the Bible app with text plus audio in Spanish. It's fun to follow along

Everyone says read harry potter in your TL. I never read them in english so should I even bother? If not whats some good starter reading material?

>>216349524
Comics.

>>216349553
Can you be more specific? Trying to learn spanish

I'm making my own conlang.

inb4
>learn a real language!

I speak three languages and now I want to have fun.

>>216349524
If you haven't read Harry Potter in English you are probably illiterate, in which case you should learn to read by reading Harry Potter in English.

what are the best reasons for learning each. rank them from best to worst.
french
spanish
german
japanese
chinese
korean
russian

>>216350160
From Worst to Best. (1/2)
>French
No longer a country that supports it, if you in France you should learn Arabic
>German
While gives you access to a large population, Germany ranks high in global English proficiency. Most of the time you can just speak English to a German. Learning German would just be for the challenge/ if you want to live in Germany, but at any point you can switch to English and get by
>Russian
Get access to 145 million people who speak it. Also, most Russians dont speak English fluently / at all. So you cant cheat with just speaking English. Russian is a pretty cool sounding language and the women are the most beautiful white women in the world. But unless you got personal reasons, I cant think of too many entertainment nor job related reasons to know it. They do have a decent presence online in modeling and fashion world though.
>Spanish
Objectivity the 2nd most useful on this list to know. Get access to a crap ton people, and probably entertainment. But Im ranking it low because I have zero interest. Entertainment wise and communication wise, I rather get by with English around the Spanish. Job wise, probably best choice if you live in America.

(1/2)

>>216350160
>>216350547


(2/3)
Goddamn text limit.


>Chinese
Entertainment wise, China has mostly produced slop, but the future looks bright. 1.41 BILLION native speakers. They are bound to excel in film, video games, and other entertainment. But I rank it the lowest of the Asian languages because it’s theoretical. We havent seen that explosive entertainment value yet. But if you want to future proof yourself, this is the language to go with. If your goal is an Asian gf, this gets you access to the biggest pool by far. Also the smartest decision business wise, beats even Spanish.
>Korean
Get access to the best music industry, Kpop. All all the extra media that goes with it. Get access to high quality K-Dramas which is a whole new world of entertainment. However, South Korea is pretty tiny. Only 51 million native speakers. Business wise its decent, South Korea has Samsung, in some ways has Japan beat in business. But the country is small and rapidly decreasing (literally worst fertility rate on Earth right now, 0.75 babies per woman. Also if you dont care for Kpop and K-Drama, outta luck entertainment wise.

>>216350580
>>216350547
>>216350160
(3/3)
>Japan
Japan number one since it has the richest culture and history. While Korea has it beat music wise and probably film wise, Japan still has a respectable catalog that dates back way further than Korea (Korea’s history ends around the 80s since Japan tried to conquer them and erased a lot of history).

There is video games, manga, film, TV, endless niche interests, fantastic place to travel to, 2.5x size of Korea’s population, etc. there is bound to be some entertainment value you get from knowing Japanese. Japan is the good middle ground inbetween China and Korea. China is huge but not as good culture, Korea has some better culture but in smaller quantity. Japan you get the medium size country and endless culture to explore. But they are also dookie fertility wise. Will probably be fine for our lifetime but maybe not the best for future proofing. But for right now, there is plenty of reason to know it, and endless things to go back in time with Japan media wise.

>>216348296
i like the korean language, korean people, and korean content. I do not particularly like learning korean, it is too hard, even japanese feels easy by comparison

but I'm not stopping until I get to C1

>>216349524
If you liked the films then yeah, you will probably be excited to read about all the stuff that they cut from the films which often screws up the story dramatically

>>216350580
what langs do you know? trying to see your perspective on it. Would your rankings be the same if you took into account the difficulty of the langs? kinda like the best bang for your buck?

>>216350580
>Also if you dont care for Kpop and K-Drama, outta luck entertainment wise.
I unironically didn't even know those things existed until I was b1 at korean. korea has the world's best gaming community and some of the best classical/theater/ballad music and much better youtube content than western youtube.

Kpop is not even the most popular genre of korean music in korea, ballads are

bump

Yes you should just learn a language to consume another country's prolefeed
Don't read philosophy or history or - the horror - use your language in a job!

>>216348884
I think I've listened enough to know what the language should sound like

>>216352563
>philosophy
mostly bullshit
>history
lame depressing and also mostly bullshit
(was actually majoring in history and became disillusioned after I found out that the vast majority is very flimsy conjecture)
>get a job
no fuk u i watch anime

>>216352563
>not learning so you can read historical documents in their original lamguag
shiggy
>job
No thanks

>>216344634
But I'm old. I'll be even older when I master this language, if I ever master it. I don't want to be like those hard coping millennials who discover themselves in their thirties
>>216346403
This. Later it gets harder and more pathetic with everything

is german a good language to learn for getting a white ldr e-gf?

>>216353288
i blew a good few years neeting when I was younger but I was extremely health obsessed + never went out in the sun so I barely aged visually. So everyone assumes I'm 6+ years younger than I am. So I just never tell anyone my real age and I managed to re-enter society this way without issue

>>216354193
Maybe not super healthy but I've been avoiding the sun too and genetically I've never had skin problems, like never ever. I thought I had time, but baldness struck unexpectedly. A year and from healthy high volume hair I got thin hair and between the Norwood 1 and 2
I believe that people age in leaps and bounds, not evenly.

>>216353374
I don't think so but things can happen

>>216354438
Hair loss is a solved problem why'd you let it happen?

>>216354438
get minoxidil and finasteride quick

>>216350160
I partially agree with the reasons of

>>216350547
>>216350580
>>216350601

But I would say from worst to best

>Korean
Popular media but it seems (at least to me) mostly limited to female-centric interests like pop music and fashion. Basically an inferior Japanese.

>German
Most Germans already speak English and didn't spread their language very far due to lack of colonies. Only reasons to learn are if you're a thirdie moving to Germany or if you like their history/literature. They are outpaced by other languages when it comes to media

>Russian
Unlocks Russia + some of eastern Europe and central Asia. One of most common languages on internet. I hear they have great novels and decent media.

>Chinese
Rising power who is starting to produce lots of media and useful for international business, but probably not that useful outside of Asia even when they reach their peak.

>French
Most international language besides English and also for traveling. Former lingua franca and probably the most useful language for if you get transported back to medieval or early modern Europe. Lots of media. Makes you seem more refined to normies and makes you a better English speaker

>Spanish
Safest choice. Unlocks most of LATAM. Lots of media. Easy for English speakers. Most useful in USA. Maybe some of LATAM will finally stop being a shithole.

>Japanese
SSS+ tier media. Lots of games, songs, anime, manga, etc. 3rd or 4th largest economy. Makes Chinese easier.

>>216346316
>spoken japanese
How did it even evolve to be so clear and so simple

>>216354675
Maybe Korean should be above Germany but its more of a time investment and Korea's future is more questionable. Both could be above Russian depending on your priorities.

>>216354675
zoomers only know about korea because of kpop. They've never heard of STARCRAFT. gtfo my lawn

>>216354675
https://youtu.be/Bty3cU04_9s?si=m2ejFyej_K_6lQPs&t=108

>>216344767
You want to risk another war?

>>216354873
マイヒーローですね。全世界の海外白人オタクのヒーロー、このジョン・ジョイス様

>>216354675
>>216350601
>>216350580
>>216350547
>>216350160
I have a similar question about Italian vs French vs Portuguese vs Spanish vs Romanian. And about German vs Dutch vs Swedish vs Norwegian

>>216356808
Dabble in them all

>>216356808
Romanian, Dutch, Swedish, and Norwegian are all useless languages unless you have a strong interest in those countries specifically. Those countries all have low populations and don't produce much media, plus most of them besides Romanian also know English.

Italian, Portuguese, German, and especially Spanish and French are all versatile languages with good coverage.

>>216356911
I'm tired of it. I've already rejected several languages
>>216356973
I do have strong interest in these languages, that's a problem. Or more like compulsive cyclical obsessions

>>216357122
>I've already rejected several languages
As a dabbler does

>>216349877
I've actually never read Harry Potter books in English. I've read them in my NL more than a decade ago and right now I'm doing it in Spanish.

>>216357122
Are you interested in them because you plan on living there or just because of media? If its for living there, German seems like the obviously best choice. If its the media, compare your interest in their media to their overall usefulness. Are you so interested in those minor languages that you don't mind the fact there is less media and they don't help as much with tourism? If you're gonna keep dabbling, you might as well focus on the big 3 (French, Spanish, or German) because they make dabbling with the other languages easier. If you need to learn the grammar and vocabulary of a romance/germanic language its better to do it with the most useful first.

>>216348766
i'm not religious whatsoever and have neither been baptised, but i like the bible even without faith and read it in multiple languages from time to time, so yes

>>216357367
Dutch, Norwegian and Swedish are also good languages for emigration. As for media, it's small things like the Norwegian dubbing of Hilda or Ongezellig and the meme-lity of the Dutch or ABBA. Small things. Plus, I have friends in Scandinavia, family in the Netherlands and Italy. And Germany doesn't have that much more media than the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Well, they do have more, but looking at the scale of this language, I was a bit disappointed. And Dutch sounds like I've always thought German should. I was learning German and I felt it was a waste of time because it would take ages before I could do anything professionally with it, and English is more helpful in the Netherlands and Scandinavia (imo Germans don't speak English much better than Poles). I'm still tempted by Japanese too

>>216321823
I fuckin knew it

>>216323948
This anon is going to make it.

>>216323948
頑張って!

I kind of decided
1. English,
2. Japanese,
3. French or Spanish or Italian
Any other only if I plan to emigrate there

>>216359659
>I kind of decided on 5 languages and maybe more

>>216359712
You gotta aim high

>>216359712
stop being an insufferable cunt that guy is clearly expressing uncertainty you god damn retard
and dont even think about making a semantic strawman ass argument

>>216360096
That's aiming wide not high

>>216360130
>semantic strawman argument
howd i know

>>216360153
Did I upset you? I wasn't even replying to you

MIKE HYPERPOLIGLOT

>>216360579
>hyperpolyglot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY023GhSO_Y

>>216360876
> I'm a game developer, actor and lover of languages. I speak English (native), Esperanto (C1), Mandarin Chinese (intermediate) and Toki Pona (beginner).
Yikes

>>216360876
Beta soyface vs GIGA CHAD STEEL JAW HYPERPOLYGLOT

>>216349524
Try graded readers if you're a beginner.
https://anonfile.co/FkIt8dqfbhkSps8/file

If you're intermediate and looking to get into native-level content, find some young adult genre slop or books with straightforward prose translated in Spanish. For me that was "Ten little niggers" by Agatha Christie, it had an interesting premise that kept me reading while having very accessible language. Also, self-help slop tends to be pretty accessible, stuff like "Atomic Habits" etc. Basically, just find a book in English that seems interesting to you and has relatively simple prose. If it feels like a slog to read in English, it's going to be even worse in Spanish.

>>216350160
Best reason
>you like the language
Ranking
>subjectively ranked by how much joy they spark

>>216353374
Sure, if you like vegan bitches with tattoos and piercings.

>>216358544
iykyk

>>216348766
I’m not a big fan of the Bible, but it’s stories and sayings are so memorable and better at recalling for language learning than many other texts, though.

>>216349208
german sounds hard as fuck. i love how it sounds but if i dont live in germany it wont work for anything i think
french help you to get bitches (im a virgin)

>>216349421
its not really. we live in a bucle and here i dont see future.

>>216349450
you can man but first you should learn the lunfardo!

>>216348766
I'm new to learning French as my side language when I'm tired of my main, and tried manually translating some of the French bible with the scriptorium method.

Can any other French learners who used the bible say what French translation they think is best? I tried the LSG version because I like how "blessed are the meek" is translated as "Heureux les débonnaires" instead of "Heureux les doux"

>>216361741
How would your main language feel if she found out about french?

>>216323948
I envy you and feel sorry for you at the same time

>>216348766
I tried bidirectional translation with the Bible. I started with the gospels. It went ok. I will never forget engendre now.

>>216361830
The Japanese love NTR so I'm sure its fine

>>216350160
It depends so much where you live or where you plan to live.
For western Europe, French and German are the most useful and best to learn. For the Americas, I would say Spanish is by far the best choice.
For a global nomad Spanish would probably be best, followed by French.
Russian for eastern Europe, some countries like Kazakhstan still use it, apparently.
If you're a basement dweller, weeb, or want to consume interesting content, then Japanese.

>>216361741
I used the Jerusalem Bible.

>>216363049
How modern did the language feel when you read it? My French isn't good enough yet to tell but I wanted to find the closest French equivalent to the KJV since I wanted whatever version is older and the most historically influential, but it seems the older French bibles weren't as good as KJV.

>>216293040 (OP)
where the fuck are the lang challenges?

>>216359659
I'm thinking about dropping Spanish because I live in Europe and there are more people who speak Italian and French
>>216361740
The hardest part of German is its vocabulary. Japanese vocabulary is almost as difficult to learn. Dutch seems like good smaller but easier alternative
Anyway, if I were to reject Spanish, which language would make the best first impression in Argentina: French or Italian?

>>216364816
This is an inpootpilled general. But also, you can just ask AI to give you some sentences with a certain theme, difficulty, etc. and give you feedback, so we've largely moved past challenges as a thing.

>>216364816
Kde kurva jsou ty /lang/ challenges
I don't know the word for challenges, probably because of >>216364947

>>216364875
>would make the best first impression in Argentina
British English

>>216364875
to get bitches? absolutely french. but if you want to be more assimilate with the culture, you should learn italian. even, without knowing anything of spanish, you wont have any problem living here if you understand italian. we use italian words for everything.

>>216363486
I don't know about how modern the language felt. I used the one published in 1998 so I guess fairly modern. Supposed to be updated language.
J'utilise la Bible de Jérusalem parce que je suis catholique

Esperanto is a classical language

>>216367853
classical gayteen

is german actually useless to learn? so many people here say dont learn it because they already speak english but from what ive seen its pretty popular, 2nd most popular language on wikipedia and all the german speaking countries are not bad, what gives?

>>216370188
If you like it learn it

Japanese, German, French, Italian now
>>216365747
Okay, so I'm dropping Spanish
>>216370188
>they already speak english
Their English is much closer to Poland or Italy than the Netherlands and Sweden

>>216370188
i only would learn it if i want to move to germany/austra. as you've said, german-speakers have a really good english level. also german sounds good as fuck lol. i've decided to learn french now and i will start to learn german when finally i have a good french level

French pronunciation scares me and makes me feel like a retard when I try to say something

>>216370820
The french sound retarded, you must be doing something right

>twitch thots
yawn
>twitch thots (my TL)
:O

>>216371191
Never understood people who get into streams but here I am watching the same girl 8 hours a day

>>216370689
is the media better for french or german?

why can't the halloween theme be a standard theme of 4chan? it's a nicer color scheme than any of the permanent ones

>>216371528
Too spooky

>>216371386
Better is subjective, but French has far more media as a colonial power and former lingua franca.

>>216371310
need jisoo to start a twitch channel

>>216371386
French literature is superior to German literature but I'm considering learning German for German literature
French film is also superior, The Lives of Others, Downfall and Das Boot are good though
I do not like Werner Herzog

We should all learn French

New thread:
>>216373626
>>216373626