Thread 216505936

The EU is heavily investing in high speed rail. Which high speed train connections do you want in your country?

>>216505936 (OP)
literally no one is gonna take the train from rome to paris or berlin instead of a cheap plane. Get real

>>216505936 (OP)
afaik there will be no Berlin-Warsaw hi-speed line because the German govt is not interested in building their short section from Berlin to the border, even though Poland offered that it would build the rest, but without the German part the whole project doesn't make sense

well, at least we will have a hi-speed railway to Tallin and Prague

>>216505936 (OP)
Finally I can take the train from Rome to Paris.

>>216505936 (OP)
high speed rail is cool, I only wish they had went through the 2nd largest city instead of the western coast

>>216506219
Parnu>Tartu

>>216506242
yeah but Lithuanians built a stretch to Wilno according to the plan

>>216505936 (OP)
This is amazing. Asia has developed tremendously by building high speed rail and connecting people.
Our future is human-friendly, not car-exclusive.

>no connection between Austria and Germany
>completely ignores Switzerland that has a better rail network than the entire EU combines
worst map I've ever seen

>>216505936 (OP)
my country is shutting down rail for good, no high speed or any improvement for existing rail networks. rail is communism or something how the burger is made

>>216506121
Germans sabotaging Europe as usual

>>216506344
There is a connection from berlin to austria, 4:30 hr. Look again

>>216506284
it's their capital city and it's 6x bigger than Tartu

>>216506383
fair point, should have written southern Germany, to which we are a direct neighbor.
Or Vienna-Paris, if you want to do le capital to capital.

>>216505936 (OP)
>high speed rail
They keep procrastinating where I live.

>>216506417
Tartu university created our state (our flag is a uni student flag). And we will build a tunnel into helsinki and stockholm.

>>216506032
I would love to try high speed rail but yeah exactly, a plane will just be faster and cheaper
>>216506348
america is suffering

>>216506121
The previous Germany to Poland trains had terrible passenger reviews

>>216506032
if you can sleep overnight and it's very cheap, i'd do it. 10 hours you can just nap instead of having to be constantly alert at the airport.

>>216506566
>Tartu university created our state (our flag is a uni student flag)
cool but actually it would be better for Estonia if all Estonians moved to Tallinn, in the current big-city dominated economy it just makes more sense to have one large city where human capital can be used more efficiently. And Estonia only has enough people for one big city.

>>216506662
Countries that have their entire economy located in a single city don't do well. Just look at how bad the UK is doing outside of London. Wealth and work needs to be abundant everywhere

>>216505936 (OP)
Epic, can't wait for these projects to be completed in 2045!!

>>216506716
>Just look at how bad the UK is doing outside of London
dude, Estonia is a "natural" city state, it's so small so it simply doesn't need to have any "outside of the capital" at all (or it can all be just farms). It's incomparable to UK.

>>216506600
Ive done it, its a very shabby train. Its basically a regional train

>>216506633
Add to this that you don't have insane security checks, you can show up 5 minutes before the train leaves, and it takes you into city centres instead of some distant field you need to take a bus/taxi from.

>>216506121
Germany is country of high-quality products, but when it comes to railway, it's one of the worst quality in the first world for some unknown reason. Poland should built their own high speed railways.

>>216506032
I took a train from Amsterdam to Bolzano once

>>216506816
Iceland is quite similar to Estonia and it does have only one real city and it's doing good
>>216506820
bro, i know Germans are autistic but don't tell me you didn't get his joke

>>216506032
I will, fuck planes. I want to bring back food and drinks

>>216506348
That's good, rail is 19th century tech for communist trannies. Elon Musk hyperloop will replace whatever trains are doing at 1/10th the cost with 10x the speed

>>216505936 (OP)
It was really disappointing experience personally. Compared to high speed rail in Japan, Taiwan, HK.

>>216506840
Germany does build good trains but they don't want to use them in their own country. Their rails are horrible and 30 years old. Germany should not be in the middle of Europe, they're too incompetent

>>216506854
Oh...

>>216506840
>Poland should built their own high speed railways.
and we will, just it will be only Warsaw-Poznań section so it will end half a way before Berlin

>>216506840
>it's one of the worst quality in the first world for some unknown reason
it's especially weird because German railways were considered best in Europe (at least among big countries) before WW2.

>>216506820
Why are you so german

>>216506032
Eh, depends entirely on the price. Reminder that it's easier and cheapter to take a baggage on a train, too.
Besides, is this just an improved railway or trains themselves? If it's the former, then you have to consider the benefits from smoother exports of large quantities of goods.

>>216505936 (OP)
>The EU is heavily investing in high speed rail.
AHAHAHAHA
You know where the EU is actually heavily investing.

>>216506858
This. Suitcase full of delicious regional products that I can bring for free in a train including liquids

We need zagreb- split connection.

>>216506840
>but when it comes to railway, it's one of the worst quality in the first world for some unknown reason
Germans have a big problem with infrastructure in general, their autobahns aren't that good anymore either. Same about public healthcare, education, post and well, basically everything is getting worse and worse.

>>216506570
>america is suffering
Texas, Florida and Ohio rejected federal funds to build high-speed rail, that money was transferred to California rail project.

>>216506865
>That's good, rail is 19th century tech for communist trannies
Libertarians (GOP) don't want any form of public infrastructure, they want rule like feudal lords of old with their own personal fiefdoms.

>>216506962
The EU has funded several rail rehabilitation and highway construction projects here so far.
Why are you being ziggerish

>>216507018
Though it's probably a trend across all of the west, I can't think of any (big) western country that still preserved the quality of infrastructure it was known for like 50 years ago.

Westies back then were rich enough to build it but today they're too poor even just to maintain it.

>>216505936 (OP)
Soon
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/63467

>>216506962
Trans science and globohomo studies. NAFOtroons will never admit that Russia has 10x the standard of living their muslim shitholes do

>>216507085
You're never joining the EU hohol

Watch out everyone the EU is making plans!

>>216507085
Just long enough to let the Poles liberate Lwów.

>>216507126
Пoкєж бєбpy

>>216507085
This reminds me of Romania in the 90s, switching to european standards. There's a long road of economic development ahead, ukiebro. But nothing compared to a war.

>>216506840
Long-distance rail is pretty bad, short-distance is even worse. The Teutonic mind is obsessed with austerity, everything has fallen to decay.

>>216506840
I love our trains

>>216507198
Speak English you low IQ banderite

>>216506864
see this >>216507036

>>216505936 (OP)
I sure as hell take a train that’s not only more expensive than a flight but also filled with browns and takes longer to reach its destination. The EU is really doing everything to destroy one of the few Aryan industries left in Europe for muh climate because they can’t invent climate neutral biofuel

>>216507271
I love our trans

>>216505936 (OP)
>Spending 10 hours in a cramped wagon
grim

>>216507221
Yeah, you don't say. Hope they build the Lviv-Kyiv leg of standard gauge in the next 10 years.

>>216507297
wagons in europe aren't cramped, they're comfortable and modern

>>216507085
This is good. I hope to take a train to Ukraine one day

>>216507036
>Texas, Florida and Ohio rejected federal funds to build high-speed rail
why are red states like this

>>216505936 (OP)
VGH...the high speed trains of EVROPA...

>>216507299
>Hope they build the Lviv-Kyiv leg of standard gauge in the next 10 years
what for? it doesn't make sense, really, cost/effect ratio would be insanely poor
Spain hasn't changed their gauge for the same reason

>>216505936 (OP)
Very good tren develop

>>216506032
I would (I'm a train autist btw)

>>216507275
Trains are the fastest method of transportation on short and medium distances. I can be in Paris faster by train than by plane

Shinkansen master race reporting in

>>216507297
Trains are more spatious than planes

>>216505936 (OP)
Why would I take the train when flying is cheaper?

>>216507390
Do you like shinkansen

>>216507297
Doubt it's less comfortable than 10 hours in a car

>>216506962
Get back to the front, HIVan. Pootin needs you to die so you can be replaced with a pajeet

>>216506032
I would if it's for natives only

>>216507297
Do you even have trains?

>>216507473
Some are afraid of flight maybe, tourists might use them. Not sure how it would be used practically

>>216507477
Yes

>>216507473
what prevents us from making trains cheaper than flying

>>216507362
Read why they did they it from their own official website.

>https://mccaul.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/reps-mccaul-brady-ellzey-continues-to-oppose-taxpayer-subsidized-federal
They rejected free money lol.

>>216507473
airport anxiety

>>216507473
I could fly to Amsterdam for 50 euros, trains are cool though

>>216507473
>Why would I take the train when flying is cheaper?
This. I live in Umeå and a train ticket to Stockholm is €110-€150 depending on the time/date.
Never cheaper and that's a single trip. No return ticket...
Last April I bought a plane ticket from Umeå Airport to Stockholm for €21, return flight included. Took 55 minutes.
Trains are outdated unless they go like 500km/h and cost less than flying.

>>216506519
You already have good HSR though. It was very comfy when I was there

>>216507473
Individual freedom

>>216507655
>and cost less than flying
Most do cost less than trains, except the (((privatized))) ones

i did from tallinn to warsaw with buses a couple of years ago. trains will be much better

Im gonna say it
In germany with the germany ticket going anywhere inland is cheaper than flying

>>216507378
Considering the amount of people and cargo we flowing east/west it makes perfect sense

>>216507655
You live at the edge of the world. These kind of trains are meant for cities that are closer together. Going by train is faster than flying on those kind of journeys

>>216507704
yeah but it really is cheaper to fly like Swedebros said

>>216507768
Because of airplane subsidies. Train tickets will get cheaper too

>>216507632
lolberts think having public infrastructure is tantamount to assrape

>>216507807
These people are insane and now run my country government, they want to rule like kings without separation of power, checks and balances.

>>216507755
>These kind of trains are meant for cities that are closer together
When I was in Japan I took fast trains everywhere. They literally cover all major cities. all across Japan plus all the stuff in between.
Umeå is the 13th largest city in Sweden and the largest city in Norrland. It might be distant in terms of distance but so is Hakodate to Kagoshima.

>>216507918
Ok communist
First they build a train, then before you know it we'll have healthcare for everyone and a minimum wage you can actually live on
I would rather kms than live in the Soviet States of America

>>216508452
>13th largest city in Sweden
With a pop of 1200?

>>216508524
Umeå has 91 000 people in the main city and a total of around 150k in the area.

>>216508552
that's pretty small

Italy has 110 province (cities with administrative duties) and only 6 of them have less than 150k residents

Hm

>>216509958
>traveled from Portugal to Finland based on locations
kek

>>216505936 (OP)
beaucrats are hilarious, they really think we are going to pay 3x and do 8x on travel time for reasons

>>216507918
>>216508468
Could you please leave my country?

>>216505936 (OP)
>only between capitals
useless

>>216505936 (OP)
Why is Berlin the big german node instead of an actually relevant german city?

>>216505936 (OP)
>all the empty space on the map
Most people don't live in the capital, and those that do probably prefer flying to another capital in a 3rd of the time.

>>216510094
Bold of you to assume that they care.

>>216510428
>he doesn't live in a capital region
you're irrelevant

>>216505936 (OP)
>Vienna - Ljubljana 4h30
That's the same or slower than by car

>>216512166
just take the train chud okay?

>>216506032
you're gonna die in a plane crash one day while I will be napping in the train

>>216505936 (OP)
>d rail. Which high speed train connections do you want in your country?
>>>
Why isnt there a station in the Rhine region?

>>216505936 (OP)
>Athens

won't be completed before 2100

>>216506032
>Trains are cheaper
>can book a cabin where you can sleep in
>better views
>don't have to sit right next to smelly people or crying babies
>can bring food/drinks from aboard
>don't have to be very early at the airport or pass through security checks
>train stations are often central

obviously the downside is the time

>>216506344
switzerland ain't in the EU sirs

>>216507433
I love Europe so much lads