Could Russia realistically do anything if China invaded Siberia?

Yes, wait. Changs will die off from the retardedly long supply lines, cold temps much of the year. And the "Russians" living there will hunt them for sport. China will not grow rarga

>>63852224 (OP)
Lol no

>>63852267
>Retardedly long supply lines
>Literally the largest industrial base on earth
>10x more manpower
>Many who live in similar conditions in Northern China
Fun fact: the Chinese province bordering Russia has more people than all of Russia put together

>>63852298
How many times have people tried to invade less shitty parts of Russia, while being a better industrial power and better equipment? Bugman is just as retarded as any "Russian" they will die

>>63852298
>china's loss to vietnam but with russian characteristics

>>63852324
taking ground from a sparesly populated wasteland immediately adjacent to your border is a bit different than conquering moscow from berlin/paris

>>63852395
s/sparesly/sparsely

Nuke them.
>t-t-their nukes don't work
Okay, then go ahead.

>>63852428
If Russian nukes didn't work then Rosatom wouldn't have so many successful nuclear power plant projects.

>>63852442
Not really, those are 2 different things

>>63852224 (OP)
With current conditions, no.

>>63852442
>successful nuclear power plant
>worst disaster at worst designed plant in the history of the world
This is a new twist.

>>63852224 (OP)
>Could Russia realistically do anything if China invaded Siberia?

No, the initial chinese nuclear strike will take out 90% of the already small russian population.

The survivors will have to fight the country that makes most drones in the world and, in fact, makes most anything in the world. The russian genocide would be rewarded by new western allies, starting a new chinese golden age at the expense of the illegal moscow terrorist regime and its followers.

>>63852686
>The last Sino-Soviet split brought the fall of the Soviet Union
It'd be or funny if it were to happen again. Trade Vladivostok for Taipei.

>>63852298
>similar to northern China
Northern China at least has infrastructure.

>>63852686
China won't nuke an area they want to mine later on unless they want to send Uyghurs there.
>>63852224 (OP)
China has a standing army of 2mln, Russia has 1 mln and is already engaged in a war it can't win any time soon. Ukraine decimated its nuclear strike force just recently. Most of Russia's population is in the West of the country, while China is at Russia's border. How do you conquer 100s of miles of swamp with no objectives in them, though?

My guess is China simply doesn't want Siberia because it makes them more money now than if they'd have to govern it.

>>63852224 (OP)
>Odin has foreseen it

>>63852224 (OP)
5 years ago? Probably. Today? Probably not.

>>63852224 (OP)
Russia's official policy in the Russian Far East is
>We will nuke you right away
It's not a secret. They won't shift troops. They won't conventionally defend. There is no escalation ladder.

>>63852267
China>Siberia is significantly closer than the industrialized parts of Russia

>>63852818
IMO China doesn't (actively) pursue Siberia because it has an alliance with Russia. There's a lot of shit there it wants (largest freshwater lake, access to the Sea of Japan with Vladivostok), and a lot of it was lost about a century ago.

>>63852844
A lot of people seem to think MAD is about ego (attack the US/Russia and you get nuked)! The literal goal of MAD is to not use it, because your entire civilisation will be wiped out. And a big point to actively achieve that is to be as clear as possible about when you'll use it.

they can send indian and african mercenaries

>>63852844
They said that abput russian land and kursk has been counterinvaded

China won't do anything as long as putin is in charge. I could see them swooping in as "peace keepers" if there was a coup, or significant breakup of thr Russian security apparatus.

I actually just held a referendum and 110% of the population of Siberia has voted to break away from the so-called "russia" and join the Republic of West Alaska. Sorry China, should have been quicker; you guys can have India I guess.

>>63852224 (OP)
does china even want siberia? most of the infrastructure in the country is already concentrated in the east and along the coast, western china is extremely underdeveloped and sparsely populated. i dont see what adding in a few more million square miles of backwater does for them.

but anyway, i think putin might actually nook in that hypothetical. soviets came pretty close to nooking the chinks at one point until the US talked them down.

NOOK NOOK

>Eastern Europe
In NATO.
>Sweden
In NATO.
>Finland
In NATO.
>The Baltics
In NATO.
>Iraq
Rekt by NATO.
>Syria
Rekt by NATO.
>Libya
Rekt by NATO.
>Lebanon
Rekt by NATO.
>Palestine
Rekt by NATO.
>Hamas/Hezbollah
Rekt by NATO.
>Ukraine
Soon to be part of NATO.
>Iran
Soon to be rekt by NATO.
>Siberia
Soon to be part of China.

What's the next step of his master plan?

>>63852267
>>63852375
>And the "Russians" living there will hunt them for sport

Tuvans hunted and actively sniped Russians during the 1990s in Tannu Tuva killing hundreds and driving out thousands of Russians back to Moscow.

Tuvans have above replacement fertility and are extremely violent and stabbed Russian conscripts during hazing rituals in the military.

Your image of Russians comes from Hollywood movies. Tons of Russians are urban dwelling skinny nerds wearing glasses who play counter strike.

>>63852224 (OP)
That time when 150 Russian divisions became the Central Asian Pocket ready for reduction.

>>63855293
The Trans Siberian end of the line.

>>63852298
>Fun fact: the Chinese province bordering Russia has more people than all of Russia put together
Both Heilongjiang and Jilin together have less than 60m people.

>>63853121
The other nuclear powers won't do shit if Russia nukes their own land to fend off Chicom forces.

They'll just be deebly gomcerned but Russia will just keep nooking their own territory and will try their best to also absorb the radiation. Chicoms will get scared, lose face and abandon the entire invasion and call Russia a 'loser' because they nooked themselves.

>>63852267
...The Russians have longer supply lines to reach Siberia than the Chinese do.
>Russians living there
That area has been flooded with the Chinese already.

>>63852224 (OP)
They could claim that it was given to them as a gesture of goodwill, maybe Monke can convince Pooh Bear to donate some of the weapons and supplies that were used in the invasio- I mean peaceful government exchange for helping the 3 day SMO if he does a good enough job sucking Chinese dick in this "show of goodwill".

I would unironically shake the hand of every chink shill that's always shitting up the board if Xi uses the exact same casus belli as Russia did in Ukraine to "annex" Siberia just for the absolute apocalyptic amount of ass devastation it would cause Tsar Monke.
>Poor Chinsect people being mistreated in Siberia by meanie Russians!
>We have held a referendum, 110% of the area wishes to become part of grorius China!
>Except because China at least LOOKS competent from the outside people probably unironically WOULD vote for it, no fake shit required. (Chinks being chinks would obviously rig the vote anyway, it's just habit for them)

>>63852224 (OP)
Yes. The area is 100% wilderness and the Chinese are absolutely horrible at expeditionary warfare.

>>63852224 (OP)
I assume their plan for this is lob tactical nooks at anything that isn't a civilian population center and hope things work out from there.
This is also their plan in case of a NATO invasion of eastern Europe.

>>63855309
Well i'm of the opinion that China would split up the occupation of Asia with its allies Mongolia, Tannu Tuva and Afghanistan.

>>63852224 (OP)
Anon, is it easier for you to go rambo at a gas station and take it over, and deal with consequences, or is it just easier to pay the 20 bucks?

>>63852224 (OP)
Russia probably promised china outer manchuria including Sakhalin for their support in taking Ukraine. That's why they can't just throw in the towel and quit.
There are 5 million Russians there and 100+ million Chinese across the border. Many Chinese already live and work there, and Russia has been really iffy about letting them do it.

>>63852267
There is literally 1 rail line going from west to east and its right on the border, all it takes is a short trip over the border to cut off the entire Russian far east.

>>63855735
No its not dumbass.

99% of the Russians who live there live in urban cities near China like Vladivostok.

Russians can't stand living or fighting in the "99% wilderness" areas either.

They'd get nuked desu.
They don't even have to nuke the Chinese mainland they could just nuke the troops marching up southern Russia. Sinxe they aren't nuking another country the rest of the world probably wouldn't care.

The "leaked documents" about the FSB being worried of China taking over Siberia looks fask asf.

It's 100% made by American intelligence.

What is the strategic value of Siberia? Secret mammoth reserve?

>>63856274
It's no big secret that China wants outer manchuria. They've been creeping for years, millions of Chinese now live and work there, and if Putin eats a missile, the Chinese are going to roll tanks and grab it.

>>63856285
They really should do more reserch in the area. We're missing out on mammoth and pre native American fossils.
>>63856301
Nah that's bullshit they won't do shit

>>63852224 (OP)
Why would China invade when they can just buy it up for cheap when Russia runs out of money again?

>>63855681
If you didn't know, China is a nuclear country. Hell more Chinese nukes probably work than Russian nukes.

>>63856301
Strangely the CCP doesn't in practice seem to care that much. Mao willingly gave up Outer Mongolia, which is a huge chunk of land. If we're being practical Siberia is a worthless wasteland.

>>63856338
1+ nuke is in fact more than 0 nukes, yes.

>>63856349
Siberia has the world's greatest untapped reserves of raw minerals and oil, China could replace the iron ore they get from Australia with siberian iron if they had the capital to exploit it.

>>63856338
Yes, but if Russia is tactically nuking advancing Chinese troops, supply lines, forward bases etc on its own soil and irradiating the land China takes, how do more nukes solve that for China?
Escalate to nuking Russia's strategic forces? That will necessarily trigger all-out nuclear war and then you've traded X00,000,000 chinamen or total annihilation for the prize of...Siberia.
As another anon said it's like going to the gas station and getting into a shootout with an armed clerk to avoid paying 40 bucks for gasoline.

>>63856338
IIRC Chinese nuclear doctrine states they can use nukes only if someone nukes them first. Them as their territory not their army they used to invade other country.

>>63853660
Access to the arctic, natural resources, access to Baikal freshwater

>>63855735
All of Russian Far East population lives in Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. If you control these two cities you control Russian far East. Nobody will fight in Siberian wilderness.

>>63852224 (OP)
Nooks!

>>63852267
>Changs will die off from the retardedly long supply lines,
>he thinks Russians don't need supply lines

>>63856666
A smart Russian president would lease everything east of the Ob to the Chinese on a 100 year lease for 40% of the economic value derived from it and the promise to hire at least 25% Russian workers.

>>63855293
>>63855309
>>63855824
HoI II (and by extension Darkest Hour) is the best HoI game and I'm tired of pretending it's not

>>63856672
>give up over half of your territory without a fight
>smart
mein monke? is that you?

>>63856384
How long do you think Siberians will support Putin when he starts nuking them?

>>63856537
This.
People don't realize how fragile Russian East is in war with China. It's connected to Russia by literally one railroad and one road. China with all their long range missiles and stealth planes would have no problems cut off those and Russian East would literally starve to death without any invasion.

Nooks are only hope for Russia in this scenario.

>>63852224 (OP)
Not really. They can't nook as anything they have that might still work changs can answer in kind. No way muscovia is going to risk getting bombed themselves over some province like fucking vladivostok. Puzzia itaelf is literally a two city problem away from stopping existing

That and kursk also demonstrated conventional war in colonial oblasts is fair game

>>63856520
Doctrines mean exactly jack and shit in these dictatorsips. It changes minute by minute depending what the emperor or tzar feels today

>>63855722
Right now, the major downside is that it would give agent orange the excuse he needs to publicly start simping for king monke, including military gear. America has this nasty habit of being the life insurance of vatnikstan always bailing it out when it lands in a pile of self-made shit. This goes beyond nooks and even before WW2

>>63856349
Changs have gotten into the sunken cost quagmire with their taiwan obsession. Right time to do it was after Hainan, but instead Mao, in his infinite wisdom, decided to waste the invasion force in korea. Now they can't abandon the Taiwan wet dream after hyping it for so long without losing face. While the requirements for trying to attack an entrenched fortess island means focusing on costly naval assets. Which is compleyely at odds with what has been and always will be an land empite

>>63855702
Changs are avoiding giving then complete end user weapon systems precisely because they dont want to arm an enemy. Right now, it's an uneasy stalemate between all of them as america is just looking for an excuse to ally with russia

>>63852224 (OP)
China's population is already declining.
Why would they want to fight with Russia over some of the shittiest land on the planet, land that Russia can barely settle.

People who still think russia would (or could) NOOK NOOK are absolutely ignorant retards.
russia will absolutely not risk the destruction of their imperial central cities for siberia.

>>63856979
Why not? Russia is in the same situation and is currently wasting hundreds of thousands of men in the shittiest part of fucking ukraine.

>>63856979
Changs want to be import independent for critical input materials. Siberia is exactly what they need. Demographic doomerism is a meme just like global warming before that and christian judgement/doomsday before the latter

>>63856672
>A smart Russian president would lease everything east of the Ob to the Chinese on a 100 year
Why does a country experiencing a demographic crisis, building ghost cities to prop up its GDP, need Siberian wasteland?

>>63857000
Are you speaking about china or russia?

>>63852224 (OP)
>do anything
Seethe. monke could call up his orange bitch and seethe to her, maybe get some free gibs that won't have any real effect in such a scenario.

>>63855722
Sadly, they cannot go down this road, it would set a precedent of China recognizing the right for self determination of the people, how many pieces of China could use that excuse to secede? It is for this reason that China did not recognize the fake annexations. They Will go down the "Historical territory" rout. Not that I care whence the russian butthurt flows.

>>63856354
>Siberia has the world's greatest untapped reserves of raw minerals and oil
It certainly has a lot off shit, but it's in a remote inhospitable asscrack of the world and remains untapped for a reason. Why spend all that money on a war to get resources that are way more expensive to exploit and require assloads of investment when Bruce over there has a bulk tanker full of iron ore he's more than happy to sell to you?

>>63852224 (OP)
Unironically Noook, nothing else
Anons talk about long supply roads, but China only needs to reach Omsk or Tjumen to basically cut off the whole eastern part of Russia, without Russia having enough manpower or gear to push them out
Sure there will be pockets of russians further north but what are they going do, use Tiksi or another settlement on the arctic ocean coast as a staging ground and then do a 3000km river raid along the Lena or Yenisey?

>>63856979
Stolen land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria

>>63853317
STRENGTH AND MUSCLE AND JUNGLE WORK

>>63853660
Easier to invade Anchorage using Siberia

>>63855824
Based and Golden Horde pilled

>>63857355
>but it's in a remote inhospitable asscrack of the world and remains untapped for a reason
And that reason been Moscovite regime stealing all wealth for it's capital.
If ruled by Americans they would populate it by homesteading, but Russian official are literally shaking with anger at one thought of giving land and freedom to Russian citizens for free.

>>63852224 (OP)
They can't even take a small island just off thier coast. Pathetic.

>>63852224 (OP)
History has proven those places are insufferable otherwise you will find how small amounts of people living there. I mean only when climate change is real like world temperature raise 10 degrees that those land become suitable for living. Otherwise no, besides those resources are not going to utilized due to russian government. Why would China attack them when they can just buy cheap? They are facing a nuclear war for that and chances are both are losing and even it escalates to world nuclear war. So i don't think that will happen in any time. But who knows in a hundred years?

>>63857526
>I mean only when climate change is real like world temperature raise 10 degrees that those land become suitable for living.
The permafrost will turn into noxious swamps but the soil will still be of very poor quality

>>63852442
Mayak is lovely any time of year.

>>63857532
again, the world don't lack resource country. China is deeply merged into global trade and the last thing they need is land. You still don't get it. Trade and technology are the best weapons and China have both. They don't need those land for nationalism as it's not helping the economic reality. No one in China except nationalists want land. Being gigantic isn't helping them. In fact it's a threat. That's how Russia fell so hard because how much land they got in the end sent them to graves. Russia now can either loot or war against weak countries or thy are in a dead end.

>>63857546
You're hallucinating a response, I said none of that stuff. In fact I kinda agreed with you.

>>63852224 (OP)
Mongols make their counter attack

>>63852267
>"Russians" living there
Chinese?

>>63856916
>Which is compleyely at odds with what has been and always will be an land empite

China had a superior navy in before ironclad watship era in the 19th century.

Chinese wooden and sail naval warships defeated Japan in every naval wat before the 19th century, Japan had numerical superiority at Baekgang and Noryang when Chinese ships massacred them.

Japan only became a naval power after the Meiji restoration when Britain built their modern naval fleet.

Japan had to beg the Dutch for ships when they planned to invade the Spanish Philippines because Japan's navy was terrible before the 19th century, Japan lost to outnumbered Portuguese at Fukuda Bay (Chinese defeated Portuguese navy at Tamão and Veniaga and defeated the Dutch at Pescadores and Liaoluo bay and Taiwan )

So no, you're wrong, China was the dominant naval power in East Asia before the 19th century.

>>63852224 (OP)
well aside from nuking and causing devastating casualties nothing, on the other hand why would china shoot it in the head like that?