now that the dust has settled, is the shahed effective?

>>63829979 (OP)
one shaed<one missile
100 shaeds>one missile

They’re AD sponges. Their warhead is too large and guidance to accurate to ignore combined with long range makes them great for spamming to bait AD. Even Iron Dome interceptors are a negative trade. Bottleneck rockets mostly miss wildly so Iron Dome can serve shots, but with Shaheeds every one is too valuable to let go.

With sound
https://files.catbox.moe/hg8rac.mp4

very
because you have to shoot them down or they hit the target with a ~90 kilo warhead, at very long range

and your interceptor will almost certainly cost more than it

>>63830401
>>63830016
they can be easily defeated by simple AA guns, the trade becomes negative when you put equip a rotary cannon with a radar.

Extremely easy to intercept by something like CIWS.

>>63830401
>your interceptor will-ACK

>>63829979 (OP)
if russia gives them geran with their terrain map module and iran can make them cheaply
then yes
russians have it with a capped speed of 200km to get an endurance of 10 hours
iran doesnt need this
so lets say they get their hands on them
somehow can find detailed map of israel to upload
rest assure 100-200 of those flying at 300-400 km/h will cause an insane amount of damage

>>63830401
The original shahed was limited to ~50kg and with just enough range to attack israel.
The version with that 90 kg warhead have a very reduced range because they were using those drones for targets at 500km in Ukraine.

>>63830469
That's too close.

>>63830749
>russians have it with a capped speed of 200km to get an endurance of 10 hours

Doesn't it already take a Shahed drone something like 9 hours to get from Iran to targets in Israel?

>>63830796
what's too close?

>>63830411
>>63830425

They fly too high for small caliber systems to be effective, requires a HUGE flak gun with large caliber.
Even if they flew lower, all those bullets you spray might land in the very city you want to protect.
There is a reason why both ukraine and israel use mostly missiles to intercept them.
They have to.

>>63831129
Are you high? Ukraine regularly shoots them down with small arms.

>>63831173
Only on terminal dive to target, not cruise.
Which means you need to have such defensive arms EVERYWHERE since the attacker can choose where to attack.
You're not very bright, are you?

>>63831198
UKR shoots them down while they're en route to target and not only in terminal dives you fucking retard

>>63831129
>There is a reason why both ukraine and israel use mostly missiles to intercept them.
What I personally observe in kyiv during shahed attacks is a lot of gunfire - plenty of something relatively slow-firing and quite loud from multiple locations(you see traces and then a bunch of tiny almost simultaneous explosions in the same spot in the sky), 40mm I presume; sporadic rattling of machine guns or even AKs here and there; and sometimes a short, "dense" sounding burst from something heavier than a machnegun, but much more rapidfiring than 40mm(?) - again, I presume a gepard.
As for effectiveness of those - I see/hear a lot of the shooting, but can't attest to it's effectiveness - I haven't personally clearly seen one being shot down by gunfire. At my location(left bank of the dnipro, windows face east) usually goes like "drone(s) approach from the east, don't even hear the buzz yet, see faint flashes in the sky; then a faint buzz and the same flashes of AA but closer(or to the north/south if it changes course); then if it didn't - it sounds like riding a two stroke bike without a muffler at max rpm, followed by more gunfire from somewhere to the west from me, often fter that I'll hear an explosion, some of them briefly illuminate all surrounding area, so probably those are successful hits, but they happen out of my direct view. Some certainly aren't though - in an attack before the last one, two drones hit rail tracks nearby - one did hit above ground metro line, and the other - regular railway, seems too unbelievable for debris to fall so precisely.
As for missiles - I've seen some kind used and clearly hitting a drone once: early morning may 21, as usual drone from the east, hear faint buzz, see a single missile flying from the ground, then an explosion in the sky, and burning debris slowly falling. When the sound of explosion reached me, the buzzing also stopped - so it was a single(for some reason) drone, and certainly it was shot down.

>>63831065
for missiles. That's why he went in for guns.

>>63829979 (OP)
>>63829979 (OP)
this is how the factory making them in tabriz looks like now so i think its irrelevant either way

>>63830319
>>63829979 (OP)
this is the jordanian airforce defending jordanian skies btf

>>63832142
well guns are cheaper. they purposfully got close

>>63832171
Only the second webm I think

>>63832142
I got that reference.

>>63832167
Iran cutting-egde technology: Shaheds are now stored in cloud!

>>63832410
the missile cities are converting to cloud technology too

>>63831198
Idiot.

>>63831129
You don't need something huge, especially since area coverage is the main issue. Unironically, a modernized, accurized, radar aimed S-60 would be ideal for the job. Towed, and with datalink in lieu of a search radar to save on costs.

I think Russia has produced more Shahed drones by now than Iran ever did.
Imagine if an actual Western Country decided to mass produce them. Like Germany. We are talking maybe 50.000 produced every single month.
I wonder if China would have the same problem mass producing them. Currently, Austria, a country of 10 million, produces more piston engines for aviation every year than China does. And that´s just the engine, not the other specialized parts.

Neither Israel or Iran could have this war without the white man´s technology or industry. They wouldn´t be able to reach each other.

>>63832611
>not mass-produced in Iran
They aren't mass produced in Russia either, not at the rate Russia consumes them that is.

Russia was still importing engines from Iran. Until yesterday.

>>63832637
Maybe. But Russia also threw a jet engine on some of them, I doubt they imported them from Iran. You think they imported the jet engines from Iran anon?
So far Russia has thrown 8000 Shahed drones into Ukraine, that is more Shahed drones than any intelligence agency thinks Iran has produced every since they started making them.

>>63832611
You're an idiot

>>63832657
>You think they imported the jet engines from Iran anon?
Sure, as many as they could. They remain uncommon 3 years in for a reason.
Nobody has shit for scale when it comes to mini-jet engines.

>>63830401
>your interceptor will almost certainly cost more
Lasers faggot, lasers.

>>63831198
you're arguing with braindead retards

>>63832677
Nah, I´m pretty sure you´re just brown and salty. Iran can produce 150 Shahed Drones every month. Oh but the sanctions, the saaanctions!
Well they have help from China and Russia, or they also sanctioning them? So what is really the problem? That Iran, China and Russia are filled with sub-human animals that uses real humans technology to fuck up their surroundings. Like watching an orangutan drive a car.

>>63832727
That comparison is unfair to orangutans; at least say a chimp if it has to be an ape and not a monkey.

>>63832693
>>63832657
Ironically this is from a nation that at one point was producing basic Migs cheaper than BMPs.

>>63829979 (OP)
off topic but why isnt iran attacking u.s bases. they would have a higher chance of doing significant damage, because they wont have to bypass the iron dome. they are refusing to reneter negotiatIons so why not go all the way

if i wanted peace and was in charge of iran i would agree to the terms sets by the americans on nuclear energy. if i wanted retaliation i would do as previous stated. what they are doing now will reap zero results and is just as suicidal as attacking the u.s

any thoughts?

>>63833032
Getting gaped by the Israelis is bad enough, do you want Uncle Sam to tag team Iran?

>>63833131
would it matter? they are already gettIng fucked no matter what at this point. what are they expectIng to acomplish with their strikes on israel which have a 95% percent failure rate

>>63833032
>we're losing a war to a country of 8 million heebs
>let's start a war with the united states as well
What could go wrong?

>>63829979 (OP)