Thread 63857867

I have never trusted my life more to any firearm more than my m9. It is the most accurate pistol I've owned by far, easy enough to carry, feeds more reliably than a cow, eats cheap 9mm budget ammo like a pig eats slop, and doesn't give a shit if it's dirty or clean, as long as it has some oil. I'd sooner grab this gun than my shotgun or ak for home defense, that's how deeply I trust it. It's also far more maneuverable. Recoil is comically insignificant and I would trust this with 2 mags to get me out of any situation possible, though I don't carry a spare mag (except in the truck) because it's already such a capable piece without one.

I'm wholly convinced that no better firearm exists for the common man than the M9, at least not when it comes to personal protection.

>>63857867 (OP)
I really like the 92 fs too, it's a super comfy firearm. It's also my main handgun. That being said, at the end of the day it's just a pistol tho, no need to be overly autistic about it.

The orig 92fs doesn't have a replacable / dovetailed front sight tho which is a bummer. But yeah other than that I see no issues with it.

92 was my second choice for a handgun. The fact that it's reliable AND aesthetic is rare, these days. Seems like we're trading one for the other, looking specifically at HK pistols.

>>63857867 (OP)
Nice blog, wordy motherfucker.
>>63857897
>second choice for a handgun
Mine, too. Dan Wesson in .44 1st. Power, then capacity for backup.

>>63857906
how do you like the compact berettas? compact HK pistols feel identical to their fullsize counterparts and that's appealing to me. What's the cheetah like?

I would buy a Beretta, but I don't want people associating me with the LGBT community

>>63857930
Post gun

>>63857949
ignore him. he's obsessed with some fag on the /hg/ thread. they take turns pulling eachother's dicks. It's gay.

>>63857949
I don't take orders from troons

>>63857927
>compact berettas
I don't have one. Mine is a 92FS. I have passed on compact Berettas I shouldn't have.

>>63857960
Sounds like you're obsessed with gay cock, anon

>>63857930
>stupid
Mind broke, much? Or are you just parroting a lame meme, haha?

>>63857927
The 92 Compact is just a 92 but smaller, it still has a 4.25 inch barrel so it doesn’t recoil that bad.

The Beretta PX4 Compact is the best compact DA/SA ever made

>reliable, and reliably eats cheap ammo and works the same dirty or clean
this is inarguably most appealing feature of any handgun.

POST GLOCK OR GET THE COCK BITCHES

i bought one of the m1951 1975 productions ages ago and have yet to get around to actually taking it out. does anyone have one of these?

>>63858067
>>63858065
>>63858060
find Christ, anon.

>>63858080
I think you have a responsibility to take it shooting and tell the world about it, anon. That's a cool find.

>>63857867 (OP)
Yeah it's a good handgun. The army is fucking stupid for replacing them with that sigshit.

>>63858084
At this point it's pretty obvious there's some corruption going on with sig and the gov

Has anybody put the Wilson Combat rear sight on theirs? Which Height did you get?

This but Glock 17

>>63858535
WE NEED A NEW HANDGUN FOR THE US ARMY!!!
>fills the exact same fucking roll for gate waivers to look at IDs all day

>>63857867 (OP)
Anon literally any handgun you find in a gun shop will do the same.

>>63858583
.270 is the standard height, it’s what I used for these Novak sights on my compact

.290 is for Brigadiers/Vertec IIRC and .320 is for brigadiers/Elites with taller sights like the Elite. There’s a guide online if you google 92 sight heights

>>63857867 (OP)
Issued one, absolute fucking pile of shit. Far less reliable than the government issue 1911s or the 17s. Just fucking annoying garbage. Not sure how the fuck it was adopted.

>>63859166
The mean round count between failure of the late service 1911s was around 150 rounds as a control where the M9s went 1700 and P226 went 2200

>>63859184
Also the original M1911 trial pistols went 6000 rounds without a single failure or stoppage

>>63857949
Good beer choice

I love my 92FS so much I'm thinking of trying out carrying it in a shoulder holster in winter

>>63859353
Google AI is wrong

>>63857927
I have a 92 inbox, s, and a cheetah in .32, they are all great. I also have an old tomcat, minx, and jetfire, which are also all great. I also have a px4 subcompact, which is also, Grrrrrrrreat. Tony approves of beretta.

Anyone have a 92GTS? I want a 92 but I can't decide on M9A1/92XI/92GTS/M9A4

>>63859517
haha you're fun.

>>63859589
Me included, but all the Beretta fans I’ve seen hate the GTS and other frame lever models. It’s them catering to people who don’t like Beretta 92s, the slide safety/decocker (ultimately decocker only) is superior to the frame mounted one. On a DA/SA you don’t need a safety or the ability to decock without breaking the firing grip. There’s no tactical need to ever decock without breaking grip. I don’t like the lever position since it makes my grip weird, it’s in the way of my thumb. I could probably get used to it.

If any frame safety model, I’d get the 92Xi SAO.

The 92X RDO or the LTT Elite 92 (from PSA, just a base gun no LTT trigger job) is what I would get. The LTT 92 is 700 dollars from PSA, has aftermarket thin grips (great), and a stainless barrel paired with the classic M9A1 frame. It’s the ultimate 92 in my opinion, except missing the Langdon trigger job.

It’s the base gun from the factory that Langdon receives to customize, so that’s why it’s missing the Langdon work.

>>63859184
The issue m9s can't get through a fucking single mag without a failure half the time. The old 1911s fire flawlessly over and over. The issue glocks in multiple countries I've encountered also function flawlessly. The m9 was absolutely hands down the worst mil issue pistol I ever personally encountered.
As for the original 1911 trials. Yeah, 6000 rounds and they were dunking it in a barrel of water to cool it the fuck down. Try that with the m9 and watch how quickly you have a catastrophic failure.

>>63859656
Noted, thanks for the writeup.

Honestly I think want I want is just a bone stock inox 92FS with the manual safety, but with the vertec frame and the beefy USMC trigger guard. I like that you can just put the palm swell grip panel on the straight frame.

Extremely overhyped firearm, just get a vp9 or a USP9 if you insist on a hammer

>>63857867 (OP)
Get a model 96FS Inox and drop in a .357 sig barrel and you have a winner

>>63859798
Neither of which you own.

>>63859920
I sold my full size vp9, I have a vp9sk that I carry and after trying out different hammer fired guns I decided on the HK45 just because I have enough 9mm gats

There is literally nothing special or nice about the Berettas it's all empty hype cry moar and move on

>>63859798
>>63859939
You cannot get a 6 pound DA pull in a shitty HK DA/SA chud. There is no amount of magic match kit trigger job shit you can do to make a USP trigger as good as a Beretta trigger, I will admit the match kit SA pull is great, but the DA pull is a fucking staple gun still. Plus the match kit makes the reset less positive.

>>63859798
>VP9
lol. If he wants a striker fired gun he should get a PDP.
>USP9
Absolute dogshit to shoot. The Beretta is noticeably nicer.

>>63859967
I don't give a fuck about 6lb DA trigger pull if the gun is still in DA when it's pulled for use I'd rather have the first shot with the 11lb trigger otherwise I'm fine with taking a second to cock it
>>63859980
I've shot the pdp enough to have a strong preference for the vp9 anyway. Also the USP9 shoots great idk what you're on about, sounds like a skill issue. I'd rather have that USP9 on my hip if I was deep inmawoods with a wendigo after me any day

I wish they made exactly the M9A4 in Inox. The 92X RDO Inox is basically what I'm describing except I want the USMC spec jawbreaker trigger guard

>>63860019
>I don’t care that the Hk has a shitty trigger
lol

>>63857927
I have my grandpa's old .32 acp Puma as a pocket gun, and for being a compact pistol, it feels pretty ergonomic in my massive hands. It's been used in a couple of defensive shootings (one with gramps and one with pops), and I fully trust it when it's my turn. Partly because she's 2-0, and partly because I have a TISAS 1911A1 repro with 17 Hornady CD hollow points ready to go if eight .32 hollow points aren't enough.

>>63860091
Skill issue, get good

>>63859939
>>63860019
You didn't sell shit because you never owned one to sell. Which is why you're posting your gay little costanza shiggy instead of any of dozens of incidental images of a gun you actually owned.

You're so transparent it's funny. Why you're pretending to know anything and continue posting I can't even guess.

I want to put a dumb, brick-shaped laser and/or light on an M9 but can't find one that matches the look I want.

I went for a 92 Brigadier mainly because I like that it has a removable front sight. The hump looked a bit off but I've gotten used to it.

>>63860104
Let’s go back to >>63859939

>There is literally nothing special or nice about the Berettas it's all empty hype cry moar and move on
The Berettas have a better trigger than your example, the USP 9, stock and aftermarket they are leaps and bounds better. Except maybe the Lazy Wolf USPs but those are 400 dollar trigger jobs and I suspect there is a little buyers remorse behind their praise. To the one anon who owns one, Lazy Wolf LEM is not what I’m talking about.

>>63860127
Retro lights are unobtainium for the 92 plus you need an adapter. The one good metal adapter, Surefire MR-1 or something, is 300 dollars if you can find one. EZ rail makes a good polymer one the same style.

The TLR9 is sufficiently blocky

>>63857867 (OP)
Handguns can never replace rifles. Pistols have inherently lower accuracy than rifles and even if they didn't, rifles are more stable and it is easier to get shots on target with them. Any advantages they win with "maneuverability" are largely nullified by the fact that people aren't getting into gunfights inside port-a-potties.

>>63860105
Please don't project your personal failings onto me, seek mental help instead

>>63860174
>sold it
>oh wait still have it
>unicode file name
Oops.

>>63860174
So you don't have a USP but are talking about DA/SAs. Cool. This proves what?

>>63860162
But anon, don't you have fights in closets all the time when you try to come out of them and your parents get mad?

FWIW I 99% agree with you. I just wanted an excuse to call someone a faggot.

>>63860127
Look into finding an old Laser Devices Inc one

>>63860162
You cannot carry a rifle with you everywhere and to the average American a handgun is much more relevant to the 2A. Handguns also account for the vast majority of all gun deaths.

>>63860186
Dude, I have looked high and low. A friend of mine says he used to see them at the gun show all the time but hasn't for the last few years.
>>63860148
That's close but I want more slab. The Laser Devices BA-2 has the Time Crisis look I'm going for.

>>63860195
Tlr10 is slightly larger since it has a laser

>>63860176
That's an sk retard. Also do newfags really upload photos without cleaning them up first? Unbelievable to see how far this board has fallen

some gay ass booshit that thing is brand new

>>63860187
I by no means am saying handguns don't have their purposes, but OP saying he'd trust his life to a pistol over an ak for home defense???

>>63860187
>You cannot carry a rifle with you everywhere

were getting pretty close

>>63860201
That's an option. I wish it were more S L A B but it looks decent. Thanks.

>>63860181
I don't have a USP because I have enough 9 flavored gats, I like some variety. I have spent enough rounds shooting it that it's my ideal recommendation for any looking for a hammer fired 9mm. My go to hammer fired is the HK45 because I got a great deal on it and it's close enough to the USP, any hair splitting on it is autism at that point and not any differences in real world performance

>>63860207
4chan hasn't had metadata outside /p/ for 10 years you fucking ultranewfag poser. You're removing literally nothing. Where's your USP you're such an expert on?

>>63860244
>Implying the file name doesn't reveal information
>Implying the metadata totally vanishes into the void
Kek, newfags

>>63860019
>Also the USP9 shoots great idk what you're on about
The worst shooting pistols I’ve owned have been HKs. The only one I still have left is a police trade in USP40 LEM because it was dirt cheap. The Beretta 92 and Walther PDP are better in every metric that matters.

>>63860251
being paranoid because you're ignorant is not a cool trait

>>63860251
4chan file dynamics are apparently just another thing you're a false-expert on. You have no idea what you're talking about, and your attempt to divert the conversation away from your stolen image of a gun you don't own has not gone unnoticed.

>>63860259
>>63860264
Why are the zoomers that came to 4chan during the election influxes so technologically illiterate? Back in 2005 the user base was more well versed in basic tech than the average person, what a baffling change. I did read that the average zoomer these days can't tell their ass from an HDMI port, is that just a side effect of the times?

>>63860281
zoomers are younger. younger people have less experience.

>>63860290
The people on 4chan during that time were younger too

>>63860297
how would you know? they were all anonymous.

>>63860222
That poor single screw holding onto dear life on that Phlster

>>63860301
I've met a whole bunch of people from here and they were generally in their teens in the mid 00s with a few outliers

>>63860281
I don't care which anon you are but I've been here since 2k6 and you are a fucking retard.

>>63857867 (OP)
92fs or 92a1?

>>63860301
The bulk of us are early-mid 30's-60's. We never left. This new generation is retarded and there's no way around that.

>>63860328
Limp peen of limited size or not, the USP still mogs the Berettas

>>63860317
>I've met a whole bunch of people from here

ya cause only kids want to meet up

>>63860333
>This new generation is retarded and there's no way around that.

literally every generation says that about the next generation.

>>63860348
and they've all been correct

>>63857874
I have a 92X. Love the DA/SA, and I dig the included irons. Hate that I need an LTT plate for a dot to not look ridiculous. Don’t like the stock vertec grips OR the included wrap around, both are too small for me. Also, I seem to have a lot of failures with 115 grain ammo. Failure to feeds, stovepipes, etc.

>>63860369
Boomers are greedy, lazy, have inflexible worldviews, and the only thing they are good at is draining tax money from people who actually have to work for a living and want to improve the world.

Based

>>63860253
>lol, I only kept an HK because it was cheap
Cool bro, how long is the line to suck your cock? Should I make reservations now or....

>>63857867 (OP)
do the steel parts sets come back in stock often and how much of a pain in the ass is it to change the trigger and safety

>>63860639
trigger is super easy, safety is difficult and should be done in a large white garbage bag or a jumbo ziplock bag due to the amount of small pins and springs.

The M9A3 decocker is what you should use, the safety assembly is more complicated and the M9A3 decocker is a simplification that makes it much easier to install. Should still be done in a plastic bag though. The M9A3 kit comes with extra plungers and springs since Beretta is nice.

Langdon Tactical has a few options for triggers and often has G decocker kits instock (right now they don't).

>>63860614
Hks aren't expensive, just overpriced

>>63860335
t. noguns

>>63860407
You must be 18 to post here, marxist.

>>63860614
>getting butthurt for no reason
Why?

>>63857867 (OP)
My dad gave me his 92fs, I have never had a single jam. I genuinely believe it is the best handgun I have ever owned.

>>63859877
Damn, I didn't know they made those, that's hot.

>>63858080
My brother has one of these, I didn't think they were very common. It's his favorite handgun that he has. Neat gun anon

Its probably the most autistic gun I own

>>63860709
t. Buttmad Beretta fangoy

>>63860835
wow those grips look really bad. did you take em off an airsoft gun? youd think somebody would have made a good version for black lagoon fans by now.

>>63860859
Yeah they're absolutely shit. And yes, they are from an airsoft gun. I need to replace them, but I stripped the screw like a fucking retard.

>>63860864
>he used a 7/64 driver when he should have used a 2mm

Maybe you can hammer in a slightly oversized torx bit

>>63860873
Yeah, I'll probably just take them to an adult to get it fixed up.

>>63860877
then you have to show an adult those grips.

>>63860892
Yeahhhh, thats why I haven't gone yet lol and its been like a year. I have the day off tomorrow, maybe I'll give it a try.

>>63858009
P2000sk would like a word w u

>>63860924
I don't know about that chief

>>63860909
if you dont care about the grips cut a slot into the screw with a hacksaw or dremel.

>>63860955
He's right. Also that pistol is hideous. 90% of any gun is aesthetics, if it can't get that right it aint worth jack

>>63859877
Didn't older 96 frames used to crack when shooting a lot of .40? .357 sig seems like a recipe for disaster.

>>63860967
Yeah after our short discussion I had a light bulb moment and broke apart the shit airsoft grips to get to the screws. Thanks to the cheap ass plastic moldings they weren't even screwed very deep into the frame so I was able to hand unscrew the stripped

>>63860328
Grim

>>63860743
Boredom

>>63857867 (OP)
I whole heartedly agree. I've since switched to the 40 cal version. Just as reliable.

>>63861006
Not him, but I looked into building out a 96 in .357 a couple of years back. It's not the frame, but the locking block that starts to develop cracks. I never went through with the project because Barsto discontinued making .357 barrels for the model.

>>63861139
EFK Fire Dragon still makes them as far as I know.

>>63860955
I've always wanted a PX4, but even when they were only $350, I passed because the ergos were terrible compared to every other gun I was cross shopping it with. My first impression was that there's no grip texture and I couldn't dig into the beavertail how I like, so I moved on. I'm also really surprised that people are paying over $700 for them now before all the aftermarket stuff.

>>63861190
There’s 3 different backstraps and personally I really like the PX4 grip. The lack of texture is fixed just like how it’s fixed in a Glock, with grip tape. I have finger strength so I can clamp on it fine and not need texture on the sides

>>63860328
sorry about your foreskin

>>63860328
This place is still alright sometimes

>>63860835
>>63860864
DSGrips makes Cutlass Grips and lets you choose the medallion and grip color

>>63858990
Except the sig shoots you in the leg every now and then lmao

>>63860162
I like the concept that a handgun is meant to provide you a way to fight yourself to your rifle. In that sense, you do trust your life with it, as it's going to be way more accessible to you all the time than your rifle, but obviously rifles are infinitely better in anything other than size and conceilability.

>>63859656
I never understood why people have an issue with the safety on the slide. I think it's comfy. You can hit it with your right thumb as you're building your grip when pulling from holster quite easily, and you're going to operate it if you re-holster or want to move it to safe for whatever reason mid-shooting with your left thumb. I think most people just don't realize this. But maybe i'm doing it weird idk

>>63861967
If it was just a safety it would be ok. But then there's the decocker making it impossible to carry cocked and locked there's another downside that there is less available slide area to actually grip compared to other contemporary guns.

>>63861997
If you're in such a bad area that you want to have it cocked and locked, it's better to just have it on double action and safety off IMO...

>>63861139
Find a Brigadier model, I always regret selling mine. It was even an Inox model too. I literally did it to downgrade to a basic bitch 1911.

>>63862093
Sad. I've only heard good things about the brigadiers. I haven't shot any but I'm keeping an eye out for them

>>63861190
It's a cargo cult gun, your average gun owner still will never buy one. I've had one since I was old enough to own pistols, the rare sub compact that even the current cult won't get because it doesn't have the rotating barrel, but also because it was discontinued so they can't get one.

>>63862116
I just live with the choice but later on I inherited a 96 fs standard and tricked it out with the LTT trigger job and it blew me away how good it was. If you can't find a brig just inspect the falling block and slide whenever you clean it and buy a spare block. Just like how when I bought an SP-01 I bought a roll pin punch and like 25 of the proper roll pins for the firing block part that breaks if you dry fire it enough. I do dry fire a lot because I hate leaving my house to go to the range.

>>63860713
Boomers can bellyache about "marxism" all day but change their tune real quick when they are promised taxpayer dollars. The fact of the matter is that social security is literally socialism.

>>63862157
This, cancel social security. Sink or swim faggots. Hopefully you weren't cunts to your kids.

>>63862157
Its not but you tried i guess

>>63862206
Fuck those old faggots. Social security was made to destroy the multi-generational American family. It exists to create loyalty to the evil state.

>>63862214
No one is loyal to the state because of social security you dumb kid. Cant wait to line all you commie faggots against the wall.

>>63862220
"Nuh uh, you're the real communists for not redistributing wealth!"
(Receives social security check)

>>63862232
>lets shoot boomers so we can replace them with even more retarded, feminized zoomers
>if you dont agree with me youre old
I cant wait to shoot you all.

>>63862220
Talk to a boomer about how you shouldn't have to pay into SS because the "elected" officials are talking about cutting it off for younger people but are expecting young people to continue to pay into it until then for retired fags that play golf at 7am and old fucking hags that clutch pearls at cable news all day. We should be liquidating these people on principle.

>>63862220
>Cant wait to line all you commie faggots against the wall.

yeah you can, you're doing it right now. you will never do anything unless its socially acceptable.

post a pic of someone else 'doing something' several years ago as proof that you will do something.

>>63862276
This, unironically. I don't understand how young people can support a system that so clearly, unironically, fucks them over. It's a literal ponzi scheme, and they go along with it. Unfuckingbelievable

>>63862276
>talk to a boomer about how retarded they are
>says some zoom zoom
>>63862394
Youre literally crying about MUH SOCIAL SECURITY but probably dont pay taxes.
>>63862435
There isnt a choice dipshit. Are you even in the US? Probably not.

>>63862254
That would be difficult to do without a gun, you no guns thirdie

>>63858080
I have one. These have a design where the locking block will break first to protect other components, if you plan to shoot it a lot then go ahead and buy a backup for when it inevitably happens

>>63862545
>There isnt a choice
There's always a choice, my man.
But even then, first step is admitting it's a fucking scam and holding the boomers accountable, considering they are beneficiaries of a fucking PONZI SCHEME

>>63859692
>The issue glocks in multiple countries I've encountered also function flawlessly
Except when held in a slightly less than advantageous position that causes "limp wristing." Like firing one handed while injured or on the ground.

>>63857867 (OP)
While I personally like my USP more the M9 is right up there in number 2 maybe number 3. They're great guns very pleasant shooting, and I used to recommend them to anyone looking to try a 9mm for the first time.

>>63860162
I can daily carry a handgun though. I cannot daily carry my maverick 88, supernova, or le6920 to work, especially not in scrubs in the medical field. They serve much different roles. I also can't just draw a shotgun quickly when met with an immediate threat at a gas station or something. Handguns are there when you need them.

In fact, I also couldn't carry an m9 in scrubs. Or my lcr, or my p238 without printing. My only actually usable option is my .22 mag black widow, as it's small enough to pocket carry in scrubs without worrying about printing. It's also what I carry in my shorts at home, but it's just for peace of mind to break contact and get me to my shotgun if someone were to break in fast enough for me to need to use it.

>>63862762
You and I will never see a return in our ssi investment. Awareness of this is critical. If you're not supported by proper generational wealth when your parents pass to help pad your future retirement, you better invest in property quick. Pay off your house, even a cheap starter home, then get a new one and pay that off too. Over and over again until you retire. Hopefully you can either live off of rentals or live off the liquidation of appreciating assets.

>>63862817
clipdraw nigga

>>63862836
Or just rob banks, pussy

>>63862843
Yeah but without a belt still kinda heavy enough to sag.

>>63862923
valid, though I can comfortably carry a PPK/S with one with gym shorts. Just gotta tie the drawstring tight.

The ones Beretta used to cheat with during the trials had aluminum frames that exploded without warning. The issue models with the steel frames which made them heavier than the competition and would have disqualified the firearm just crack. Still, much better off than M17. I have one, it was my issue, works okay, hates Israeli ammo for some reason.

>>63862973
1. The issued ones aren’t steel. They’re aluminum, they’ve always been aluminum. Only a few rare models are steel, and the new 92X Performance.
2. The “explosions” happened after it was adopted.
3. The explosions were the slide cracking and splitting in two due to the Winchester/Olins corporation fucking up and infecting the ammo supply with proof level loads, notably a Navy seal was hit in the face with the rear half of the slide. This caused Beretta to redesign the gun from the 92F (F for federal acceptance) into the 92FS (S for safe), where they cut a notch in the slide and a enlarged hammer pin to catch the slide if it snaps in two due to there being no way to recall the proof level loads in US military circulation.

>>63863058
Mine's steel.
Besides you can buy one on eBay now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156720645012?msockid=1604b4f5a4d0602c0029a2e5a50b6125

>>63863268
No it’s not.

>>63857927
I have the cheetah 81 and 84 which are both great, but the 80x is awesome. The double action trigger is butter smooth.

>>63857867 (OP)
yeah, theyre great.

>>63862973
Where would have even heard that bullshit from? The only correct thing you said is that it’s better than the M17. I still don’t understand why they would go through incredible expense to replace a 9mm pistol with another 9mm pistol.

>>63863318
M17s are sold to the U.S. military at a loss, they’re like 200 dollars per gun including magazines. Knuckle draggers have difficulty learning a DA/SA trigger pull, so the light striker fired trigger of the M17 is preferred, NDs be damned.

>>63862126
I had one of those for a while. Stores around me didn't wanna buy it because it was a gun that just couldn't sell. Finally found a store that would buy it off me, I lost money on it. It felt good in the hand, but was overall lame. Thing was fugly.

>>63862578
supposedly the 1975 productions fix or mitigate this flaw

>>63862763
That applies to any pistol with a slide and no gas system.

>>63857867 (OP)
Completely obsolete without the charm nor buttery smooth trigger of the 1911. Grim.

>>63860222
The flux raider is fucking awesome. I'm considering getting into 3d printing just so i can create a conversion kit like that for the 92 fs (i love that platform).
Am i retarded? Is there any reason why this is a fool's endeavour?

>>63864322
I’ve shot a raider and it was throughly unimpressive

>>63863565
Let me guess, no pictures of it?

>>63864350
The 365 or the 320 one? The 365 seems so small it really only has niche use(compared to the 320). Even the 320 one doesn't strike me as a fun to shoot gun so much as the best show in town at that size/weight range. Only real competition afaik is the TP9 which has a surprising amount of issues

>>63864350
Apparently there's the KPOS AMP Fab Defense that fits the 92FS. Costs like 200$ tops.
Idk man, I just like the idea. Might be thoroughly disappoitned by it. I saw a few guys in a local comp with smth like that, might ask to have a shot next time

>>63862126
Sorry to say, it might be a good gun but it just looks like a micropenis.

In my opinion, the Beretta 92 is the most beautiful handgun ever made.

>>63862763
>>limp wristing
Ive never seen it happen unless someone was trying to make it happen. That's not a flaw in the firearm. Limp wristing is the result of taking poor shooting form to the absolute extreme. An average size adult can shoot one handed, laying down, using the thumb, index and pointer only and not encounter a "limp wrist" malfunction.

based i have one too and love it.
conflicted if i should do a few simple mods (LTT/beretta competition parts) or just leave it as is

>>63857867 (OP)
based as fuck

>>63864743
Just get the LTT trigger bar and the 14 or 16 pound hammer spring, it’s basically what the 92X RDO comes with but slightly better.

>>63857867 (OP)
Do you guys perfer the slanted or straight 92 frames/dust covers? I think the slant looks better imo, but I have a straight frame anyway.

>>63861967
>never understood why people have an issue with the safety on the slide
I used M9s a lot when I was in and for some reason I could never reach the safety without twisting my grip to reach it. I had instructors baffled at my inability to do so. Only pistol Ive ever had that issue, and I carry a Makarov so its not like I have a bias against them. I actually quite like the 92 otherwise

>>63864857
straight frame solely because it doesn't have the retard mark engraved in it

>>63860924
Are the LEM triggers really better than the stock DA/SA
>>63861190
>>63862126
>passed on one with two mags for 200 pre coof
>still hate myself for it

>>63864322
the p320 flux is 3d printed, albeit pro-level printing.

>>63864350
its a pistol with a stock what exactly were you expecting? it recoils better than most PCCs and weighs like half as much.

>>63864743
>feet
based

>>63864398
the 365 can use a flush 6" barrel which is pretty sick but its not super comfortable to shoot with the brace. the P320 flux is chunkier but the brace is spring loaded which is cool and its more comfortable. the 320 also just has as nicer trigger.

>>63863565
>Finally found a store that would buy it off me

anon its called armslist.

>>63857867 (OP)
Is this a copypasta where you replaced references to a CZ-75 descendent with M9?

>>63857867 (OP)

Since all are around the sameish price, M9, 92FS, or Brigadier for a classic Beretta with no rails? (Swapping grips is fine.)

>>63858990
>This nigga thinks there will be 40 year old P320s in service
I know they cost Uncle Sam like $190 a unit through (((sig))) math but the next, next scandal of the p320 after NDs will be some endemic plastics degradation or serialized component fatigue issue that shows the army will have to buy 9 of them over the projected life of the "platform" to keep the number of pistols they need in service

>>63865285
M9 has no READ MANUAL BEFORE USE stamped onto the frame

>>63865285
Brigadier has swappable sights
92FS is a 92FS, exactly the way it was baring a few differences from 1985
M9 is a 92FS but with military markings and no lawyer text
M9A1 is a M9 with a rail
LTT 92 is a M9A1 with a M9A3 slide (swappable sights), the stripped down no trigger job version should be around 700-750

>>63857867 (OP)
>cant even kill a liberal politician

>>63857927
Extremely wide don’t listen to the beretta cult. They suck for carry unless you don’t mind printing.

>>63865680
that's what I noticed on handgun hero. Same issue with the HK compacts. Taking a few inches off the front does not a compact make.

>>63866982
Handgun hero does not have the correct scaling for some guns and if you carry appendix printing is not the end of the world since no one is looking at your groin

>>63865528
>92FS is a 92FS, exactly the way it was baring a few differences from 1985
i.e. uglier and shittier in almost every way

>>63857867 (OP)
How do you carry it concealed in the summer?

>>63860955
hey, nice hi-point collection!

>>63865287
I honestly don't even understand, you could have another fresh batch of m9s last another 30+ years of constant service and have parts compatibility going to other models.

My M9 "Special Edition" is one of my favorite guns in my collection:

>one of 5000 made
>very first run of commercial M9s Beretta sold in the late 90s
>all parts are marked with the part number and/or cage code, exactly like the USGI parts minus the addition of a "C" stamp (for "commercial")
>slide is "P M" proof marked
>guide rod, trigger, safety selector, and mag release assembly are STEEL (not plastic)
>came in a cool box with lots of accessories (if you google it you will see pics)

The only difference between this and the USGI M9 is the serial number format and the slide having the stylized "(PB)" whereas the USGI slides have "(PB)" in an Arial type font.

>>63868647
That's very cool, Anon. I'm quite jealous. I love my 92FS Inox that was made in 2023 but I would love to own an older one from the 80s or 90s without all the lawyer text.

>>63868735
You can still find them for sale on gunbroker from time to time. They are very much a IYKYK type gun so usually there won't be much competition if it is an auction. But they are not cheap. I paid $1400 after shipping/tax/FFL fees for mine and it was NIB/unfired which is about what they go for on average.

>>63868788
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Always on the hunt for more unicorns

I hate the beretta 92fs and I'm stuck with one. I'd shoot myself with it but I don't even want to honor the gun with that. The sights? Terrible. Grip? Too wide. Those issues can't be fixed. Want a rail? GL finding a holster that accommodates sf mr adapter. It's also heavy and limited on capacity. If you bought into the 92fs cult early, you got setup with 15 rd mags that cannot be easily modified to accept higher. Yes, there are higher capacity mags out there now, but you're telling me I have to buy new mags? The gun is heavier for the same capacity a glock 17 offers. Before you @ me with some form of "well modern berettas are just as good," I will speak the truth inshallah. Those that like "modern" berettas are gun hipsters who can't afford 2011's. It's cold because it's true.

heres my 92g-sd

>>63868068
Beretta floated the flat dark earth custom ceracoat $1000 m9a3 with the vertex grip system as their entry instead of putting a threaded barrel on the m9a1 they sell for $450, then selling it to Uncle Sam for less than that.

Not even sigger tricks would have been able to unseat Beretta if they hadn't tried to upsell instead of modernize. Armory infrastructure and avoiding retraining is worth more than the ~$200 price difference between a Tupperware sig pistol and the m9, but not apparently worth $800. Considering the basic bitch 92x has most of the a3 improvements at $500 commercially it was largely greed and bad math out of pastaland that handed the contract to bigsig and it's shittiest pistol.

>>63869073
>but you're telling me I have to buy new mags?
Do you not have 5+ mags for each autoloader you own?

>>63865229
Hottt

I think I want an M9A1 but I want to swap the slide to one that will accept dovetailed sights. Is this feasible?

>>63870212
Never mind I forgot this is exactly what I'm describing and is a bargain
https://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-92g-elite-ltt-9mm-pistol-j92g9lttm.html

>>63869073
Am I being memed? Is 17 that significant over 15 in any real scenario?

>>63864724
>That's not a flaw in the firearm.

yes it is. 100%. there are some guns that you simply cannot limp wrist and i think thats a very important thing to consider when picking a defensive pistol. my glock 43 wont jam even if you shoot it with a dead wrist though my PX4 absolutely will.

>>63870360
>there are some guns that you simply cannot limp wrist and i think thats a very important thing to consider when picking a defensive pistol. my glock 43 wont jam even if you shoot it with a dead wrist

BULL. FUCKING. SHIT.
There are countless threads about the 43 doing exactly that.
Try again no-guns faggot

>>63861006
Not the inox ones

>>63859656
>Me included, but all the Beretta fans I’ve seen hate the GTS and other frame lever models.
NTA but I don't understand why this is the case or how some anons claim that Beretta kinds screwed it up (IIRC SA trigger quality) when they already have made the frame safety cheetah for how many years now? I want to go feel a frame safety 92 one day followed by a Cheetah to see if there's really a difference (other than used Cheetahs being much cheaper) but lucky me, my local store of choice that would actually sell such a thing is retarded and puts massive locks on handguns due to one previous incident years ago (thanks Cabelas for being fucking retarded).

>>63863296
Fug, I should just buy a surplus cheetah and a threaded barrel.

>>63870635
>THERES NO WAY U OWN A G43!

what an odd thing to crash out over.

>>63870360
No matter how hard you cry it is still not a flaw in the firearm. If you want to consider it as one be my guest. Announcing it however makes you look beyond retarded. The Glock 17 is the most widely used military and police sidearm in history. That doesn't happen when the firearm has ANY serious flaws in use.
Now fuck right off pea brain.

>>63872280
then how come there ARE handguns (like the APX) that don't FTF when you limpwrist?

>>63859589
I like mine, boss. But it’s also the first pistol I picked up after being nogunz for almost a decade.

>>63872332
>>apx
Failure to feed, failure to eject, lockback issues, ammo sensitivity, accuracy issues, magazine issues, and on and on
Good question, why does the APX exist? Its a pile of shit.
Limp wristing is a meme. It doesn't happen in the real world. Just in youtubeland.

>>63872734
>Limp wristing is a meme. It doesn't happen in the real world. Just in youtubeland.
You mean when literally every cop with a glock in hand gets in a self defense shooting and has a ftf/fte?

>>63872734
>why does the APX exist? Its a pile of shit.

you've never even touched one and are judging it entirely on its looks.

>>63872807
Tard hit you square in the face. Most issued, most deployed, most used sidearm in military and police history worldwide.
The ill formed opinion of some scrawny dupshit kid based on YouTube nonsense doesn't matter. You dont matter.

>>63872835
Im judging the APX on its demonstrated recorded performance. Or lack thereof in this case. Facts over feelings

It's alright

>>63872844
>Facts over feelings

you're the only one ITT whos feelings are visible through text

>>63857867 (OP)
its the one i have with a light next to my bed. not the funnest to shoot, not the fanciest, but i know that it wont fail me.

>>63872930
While discussing the G17, one of the most reliable sidearms in history bringing up one of the least reliable the APX, exposes your complete and total lack of experience and expertise on the subject. You really dont have a clue and it shows. But great primary school comeback.

>>63872971
>one of the least reliable

i shoot uspsa with my apx and ive never had issues. you are probably thinking of the APX Carry, the rebranded beretta nano. THAT thing sucked ass.

>>63865229
what's the point of an extended mag and a laser on a compact pistol

>fun
acceptable response

>>63873215
If you can conceal carry a stock fullsize then you can carry a compact or subcompact with crap on it

>>63873049
>Beretta nano
>2000lb main spring under smooth bare steel low profile slide, assuring all but the coomerest of gooner would lack the deathgrip to rack and clear the gun under duress or even chamber it
>Smooth plastic frame thin where you'd want it thick and thick where you'd want it thin, exactly 2 fingers of grip real estate for zero shootability
>H&K magazine release, so low profile and under so much pressure from the magazine follower that it's fully ambidextrous...ly inoperable from a shooting grip
>Non drop free magazines priced conveniently at $99.99 +tip+non capacity grip expanding baseplate not included because lol lmao

Out of all the guns that sat perpetually in the Beretta case the Nano sure was one of them when I was behind the counter. The subcompact scramble of the mid to late 201Xs was a fumble for a lot of companies. The tilt barrel PX4subcompact (I have) isn't the bell of the ball either but besides being a fat bitch is at least a proper handgun. Sad if the pico and nano have outlived it.

>>63857867 (OP)
>though I don't carry a spare mag (except in the truck) because it's already such a capable piece without one.
With modern mags, you can fit 18+1rds of 9mm in the 92 family of pistols without it protruding out the bottom of the grip, so it's not like you'd even have to reload.

>>63857874
The Beretta looks really nice with the flush barrel.

>>63865287
I'm just waiting for the M17 to sit in some MP's holster, he bends over to tie his shoes, and it shoots a baby infant lengthwise through his head into the body, or whatever, and on CCTV camera. Like some completely insane (but entirely preventable) tragedy that gets so retarded and grotesque that it cannot be ignored and it becomes international news.
Maybe it's a celebrity's baby or something.

>>63857867 (OP)
I absolutely agree, I can say with no shame that I double dipped with this gun, and I plan on triple, quadruple, and quintuple dip with this gun

It's my only full size handgun atm, and I'm getting better at the DA/SA, but I still feel like I need to improve my DA out past 10 yards. My groupings just become minute-of man at that point. The single action is crispy though, and the gun looks aesthetic. At this point I like the gun, but I do want to love it.

>>63869430
My rule has been 5. That's a me thing though. I used to be of the X+1 mags crowd, but I'm at the point that I'd rather just know what I have and maintain it accordingly. That being said, mags aren't exactly cheap either.
>>63870309
Careful now. Starting to sound like a revolverfag. Point still stands about it being unnecessarily heavy for its capacity. You could get new mags, but the problem will only scale with the extra capacity.

>>63872112
Morever considering you post it in every glock or Hg thread kek.

>>63872100
The lever placement sucks and we’ve all grown used to the slide safety. Picking up a frame lever version which the lever is slightly too high since it goes through the hammer pin assembly feels like worse in every way. Also the frame lever makes the disassembly of the hammer pin more complicated

>>63869281
What light is that?

>>63862126
I wouldn't consider it too rare necessarily unless you need to have new. I got mine for 500 with 7 mags only a couple years ago on gunbroker, and they seem to be going for similar price right now with the standard factory setup.
I really like it, and they must have just released the px4 storm in .45acp just recently so I'm salivating a bit.

>>63862126
I wouldn't consider it too rare necessarily unless you need to have new.
I got mine for 500 with 7 mags only a couple years ago on gunbroker, and they seem to be going for similar price right now with the standard factory setup.
I really like it, and they must have just released the px4 storm in .45acp just recently so I'm salivating a bit.

The often repeated rumor I had heard was a lot of the m9 problems in later years were caused by shitty 3rd party magazines that were sourced by DoD, which might explain why civilian Beretta shooters had a better time with their pistols than military users.

Beretta and Mec-Gar mags seem to have a smooth finish while this "milspec" one from Check Mate seems to be very rough parkerized finish.

Mec Gar going for $40 each while Check Mate is $28. Would be just like the military to fuck things up by cheaping out on magazines.

>>63886164
Idk if I've used my CheckMate a lot; I've never had a problem with it IIRC, but I remember hearing the military issues were more due to the hot 9mm they used combined with piss poor maintenance combined with gen 1 or 2 locking blocks they just wouldn't replace even when reaching round counts you'd want to replace them at with lower power 9mm. But I'll be the first to admit it's just what I've read and I'm no expert. There's three generations and for some fucking reason I can't find the damn gen 1/2/3 picture guide showing the differences.

>>63868647
>>guide rod, trigger, safety selector, and mag release assembly are STEEL (not plastic)

I want a Beretta but it looks like a pain in the ass to change half of this to metal

>>63857867 (OP)
I was gifted a 92sb. Is this thing a 92fs? Is this an older model? Would like an info dump that isn't AI slop if anybody is a Beretta knower

What's the best way to carry the 92? Shoulder holster? I tried cross draw OWB, but the bottom of my holster peeks out when I raise my arms.

>>63889212
It's the predecessor to the 92F, early 80s production. First version with an American mag release that should use all modern 92 mags. First version with a firing pin block, so it's safe to carry too. Blued finish instead of the Bruniton coating, rounded trigger guard, barrel isn't chrome lined. Not all of the parts are drop-in interchangeable, they didn't standardize everything until the F for the M9 trials, so replacement parts may need fitting. Keep an eye on the locking block for cracks on the "wings" and the narrow corner at the bottom left of the firing pin plunger which was also prone to cracking before they added a relief cut. Replace the recoil spring with a fresh one and buy a replacement locking block if you plan to shoot it a lot. The updated locking blocks are backwards compatible with the SB. Nice gun, enjoy.
>>63886164
>Would be just like the military to fuck things up by cheaping out on magazines.
Someone traded in a 92FS at work and kept the factory mags, gave us surplus Airtronics ones instead. Absolute SHIT quality, won't even lock the slide back on empty.
>>63889183
Just buy an older one off GB. Look for an Accokeek, MD or Italian one from the 90, you'll find plenty and can get them in great shape for less than $500 if you look carefully.

>>63862126
>the rare sub compact

>>63857930
Trust me they're already doing that no matter the gun

>>63886164
The 3rd party mags had a rough finish that traps sand particles inside the mag which impeded the magazine springs from working. The perfect magazines for Iraq

>>63886043
.45 ACP storm has been out since release, it’s a different frame and slide and seems to have issues with magazines. Multiple different owners, me included have had issues with mags.

>>63869363
Greedy sure, but you get what you pay for, and Big Army got theirs. A gun that shoots so you don't have to. Beretta can't innovate against that

>>63859012
How many wars did those guns win?

>>63891648
>but you get what you pay for
Sure, but if I recall right, Glock were only outbid by Sig, who performed ATROCIOUSLY in trials, so if they wanted a less expensive plastic gun, they had their obvious choice. I'd have taken a Glock or Beretta either way, but I'm pissed that the Sig Saar got bribed through.

>>63857867 (OP)
That's very cool, I like the M9 too, bro. Want some tendies and chocolate milk?

>>63891666
Yes, actually, that would be nice.

>>63864241
Not to 'rettas because they're betta
And because they don't use a fucktarded grip angle that forces you to lock elbows because Gaston couldn't be fucked to design it around average users.

>>63872280
It's a flaw in the firearm because the guns design allows for it to happen. I can limpwrist my M9A3 all day and it will still work. Common =/= good, otherwise you'd call P320s good with the same logic.

>>63872280
>That doesn't happen when the firearm has ANY serious flaws in use.
Yes, it does. Look at the AR-15 when it was first adopted in Vietnam, before the adoption of the M16A1, or just look at the P320 for a more recent example. The reason that Glocks continue to be the market leader is that its limp-wristing issues can be quickly addressed by properly gripping the gun like a man, whereas the P320 suffers from actual engineering issues that the require the gun to undergo substantial redesigns to address it.

>>63891663
It doesn't get more bald faced than Sig knocking $100 million off their pistol bid. Not like how the 92 beat the P226 because the parts were a tad cheaper, even though they were both adopted. It reeks of desperation but whatever, the siggers will make up the difference.

>>63891676
>>m9a3
I was issued that piece of shit. Why anyone would buy or carry one is beyond me. Why the fuck are you babbling about limp wristing? At the same time that the G17 was serving as the sidearm of multiple countries military and police units around the world with only one or two very easily addressed issues the fucking M9 was breaking slides and frames. Failing to feed military ammo. Having pretty much every god damn reliability issue known to man. Its a piece of shit. When you are going to shoot the pistol and reliability is an issue the M9 is shit. Every single US unit that was allowed to choose its own sidearm chose something other than the M9. Literally everyone i served with hated the fucking things. If they did like them after the first trip to the range and introduction to its malfunctions they hated it after.
Compared to the G17, 1911 the m9 was a disaster. The military has admitted so.

>>63891876
The M9A3 was never issued to the military

>>63860162
>Pistols have inherently lower accuracy than rifles
You can get accurate enough for ranges that actually matter for 99% of circumstances
>rifles are more stable and it is easier to get shots on target with them
100% skill issue
>Any advantages they win with "maneuverability"
Ease of access/draw and better able to take advantage of cover and still fire

>>63891876
>M9 fuddlore, the post

>>63860335
Crapacity and gay trigger pulls. Need I say more?

>>63863058
The issue with cracked guns also happened with the Sig P226, using the same ammo. And the ammo wasn't using proof loads but supposedly had smaller internal case volume which effectively did the same thing.

>>63889600
Oh, you can find it on the internet, I didn't know you could find absolutely anything on the internet. People usually own thing or find them in stores, but the internet, wow.

>>63891876
larper

This, but with the Cheetah.

Anyone claiming a full size 92 is "easy to carry" is coping. Even OP won't admit it, instead saying "easy enough" which is cope.

>>63857867 (OP)
That’s some serious shit you carry.

>>63881014
Huh, I'll have to try to hold a new XI or whatever they call them and see what's with the safety height to see if it'd bother me. I do know that (pre-XI verec even being announced) the, IIRC, frame safety+decocker Taurus model was something I didn't like when I held it. I don't know what it was, it was just off and I think the amount of travel and placement was just fucked. And designing a safety that if you push it too much, it decocks the gun? What kind of design choice that fucking thing is. Might as well just decock and carry on DA at that point.

>>63872839
This bitchpost has convinced me that gl*cks are not dated jamomatic POS's that are commonly fielded because gl*ck gives discounts to LEO/MIL that you pay full price for. You are not at all like Siggers paying triple the MSRP to subsidize the $180 military pistols

>>63891876
>I was issued that piece of shit
No you weren't you piece of shit. Those were never issued to any branch. Sig P226's also had cracked frames because they ran muttshit ammo that had smaller case volumes. No other 92 user in the world suffered the same consequences. New M9s don't suffer from reliability issues, the ones you probably used were passed around more than your whore mother. Quit talking out your ass. I don't care what lowest bidder crap these units choose, I focus on quality. You're talking about the same military that chose the P320, your opinion and theirs is invalid.

You can wait for Gaston to fix his "Perfection" (he's fucking dead btw), I'll just buy perfection from Beretta. Reminder all Gl*ck users are paypigs

>>63891638
Oh, I guess they haven't had it on their website until recently then? Did it go out of production or something?
I'm 99.9% sure I hadn't seen anything other than 9 and 40s on the beretta website.

>>63858080
No, but my dad has picrel. It's a piece of shit but an interesting novelty. It's the sidearm you get playing as Muj in Insurgency.

>>63894620
They make them time to time, like for a year they didn’t mark any PX4 9mm compacts so the used prices shot up

>>63895251
Good to know. They can't be super common. I can only find a single .45 px4 on gunbroker.
I was even more surprised when it looked like it had a threaded barrel.

>>63895410
It does not, it has an extended barrel because for the SOCOM trials it was going to have a rail mount threaded barrel adapter which the extended barrel fits into or some other suppressor mount. The extended barrel doesn’t do anything. You could attach something to it with a custom mount, but it can’t be threaded since the rotating barrel unthreads the suppressor. I wonder if thread-locker would work but then how would you ever get it off

>>63895466
Good to know. I know there's the rarer threaded barrels with no knurling on the thread protector. I just figured it was that. A friend of mine has one of those rarer smooth protectors and would be really unhappy if he lost it because he can't get a smooth replacement matched correctly to his gun again.
And I thought there was some component you could have that would counter the rotating and/or tilting barrel and solve this. I don't know too much since I don't have anything suppressed and am just hoping they become unregulated under Trump before I rush to go buy one.

>>63895582
Personally, suppressing a pistol is a huge meme. It is now too large to do pistol things, holster selection is ???, my suppressor spits so much shit from the chamber in my 92 that I wouldn’t ever shoot it without eye protection and it’s not hearing safe with subsonic 150 gr projectiles.

I just bought a Brigadier but I wanted to know if it can reliably handle +p ammunition and Beretta doesnt seem to have any info either. Also according to the serial number this was made last year but I thought they were out of production? Is Beretta just really disorganized when it comes to discontinuing products?

>>63896064
The 92/M9 was fed nothing but 9mm NATO, which is a +P load. Just be punctual about changing recoil and hammer springs out regularly (5k if not sooner). The locking block should be changed out at 15k, they can go longer, but it’s like a 38 dollar part just replace it instead of waiting for it to break.

Brigadiers have heavier thicker slides in addition to the front sight dovetail, so slide velocity is lower.

>>63896064
The Brig is one of their few models still on the CA roster, so they pump some more out onto the market now and then for the calicucks. They're not constantly in production, but not discontinued either. It'll handle +P fine, any other 92FS can as well. Even with the thicker slide I'd still use a heavier recoil spring if you're going to shoot shitloads of really hot stuff, because you're going to be hammering the locking block harder than usual and will naturally accelerate wear on the gun. It's nothing I'd worry about if you're just using it occasionally or for defensive use though. The Brig is overbuilt and not at all fragile.

>>63895466
Why wouldn't a suppressor like a Huxwrx Flow work? I would figure the gases could counter the barrel rotation

I've always liked the look of the 92s, but they never felt quite right in my hand. The grip grip proportions are off for me. Needs to be thinner side to side or something.

Any metal framed pistol is a patrician choice in my book tbouh.

>>63896176
You ever try thin gripped’d 92s? From 1.5 to like 1.3-1.38

>>63895244
Oh yeah, the Helwan knockoff 1951. I love that they have the Brigadier style slide cut on them because the metallurgy is so comically shitty that it cannot go without it by any means. Sometimes, it's not even enough!
Meanwhile, the real Italian pistols have the straight cut slides, it's only later variants of the later Beretta 92 which have them as an optional feature (like you wanna run a lot of +P), along with the .40 caliber Beretta 96 pistol.

Man, I wish Beretta made an actual 10mm Auto pistol, like a not-cucked Beretta 96, one with like a 15rd magazine. Or a .45

>>63895244
>>63895244
Wait, fuck, I'm a retard, I confused the Egyptian Helwan pistol with the Iraqi Tariq, which is the potmetal knockoff.

>>63896202
I've held almost every version of the 92 I've seen in shops. My favorite was one of the models with the vertex backstrap and some really thin factory grips. Still just didn't feel 'right' to me which is basically my #1 criteria. I know it's hardly fair to compare to a single stack, but the ones I posted have a mad grip width of 1.19-1.29.

>>63896243
I'm betting you could get a Vertec to fit you well with particularly thin custom grips. Hell, see if you can feel a Vertec with the grips off to see what it's like from there, just for reference.

>>63896251
nta but the Vertec frames just feel wrong to me, they seem weirdly top heavy. I also love the stock fat Beretta grips though, so must just be me. The 92FS/M9 points perfectly in my hands, I've tried every thin grip out there and they all feel worse, not better.

>>63895466
>I wonder if thread-locker would work but then how would you ever get it off
it probably would work, as long as its non-permanent. I used to work at a place that built servers to withstand a lot vibration and stress. They had this machine that would just shake it for 30 mins, the damn thing was loud; you could hear it anywhere on the production floor. We would check if the screws held after the testing. They usually did if the builder applied the thread locker incorrectly.

Anyway, it should hold. You would just need to apply more force to twist it off.

Beretta bros, If I remove the decocker lever wouldnt the safety just disable the bar so you can safety store cock & locked? why does no one do this, feel like im snorting crazy pills or something.

>>63861997
Get a red dot. Use the red dot to rack the slide.

>>63897130
I have heard of people doing cocked and locked mods to the slide safety. Not sure how, or why, as if you want cocked and locked you have the wrong gun

The part of the lever that pushes the trigger bar and deactivates the trigger bar also has to be modified.

>>63897161
I want to store cock and locked and have a safety, thats the point

>>63895244
That's a commercial one. The military ones are super nice and didn't have any of the issues of the commercial ones.

>>63857867 (OP)
I ended up getting a Beretta 92gts with crappy Beretta owb holster, 2x18 round mags, 2x30 round mags for $700 out the door. The recoil rod spring is too weak on it so it doesn't return the slide fully and reset the trigger for double Action, but does fine on single action. I put a rubber gasket on it as spacer and fixes it. Any idea what higher power spring to put in it later?

>>63857867 (OP)
There is nothing more beautiful than someone waxing poetic about their favorite gun. Shine on, you shining diamond.

>>63897176
IIRC, 14 pounds is the standard stock weight, many people run 12.5 with no issue.

>>63897194
Thanks I'll try a 14 pounds and see if that fixes. American made Beretta QC ftw.

>>63897176
are you shooting real ammo? cause that doesnt sound like weak recoilspring
weak recoilsping wouldnt make the trigger not reset

>>63857867 (OP)
If I had to buy new, I would take the Beretta, but a classic Sig P22x is the perfect handgun to me. They're both A-grade pistols, but the Beretta got a 98% and the Sig got 100%. Too bad the company went entirely to shit.

>>63897202
>DA doesn't activate with weak ammo.
Uhm think that through how many shots have been fired to have it be in DA mode.

i'm dry firing it. Slide is slightly too far back for hammer to reset on double action. If spring has a little more pressure with the spacer on it, it resets fine for dry firing practice.

>>63857867 (OP)
>Still no 96X

>>63897343
>i'm dry firing it. Slide is slightly too far back for hammer to reset on double action
...wut?
if youre dry firing it you should be able to da trigger pull all day.

>>63897343
So the gun isnt going into battery? What does the recoil spring and rod look like.

>>63891876
>I was issued that piece of shit
Lying sack of shit. It was never issued.

>2025
>still taking bait from glock fags

I'm gonna buy a 92 as my first gun
and then I'm gonna buy a 92 elite ltt as my second gun
t.euro

>>63899939
It's right at the limit of where it resets. It won't reset like 5% of the time.
>>63900147
It's in battery. The slide is just fractions of a millimeter too far back for the trigger bar to engage the hammer. No burs or anything on it. It's literally sitting on the edge of engaging hammer. If spring has half a coil or little more power, slide goes far enough. I put a small rubber gasket at base of recoil rod to test it and trigger bar engages 100% of the time with the extra pressure.

>>63900401
?

Take pictures of this shit man, this does not make sense to me. Did someone use a centurion/compact rod and spring in a full size?

I just ordered a G type decocker conversation kit from Beretta for my 92FS, can't wait

It really is dead here now, isn't it?

How the fuck did the Spaghetti-Senores make not only such a good pistol but also such good shotguns?

>>63900959
They’re the oldest gun company on earth, they’ve existed as an entity for 500 years with invoices from the early 1500, making gun barrels for the Vatican.

Their breakout pistol the 92 is an upgrade of the 1951 both of which share lineage from the Walther P38.

It took them a while to get their gas operated shotgun to work, no one talks about the predecessors. Also Beretta literally owns Benelli, imagine just straight up owning your competition so that you can undercut them with an arguably better design.

>>63900578
It's factory new from TN. Makes total sense.

>>63900959
Wops are seriously good at guns. Like, the Carcano isn't that great (not awful, but not great either), and some of the light machineguns of the Fascist era weren't too hot either. However, Spaghettimen have been quite damn good at pistols and subguns for a long time now, and also shotguns.

Even when you had Italian soldiers suffering with inconsistent 6.5mm ammo, Germans managing to get their hands on Italian pistols and subguns consistently had rather high opinions on them, the subguns especially were prized for their good handling, good magazines, and ease of shooting.
>"Wow, das ist VERY gut! This is better than the MP40 we have at home!"

Later after the war, they kept doing guns, and they got even better at it. Italy would settle on the US M1 rifle as their best option when rebuilding their army as a western ally, because they didn't really have many other options and it was honestly not bad for what it is.
Italian manufactured Grand Pingers are very high quality, if you're building one from surplus parts, then Breda and Beretta made receivers are extremely fine choices. Then we have the select-fire and magazine fed development of the M1, the BM59, which in some aspects (mind, not all), is the M14 done better.

The Beretta 1938 series especially are so fucking smooth to shoot.

>>63900401
Just get a new recoil spring then.