Thread 216595910

>You tell a WASP in 1905 that a Pole, Irishman, Ukrainian, Italian, Slovak, Greek or Bavarian is his racial equal and he is shooting you in the head

Gang is this true?

If 1910 wasps knew they would get trillions of immigrants from India and LATINX in the future perhaps they would have been more grateful they were getting euro immigrants

No

>>216595910 (OP)
Xenophobia≠institutional racial discrimination and segregation.

>>216595910 (OP)
drop bavarian from that list and maybe irish and yes it's true

btw jews were about 25% of new york's population in 1905

>>216595910 (OP)
It's true, they used to lynch Italians

>>216595910 (OP)
Why do US liberals think this is a great argument for unlimited third world immigration?

And the WASP's preferred alternative is the Bronx, the least white major county in the entire nation. No doubt

>>216595987
if they knew it they'd expell all the terrones and slavscum back knowing it was just a way to prime the population to migration and increasing swarthiness

>>216596187
They lynched Italians one time because Italian organized crime was causing panic in New Orleans and they killed a Police chief with a sawed off shotgun. They kinda had it coming

>>216595910 (OP)
Arr rook same

>>216595910 (OP)
>WASP
Early American copium to distance themselves from the British yet claiming themselves as British.
Mental gymnastics.

>>216595910 (OP)
>my breton great grandmother disowned my grandfather for marrying an istrian and called her a "gypsy guinea nigger"

>>216596356
They were scapegoats, there wasnt even organized crime in New Orleans and the victims were innocents anyway.

>>216596467
Wtf is an Istrian?

>>216596602
>there wasnt even organized crime in New Orleans and the victims were innocents anyway.

hmm...

>>216595910 (OP)
perhaps we shouldnt care about the opinion of old people who have been dead for decades

>>216595910 (OP)
No, it's bullshit.

Anglos wrote the laws of the USA and in 1790 they made a law explicitly stating that white immigrants could become citizens.

Obviously Anglos thought that Anglos were the best but at that time every nation thought that they were the best.

>>216596602
>there wasnt even organized crime in New Orleans

>>216596629
Mini India.

i'm more concerned about how Visegrad 24 is concerned with these issues.

>>216597227
why? it's just a zionist chud account

>>216597227
Don't know

>>216596467
my great aunt was shunned and disowned by the family when she converted to Catholicism for her Irish-American husband (only for my dad to be an Irish-American Catholic)

>>216595910 (OP)
Not really.

>>216596187
italians brought cosa nostra to the united states. they absolutely deserved everything they got. we only think it was unfair because we're cucks

>>216595910 (OP)
Lovecraft wrote his stories in 1920s and he looked down on Germans and Poles

>>216599687
And he was right for that.

>>216596150
Thus European Americans.

>>216596765
First time I hear from them

>>216595987
eastern european and med immigrants WERE backwards retards back then and only after they assimilated in the english dominated culture they became fine

WASPs would rather choke on 1000 nigger dicks rather than shake hands with a european immigrant

>>216595910 (OP)
It's somewhat true, generally WASPs didn't see other Europeans as 'unwhite' but they did see them as culturally dissimilar and therefore inferior. It's just modern leftist brainrot to think that Poles or Irish ppl were viewed the same way as Blacks or other browns

>>216596022
This

>>216599687
He's got nothing on the Swiss they constantly look down on white Germans, French and Anglos

>>216595910 (OP)
they consider us white, but second grade white, like an alcoholic deadbeat cousin every family has

>>216595910 (OP)
Actual WASP here. I do indeed look down upon the swarthy meds and balkanites. Keep that bloodline pure, brothers. Don't get seduced by the latrina or bugs.

>>216596078
it really do be like dat doe

From my understanding of generalized political power (pouring into social, economic, cultural etc. pools of empowerment, control, & stability), this was because of two „superlayers”: the power dynamic(s) background and the religious dynamic(s) background.

>The religious dynamic(s) of the epoch

Almost all(?) of the above examples were affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church is a vertically (hierarchical) core deep-seated entrenched institution, mirroring feudalism/monarchism, with the Vicarius Christi/Anté-Christus as its chief chairman executive.

Whatever „Poppa” says, goes, it is written as law, downpoured into dicasteries, monastic/religious orders, from the seniorest cardinal bishopric all the way to the most recluse commune with a church priest or monk.
It's as vertical as it can be...

>Power dynamic(s) of the epoch

As you can observe; „feudalism/monarchism” and „republic”, are fundamentally and elementary opposed in perpetuity.
The formulas are not the same. The power rulesets are diametrically opposed.

The RCC bishops – themselves subordinated to the 'Vicarius' – are conjoined with the local feudal ruler or even a prince, because the Pope himself answers to the monarch and/or primogeniture inheritor princes or dukes.

The feudal/monarchic rule & the religious rule are two sides of the same wall; — with the feudal/monarchic rule as the senior strategic echelon, whereas the religious entity being its adjutant. Popes answer to monarchs, dukes, and their families. Bishops & other seniors within the religious management of the RCC answering to the other ranking feudal castes and their families.

You and I, in this ordeal, are nowhere to be found – we're the serfs, dictated to not upset the [old] world order.
If the above escaped the clutches of feudalism, the avant d'etre security risk worries were the attachments to religion, to the RCC, yet the RCC itself works in tandem with feudal powers.

>>216604081
>If the above – „Pole, Irishman, Ukrainian, Italian, Slovak, Greek or Bavarian”(sic!) – escaped the clutches of feudalism, the avant d'etre security risk worries were the attachments to religion, to the RCC, yet the RCC itself works in tandem with feudal powers.

(Continued)

So this is [one of?] the node of discord in American history itself, to its state-building & nation-building prospects...

„WASPs” terrorized at the thought that immigrants, discontent with feudal/monarchic rule in Europe and elsewhere, would still be attached to the religious echelon (the RCC) because the RCC would work as a proxy (subordinated) for the nobility castes in Europe.

I could continue with the historiography of Reform/Protestantism movement because it was a half in half: not all of protestantism wanted to ditch the feudal/monarchic rule initially either, thinking it could be salvaged.


Thank L'Être Suprême & our spiritual republican ancestors, proving that the alternative to vertical ruleset can work and is far, far more resilient than the bloody demented feudal [salic] primacy & dominionship.

>>>216604081
>>>216604692

(Continued)

>„A republic – if you can keep it...”


Be wary to not redo the footsteps of feudalism & monarchism, out of spite, to prove a point missing the mark.

Despite the painful legacies of the [at least] last two hundred years, the 'reds' are still aggressive in their manic bloodlineages & have been forgiven for far too many times to what they've done against the 'whites'... No more.

>>216596150
i don't think Jews were classified as "European Americans" like ever, though
probably still aren't

>>216605077
Let's keep it that way

All of that infighting to decide who was the goodest goy and now it looks like this

>>216596728
Lmao, just read Lovecraft. He wrote a story about a man who burned himself alive after discovering his grandmother was an intelligent ape. He wrote that story after discovering he was part welsh.

>>216595910 (OP)
European catholics, eastern and southern europeans must understand and acknowledge that they began to be considered full human beings only after completely brown immigrants began arriving in America.

>>216605314
why do you think that European catholics, eastern and southern europeans fucking care about what Americans think about people who emigrated to the US from Europe 150 years ago?

I don't give a slightest fuck about what 1/16 German Americans think about 1/16 Polish Americans, not my problem.

>>216605379
Perhaps, but the very concept of whiteness was invented in the anglo american world

>>216601519
they were "unwhite" though, just not equivalent to blacks or browns or asians which were seen as totally alien races
although yes on paper they weren't discriminated against, but nobody called a jew, a slave or an italian "white" back in the day, it would have been very weird to use that term for them

>>216605490

Anglo-American world didn't invent it.
The French Revolution did.

>>216605829
Are you talking about classifying people into 4 races, like europoids, mongoloids, negroids, and australoids?

In fact, arabs and south asians can also be classified as europoids.

>>216606045
>Are you talking about classifying people into 4 races, like europoids, mongoloids, negroids, and australoids?

No.

>>216605201
>one writer (who died in poverty during his lifetime) is more representative than the hundreds of elected politicians who contributed towards the 1790 immigration act being passed

bad reasoning

>>216599687
And look where it got him

Wasps are the one that love blacks, Jews, Chinese and Indians the most

When the 60s happened they became retarded dopefiend hippies and were the ones who started it all the retard leftist libtard revolution

>>216595910 (OP)
Meds and slavs and celts i understand but Bavarian? Still germanic

>>216595910 (OP)
>Bavarian
LOL, a German immigrant created the Brooklyn bridge.
Or is this supposed to be about catholicism? Whatever that has to do with race.

>>216606307

Are all WASPs adjacent to the order of the garter; those wanting to copy the English-Dutch gentry monarchic model?

They're not white, if they do...

>When the '60s happened, they became retarded dopefiend hippies and were the ones who started it all the retard leftist libtard revolution

I'd reckon these were the WASPs secretly wanting to be & mirror „European” nobility castes. Yeah, that'd explain why they're 'lefties' in an established republic.

A society, no matter how wealthy, that wants to mirror feudalist nobility becomes a genuine liability for the republican system. This isn't banter, just to be crystal clear.

>>216606232
Not just one. There's also James Cain, whose book "the Postman always rings twice" tells the story of a couple of a greek immigrant and a white american woman. And the greek's wife, when talking to the protagonist, immediately began assuring him that she was not greek, but white.

Or "Martin Eden" by Jack London. The protagonist, Martin Eden, knew a portuguese immigrant woman. And she was in the same position as modern mexican immigrants.

Or the Ku Klux Klan. Their activities weren't limited to lynching blacks. They were also rabidly anti catholic and wanted to keep America a protestant nation.

>>216606158
Then explain it

>>216599687
Who doesn't look down on Poles?
But if you as an American hate Germans you are basically hating your nation.

All the actual productive stuff is in the German areas.
Take Boeing, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, Intel - you name it.

>>216606950
SZAAR WIR CEO NAU!

You Germans are just jeets wearing white skin

>>216607103
The CEO of 99% of companies is a jew from New England most of the time.
The ones creating actual value, be it factory workers, engineers or researchers, are mostly those descending from German immigrants.

>>216606950
these maps are heavily skewed by the fact that most americans don't really remember or think about their english ancestry, because those ancestors came centuries ago and were just seen as the default "white", you're much more likely to think about a more recent part of your lineage that stands out
it's funny because when these surveys were conducted in the 70s, "english" was a much more common answer
anyway genetic testing shows anglo ancestry as being the most common one, but it's undeniable germans were also a large group

>>216595910 (OP)
There are no WASPs after WWII, what you see are either remnants or mischlings pretending to be Anglo-Saxons.

>>216595910 (OP)
Yes and no. These groups were always considered white, hence why they weren't subject to official Segregation laws and shit like that, but they were still socially discriminated against because they were still odd foreigners with strange customs, languages, etc. Which didn't fit in with the overwhelmingly English speaking culture of the US.

>>216605490
Nah, German early anthropology already coined the term 'Caucasian' in the 1700s, places like the University of Göttingen were literally where all this shit got written down.

>>216605077
Yeah they were and are, Jews in the modern US are seen as just white people who celebrate Hannukah instead of Christmas.

>>216596187
Good.

>>216608725
extreme gem

>>216605201
>He wrote that story after discovering he was part welsh.
fake news, Lovecraft knew he had Welsh ancestry since he was a child and was largely proud of it

>>216595910 (OP)
What about Basques?

>>216605757
Not true. White was used for any European. Even calling an Ashkenazi white wouldn’t have been remotely weird.

>>216606950
>Who doesn't look down on Poles?
I'm so tired and depressed from this hatred towards Poles like you all wouldn't believe

Test

>>216611600
Try being American for 10 seconds. That’s what I thought bukowski

>>216611727
>what about-
NO
STOP HATING ME
NOW
AAAAAAAAAAA

>>216596187
WTF??? based burgers

Yes, people like nick fuentes are coopting the nativist movement from the 1840s when theyre all latinx-mutt catholics and would have been beaten to death by the original american nativists for being 'foreign'

the race obsession is a meme, although i do acknowledge that you shouldn't let millions of thirdies supplant your population because its going to result in a net downgrade in every aspect of your civilization (aside from population and consumption)

>>216595910 (OP)
Yes and no, they weren't seen as low as blacks but they were still discriminated against, especially if they practiced a different sect of christianity or religion altogether, for example they really hated catholics to the point where when we had our cristero wars the KKK sent help to the mexican government or Utah being founded as a state by white refugees being prosecuted for being mormons

>>216595910 (OP)
"WASPs" are cringe larpers

>>216595910 (OP)
Why do so many poorly educated United Statesmen think Irish were all low class and as foreign as those other groups? There were Irish founding fathers, plantation owners, and military generals since the founding of USA.

Jim Bob the baptist from West Virginia is not a WASP. The W stands for wealthy.

>>216599687
Good. The Germans are too single-minded and autism-brained that they are prone to bouts of hysteria. They lack the worldliness of the English and French who conquered the globe and interacted with other non-Euro cultures.

>>216605829
>The French Revolution did.
american whiteness came first than french revolution. french revolution copied american revolution though

>>216612356
so are latinxs larping as tradcaths?

>>216596467
Istrian Italian or Istrian Slav?