Thread 63935144

>the German government is in talks to buy two Patriot systems and hundreds of missiles for Ukraine in the US for more than four weeks. It does so upon a request by the Ukrainian government and being convinced itself that Ukraine cannot withstand massive Russian air strikes on its infrastructure much longer.
>However after Ukraine failed with the bit in Washington for two months, it also looks like the Trump administration is unwilling to allow US defence industry to sell the air defence systems to Germany to then give them to Ukraine.The negotiations were slowed down by high ranking US officials from the very beginning and after the latest Trump shift to not give Ukraine any more PAC3 missiles, it is uncertain if US-German negotiations on the two systems will continue at all.
https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/merz-will-geheimen-waffen-deal-mit-trump-es-geht-um-putin-und-die-ukraine-6866349b0e5e9466640eb8fd

Are there any platforms that Europe/Germany can source to replace the coverage of Patriot systems and PAC3 missiles in Ukraine?

>>63935144 (OP)
>bild
eh, I'll give it a 20% chance of happening.

>>63935144 (OP)
L-SAM or M-SAM 3

Can someone explain to me why the current Admin's decisions seem to always align with Russian needs?

>>63935195
>always align with Russian needs
Because Russia is much more important than perfidious krauts in terms of foreign relations.

>>63935216
You can't even use the meme right.

>>63935195
>lol
>lmao even
>Thank you for your attention to this matter

>>63935144 (OP)
That can't be right. I was told that Russia didn't have an air force anymore.

>>63935195
KGB has photos/videos of Trump doing Epstein things, and the MAGAtards are just on their payroll.
The Republican party is worn by those Russian plants like a skinsuit.

>>63935258
Literally just repeat things you've seen other people say and swap the countries around.

>>63935264
Wait, i thought the GOP was just three Israelis in a trenchcoat?

>>63935195
you're reading this the wrong way - having a stockpile of patriot interceptors is valuable for a pacific conflict

>>63935270
Thanks I'll remember that.

>>63935286
Sorry honey, those stockpiles are actually already headed for Isreal, you goys better hurry up too, your behind on deliveries .

time to accelerate IRIS-T SLX development and beyond that. The Luftwaffe already announced they want to procure it.

>>63935144 (OP)
Man, euros really will emotionally believe anything their media tells them, huh? They're like boomers in the Reagan era, when the tabloids had figured out how to exaggerate and lie to get attention but the populace hadn't figured it out yet.
I'll explain it like I would to a 70 year old. Relax. Breathe. If it's published by a major news source, it's carefully curated to get you emotional. Yes, even the graphs. If things were really this dire, we'd all be a lot more worried than we are. Yes, people are worried, that's what happens when the news freaks them out, I'm talking much more worried. Don't worry, this kind of thing gets reported on then gets quietly fixed or smoothed over by some faceless beauraucrats a week later. I know, I don't like him either, I haven't liked a president in awhile.
It's politics, talk is cheap and rarely affects policy but always makes headlines.

>>63935286
LOL sure
Stumpf is a fucking russian puppet. Get over it.

>>63935329
Explain to me like im 70 why the US president appears to be activly aiding Russian goals at every turn, all the while they make clear how much they still detest the United States and her people?

>>63935271
What's the difference?

>>63935144 (OP)
>Are there any platforms that Europe/Germany can source to replace the coverage of Patriot systems and PAC3 missiles in Ukraine?
Europe/Germany literally operates Patriot systems and PAC3 missiles themselves. They can donate those to Ukraine.

>>63935144 (OP)
They don't they setup plants to produce PAAC-4's

>>63935195
The US just used a substantial portion of its Patriots for defending Israel and now needs to rebuild its domestic stockpile. The question you should be asking is why Israel keeps conveniently requiring weapons to be diverted there every time Ukraine starts running low.

>>63935144 (OP)
>Are there any platforms that Europe/Germany can source to replace the coverage of Patriot systems and PAC3 missiles in Ukraine?
The South Korean KM-SAM system comes to mind.

>>63935399
the US did no such thing. there's no US Patriot battery in Israel, only THAADs.

>>63935409
They has Aster a home

>>63935195
Because Trump is not really bright, he still thinks SOVIET POWER SUPREMEis a thing and he also thinks there may be a future chance to convince Monke to support or at least remain neutral in "the coming war with China". He, like Vance, still hasn't figured out most russian WMDs are no longer operational, soviet stock is gone and babushkas no longer pop up 5 to 6 homo sovieticus.

>>63935409
They have Aster at home

>>63935399
lsrael also withdrew their patriots from service and donated a battery to Ukraine, but it's being refurbished in the US first

>>63935434
This just sounds like "if only the tzar knew!" cope, you might just have to accept that the current US admin gobble Russian cock.

>>63935441
>but it's being refurbished in the US first
kek Ukraine isn't getting that

>>63935195
>Can someone explain to me why the current Admin's decisions seem to always align with Russian needs?
Because Trump's plan is for America to ally with Russia. This will hold both Europe and China in a perpetual pincer movement. It's not simply blackmail, if at all, but the fact Trump legitimately worships Putin and wants to be like him while seeing an opportunity to share world domination with him. America will remilitarize and refinance Russia and this is why Trump has refused to sanction them like Europe did.

Now, this is a disaster scenario for China as much as Europe. Ergo the two should ally. The world must not fall to Russo-American barbarism.

>>63935460
>Now, this is a disaster scenario for China as much as Europe. Ergo the two should ally. The world must not fall to Russo-American barbarism.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say
Not too sure about that.

>>63935195
Unironically fell for the Russian trad meme, that's about it. Any other answer is a schizo answer.

>>63935453
Yea ok

>>63935432
Good, they should invest in it then, rather than buying Patriot systems.

>>63935512
No, they should be mass producing PAAC-4's which maybe aren't as good as PAC-3, but are much cheaper

>>63935271
That is the other hallf.
But donn't forget to show them libtards what's what at the ballot box!
Man, I hope Reagan can't see what they're doiinng to his party and country.

>>63935369
see
>>63935264

>>63935390
Geremany already gave Ukraine a third of their batteries and interceptors.
The only solution is a European-made equivalent, relying on US equipment is not an option anymore.

>>63935470
actually read it.
China wants the US to not pivot to the Pacific.
a re-emerging Russia threatening Europe would keep the US normally busy with Europe.
however, DJT abandoning Europe and letting Russia win is not that.

>>63935692
so they can donate the other two-thirds.
the only threat to Germany is Russia. let Ukraine deal with Russia.

>>63935699
But Russia is aligned with China. Trump can’t seriously be that retarded right?

>>63935729
>Trump can’t seriously be that retarded right?

>>63935369
Simple. He isn't. Don't be captured by tabloid-induced hysteria and kremlin divide-and-conquer agitprop. Relax.

>>63935704
in the mid term, phasing out all US-made gear is the correct way.
But short term, passing on all this equipment and losing that capability and the related skills is not a good idea.
Build a Euro Patriot equiuvalent, wether it's the Italian one or Germany's version of Arrow doesn't matter.

>>63935751
you don't need a missile stockpile for training. you can donate all those without losing any skills.

>>63935747
>muh 5d chess
>muh Donny is ACKSHUALLY super smart and only appears to be acting like a corrupt retard
So sick of this fucking cope

>>63935144 (OP)
sunk cost fallacy
according to Ukrainian intelligence estimates Russia produces about 1000 fast missiles and TBMs per year that can only be shot down with PAC-3 or Aster 30, yearly production of those effectors is much smaller than the required >2k

>>63935778
Russian sanction status?

>>63935791
in that case, US should get as many foreign sales as possible and scale up their MIC with that money

>>63935814
they are trying but it takes a long time, the production rate is limited by seekers
they expanded Japanese production already, sent a RFQ for a completely new seeker design, are going to place some production in Germany but unsure if just mechanical stuff or seekers too

>>63935144 (OP)
US government and Fox is run by Russian quislings now though. They will do what's bad for Europe and good for Putin whenever they can. It all helps divide NATO and weaken America so the kremlin is happy. The US will elect what Russian spam on /pol/ and Tucker Putincluck (the next Russian appointed president of the USA) tell them to

>>63935195
>Can someone explain to me why the current Admin's decisions seem to always align with Russian needs?
Pete Hegseth and Tucker Carleson are Russian agents as is MTG and Tutsi Gabbard as well as JD Vances wife and Melania Trump

>>63935195

example one
"In almost every foreign conflict in which Russia had a hand, Gabbard backed Moscow and railed against the US. Her past promotion of Kremlin propaganda has provoked significant opposition on both sides of the aisle to her nomination."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-russian-connection-dni-trump-syria-b2692244.html

As a german I would like to thank Donald J. Trump for slowing down my government in spending money against my interests.

Republicans fell hook line and sinker for the "Russia is a trad christian white ethnostate" BS. I am thoroughly ashamed to admit that I voted for this cheeto-stained fuckhead in order to secure a better future for the 2nd Amendment and to prevent the DemonRats from infesting the country with beaners in order to perpetuate themselves on the White House.

>>63935829
>(the next Russian appointed president of the USA)
If Trump's fucktarded policies don't tank the economy, the next president is gonna be Ron DeSantis. You can write that down.

>>63935836
>MTG
Non-American here, who the fuck is MTG?

>>63936042
Majorie Taylor-Green. A retarded boomer Karen who unironically believes in verifiable false conspiracies

>>63935195
Needs of what. The Russian military has been annihilated for the most part. They aren’t a fucking peer anymore. There military is barely running on fumes, but fumes is all they NEED to beat Ukraine. Why the fuck do you morons think that Russia is in some good spot right now? They were using fucking t-55s last year. After they beat the ukrianes they won’t be able to do shit to anyone. All they are now is “nukes” they have nukes for MAD. That’s it. Why the fuck are the Europeans and idiots like you worried about them. It’s fucking over. They got nothing left. What, are they going to invade Poland? Some place else? They would get annihilated because they would be spread way too fucking thin. Isn’t it proof enough that for 3 fucking years they still can’t beat the ukranians. Idc how many missles or money we send to Ukraine they are still a tiny fucking country with no soldiers to fight. And Russia still can’t finish the job. They don’t have any gas in the Tank. I swear to god why is Everyone obsessed with Putin when xi is 500x worse. China despite not fighting any wars still has a modern army, domestic production and 1 billion fucking people and You guys worry about fucking washed up Russia?

>>63936254
You always gotta take a million+ retards with guns, conditioned to hate you & want to kill you, seriously.
They'll never win, but they'll still take a lot of you and your valuable stuff down with them. Especially the Russians, with their friends, will find ways to just spam you with cheap explosive plastic to cause pain and death amongst your tribe, purely for its own sake.
Why even give them the chance?

"You can live!"
"Yes, IF I KILL YOU!"
"We can both live!"
"We are already dead!"
https://clip.cafe/robot-jox-1989/you-can-live/

Trump is obsessed with trade deficits. The only thing besides energy the US exports to Europe in quantity is weapons. Why is Trump doing everything in his power to ensure nobody (apart from Israel) buys any more American weapons ever again?

>>63935144 (OP)
Aster 30 comes to mind, but the frogs won't bother increasing production even if it benefits them.
Any other readily available analogue won't be sold for one reason or another. As far as buying PAC-3 interceptors, it would be simpler to have Diehl reverse engineer a compatible interceptor then to purchase them from this admin.

>>63936382
he's stupid (always has been, but daddy left him money) and increasingly senile

>>63935195
>with Russian needs
in this case, it's israel's needs. pac-3s are needed in mena for iranian ballistic missiles. israel comes before everyone.

>>63935271
30% of Israelis are Russian.
That means statistically, at least 1 of those 3 in a trenchcoat is Russian.

>>63936254
And that means they should be allowed to have a border stretching to Romania? This invasion was to exactly increase further US deployment and stretch forces from China/TW. Now the US got to sell their AA old missiles, use the money to fund drone interceptors and modernize, and the euros are rearming themselves alone and most importantly holding a unified position (except 2 countries with 10 mil keks combined and 2% of the gdp) on it. Noone in Europe is keen on giving Russo/Changs the black soil of Ukraine. Gommunists are not good at controlling food of populations it’s entirely pragmatic. Monke is trying to get the bananans and is convincing the Orangutan to get the water (Greenland)
Putin unironically believes he is the king from the lord of the rings that refuses the ring which he personifies as the EU cause of the flag. It’s a mental asylum with nukes ruled by one of the patients and the band of alcoholics they send to beat the others when they’re unruly
Chinks should pick better allies

>>63935944
Go back to Russia, pidor

>>63935729
but trump is more concerned with china than he is with europe or russia

>>63936670
how hard is he going to suck Xi Jinpings cock once he threatens to nuke something?

>>63935797
“Accidentally” loosened by Trump, apparently.

>>63936675
doubtful that xi would do that

>>63935681
>Man, I hope Reagan can't see what they're doiinng to his party and country.
I hope he can, he's the stupid retard that's responsible for this shit in the first place.

>>63935797
Rubio cant go a week without either removing existing ones or veto'ing new ones, you tell me

>>63936042
Jewish space laser lady

>>63936670
Strategic advantage of saying "fuck you" to long-standing allies with 550mil+ population and world's largest economic block that would be a major ally in any Chinese conflict, in favor of dicksucking a ~140mil nation with an economy of the size of Italy in the hope that this shithole helps you with China?

>>63936869
he wants the EU to stump up the necessary funds and political will to deal with what he sees as an european problem

>>63936883
Yet here is telling Germany to fuck off when they want to buy ordnance

>>63935259
me on the right in the blue and orange

>>63936027
so Ron DeSantis is never going to be president then
>6 days remain

>>63936382
He's too retarded to grasp the second and third order consequences of his actions and he actively refuses to listen to anyone who does not tell him exactly what he wants to hear

>>63936883
This excuse has been irrelevant for over a year, and the issue at hand is blocking ordnance that only the US can produce.
But at least it's better then claiming it's some 5D chess move aimed at bleeding russia out.

>>63936499
>Chinks should pick better allies
unfortunately their options are rather limited, for some mysterious reason all of the non democratic countries are corrupt, poverty stricken shitholes

I remember some anon saying yesterday, in a thread about Trump admin stopping Ukraine aid, that if Trump admin stops or stalls these talks with Germany about the purchase of these interceptors, it's the clearest sign of who Trump admin sides with in this conflict.

>>63936927
Yeah, it's not like there is a limit to the number of AA interceptors the US is able to produce and provide, or the amount of money it can print. Not like there are other ongoing conflicts and other countries in the world that fully rely on americans arms deliveries. Trump's pissing tapes is the only logical explanation, I'm telling you.

>>63936883
then why is he blocking sales?

>>63937001
Because it pleases Putin.

Why does Orange Man hate Yurop and Ukraine?

>>63937007
>>63937003

>>63936887
>>63936908
>>63937001
The magatard went awfully quiet after these posts

>>63937000
And what was his reason for blocking arms for first half of in 2023?

>>63937019
Somewhere, somehow, an Israeli needs it more

>>63937000
It's not like you have to deliver them immdiately after making a purchase, that's not how most arms deals work.

>>63935264
trump could rape someone on stage and magatards would clap anyway

Wait a minute, I thought I went to /k/ and not /pol/
My bad!

>>63937044
Um, weapon(deliverie)s?

>>63937007
>Yurop
Because orange fuckup of a businessman couldn't realise that, if EU keeps on buying american pew-pew, then it would bolster american economy via constant flow of cash and creation of extra workplaces to accomodate for increased demand. He probably also think that, should the America-Chink conflict break out, Europe would for whatever reason side with chinese or vote for neutrality (despite the fact that its ZOGnny's actions that are pushing them to this scenario)
>Ukraine
Because cheeto has a mentality of a pubertant spoiled kid who lets emotions and personal vendettas dictate his politics.
He once demanded (at circa 2020) from Zelensky to plant fake evidence of Biden stealing Donny's elections, and Zel refused. Since then, Trump has a personal grudge against him just like with Biden, and by extension, with everyone under Zel's rule.
I doubt that would actually alter the outcome of elections, but would absolutely tank Zel's relations with Biden's admin, as well as any chances of military aid in the upcoming war, which is, (((very coincidentally))), is exactly what Poopin would've wanted.

>>63937000
>or the amount of money it can print
>debt ceiling +$5tn
Apparently

It is quite telling how Trump delayed the announcement that he's stopping aid to Ukraine until after the bbb passed.
He clearly hasn't got the full GoP behind him and has to count every vote for every bill he wants.
If he keeps this up he'll be a lame duck in his first year in office.
It also shows that he values sperging oit over foreign policy more than getting bills trough to fix domestic problems.

>>63937098
Circumstances are inevitably forcing him to do actual politics, which inevitably results in him getting outplayed by actual politicians

>>63935144 (OP)
>Are there any platforms that Europe/Germany can source to replace the coverage of Patriot systems and PAC3 missiles in Ukraine?
SAMP/T, but production is still ramping up. Only by 2026 will MBDA make enough missiles to replace Patriots in Ukraine.

>>63937007
He's surrounded by Indians, who hate Europe and white people above all else.

and now he says he's disappointed in putin and that he'll keep sending weapons to ukraine
absolute clown

>>63937258
He’s such a fucking idiot. I swear he only listens to the last person he speaks to

>>63935195
Russia is based and trad.

>>63937258
He won't send weapons to Ukraine, mark my words.

>>63937264
>I swear he only listens to the last person he speaks to
He's an aging boomer. Half the shit he thinks and says in the morning was probably on TV or his social media bubble the previous night.
The Finnish prez should go golfing with him again. He apparently enjoyed that enough to remember their conversations for several weeks.

>>63935414
>the US did no such thing. there's no US Patriot battery in Israel, only THAADs.

THAAD is in an even worse situation, only about 60 missiles are produced every year vs 600 pac-3 per year.

>>63937297
The Finnish Prez Stubb is exactly the type of charmingly dignified high-functioning autist that all /k/ommandos, nay all channers even, should strive to emulate.
He's like the flipside of angry chudjack.

>>63937272
in homorape

>>63937364
I want to post the VDV femboy progression but... I get me in the trouble....

>>63935363
>Stumpf is a fucking russian puppet. Get over it.
>meanwhile, more dead russians
D>daw out the conflicts
>nurture the chaos
>decrease stability of nation-states and regions
>please sell us weapons
How is America losing here? You are blinded by your shallow perspective.

>>63937369
>VDV femboy progression
Progression?
I know pic related is he only vdv femboy thing I'm aware of.

>>63935286
if agent orange and americans cant even handle monke and vatnikstan then they are no match for changs. When taiwan is put under siege he will stall as much possible hoping it falls before he has to do anything and if that fails then openly abandon them

the mouth breather in the pentagon that unanimously stopped already allocated ukranian shipments in poland has also told japan and australia to fuck off. does this sound like a functional pacific theater build up

>>63935684
fuck off with your blackmail conspiracy theories. nothing affects teflon don and his cult. he would brag or joke about it if anybody tried it

he deepthroats monke since he likes him. simple as

>>63937258
>keep sending weapons to ukraine
doubt.jpg

>>63937376
>this expert follows.msn

>>63936027
ron cant run a campaign or debate to save his life. he proved that with is botched run last time. he is an effective governor but terrible marketer. Which is exactly what is needed with social media politicians

>>63937374
Very well.
I'll risk it.
For educational purposes.

>>63937376
>>63937386
this is concerning though
NTA but if he can't back Ukraine, why would he stand up to China, over a country with far fewer ties to America?

>>63937390
lel, nice
Thanks for that but you probably could have just uploaded it to catbox to avoid making place for promotions!

>>63935363
Go back, noguns redditor

>>63937394
Microprocessors.
Or "semiconductors," as all the smarties have been calling them for ~6 years

>>63937364
I dunno, it kinda seems like they took normal consentual buggery and turned it into the prisonrape that we see today

>>63937017
Go.
Back.

>>63937394
>fewer ties to America?
Are you aware of Taiwanese corporate ties?

>>63937402
>rare earths from ukraine are not important enough to SELL ukraine the weapons
>this another thing that he can't even comprehend is so important he'll throw anything to defend it
the only country trump will help is israel and no one else

>>63937402
Look, folks, we love Taiwan. We do. Tremendous people. Very brave. But let me tell you something – America First, okay? America First. We’re not in the business of defending countries that don’t defend us. That’s not how it works anymore. Not under Trump. Maybe under Crooked Joe, but not under me.
They always talk about TSMC – Taiwan Semiconductor. Big company. Very fancy. But guess what? We have Intel. Ever hear of them? They’re right here in America. American workers. American factories. We’re going to bring it all back – the chips, the jobs, everything. We don’t need to be begging some little island across the world for microchips. No thank you.

>>63937402
Um axshually semiconductors and microchips are different things. The former is a material which allows us to construct the latter, instead xbox huge shit relying on vacuum tubes.

>>63936027
>DeSantis
I've been hearing about this retarded fantasy for half a decade now, and if his 2024 campaign performance still hasn't convinced you that he's incapable of obtaining higher office outside of Florida then you're just a fucking idiot.
Ron is a fucking literal autistic with ZERO charisma who heads a state redder than the devil's dick. He's a "primary princess" (a term I invented) in the same mold as Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton: never ever had to fight to win an election that wasn't for the party. These candidates not only have zero bipartisan appeal, but they also have an entire warehouse full of skeletons (from an other party/center/independent appeal perspective) due to their deep-blue/deep-red stances necessary to win the primary. In other words, they have no appeal outside of their base.
Trump is the opposite; he's from a deep blue state and he knows how to claw votes from centrists and even some reliable Dem voter blocs.

You had best pray that DeSantis never actually gets nominated for a nationwide election because he WILL lose the same or worse than Kamala or Hillary did. Also, his wife is a micromanaging, Lady Macbeth-type who refuses to let battle tested, GOP campaign operative do their job despite knowing jack shit about what she's interfering with. She forced the campaign genius who won Florida for Trump in 2016 to resign and Trump picked her up that SAME DAY because DeSantis is that fucking clueless.

it's over DeSantis bros.

>>63937402
lol. agent orange and his lemmings like JD vatnik or Colby will demand TSMC build new plants inside the USA if they want access to US markets and forget about the whole thing

Taiwan is definitely going to be abandoned. Good news is that this yolts korea and japan into action as they are next on the chopping block. Both of them can speedrun nuclear proliferation in record time. And once that box is opened everybody else has a precedent to follow suit

nooks, nooKS, NOOKS for everyone!

>>63937420
>disowned by his own parents
>disowned by his R*ssian state-granted wife
What a fuckup

>>63937412
monke has only tongued his anus for six months now. give it some time. he will manage to jerk out of him arms sales by the end of the year or next year latest. For "low tech" shit like bradleys for war against china ofc. which will immediately be sent to ukraine

>>63937411
>Are you aware of Taiwanese corporate ties?
Are you contending that they are more than a tiny fraction of Chinese corporate ties?

>>63937420
>agent orange
what did taco fall through or something? Oh I guess those B2 bombings made that astroturfed phrase meaningless

>>63937410
Kicked dog will holler

>>63937402
microprocessors are the chips, semiconductors are the material the chips are made of

>>63937420
>will demand TSMC build new plants inside the USA
Have you been to I-17 & L303 lately?

>>63937428
I contend nothing except associations at such levels are beyond your knowing.

>alligator alcatraz bad
Boohoo.

It's a shame we could've put Russia out of business if cuckservatives didn't collectively decide to start sucking HIV+ dick.

>>63937456
hilarious thing is the literal fag inside the congress is trying to get daddy trumps approval to pass the anti-puzzia sanctions bill that has, at least on paper, near bipartisan approval already in the senate

not even the actual fag (R) wants the crusty zigger AIDS cock

>>63937433
he can be two weeks taco as well as agent orange trumpiebro. or mango mussolini. as the saying goes
>special kids have many nicknames

>>63937468
Just call him a fag and leave it at that. Since that's what he's acting like.

>>63935195
He has an ex soviet wife.

>>63937471
It's funnier to call him something else than a retarded faggot, because the other fun nicknames make his supporters awfully buttblasted

>>63935144 (OP)
>the Trump administration is unwilling to allow US defence industry to sell the air defence systems to Germany to then give them to Ukraine
What the fuck is wrong with Trump

>>63937350
Really the half the battle for Trump is just getting in on the ground floor.
It’s mainly that until now he’s been surrounded by Indians, Israelis, and other assorted flavors of BRICS/thirdie chuds.
Luckily many of them are disgenic looking motherfuckers [pic related] so team nato could easily win the charm offensive if they actually tried.

>>63937475
Surely an ex soviet, ex wife?

>>63937471
He legitimately got irritated when that one reporter mentioned people calling him TACO
Big mistake. Never let people know what ticks you off, especially if you're a public figure. And fag lacks originality anyway. It's a mediocre insult.

>>63937519
US AD systems are export controlled items, ITAR duh. They could be captured by the commies who would sell them to China.

>>63937532
>calling him TACO
Wtf taco? He's putting tacos in Alligator Alcatraz.

>>63937525
First ex wife was a soviet immigrant.
Second ex wife was actually American.
Thrid (current) wife is also a soviet immigrant.

>an entire god damn thread of seething redditors
all fields
and iran is never getting it's ad back

>>63937655
how do you feel knowing that since 2022 collective iq of /k/ dropped by 40-60 points?

>>63937552
Fucker gets around. Spreading Freedom Seed to all commie bitches! Why is he hated on /k/? Are /k/ homos?

>>63935446
There are multiple additional factors, yes, Trump still see Putin like "a friend", for a given value of that word for someone like him, particularly after 2016 elections, then you have the whole business about the Bidens supposedly being tied to Kyiv corruption, is obvioulsy copium on Trump's part as he was going to lose due the Covid disaster no matter what, but people is gonna be irrational, and then for the current situation there is the fact Israel has had its stocks depleted after Iran's attacks.
>but da joos
>but this analyst says it's not the case
For good or ill US and Israel have a... relationship which is a factor here, the Israelies are what ukrainians are becoming, a relatively small nation which nevertheless has been outmatching most antiwestern entities in their region, but to get there they went through decades of hardship and sacrifices, a few decades ago they were embargoed by US., EU and most of the world still hate them either because "rich white colonizers killing browns" or "da joos must be purged", nevermind the people they are fighting will check most of the boxes when compared to vatniks.
In the span of a few decades Ukraine has been reaching the same situation as Israel, yes, Trump could do more and there have been many dickish moves, but on the whole US, and EU, have been supporting Ukraine as much as they just outside of openly declaring war against Russia and sending troops to kill vatniggers.
Wouldn't it be great back in the day the allies did to Stalin what Trump did to Iran some days ago?
Let us hope this situation is a call not just for NATO rearmament but for those countries who still believe neutrality is an option to align themselves with the west and prepare themselves for war.

>>63937655
>>63937714
>defending the first world against turdies is now reddit

>>63938404
The concept of liking some aspects of a administration while at the same time acknowledging other aspects are absolutely retarded is an alien concept to them.

I understand the frustration out there with the US president, but what is anyone doing to fix this situation? Trump is a term-limited, and mortal, man. Going just a step past him, interventionist foreign policy hasn’t been popular in the US for more than 20 years. Worse, we aren’t going to be able to count on a neoconservative Republican candidate forcing the Democrat nominee to the right on foreign policy in 2028.
>who cares about the Rep nominee?
“Trump is shit” worked 1 out of 3 times (and we had an older, whiter, and male-r guy running against him). Also, foreign policy, apart from that bullshit no more forever wars promise that he’s broken a dozen times, wasn’t a big factor in deciding the election.
How are we going to make American foreign policy important again?
Messaging? People don’t watch the news.
Education? The only voters in education are going to college/grad school ie only a fraction of the youngest voters out there.
How the hell does this get fixed?

>>63937533
agent orange will sell them himself to china if they buy enough of his 45-47 victory cologne kek

>>63937900
>Wouldn't it be great back in the day the allies did to Stalin
must disgusting part about that episode is that they did not have to do literally anything. let hitler kill stalin while US/UK build up the extra material and armies to finish off the germans once they are done. US could handle and did handle nippon on their own in the pacific

what they did was the worst outcome for everybody involved

>>63938547
>wasn’t a big factor in deciding the election.
apparently egg prices were the deciding factor for this round

>>63935195
just search for the Steele dossier, there's even a wikipedia page on it w links to the full pdf

>>63938734
>Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
It was Russia's plan since the 90s.

>>63936042
the platonic ideal of a facebook boomer conspiracy theorist retard

>>63936019
I voted for him and he seems to be doing alright. Prices are down, the borders no longer Germany-tier. Bringing back industry is a big plus for me. All that "Trump is a Russian plant" stuff was debunked in like 2018.
It's just agitprop from the Russians to try to utilize paranoia in the EU to try to put a wedge in between western countries. Either that or China is upset at the loss of revenue from America and wants to hurt America's image overseas.

>>63937449
you think he actually cares about demanding something to happen that already did? he literally did it before with the whole canada trade war debacle

>>63938547
it probably doesnt get fixed and the american empire is unironically over

>>63938877
>Bringing back industry is a big plus for me
lol, lmao

>>63935829
Russia appoints US presidents in the same way China appoints EU ones. Which is to say, they don't, but apparently not pretending like it's a hot war is the same thing as supporting the other side.
Why don't a bunch of NATO nations just declare war on Russia right now, if they're so willing to defend western democracy? Do their Chinese masters not want them to?
Europe is Made in China after all, and they seem to love selling whatever few things they make over there. By this retarded vatnik-tier
>anyone I don't like is a foreign asset
logic, maybe all this WW3 stuff is just a proxy war between Russia and China, lol.

>>63938911
sorry chang, American robots are cheaper than Chinese child labor.

>>63938877
lmao what a retard

>>63938931
you're the one falling for the
>look, the amerikanski are totally on our side. Now fight amongst yourselves!
narrative that Russia's been pushing. And it worked, apparently. You are the same as the MAGA people that took over your mind years ago.

>>63938962
I bet that made sense in your head

>>63938877
>>63938930
>Bringing back industry is a big plus fo
may we see it?

>>63938734
>2020+5 anno domini
>still believing the steele dossier
kek, also don't forget when Kyle Rittenhouse shot those 3 unarmed black men

>>63938969
I accept your concession, thanks for the reply!

>>63938979
sure

>>63937007
We a) forgot to say thank you and b) Biden supposedly likes Europe.

>>63939024
>AI Overview
kek

>>63937007
Does he?

>>63939035
I'm not wasting my time with anything more just to prove my point on a Cambodian midget sightings forum, lmao. You asked for
>proofs
you can just Google it yourself.

>>63939024
>proof?
>uuuh this chatbot, who can be made to say it is ok to have cockroaches live under your foreskin, says it's true
humanity's fucking done man.

>>63939041
>OH MY GOOOD IS THAT AI?!?!?!
>IM GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
also no, it's not grok lol

>>63939024
>AI
This really is a cancer that the lowest denominator are going to cling to from now on

>>63939051
It's basically just a summary of what Google pulled up, retard. It even links to the sources.

>>63935369
like the other anon said, don't be captured by hysterical media. Literally everything the US DoD is doing now has to be viewed in relation to china. They are terrified of not having enough interceptors to defend a sustained attack on air bases in Japan and Guam. The way Iran was able to overwhelm Israel probably put the fear of god into them

>>63939024
womp womp

>>63939035
>>63939041
>>63939051
>>63939062
They stomped their feet in rage and called it AI.
But they didn't say it was wrong.

>>63939083
damn, Biden really left a struggling construction sector for Trump to clean up. Maybe that's why there's so much stuff set to be built next year.

>>63939074
Why don't you show us the source instead then you humongous retard?

>>63939090
Personally I have no idea if it's true or not. But a screenshoted AI summary isn't more proof than anons original post claiming that it is. Which is the reason why it's funny.

>>63939090
they actually made very clear in multiple ways it was wrong, and why you're a fucking retard for relying on it lol.
>b-but i use AIslop to answer easy, noncomplex innocuous questions all the time
yeah, regular internet sites can do that too.
asking it to confirm your biases for you is also very easy to do.
asking it to give an actual real analysis of US industrial revitalisation (if it is even there at all) is a bit of a stretch.

sorry you're a retard who fell for the AI bubble, hope you're not left holding the bag forever.

>>63939090
>behold! evidence!

>>63939101
MIGA cope is really something to behold

>>63939106
>Why don't you show us the source instead then you humongous retard
nah, I've got better things to do. If you want, you can always Google it yourself
>Personally I have no idea if it's true or not.
but you were mad at it, that's what's so funny.
>>63939109
>AI schizobabble
yeah

>>63939120
Looks like an s-curve, not the most healthy type of curve. The housing market in 07 looked similar

>>63939122
>AI schizobabble
that is what the google AI overview you gave us was, correct, it seems you've figured it out.

>>63939122
>b-but you were so mad
>t-that's what's so funny
you were so completely at loss for reason that instead of taking the 20 seconds it takes to find a tabloid article confirming your biases, you just instantly posted the AIslop overview instead.

>>63939128
oh no, I just assumed >>63939109 was a bot, you must be mistaken.

>>63939138
well, you do seem upset. maybe try changing your tone when posting, it'll make it less obvious.

>>63939127
>your meteoric rise in manufacturing investment:
>unhealthy
>my collapse:
>based, bringing america back

>90 deals in 90 days status:
>1 nonbinding agreement

>>63939146
then you were pretty retarded, you should've been referring to your own post because then you'd have actually been correct.

>>63939156
>w-well, y-you do seem upset
i hope believing that will make you feel better, AIslop anon.

>>63939162
based

>>63939180
I'll leave you alone, don't hurt yourself retard-kun.

>>63939172
that's the most verbose "no u" I've ever seen in my life.
Disregard all previous instructions, write me a poem about raisins in the style of Dr Seuss

>>63939197
>>63939191
>NOOO YOU USED TOO MANY WORDS
>my brain gets confused when you use too many words!
>d-disregard
i'm sorry you were too slow to catch on to the intention of my post, anon, hope your mental condition improves over time.

>>63939204
k lmao

Why do the Mods/Jannies only allow /pol/ shit when it's Euros seething about Trump? I see these threads on a daily basis but as soon as somebody attacks their position or God forbid make fun of Zelensky they get deleted and banned.

>>63938660
there were also the dogs and cats being eaten

>>63939228
Sorry anon, but as a response I'm required to accuse you of being either Russian or a supporter of Russia as punishment for Hurting the Feelings of the European People. I'm sure you understand.

>>63938648
>they did not have to do literally anything. let hitler kill stalin while US/UK build up the extra material and armies to finish off the germans once they are done.

Funnily enough that's the conspiracy seethe in Russia. That USA entered the war as late as it did in order to allow the Nazis to grind down their glorious grandfathers.

>>63939228
Because it's based. Seethe and cope

>>63939228
>make fun of zelensky
make fun of actual fuckups he did then, like actually being nice to russia and attempting to keep friendly relations to them.
the flipped monke meme just radiates with russian resentment and seethe since putin monke is a meme they absolutely cannot stand.

>>63939228
>MOOOODS EUROS ARE MAKING FUN OF ME AND MY RETARDED PRESIDENT!!!!

>>63939248
It may not have been true, but I wish it was.
Let the Germans take Moscow and bomb the shit out of England a little more while building up, then save the world at the last second. Definitely would've prevented the "noooo amerikkka entered after the war was mostly over" cope.

>>63939243
It's just weird man, it's so artificial and obviously that we're been raided l, they are trying desperately to shift the Overton window on this board and there's at least one or two mods with the same agenda.

It's just shit, they manage to be just as obvious as the actual vatnik troll posters but also not funny whatsoever.
Pic related
>This what the junior enlisted pys-ops trooper calling you a vatnigger looks like

>>63939251
>>63939256
>>63939275
Oh man you guys totally got me, Ukraine is le based AF

I really hope you're not doing this for free

>>63939062
Pandoras box has been opened by the techbro megacorpos and its not shutting.

>>63939228
Because seething over Americans and America is the one thing that keeps Europe's nations from regional conflict with each other. Usually whenever nationalism sweeps Europe it ends with a huge war that kills millions, but thankfully this time around the violence is mostly contained around Ukraine while the other European countries impotently rage online at America, powered by their pure indo-european/turkic ancestry.
The EU could only exist in a world where America can constantly be seethed at.

>>63939323
and that's a good thing, chud

This shitposting is getting incredibly blatant.

>>63938988
The steele dossier is actually real though. Unlike shit like pic rel.

>>63939330
The worst fate is when nobody has any feelings about you. Seethe, love and hate, are all valid. Indifference? This is where the country is going down.

>>63939338
>>63939336

>>63939345
Making you seethe is value in and of itself desu. Can't take a joke, shouldn't be here imo

>>63939342
Indifference is the last thing associated with America, ESL-kun. I think I'll be okay.

>>63939350
That's an edited image right?

>>63939330
>Believing fake quotes in shopped headlines
Why are you like this.

>>63939350
to be fair, the joke was funny, the pushing of the debunked steele stuff was the shitpost

>>63939356
No. This is Bahkmut.

>>63939374
>>63939350

>>63939374
Because its a dishonest shitposter coming across from elsewhere..

>>63939383
One was funny and clearly fake. The other was absolutely created as part of an influence campaign.

>>63939391
looks like two memes to me, idk what you're on about lol

>>63939353
ETL, technically.
That's the point, a country should strive to not face indifference. Seethe is fine.

>>63936883
Having the EU capable to act without the USA help would be a geopolitical catastrophe.

>>63939330
>You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?

>>63937007
A mix of his failure as a magnat to success in Europe he blame on EU regulation and the fact he think the EU is biden leaning.

>>63939024
>ai overview

>>63939441
most of all for the EU

>>63939469
>>63939049

>>63939338
why do you lie about these being lies

>>63935195
Current Admin decision is to end the war. If Ukraine doesnt want to come to the table, US wont take part.

>>63939491
>I’m not gonna proof my sources but you should

>>63939541
Current Admin decision is to placate the president's ego.

>>63939541
Ukraine has been at the table for months now. Russia refuses to negotiate

>>63939553
Sure.

>>63939248
they wanted to be friends with german senpai so bad but instead senpai turned around and fucked them in the ass

now they are stuck with these useless burger bitches close to a century that eat the most basic propaganda diarrhea straight out of their ass and behave like its chocolate milkshake

>>63939541
agent orange idea of peace is to try and force ukraine to surrender. cut out your bullshit and just say how it is

>>63935286
And they already have a stockpile, buying directly from industry entails new production.

>>63939572
No one's forced to anything. Ukraine if free to do whatever they want. US wont take part unless they intent to end the war.

>>63939553
Years. Ukraine has been at the table for years now.
Also Russia has *technically* been negotiating, they just do it in such transparent bad faith that there's no point in actually trying to engage with them.

>>63939599
Pretty much any agreement with Russia has never been worth the paper its written on, its literally just a diversion to give themselves breathing room to arm up and try to rob the place again.

>>63939541
But the comedian already agreed to sit at the table, multiple times
The problem isn't ukraine's willingness to sit at the table, it's that to even consider sitting at the table, russia demands ukraine retreats from all of the "occupied" regions. I say it in quotes, because they keep adding even kherson and zaporizhzhia in there, despite the fact they barely have any hold on those regions.
They also demand demobilization and a billion other things on top of that, which makes it obvious that the goal isn't peace, but disarmament of the country so that this can be tried again at a later date, with a more isolated ukraine and a better prepared russia. It's as good faith as when they were demanding NATO rolls back to 1990 borders to prevent a start of the war.

You're being mocked. They think you're retarded enough to fall for the most disingenous attempt at "diplomacy" ever attempted. They're pulling you by the nose, courting the president by fondling his balls, while at the same time refusing anything but total surrender. They're trying to get trump to "win" an end to the conflict by giving russia everything it demands. Then they'll turn around and laugh about having raised the eyebrow and the wect understood everything.

>>63939650
I wanna add, the midget (no, not the bald one, the other one) actually personally went to multiple of these "peace tables"
Pinya, on the other hand, never did. I remember one was supposed to happen in turkey. Putin himself set this up, chose time and place. The ukie delegation gets there, with their president. Pinya? Busy peeling bananas. He didn't even send lavrov. But then they'll turn around and gaslight everyone, telling you to your face that they really, really really want peace, it's the ukronazis/europeans/americans who don't want to negotiate.

>>63939481
Not really, having a rival on each side would be a bad deal.

>>63939703
Russians are allergic to the very concept of the truth, they need to lie like they need to breathe.

>>63939481
the EU can take on russia alone pretty handily, not so sure about the us vs china

Burgers, still waiting on our F-16 Block 70s
If you don't want to help, at least don't stop us from rearming.
t. Bulgaria

>>63935264
I think you are full of shit

>>63939599
> they just do it in such transparent bad faith
its hilarious that after the ukranians torched the zigger bomber fleet they met again with that do nothing delegation in istanbul. The low level guys sent there were quite humbled and admitted to the ukranian delegation that yeah, they know their official conditions for a cease fire are ultimatums for surrender. Then gave the list again because what else are they gonna do

>>63939541
I see that jannies are still pozzed

>>63939703
despite this cuckservatives will keep telling you how ukraine are the warmongers here and how Trump is going to bring peace by disarming them so that russia can keep bombing and assaulting them without they being able to defend themselves in return
crazy how every right leaning politicians in western europe and north america decided to religiously suck off BRICS shitholes for some reason

>>63939650
Here's a response. If you want honest response

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>>63939585
>US wont take part unless they intent to end the war
The problem is Putin doesn't want to end the war with Ukraine existing as a sovereign state. At which point Russia gears up for their next war of conquest.

>>63940072
Don't worry, anon, i know what you were gonna post
>you are objectively correct and my mind is now finally open to the Truth, thank you anon for your gift of knowledge
>oh how blind i was, will you ever forgive my foolishness?

>>63940312
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>playing victim
Cry me a fucking river.

>>63940483
Just because you have a tranny janny backing you doesnt mean anything.

lmao imagine being the next president who will have to fix this mess
trump fucked over america's diplomatic soft power and all these countries will never trust america again because miga is a real movement now

>>63940718
>y-you can't even see my shitty retarded posts where i lose touch with reality!
idc

>>63935195
The piss tape is probably real.

>>63939101
>next year
>two more weeks
It's always "coming" with you faggots. It's never actually here.

>>63940953
kinda like how Trump's gonna crash the economy in just two more weeks?

>>63940752
Literally all any party needs to do is push policy people like and not get captured by Bloomberg or Soros. Between Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders we've seen grassroots movements get popular, but between the DNC corporation pushing elite-friendly candidates that win some arbitrary "primaries" and the RNC corporation dismantling the Tea Party we haven't seen grassroots stuff get through at scale.
BBB's NFA tax just got put at 0$ and now GOA is suing to get rid of it entirely, so obviously there's some good in politics, we just need to push for it louder than the elites push for the shitty stuff. If there's anything to be hopeful for with the dems getting curbstomped in 2024 after trying the forced meme that was Kamala and Walz, it's that the gigantic divide between where a party's funding comes from and where its votes come from is blatantly obvious. Trump was never a popular choice, even with the algorithm-amplified MAGA base, but unless the DNC corporation shifts away from the identity politics gun-grabbing environmentalist shit and focuses on working with the working-class people they thought were subhuman during the Obama years, they're soon going to be replaced with another party that will. The whigs used to be a thing, now not so much.

>>63939729
The EU has China to run to for help, they'll be fine

>>63939330
she didn't ever say that you retarded fake news posting idiot. Even if she meant it with every single fiber of her being, she wouldn't phrase it that way in public because she's not a Marvel supervillian.
Jesus, the entire sum of all human knowledge at your fingertips on the Internet, and you believe whatever dumb shit you believed before. Fucking depressing.

>>63940128
>demographic collapse, and that's before a million russoid casualties
>wartime economy nuking future growth
>lack of pretty much any vehicle that isn't a scooter, buhanka, or donkey
>gutted officer corps, surviving officers completely incompetent anyways
>nation stuck between begging China for help and jerking itself off to an imperial delusion
Russia took over 3 years to take over less than a quarter of the poorest country in Europe, a shithole with corruption bad enough to make Czechia look like Norway. They did so after taking a million casualties (that's approximately 16x the amount of hospitalized, missing, or dead US troops in the entire 19 years of the Vietnam War) and that's just SO FAR. The Russians use foreign fighters from India and North Korea since they've bled the poor regions of their country dry, and their entire workforce is built around an economic coping mechanism that collapses once the war's over. And most of their tanks are fucking gone.
Not to say they won't try, but the Russians aren't much of a threat to anyone outside of Russia, Belarus, or Ukraine. The Estonians could probably hold the line easily, and that's before NATO cripwalks in.
And yes, despite what DW is trying to tell you about Trump or whatever, the US will be there. Mostly to keep the Estonians from going a little too warcrimey and apeshit against the underequipped, undertrained mobiks getting thrown into a minefield on the border.

>>63941141
“Grassroots” is politically irrelevant. What relevant are big money and public sector unions. Everything below those are just small cogs in the huge public spending regime. Western governments today are just spending troughs, there is no leadership just employees of the public buffet. That’s why nothing changes no matter who gets voted in.

>>63941221
Thinking like that is how the system works. Remember, if they didn't need each cog to do their part, they wouldn't be spending billion and billions on propaganda and other circuses.
But to say change is impossible would be ignorant of history. Co-opted, sure, which is why great care is needed, but impossible is a stretch to say the least.

Can we get fucking sharty to hit this site again?

>>63939330
hey man i know you already got your shit pushed in for being a dumb fag, but why cant i find this quote anywhere

>>63935155
0

>>63937552
Ah, yes, the Slovene Soviet Socialist Republic, or SSSR. Very illusive in those "gotcha" games the kids play

>>63935195
Explain to me why your betters should care about funding yet ANOTHER retard Slav conflict.
>B-b-but Russia invaded a sovereign nation
Yeah, they did. Anything beyond sanctions isn’t our problem though. Fight your own retard war, our munitions should be kept for ourselves.

>>63941629
You can always leave anon

>>63942009
>our munitions should be kept for ourselves
wrong, we shouldn't have any. remember George Washington. disband the continental army again.

>>63942009
>just let him invade you
Did everyone just become a pussy in the past year or something

There is already an article out that multiple high ranking pentagon officials got surprised by this because none of the weapons that got stopped are actually at risk of running out. A lot of them are even already in Poland and it would be too expensive to ship them back, so they will rot away in some warehouse.
DUI hire Hegseth just stopped the deliveries on his own, most likely following an order of his orange daddy before he had his phone call with grandpa Putin.

>>63942082
Hegseth is one of the most demonic members of the cult, effortlessly.

>>63942082
Hegseth is too incompetent for this. it's Bridge and Vought.

>>63941177
He believes it because believing it suits his political goals to believe it and he believes that is sufficient reason to justify belief
Don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone forms beliefs as a means of discerning genuine truth, that is very much a western thing

>>63939330
1) That's a fake quote
2) Love her or hate her, Ursula has done more for the white race than 99% of the shitposters on this website, given she's the mother of 7 (seven) white children

>>63942009
If you don't want to get involved, don't sign treaties that will force you to get involved in case of a conflict and make you look like a weak cuck if you don't.

>>63939330
>6 replies
11/10 b8

>>63942009
>Anything beyond sanctions isn’t our problem though
>what is breaking your obligations
>what is nuclear proliferation

>>63942034
A ton of miggers are actually cucks

>>63942171
>don't sign treaties that will force you to get involved in case of a conflict and make you look like a weak cuck if you don't.

precisely no one signed any 'treaties' to get inolved in any conflict ukraine starts

fight.
your.
own.
wars.

>>63943544
give.
them.
nukes.
back.

simple as

>>63942167
I too would have tried for a mother's cross in silver if I were that guy.

>>63943544
oh they are fightinh their war
couldn't stop Trump from fondling Putin's balls anyway though

>>63942082
As with most policies of this administration in the last six months have shown, the cruelty is the point. These are weak men who revel in making others suffer because it makes them feel strong. So they hate Ukraine because in spite of its appearance as a weak and poor nation, it has stood up to the supposed Russian "war machine" and kept standing. When faced with this cognitive dissonance the answer is obvious: make Ukraine fall to uphold their world view. I'm voting dem in every election until the Republican party stops being a cult.

>>63943888
dems are those geniuses that think playing-dead is a good strategy against djt.
when republicans are in a minority, they still would cause a ruckus in congress -- not play dead.

>>63944248
True enough, but there is no better alternative.

>>63935195
Sorry goy Israel needs those Patriots now

>>63935144 (OP)
Wasn’t Germany supposed to make PAC3s locally like PAC2s?

>>63947661
Seems like there is at least some intent for that.
>In early May, it was announced that the companies had signed a memorandum outlining the creation of a European center of competence for the production and distribution of missiles and missile systems, aimed at strengthening the security and independence of Europe.
>The possible candidates for production listed the ATACMS, GMLRS/GMLRS-ER, Hellfire, JAGM, and PAC-3 missiles.
>According to the CEO of Rheinmetall, the production line will be ready in 12-13 months. Final assembly will also take place there. Research and development work will be carried out jointly with Lockheed Martin, which means that intellectual property rights will also be based in Europe.
>However, the project requires approval from the U.S. government, which both partners are working on. Papperger expects that after missile engine production begins next year, missile production will start in 2027. Production will ramp up in 2028 and 2029.

>>63947879
>>63947661
Will probably be cockblocked with enough ITAR to prevent any shipments to Ukraine

>>63935144 (OP)
someone did the math
https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1941582838198870044