I really miss how this tactical AR-15 craze was such a thing a decade ago. The amount of butthurt and discussion this caused was amazing.

>>63818212
Fuck. Take me back.

Early 2010s were so comfy and nothing you niggas say will make me change my mind

>>63818212
Bro I miss shotgun news like you wouldn't believe

>>63818202 (OP)
anyone who missed the period of 2009-2014 unironically missed peak AR and tactical training. We will never come close to the hype and product innovation anymore. Peak Magpul, peak anti Obama years, peak gun shows, getting 100 dollar Mosins by the crateful. Peak airsoft. Everything was simple.

>>63818202 (OP)
Damn magpul dynamics wouldve fucking wrecked shit up if they just raised their head and used a higher optic mount.

>>63818202 (OP)

>>63820838
lol I think that's when I bought my Mosin. Also remember going to a gun show and the Gun Owners of America had a booth and a big banner with a picture of Rand Paul on it.

>>63820870
my friend bought a Mosin for like 80-100 bucks with a bayonet around that time, you might have been him :)

>>63818202 (OP)
Fuck, now I remember all the autistic slapfights this board had over thumb over bore, thanks OP.

>>63823886
M855 or M193?

>>63820849
>>63820839
>>63818202 (OP)
C-clamping hurts my entire arm do I have boneitis or just need to lift more

it's the most awkward way to hold a rifle

>>63818202 (OP)
The good old days when DPMS was the go to brand for building your own AR, and using a Magpul handguard was enough for everyone to call you a mall ninja

>>63820831
Early 2010s was best /k/.
>Syrian civil war
>Isis conflicts
>Squid being a faggot
>Best era for stolen valor

>>63825753
Can’t forget the great /k/lankening of Kiev Square

>>63823941
>C-clamping hurts my entire arm
DYEL

>>63825753
It's fucking tragic how different this place is now compared to then. No more personalities or real local content, but I guess that applies to the internet as a whole these days.

>>63818212
I like everything on the top and bottom except the goober mount

>>63826431
reminder that he threatened to sue the production company if they aired this in outtakes, he was 100% assmad and had an ND.

>>63818202 (OP)
Why was that super hunched over stance ever popular?

>>63826647
the school of thought was since you have a lot of ammo and your primary goal should be suppression and removing the threat as fast as possible, so for recoil control thumb over bore means less recoil more rounds on target in CQB. This was the time period where GWOT/CQB tactics were focused on.

>>63826648
I get the thumb over bore idea, but that neck position looks like it was some poorly conceived ploy by some chiropractor to drum up business from operators.

>>63826393
That was more mid2010's. But the /k/lank was something else. Same with the original BLM riots in 2014. BPR and SaigaMarine making the sacrifice.
On top of Bundy ranch. RIP McNig

>>63826568
I dipped in 2017 after all the redditfags came here to shit it up. Seemed all the good dudes left. I popped back in at the beginning of the current /k/lank part 2, only to find the new board culture didn't want to talk about an actual current and interesting conflict. This isy first time back since. I'm hoping to find some of the oldfags to around.


Ohh the one thing I miss the absolute most is /k/ommando radio. An anon years back hooked me up with some of the programming schedules and shit. And have been meaning to get a version of it going again

>>63826788
/k/ radio is a perfect example of what I was talking about, I loved having it on at night when jazz and slower tunes were playing. The board felt like a community, now it's just like the rest of the more prominent social sites and is basically a dumping ground for bots, state actors and third worlders that really shouldn't have internet access.

>>63826721
absolute co-witness was in vogue, recoil control was all about bracing the fuck out of the rifle and pulling it against the shoulder pocket - and probably the biggest reason was that "nose to charging handle" was what most people learned through the military

>>63826880
/K/ radio is what introduced me to ira songs and turbofolk. Which some of my favorite artists are turbofolk singers/bands. The PSA's were also some of my favorites to listen to while reloading.
Seems like the bulk of the internet is that way now. I've only recently come back to lurk. And it seems like there's no real board culture like there used to be

>>63820831
>things were comfy when i was young

huh

>>63823941
you don't have to crank the full nae-nae, just wrap your thumb over the top

>>63818212
I didn’t want to be sad on a Friday afternoon.

>>63827890
I'm sorry we can't be better for you anon. Im a newishfag(still a newfag tho) and even I lament how shit the board has become from when I started coming here consistently. I thought it lulled bad in late 2019, but then covidfags showed up and made it worse. Then after that we got all the war tourists and now I can't go a single thread without reading a demented noguns yurotard take on something. There really isn't anywhere else to go though sadly, unless you want to jump into a discord server hellhole

>>63820838
It really was a golden age, and getting into guns in 2007 really skewed my perception of just how the gun market should be. For example, companies that historically sold and designed new hammer fired handguns were still innovating in that field, and after 2014 they collectively decided to build nothing but glocks.

>>63828016
>without reading a demented noguns yurotard take on something

i think you just mean someone with a non-conservative opinion.

>>63827890
here's what I all have from /k/ommando Radio

>>63828035
I can to Copy pasta the song lists so it can upload properly

I just bought M&P 15 Sport 2 for $500 dollars (steal) today, the gun is used but its barely dirty, looks like someone rarely shot this rifle.

>>63828075
>(steal)

they're like 600 bucks new, dude.

>>63828120
>they're like 600 bucks new, dude.
Not in my area, they're like $700-800 new in my town.

>>63828125
why are you buying local / why are you avatarfagging?

>>63828160
>why are you buying local
Because it would up as the same price anyways if you count shipping and $65-100 transfer fee.
>why are you avatarfagging?
She is best girl.

>>63827890
I've been here since 2010, I persist out of spite and habit. But I barely post like I used to. There's just nothing really here anymore. Maybe if I didn't have my group of a dozen or so old /arg/ regulars that I interact with regularly in a Discord group I'd be here more, but even in that case it'd still be nothing like the old days. No community, no characters like GiRL, Saleman 2.0 or Zed, just a bunch of post-election tourists and foreigners screaming at one another over geopolitics. It's all shit now, and has been said, that's pretty much internet-wide.
>>63828016
>There really isn't anywhere else to go though sadly, unless you want to jump into a discord server hellhole
Honestly that's probably the best bet, it worked out great for my group. We're all from here and meet at least once a year, more if events like Oshkosh EAA go down. It's a crapshoot though, I've been in more than one /k/ Discord that was a total fuckfest (you Colorado group queers need to seriously kill yourselves). You sure as shit aren't going to find anything worthwhile here anymore.

>>63828035
https://files.catbox.moe/16gen5.txt
https://files.catbox.moe/hpobmk.txt

>>63826647
Because they didn't have GBRS Hydra™ mounts

>>63828069
pls do fren, I was a summer newfag in 2012 and had no idea about the board culture until like 2016, and didnt know about the radio station until 2021

>>63828182
Im still a newfag and I didnt check the whole thread thanks->>63828260

>>63820880
I traded a bottle of Irish whiskey for a mosin back around 2000. It was a fair trade for both of us at the time.

>>63828016
Hey man you are trying though. So I'm not gonna fault you. The discord mess is that. But I did meet a group of folks on one that are friends I talk to almost everyday. I'm going to try to stick around more this time. I first came here in 09 to 2017. After that it was every few years. Hopefully we can get it to how it used to be. Yurofags were always a blight here, so that's nothing new.

>>63828263
No problem man

The war in Ukraine killed /k/. It became infested with pro-Russian thirdies and anti-Russian Europeans that overwhelmed actual weapon discussion that made /k/ fun. There are a few holdouts from old /k/ left in the dedicated generals, but they can be too circlejerky for me.

>>63828172
I remember you from the old days, I started here around late 09. Same with zed, squid, boof, SaigaMarine, McNig, flandre, so on and so forth. I'm posting to many separate posts because I've been drinking. So that's my bad. I did meet a bunch of fellow /k/ommandos though a discord for a stalker channel. And they are real g's. So I'm lucky with that

>>63828580
It's been garbage since 2016, but at least then we didn't have people paid to disrupt threads 24/7 for at most 100 regular real human users.

>>63823941
...are you even C clamping correctly? it should almost match your hand at rest

>>63828591
I'm legit glad I got my group of /k/tards, it's a legit cohort and we have a blast online and off. A little slice of the old days preserved for me.

>>63828758
I just have just the few. We don't get a chance to all meet up as much since we are all scattered over the Midwest. But it's a good group. And I'm glad I found them

>>63828172
i miss oppenheimer. one of the few actually educated posters on the board and too many people doxxed him and ruined the fun. hope he's doing alright

>>63829062
Man, I forgot about him. Dude knew some shit

>>63828172
I used to be in a /k/ discord and found a bunch of friends there, but more or less me and my friends broke off from it and made our own smaller discord and all left the original state /k/ discord because it got filled with to many annoying faggots. Just doesn't feel like there are any new cool guys to hang out with anymore. Even in early 2020 there was an energy around and people thought they could do so much. Now its just gone. I was never cool enough to be in with the /ard/ guys tho lmao, glad you have a good group though. I try to keep the spirit alive when I see threads like this but I mostly just stick to one or two generals these days

I miss the 100 dollar nuggets and sub 300 dollar SKS's and sub 400 dollar Wasrs more desu. Nowadays, zoomers and other broke college kids have to support shitty companies like PSA and Anderson with their money now if they want something fun and they are getting a much lower product then what we had access to back then, but I suppose that goes for everything now because of enshittification.

>>63826880
>third worlders that really shouldn't have internet access.

this was the problem. I remember old /k/ being 99.9% americans talking about guns. literally every front page thread would be some autistic argument about which part or rifle configuration or caliber was best, the only thing breaking that pattern being the occasional joke thread about katanas or some shit like that.
Discussion about military vehicles or playing armchair general over current wars was non-existent. I remember getting in days long shitposting battles with half the tripfags mentioned in this thread over stupid shit like piston AR conversions, AR vs AK, 9mm vs 45 etc.

All of 4chan suffered the onslaught of third worlders and yurofags unfortunately, /k/ was just hit particularly hard now becoming a low rent version of /pol/ and /int/, foreign faggots battling over whose shithole is superior by way of thinly veiled arguments about fighter jets and tanks they don't actually know anything about.

>>63829164
was one of those fags that argued for piston AR's. I still have my Adams Arms. And it's still treating me well

>>63828580
This board's generals have always been faggot containment zones and the VAST majority of this board's tripfags are peacocking drama queens who end up being net detriments to any thread they post in. There's only one tripfag I can think of off the top of my head who didn't fit that description and that's oppenheimer, and he's been MIA for a long fucking time.

>>63818202 (OP)
The AR-15 craze was and continues to be the worst thing to happen to the civilian gun market.

>>63829672
I still can't believe how everything lined up perfectly for us to go from a box stock shotgun or handgun being a perfect home defense gun in 2010 (and for all of the 20th century) to the current idea of an AR plus optic, light, and sling being some bar to meet for home defense. It's a safe bet that it's industry shills really pushing that garbage, but there are plenty of people who didn't own a gun before 2020 who have bought into that church.

>>63828017
>and after 2014 they collectively decided to build nothing but glocks.
That change happened to everything at the same time. Look at a 2014 Dodge Avenger car compared to any car made now. Does anyone even make four door sedans anymore? I think the last qwerty phones died around that time too and everything became a touch screen iphone knockoff from then on. Blackberry isn't even a company anymore and they were once so dominant that even the US president used one for official communications.

Something happened to our society, and it has impacted more than just our gun designs. It's like someone has quietly banned innovation or something.

>>63829848
>It's like someone has quietly banned innovation
capitalism always stifles innovation

>>63827947
Stfu nigger

>>63829848
I can't explain the reason why, but I see how much changed. Guns all turned into the most generic glocks and ARs. Cars all turned into crossovers and trucks. Movies are the same safe formulas again and again. I don't know what to call it, but it's like everyone collectively accepted good enough as the standard and I don't know why. Everything is average enough to appeal to everyone but excite nobody, with utilitarian features in nonoffensive colors.

>>63828017
>>63829848
>>63829999
every company wants THEIR product to be the thing that works for everyone and appeals to the biggest audience
selling something that is an art form is controversial because the people you shouldn't even be marketing towards or care about dont like it
they want their product to be the only standard in the market

>>63829869
Kys commie

>>63829718
Anon you should absolutely want an optic and light on an HD rifle. Shit that's the most justifiable reason for having those accessories to begin with. Like, are you high?

>>63829164
None of that discussion matters anyways because you burgers will never use your guns while the real military equipment gets used all the time. Keep talking about what Chinese optic you're going to use next, Tex.

>>63829718
of all the things to clown on tacticool AR setups for, home defense is the most retarded angle to take

>pistols
the AR will be easier to aim, be more accurate, have less overpen potential, and (generally) hold more ammunition
>shotgun
the AR will have less recoil, have quicker followup shots, have less overpen potential and hold more ammunition
>optic and light
seeing what you're shooting at and quickly and reliably hitting it are paramount for home defense scenarios for reasons that should be obvious

be contrarian and like what you want, but do not go fullretard like you did here.

>>63830933
>military equipment gets used all the time.
as if that means anything to your faggot ass dick measuring contests over this or that tank or plane. none of you queers know the first thing about any of that shit, you have literally never even seen any of it in real life let alone have any meaningful knowledge or experience regarding million dollar equipment.
All of those threads are just third world retards talking out of their ass based on reading random spec sheets they found on google and garbage info dug up on video game forums. You might as well be arguing about the best practices for brain surgery for all you know about military vehicles.
All of it is just a pathetic veneer for political shitflinging over wars you also have zero knowledge or experience of other than what you can find on fucking twitter.

>>63829718
to be fair, most people arent only thinking of home defense when it comes to ARs, its usually something along the lines of SHTF, larp, or someone who actually needs it like law enforcement

>>63831130
To be even more fair, an AR with a light and optic isn't just a suitable HD setup, it's damn near ideal.

>>63830933
Idgaf about lowest-bidder military equipment debates. I can pay cash for a gun at a flea market and go home without so much as showing my ID, legally. No registration requirements or involvement of agents of the state whatsoever. There isn't a single eurofag or thirdie nation in which I can do the same thing legally, absent the benefits of nepotism. Enjoy your authoritycucked existence.

>>63831022
>>63830928
The point is that the idea of using a semi auto carbine for home defense wasn't even a common thing 15 years ago and there certainly wasn't some accepted standard of ideal accessories. It is a very recent and significant shift.

What happened is that a ton of people flooded into firearms ownership after 2012 and they all bought ARs because they thought ARs were going to get banned. That didn't happen, so all these people were left with a rifle(s) that they only bought due to politics and fear. Naturally, they all started throwing their ARs against the wall to see what sticks so they could justify their purchases, and finally the HD AR landed and stuck.

Turns out the AR is a good home defense gun, but the set of specific circumstances that happened for it to take over the market in such a short time is crazy. Then of course, this is all being driven by social media which happened to be exploding in popularity at that moment, and there was an abundance of GWOT vets ready to make tactical entertainment.

>>63831559
Gun becomes popular quickly and winds up being pretty versatile and effective. Okay, so what's the problem?

>>63831559
2012 was not even close to the biggest AR sales boom, the AWB expiring in 2004 was when shit really went crazy, typical /k/ posters are just too young to remember that time. There were a shitload of ARs floating around by 2012.

>>63831052
>>63831552
Sure. Whatever. Let the big boys talk about real military equipment while you and cleetus talk about your funko pop toys and how you're on par with a Tier 1 Navy Seal or whatever.

>>63823941
If it doesn't work for you, don't sweat it. Try a vertical foregrip.

>>63832002
>Let the big boys talk about real military equipment
lmfao, the """big boys""" talking about military equipment they haven't so much as fucking smelled IRL. You are like a 12 year old kid that has a poster of a ferrari on his wall daydreaming about being a real real racecar driver.
Everything you think you know about whatever faggot tank you jerk off to is completely wrong because you are a random clueless jackass lacking even the most tangential connection to anything about it. Playing war thunder does not magically make you into an expert capable of intelligently discussing real hardware, FAGGOT.

>>63831559
Where did the 'Shotgun = Ideal home defense weapon' idea even come from? My family's home defense gun has been a centerfire semi auto rifle going back four generations. Great Grandpa had a Model 8, Grandpa upgraded to an M1 Carbine after the Watts Riots, Dad switched to an SKS after Rodney King, and I use an AR15. Is this an urban vs rural thing?

Anyone who took the late 2000's/early 2010's approach to gun ownership and blabbing about it to everyone in earshot got a rude awakening by 2019. Up until then, you could pretend (key word here) nothing had changed, but by that year, you were guaranteed to face some IRL consequences for crossing an invisible line that wasn't there before.

>>63832589
>Where did the 'Shotgun = Ideal home defense weapon' idea even come from?

honestly i think its just because cocking a shotgun is loud and recognizable

Bros...

>>63832589
>>63832890
It's hard to aim under duress

>>63833065
Okay? At home defense ranges the pattern on most shotgun loads will be the size of a fist.
If you were gonna miss with a rifle you'd miss with a shotgun too, the statistical likeness of being close enough to the edge of someone's silhouette that you'd miss with a single projectile and would hit with a buckshot shell is so unlikely it's not worth planning for.

>>63832589
Wild west. Same way that media of tacticool shit makes us think about what is right and proper, wild west was for the boomer era.

>>63833508
To elaborate, I had a fun discussion with an old (as in, he was old enough to buy a gun in the year I was born, and I am +30) poster once. My question was a chicken and egg with Fudds - did they create the gun-culture, or did gun culture create fuds? My view was the fuds created it, like I said there. His view was more it was a creation of the culture of the time, that except for bleeding edge shit in the 80s you were more limited to revolvers/shotguns/bolt aciton/surplus/yadda yadda yadda. And he didn't say this but I realize it now that back then housing and basic essentials were cheaper but optional purchases (Including guns) were more expensive. Today it's a bit vice versa somewhat.

Still, while I liked his perspective I maintain a belief that they were shaped by mass media just as we were, so what made guns popular was depiction in movies and tv shows. And for the 30s-60s that's going to be wild west shotguns for home defense.

>>63826568
>It's fucking tragic how different this place is now compared to then. No more personalities or real local content, but I guess that applies to the internet as a whole these days.
I know anons like >>63826788 or you will reminisce about the mid/late 2010s as a real notable shift, and you're not wrong, but honestly thinking back even over the last 4 years it feels like a pretty dramatic acceleration. Like, even silly old things like /k/aturday (though doggos and other pets were welcome too) were killed, something as similar as posting a gun and pet. Family photos, group threads, not even high effort cool projects and meets and so on but the final stragglers of the bear minimum
>"hey, enjoy your guns and life with other gun loving anons, enjoy shooting, maybe get a little better or discover something interesting or be inspired in some way"
It's all slipped away and nobody will even remember soon.

>>63833561
Oh don't get me wrong, the last few years have absolutely seen things go even further into the shitter. I'd even argue that 2022 was the biggest nosedive in quality since 2016. I genuinely think we have more foreigners (aka the insects who seriously need to fuck off back to /pol/ and /int/)posting here now than we ever have, and post quality has suffered as a result. They don't have guns, they generally don't know much of anything about weaponry or warfare and present everything through the lens of partisan shill talking points. They're not weapon nerds, they're actual or in-effect state actors, and they surged over here since Ukraine kicked off.

>>63826393

>>63818202 (OP)