Thread 216338317

Did they intentionally make their language ridiculously difficult and complicated to filter filthy gaijin?

'tisn't. It originated on the other side of the planet, of course it woud be very diffrent.

>>216338317 (OP)
no, but it does have that effect and it's incredibly based
inshallah Takaichi-daitouryou will ban immigration for timmies if they aren't at least JLPT N1

>>216338317 (OP)
They did it to filter filthy nihonjin, actually.

it's actually because of china, they may hate china now but that wasn't always the case

>>216338317 (OP)
Thats all languages except english

>>216338317 (OP)
Is their language difficult? They subtitle their own language with furigana and as a spoken language it's far more simple than English, it's about as complicated as a SEA language. The only thing that stands out is kanji and not even Japanese can read those consistently (hence the furigana).

>>216339055
it is difficult if you wish to master it, anyone can pick up some japanese from anime
the difficulty comes from different readings of kanji and how they are transcribed into hiragana

>>216338317 (OP)
Won’t work for IIT graduates. Best universities in the world. Very competitive entrance exam.

>>216339055
Furigana is for children. Adults don't need them. You will only furigana in manga and books intended for children.

>>216339378
The language they use in books for 'adults' is almost entirely different from their speech. You can see furigana on adverts and books everywhere.

>>216339766
Shut the fuck up mutt. You don't know anything about japanese. I have a n1 certificate and read dozens of japanese books. I know what I'm talking about here. You sound like a clueless dumb nigger. Don't try to lecture me

>>216340092
I really don't care, explain why it's used so often rather than complaining. Credentials are useless if you can't resolve simple observations.

>>216340092
Shut the fuck up.

>>216340092
I kneel.

>>216340092
i kneel

>>216340092
Based retard, you're also omitting the fact that they also put furigana in the JLPT tests. The only ones that do not have furigana during the tests are the ones on the joyo list,

>>216340092
what are your work points in general?
mine are grammar and listening
ive heard turkey grammar is similar to japanese

>>216340364
>explain why it's used so often rather than complaining
It's not used often. You almost never see it in text intended for young adults and older. When you see it, it's for very obscure kanji, doing word plays or giving extra information about that word.
See pic related. It says magic that kills demons and in the furigana it says something like zorutoraaku or some shit like that. It's not there to show the reading of the word. Just provides extra information and in this case in-universe name of the magic she's about to use

>watch some japanese whore vtubers
>they can't fucking read whole parts of it
>they're NATIVES

Say what you will but I strongly suggest switching to an alphabet. This is plain retarded in this day and age. Even if I don't know a word in the languages I know, I can like physically read it with my eyes and look it up. Not go "huh, it says *incomprehensible esoteric moon hieroglyphics*.

>>216341465
>vtubers
>supposing they got farther than high school

>>216341465
>>watch some japanese whore vtubers
>>they can't fucking read whole parts of it
>>they're NATIVES

Kek, stop being a lying piece of shit.

>>216341465
Ye can look up Chinese characters too. I do that all the time.

>>216341506
They literally can't read nigga. Seriously. You can see them struggle. That's like, basic peasant primary shit, not advanced science. I don't blame them, I wouldn't be able to memorize 1000 symbols of pure abstract bullshit either.

>>216341465
oh yes let's change a language which has kami, kami and kami to an alphabet! what can go wrong?

>>216340092
Dumb turkroach

>>216341215
The book is Kyoukai no Kanata, there's no way light novels are intended for children. Unless you mean that the books without it are meant for people past college only. That's insane to me, they made you read things like Death of a Salesman or Shakespeare in middle school, there's no way they expect you to read only manga until you're an adult.

>>216338317 (OP)
It's not that hard. The most difficult part about japanese is practicing it, which is really hard to do unless you like live there.

>>216339378
That's not true at all. Nobody is actually literate in kanji, not fully, they just cope all day every day.
Japanese needs serious script reform. Not for foreigners, but for themselves. Imagine if basic English words needed to have pronunciation guides, because none of the 'native' speakers could keep track of everything?

>>216341766
anon... english doesnt have a standard pronunciation either...

Why are you guys pretending to be retarded? Just for the sake of arguing? Trolling? Is it that fun?

>>216341747
I am a second language speaker and these pages are super easy for me. A native adult japanese will read these pages in a minute without looking at any of the furigana. All of these kanji are extremely common and easy to read

>>216338573
>hate china
>still use their garbage script coping it's ackshually for "spacing" as if you couldn't just write fucking spaces like the rest of the world does

>>216341747
>>216341904
i second the turkish, those are N3 level kanjis, maybe a N2-N1 here and there

>>216341904
Great now you see my problem. Why include them at all if these are supposedly for teenagers? Maybe there's something weird going on with Mishima that makes him specifically difficult for adults to read, but basic kanji should require them in books intended for teenagers.

>>216341904
>>216341970
Adding to this that the only acceptable furigana in those pages is the name in the first sentence since names sometimes have weird readings.

>>216342080
instead of complaining why kanjis exist, you should be studying
>>216342106
yep, pretty much the only name i can read is suzuki lol

Here is a random page from a light novel I'm currently reading. There is only furigana in the entire page and it's for a rare word that is usually written in kana only so they put a furigana there
I know the screen is dirty

>>216338317 (OP)
Not really. They stole it from the Chinese.

>>216342135
I'm not complaining I'm asking why it would be so frequent in a book intended for teenagers when Japanese spend like 9 years learning their language in school. Getting into the habit of not understanding anything and pushing through it with studying seems like an awful way to learn a language.

>>216342377
you can do it anon! soon enough you'll realize the kanjis is not the most difficult part of japanese

>>216338317 (OP)
I don't think it's difficult, I find it easy to learn.

>>216342080
I just downloaded a mishima book and it's quite readable. More advanced than the one you posted but still an adult japanese can pick it up and read with no problems
Don't believe every random shit you see on twitter.

>>216342441
It is kanji because the grammar is baby level and they lack vocab, which is why there's so many homophones.

>>216342579
speak of the devil, i hate grammar so much

>>216342573
When was it printed? If it's after the 1950s it may as well be an entirely different book. Mishima did not write like that he used kanji excessively.

>>216342573
where do you download the ebooks?
also
does anyone in the thread knows where can i download saya no uta in japanese?

>>216341693
if it works in spoken language it works in written language

there is no need for to, too, two or there their they're

>>216342643
>he used kanji excessively.
Kanji is not used like that. You don't know how japanese works.
>>216342765
z-libary for books
nyaa.si for visual novels and anime. sukebei.nyaa.si if it has sex in it
dlraw.to for manga

>>216340092
i kneel

>>216340092
turk-sama, I bow

>>216343093
https://archive.org/details/isbn_9784101050225/page/7/mode/2up
These are publications from Mishima done in the 1970s. It's readable with some furigana (even the text has it), but this was long after the language reforms. Picrel is the original Confessions of a Mask in 1951.

>>216340092
turkmuttroach seethe activated

Learning Japanese is a foid thing these days

>>216338317 (OP)
>Did they intentionally make their language ridiculously difficult
No. Try reading texts from before simplification. Even kana used to have more characters. You reminded me, gotta go to a museum some day. It has been years
>To filter filthy gaijin
Yes, unintentionally. Consider it an added bonus.

>>216338317 (OP)
You make it sound as if it were a bad thing, OP. Imagine if Japan were filled with foreign shitskins brainrotten by hentai.

It's not that complicated. The grammar is very regular and easy to learn, there aren't any ridiculous consonant clusters and if they give you furigana it's trivial to know how to sound out what you're reading. You'll have to cram vocab, but that's true of every language. Having to learn the kanji along with the words themselves isn't that much more work, especially once you start noticing patterns in how they're read and what they mean. Pitch accent is also easy as shit if you're not literally tone deaf to the point of being unable to distinguish relative pitch intervals (usually 2 semitones)

I just quit Japanese
I recently bought $1.5k worth of used La Pléiades and so I want to focus on improving my French and I may pick up German
I deleted my anki deck and I'm going to try my best to avoid looking at Japanese text in case I get tempted

>>216345707
Kann man so machen uezs

>>216341966
Nobody technically needs Chinese characters. Chinese doesn't even need Chinese characters after Pinyin and Zhuyin were made for it.
However the etymology of the words still remains, the characters don't disappear, and they can still be used without issue

>>216338317 (OP)
aren't they the only country where calligraphy is still respected as an art form just because they have like 50k kanji?

for a slav king like me it think japan language is pretty easy to learn. for u? maybe skill issue
so far away but we think the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgCnPsP1Bc

>>216340092
I kneel

>>216341766
>Imagine if basic English words needed to have pronunciation guides, because none of the 'native' speakers could keep track of everything?
Anon, I...

>>216338411
The writing system is needlessly complicated though. Korean has most of the same linguistic traits that would make it difficult for a foreigner to learn, but a much easier writing system.

>>216338317 (OP)
Nah, any korean who has watched more than 100 anime can speak japanese fluently

>>216338597
Not true, Malay/Indonesian is a lot simpler than English.

>>216341693
Japanese Braille is phonetic and they manage. (Braille kanji is technically a thing but it's rarely used.) Also, people, you know, have oral conversations, listen to radio and audiobooks etc.

>>216346197
Arabic alphabet calligraphy is a pretty big deal, I think.

>>216346545
English is not nearly as bad as Japanese in that regard.

>>216338317 (OP)
Americans are just dumb in general and see every other language as difficult
>>216340092
holy BASED son of constantinople

>>216339766
>ruby
Huh? Furigana is called ruby now...?

>>216347840
Ruby is the text size, it also refers to things like zhuyin phonetic annotations in Chinese.

>>216341623
most vtubers were born around from the year 2000 and onward
that also explains the decrease in eng proficiency they have

>>216338317 (OP)
??
that's not german

>>216340092
Based roach.

Speaking (casual) Japanese is actually not that hard they basically ignore 90% of their grammar while doing it

>>216342765
use https://en.z-library.sk/ there are many indian copycats that want to scam you

It doesn't seem that difficult except for the written part

>>216348468
Really? They have caveman grammar to begin with. If they ignore 90% of that it's basically grunting.

>>216348468
>Speaking (casual) Japanese is actually not that hard
Post an audio of (you) speaking Japanese

it's not really difficult, just alien

>>216338479

Is it? It took me 5 years of intense studying to realize J content is pretty dumb. So here I am, stuck with a language I'm no longer excited about.

Not knowing the Chinese characters and no access to Chinese classics means you are uncultured barbarians deal with it

>>216349352

In civilized Europe nobody reads China classics because everybody silently acknowledges that they have zero value :)