Thread 216298737

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Are the swedes going to deliver iyc?

Im afraid it's gonna suck tbqh

>>216298784
If they screw this up it's the last time I bother pirating their games

>>216298737 (OP)
>Are the swedes going to deliver iyc?

sold my overpriced cs2 reds to pre-order
they better not disappoint

>>216298737 (OP)
lol people really play games like this

>swedes
it's spanish

paradox have been legit retarded and have a horrible track record lately, no way this will be any different

I've barely played EUIV honestly. I like Paradox games but I have to be in the mood.

>spanish
it's catalonian

>>216300479
Victoria 3 was shit wasn't it?

Has any Paradox game been good at release?

it's paradox lads
there's 0% chance this game has half the content of eu4, wait 2 years of patches and dlcs until is playable as usual

It does look like it had a lot more effort and thought put into it than ck3 and vic3. Still seems like it'll be released with many issues however, apparently the AI is terrible at conquering shit and in most games the Ottomans, Russia, the Uk and Spain never even form

I will buy when the game is finally complete, and the "complete bundle" with 30+ DLC's and 50 immersion packs are all neatly priced to ~$200.

See you guys in 10 years

>>216300527
It has the worst war system I've ever seen in a strategy game ever and ut's significantly dumbed down from Vic2. Every nation can play the same way.

>>216300623
>there's 0% chance this game has half the content of eu4
Well yeah, tha's obvious. Paradox's entire business model is built around DLCs, so I don't think anyone is expecting EU5 to have as much content on release as EU4 had after over a decade of development.

Videogames are already a waste of time, and trivially easy, unbalanced and buggy paradox trash is even more a waste of your time.

>>216300820
I played vanilla release EU4 out of curiosity, and it's like 10% of today's completed version.

I feel sorry for anyone wasting their time being paid beta testers for Paradox when they buy EU5 on release day.

>>216300946
>being paid beta testers
meant to say *paying beta testers

>>216300946
Post mission trees EU IV is garbage though

>>216298737 (OP)
why would you buy a paradox game day one

>>216301030
Mission trees were one the best additions made to game

>>216301062
Yes now you can follow your cute little railroads while you form the Roman Empire with free claims and modifiers. Epic!

>>216301095
I want some sort of in-game story building with cool unique events and modifiers. Mission trees are the only things that makes me play beyond the year 1600.

I'm not autsitic enough to enjoy pure sandboxes. Also I do not have the time to bother making up my own LARP.

>>216301095
You only follow them if you want to. You can just ignore them and do whatever if that's how you like to play.

>>216301200
>Mission trees are the only things that makes me play beyond the year 1600.
Yes! Now the late game is still garbage but now the early game is also railroaded. Epic!

>>216301095
>>216301229
>muh railroads
you don't have to follow them if you don't want to, what are you crying about

>>216301211
>Just ignore what absorbes 99% of the dev time and still warps the game around you
So true

>>216301229
Missions are fun, teach you history, and give you some buffs (dopamine hits). I like them.

>>216298737 (OP)
One would hope so

>>216298737 (OP)
Europa Universalis is just an obscure French boardgame.
How the fuck did Paradox fuck it so badly?

they are all money sinks and are never worth it frankly

>>216303143
but this time, you have POPS to manage, so that the game will be even more tedious

>>216303361
THREAD THEME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QAAOaYW2M

>>216303361
>inb4 steamfags come out with their rehearsed gayben propaganda

>>216303429
Is he wrong though?

>>216303367
If it's anything like Imperator Rome's pop system then that's a good thing. It's a better feature than using garbage mana points.

>>216303512
Mein negger, I have nearly 2TB of pirated and compressed vidya just on one of my external hard drives.

>>216301095
As opposed to fabricating claims on every little province or picking religious ideas every single game to avoid doing so?

>>216303636
You being the exception doesn't make him wrong. I mostly pirate games that are not worth buying.

>>216303718
I didn't say he was wrong though, did I?

>>216303805
True, I guess. What's the game you play the most (that's pirated)?
I mostly played CK3 until I had the feeling it was malicious and wasn't doing my PC any good. Now it's Empire Earth.

>>216303699
Just release vassals with cores hello?

The real move is to buy Paracuck games on cdkeys for cheap or on a sale and creamapi.dll the DLCs so you have access to Steam's workshop

>go on twitch
>every single streamer is playing swedish games
>repo
>peak
>it takes two
>battlefield 6
>the finals
>geoguessr
>helldivers 2
>little nightmares 1-2
>mouthwashing
>split fiction
>v rising
>valheim
>warhammer darktide
>a way out
>rv there yet
>raft
Etc. I guess we make the best streamer games.

>>216303867
Ever since 2012, all my games have been pirated and never bought. The only exception was Holdfast Nations at War but that piece of shit was unplayable in this shithole with high ping and both of my steam accounts got hacked by some assblasted ruskie subhuman. Fuck it, I'm never touching Steam ever again.
Right now, I'm playing DMC 5 with mods, making it extremely challenging by making the game spawn 30 niggers in every stage at max difficulty.
I'm planning to buy a nightly unlimited internet pack to download Genshin Impact since I've found out that cheat engine guys have found a few ways to bypass the anticheat.

>>216304007
>streamer
ruined video games, all streamers must fucking hang

>>216303981
There is a soft limit on the number of vassals.
There is a soft limit on vassal feeding.
Releasing vassals that are too big will just makes them disloyal.
Provinces lose cores over time. By 1700, you can easily end up in a situation where you eat a big chunk from a tag and no releaseables are available (or they're like 3 dev OPMs).

>>216298737 (OP)
>EU4 but with pops and no mana
I mean it's still going to release unfinished, but I'm hopeful, and I'll definitely play.

its really frustrating to not being able to play a game at release and wait a few months for it to be polished

>>216298737 (OP)
After Victoria 3? I don't think so

>>216298737 (OP)
CK3 was good
Vicky2 and Imperator were shit

>>216304895
>wait a few months for it to be polished
years, nigga

>>216300946
Yeah EU4 was pretty bad before Art of War DLC.

>>216305378
right, right

>>216305488
remember when every single province needed to be sieged?

>>216298737 (OP)
Never met a Swede who plays those games.
Weird. I guess it's for the foreign market only.

>>216304895
It's sadly the new norm thanks to retards, who rather want early access than a polished game. For dev studios it's pretty nice though, since they can save the money on beta testers.

>>216298737 (OP)
From what I seent it's gonna lack flavour, and I haven't seen much on the new imperator style missions they mentioned so don't expect anything there, but apart from that it looks good to me. All the foundational systems for a great game are there, so modders can fix it while we wait in updates

>>216304895
Eh, if you go into it with the mindset that it's just early access it's alright. I'd rather have an early, unfinished version now and have it be good in 5 years, than have to wait 5 more years to play it

>>216305568
It is the new norm, but not new for paradox
Vanilla Eu4 was similarly lacking in content and missions in 2013. Their model is the Sims model, launch a skeleton game and start pumping DLC. If the base mechanics are solid, EU5 should be a successful entry in a year or two

>>216305731
>I'd rather have an early, unfinished version now and have it be good in 5 years, than have to wait 5 more years to play it
I disagree. In retrospect, I felt like a sucker who wasted 1000+ hours into an unfinished game when I played EU4 early

I don't see the point of these games. Atleast I can roleplay and do fun stuff in Crusader Kings. Speaking of which, I should pirate the latest DLC so I can spread my swedish seed and make sure Japan's birthrate never declines.

>>216306038
You know how kings used to say they ruled by divine right? Well you are god, and you pick your chosen people from all the nations. and lead them to glory

>>216306350
Did you do a Jewish Ethiopia run in Eu4 before?

I did and it was extremely difficult

>>216298737 (OP)
it'll need like 3 years before it'll be playable just like all modern paradox games

although unique country ideas/mission trees/decisions would be enough to raise replayability

>>216300137
>didn't trade them for free knife

ngmi

>>216298737 (OP)
yes I will play as one of the SILESIAN tribes

>>216306480
I did a Jewish Flanders/Netherlands once. it was very difficult playing with zero allies for most of the game

>>216304100
You release 1 province vassals then reconquest CB and eat them. By 1700 you should've stacked enough efficiency+imperialism that you won't even need it

>>216306571
having zero allies due to different religion is absolute torture

>>216306525
>free knife
those are coming in 2 days lil bro

>>216306705
Until you eventually get powerful enough to the point they need you and not the opposite.
it's quite a realistic mechanic now that I think about it

My PC can barely run EU4.
Sorry but I'm not gonna upgrade my PC.

>>216306705
it just means you get a cb on everyone else if you go religious

>>216306038
>search patriotic music compilation of chosen country on youtube
>proceed to paint map
>fun

>>216306971
You can do that in Crusader Kings too though. So in what way does EUIV/EUV do something unique? I have friends who play it but it just looks like a more boring CK to me.

>>216307100
to me expanding and playing the map is way more fun in eu4 than ck2

>>216307100
CK has very limited avenues of expansion compared to EU

>>216307100
In CK you're playing your family and daughtersisterwife's pussy, in EU you're playing your country and fixing history

>>216306002
If you played (and presumably enjoyed your time) for 1000+ hours, was it really wasted?

>>216298737 (OP)
it'll be boring as shit just like all the previous games

>>216309110
Eh, I just don't want to do it again

>>216298737 (OP)
I hate swedes
I hate swedes
I hate swedes

>>216310674
umm based

My first campaign? Forming the USA, settling the Walmart HQ in Arkansas and building an RGO and a military food depot there, of course!

>>216300504
>barely
This can mean anything between 1 and 1000 hours.

>>216306817
same, except that i would upgrade if i had the money

i liked EU4 when I was 12-13, i replayed it recently tho and found it really simplistic, shallow and repetitive and relying a lot on RNG instead of deep structural mechanics
>inb4 play Victoria
Victoria is still like that, just with a lot more bullshit crammed in which is how Paradox makes the games "difficult"

fact is, World Conquest should be impossible, as should be creating Poland and conquering Europe in the 19th century world of Victoria games
buuut the games aren't meant to be realistic, they're map painting with extra steps for midwit autists

>>216311628
1. I generally tolerate RNG in grand strategy games because real life is RNG-dependent; in theory and on paper your nation should win that war, but random shit happens- just like in history.

Anyway I get that many players want to min/max and hate randomness. I'm more of a nation-building LARPer than a hardcore gamer.

2. I agree that EU4 at its core is a really boring game with more idle time than playing. In the last few DLC's I just found myself playing through the featured nations' new mission trees (they are pretty fun in my opinion) and then play another game once I'm done with them.

3. The biggest weakness of any Paradox strategy game is ultimately the lack of late game. Once you blob up you're unstoppable. I rarely play beyond year ~1650

>>216298737 (OP)
Lets just hope they keep it historical (they wont)

>>216311987
It's super hard to get it going but Paradox games are amazing if you can get like 2-3 other players. Honestly the more the better. I was thinking of making tournaments with different victory types: Diplomacy, Marshall, Stewardship, Intrigue, and Learning... or something like that, with each victory getting the winner $100 or something just because I want to play games with like 30+ players so bad. I'm still just thinking about it though.

>>216301200
>Mission trees are the only things that makes me play beyond the year 1600.
mission trees suck the life out of everything - if they made special events to provide context AFTER a country has managed to do something significant that would be okay, instead of saying "you are country X in 1444 and you must aim to do what country X did IRL, or reform Norse Byzantium for the lulz, but if you do anything else you get no bonuses"

>>216312129
I can respect something like HOI4 for being a great representation of WW2 as a multiplayer game, but it's no good as a single player game
the AI is simultaneously incompetent and hyper-focused - as a turtling Germany, Vichy France and Spain always manage to conquer allied (as opposed to neutral historically!?) Ireland away from England when I have no navy deployed, and they always ship massive numbers of troops from north africa along the Atlantic to west africa, even when it would make more sense IRL to reinforce Morocco and build a railway line to west Africa

>paradox game on release
Yeah no thanks. Maybe I'll finally pirate Victoria 3 or CK3 though.
Realistically I'm just gonna wait for Espiocracy to hopefully scratch that map game itch

taleworlds>paradox

>>216301200
God, why are Americans so dead set on ruining vidya?

>>216300946
I remember in the beginning, you could ally one powerful country and they would fight all your wars for you, asking for nothing in return

>>216312598
The AI is designed to let armchair generals easily beat them, yes. That is why multiplayer is fun.

>>216303699
as opposed to haying interesting in-game dynamics, like the catholic-protestant war, or HRE unification

>>216313334
>Espiocracy
t's going to be kino if it actually delivers on the promises

>>216298737 (OP)
how do i get eu5 the cheapest way?

>>216314071
torrent

>>216314030
Yeah, I'm still skeptical but also cautiously optimistic.
I always thought a Cold War grand strategy game would be boring as hell, because there's so little map painting unless you go full alt history like TNO. But this angle sounds really fun
>>216314071
https://gg.deals/ also >>216314139

>>216314184
Map painting is cancer used to hide the lack of interesting mechanics

>>216313435
Taleworlds business model:

Make incomplete, featureless games and let the modders finish the job for them for free. Also make dumb updates once in a while so modders have to start over.

>>216314184
same price as it is on steam (£49.99)

>>216313334
>>216314030
pitch me Espiocracy

>>216314539
Keep in mind it's still in development with no release date, it says 2025 on Steam, but about a year ago it said 2024 so I'm not getting my hopes up.
I'm not following development too closely because I don't want to fall into a hype trap for something without a release date, but it's essentially a Cold War Grand Strategy game where you take control of a nation's intelligence agency. The starting point is 1946 and they said they want to try to make it go until 2020 but at least until 1990. It's gonna feature shit like the space race and nuclear arms race and whatever else intelligence agencies used to get up to like counter terrorism or inciting coups.
If you want more details on any of the topics they have a huge amount of dev diaries on their steam page that go into a lot of detail regarding their vision.

>>216314855
what's the main gameplay loop like?
Is it an agent focused game like terra invicta, or more similar to the paradox map painters?

>>216315018
Not sure, you'd have to go digging in the dev diaries a little.
From what I understand you do have agents and assets that you manage but I'm not sure if they are as central as they are in terra invicta for instance.

>>216298737 (OP)
It'll be half as good as EU4, but in 5 years with a dozen expansions it'll end up being better than 4.
It's how the meatball jews operate.

>>216315099
It's a good concept honestly. Most cold war simulators are trash because they don't really know how to handle brinkmanship or nuclear war. Focusing on intelligence agencies really frees one up from that problem.

I am looking something similiar to victoria 2. A real simulation/sandbox, rather than a "game".
Is there something like that on the market?

>>216314285
Well yeah, the game hasn't even been released yet. Of couse therea ren't any sales.