They dropped the X from it's name so you know it's official official now

>>63940170 (OP)
will never match the M4

>>63940170 (OP)
>Inferior goyslop rifle
Don’t care.

>>63940170 (OP)
As official as the M14 or Krag-Jorgensen.

>>63940170 (OP)
And it's about to be X-iting the military

Yeah we know you keep making this thread. Go back to shitting on the street

>>63940170 (OP)
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>63942134
X: The Everything Rifle

>>63940170 (OP)
Sig firearms are safe an effective. Stop with this blatant hatred just because the military knows what's best for the troops. You all are just basement commandos. That's why you're poor and unemployed.

>>63943607
Go away Ron Cohen.

you just know all the spear haters are guys who said the army should re-adopt a battle rifle because they're 'based' but then once sig won the trials they decided battle rifles are stupid again.

>>63943607
>the military knows what's best for the troops
Didn't realize the burnpits were the best for us! Shit! This really puts the cancer we're all getting in a different light! Thanks! How about you go huff one in Iraq's asshole.

>>63944157
>We

you are a pro-china provocateur

>>63940170 (OP)
An akm is unironically superior

>>63944157
You're anti-American and should be deported you America hater. I bet you hate Israel too.

>>63940188
Yes. Expect at least a decade of active use.

>>63944660
Believe it or not /k/ would unironically actually say this. They genuinely think the west and NATO are the good guys and wouldn’t pass up a good conflict of human suffering and misery to live out their fantasies of larping as generals behind their computer screens.

>>63944677
>The good guys
Holy fuck you're stupid, the world isn't a comic book, grow up. There are no good guys and bad guys there are competing powers, everything else is just propaganda

>>63944677
Never said there was, tell that to the Ukraine spam fags that have shit up the board the last 3 years.

>>63944740
>Ukraine spam fags
like Armatard? or the guy who keeps spamming interracial porn every time a Russian oil depot blows up?

>>63944796
I wouldn’t know I come to this board for weapon related discussion

>>63944660
>Not hating Israel if you love America
A bunch of brown squatters pretending to be real Semites and “le Chosen” and antagonizing an entire region of the world because they’re greedy control freaks is not the white man’s problem. We should cut those rats loose.
>>63943607
Bad bait. Sigfags and their inferior slop products are not welcome here.

>>63940170 (OP)
>officially the M50 reising of the 21st century

>>63944388
I hate the chinks you actual fucking retard. I'm just not gonna spit-shine some higher-up's ballsack because I actually fucking served and know damn well that we're human, THEY'RE human, and as humans, neither they nor we always make the right decision. The rifle is one case, the burnpits and the subsequent denial that was the cause for over a decade is another. How about the Lejeune chemical leaks or the fucking jetfuel in the water at Hickam? At least fucking try to rub your braincells together before sperging the fuck out, dude.
>>63944660
>You're anti-American and should be deported you America hater
I was unaware actually giving a shit about the soldiers and airmen I served alongside is anti-American. Take your (you), sit down, go back to getting methanol poisoning from your home-distilled Appalachian 'shine and butt the fuck outta this conversation, Cleetus.

>>63943607
>safe an effective
Go back to the poop gutter patel

>>63944955
You deserve to be deported. You're a traitor and a racist. Go figure. The two go hand in hand.
>>63945204
Again. racist. The facts are clear as day. There's nothing wrong with SIG weapons. They work and they work.The army wouldn't adopt them if they didn't. Grow up.

>>63945370
>Seething rabbi is angry that the based Burger retards are nooooticing
Get in the boxcar, rat.

>>63945370
>Wah wah wah deport everyone I don't like wahhhhhh
Shut the fuck up. Sig Sauer doesn't deserve the rifle contract, they don't deserve the pistol contract either, I'd give them the ammo contract but they've gotten so many goddamn military contracts that it's suspicious as fuck, especially with the recent issues of their guns going off on their own (and don't try to deny it, it's been documented). We're right to notice, and we're right to call it the fuck out, especially with the pretty frequent complaints from the troops.

>>63945370
You're talking like racism is a bad thing lmao

>>63945815
Fuck off back to /pol/ waaaaah waaaah.

>>63945815
Fuck off back to /pol/ waaaaah waaaah. Putin lost Trump lost Iran lost israel won ukraine won.

>>63945941
>>63945933
I'm not from /pol/, never been on that board except to watch Wagner march on Putin's ass. I'm very much pro-Ukraine and anti-Iran. It's honestly just kinda sad watching you sperg out like this over acknowledging that a gun manufacturer is likely engaging in bribery to get military contracts and that their rifle and pistol that they sold the US military on are sub-par. You act like a fucking toddler.

>>63940170 (OP)
>Fifty shades of brown.

>>63940170 (OP)
So why was this made when Larue and LMT were already pumping out quality 6.5 mememor rifles that are more accurate and lite weight by comparison to this of Indian steel?

>>63946082
6.8 sigger has similar performance out of a 13" barrel compared to 6.5 sneedmore out of a 22" barrel.

>>63946090
at the cost of an incredibly short barrel life and insanely high case pressures, and being as expensive if not moreso as well as high recoil. It isn't good.

>>63946123
I didn't say it was. But OAL was a requirement and being good wasn't. If they cared about anything that matters, they would have ended up with the M27 (possibly a lightened version, it could easily shed a pound without affecting performance or reliability) and polymer case M855A1.

>>63940170 (OP)
>name the m4 successor m5
>name the m249 successor m250
>rename the m5 to m7 but leave the m250 unchanged so now they don't match anymore
wtf is wrong with the military

When WW3 happens evey military personal is gonna go back to their trusty M4 cause Russia and China are gonna be so close to America service men they can understand the English spoken at the front line
Why does the M7 suck at CQB? Because China and Russia are not gonna let America be out of 500 meters range of the front line
So, Russia and China are gonna keep pushing?
Yes! Look at a map and notice how much less Russia has to go to conquer Europe than America has to conquer Russia
How are we gonna shoot and scute with our M7 rifles WHEN WE HAVE NO LAND LEFT TO RUN TO??!!
M4s are the future
If you want a Sig in American serviceman hands, then give them the Sig MCX Spear Lt 5.56
You'll have your Sig, and you will have a better weapon than the M7 for WW3
peace Anons

>>63940188
>Krag-Jorgensen.
christ you posers are now saying the krag was shit too?

>>63946163
Are you okay? are you having a stroke?

>>63946184
he's just a retard who thinks guns don't work under their maximum effective range

>>63946143
Yeah I know, it's just that i wish that the performance requirements didnt come at that cost. It's gonna be a pain in the ass to deal with and will probably cost a pretty penny over its lifetime even if they offered the army a good deal on the rifles themselves and didn't just throw a bunch of bribe money, fancy dinners and well paying job prospects at the people running the program. It really feels like the RM277 shoulda won or that we ought to have stuck with the M-4 given everything that's been coming out.

>>63946230
>It really feels like the RM277 shoulda won or that we ought to have stuck with the M-4 given everything that's been coming out.
Okay but how would that have helped sig or isreal out?

>>63946184
The Sig Sauer weapons contract is gonna kill our grunts by having them lack critical firepower and maneuverbility to supress and flank the enemy, and the whole Vietnam situation will run it's head again where we go to A LIGHT WEIGHT RIFLE THAT FIRES AN INTERMEDIATE CARTRIDGE

>>63946237
It wouldn't have and that woulda been fine. Not only did Sig have the pistol contract (not that they should've in my opinion)and a number of ammo contracts but their civilian firearms like the MCX and P365 sell like hot cakes. They would still make a huge profit at the end of the year and the US would've not only kept a diversified supply chain (which is good because you don't want a single point of failure for your rifles, pistols and amminition all; if the company's QC goes down now all of those are suffering for it rather than one aspect), but also encourage research and development as well as domestic industry and healthy competition.
I don't really give a fuck about the Israeli/Jew connection gonna be real. The Israelis have their own firearms industrial sector so I don't think they particularly give a shit regarding that.

>>63946265
that's what the drones are for bucko

>>63946230
>It really feels like the RM277 shoulda won
You should read about people's actual experiences with the RM277. It's genuinely a piece of shit, significantly less accurate than even the Sig. The Textron was the obvious choice, but Textron lost interest when the Army told them they were't going to lease a fucking rifle.

>>63946283
SMOLL AND SEXY

>>63940188
You’d best mind how you speak of your betters

>>63946283
Russia will gain initiative when America shoot and scute with their drones, all Russia will have to do is keep advancing when there is no frontlines to stop them

Post Soviet Materialism and manufacture won't be stopped by American drones, M7s, and punitive new tactics when the Russian Red horde pushes America's forces out of Europe
The drone, and M7 fad won't beat historic doctrine and strategy

Russia is playing a game of go (a Chinese board game where you attempt to conqueror land, and place your foe in the smallest place possible)
While America thinks in terms of Chess when they are on the smallest part of the European Peninsula

We agree to disagree

>>63946339
in what fantasy conflict? did you forget about the entirety of NATO? lmao

>>63940170 (OP)
I think the calibre upgrade is justified since you'll mostly be just taking one shot at a time at people and drones 500m away using your auto-targeting scope.

>>63946371
The EU has already bend the knee to America
>>63946339
>The drone, and M7 fad won't beat historic doctrine and strategy
yea them conscripts aren't coming within 2000m of any US FOB

>>63946371
Thanks for the input, and what Nato? The European countries that don't pay 3% of their GPD to Nato for defence?
We'll wait for the rest of Europe to defend itself without America doing 97% of the load
The Pols and French will fight with America, but not the rest of NATO
America, France and Poland will be doing the bulk of the fighting, Anon

Good luck NATO; America, France, and Poland is what keeping Nato a threat to Russia
Again, thanks Anon for proving my point that America is the deterrent, and NOT NATO

>>63946149
Because copyright bullshit taking M5 and M6 so sig had to go to M7, or so I've heard

>>63946396
Is that what is happening in Ukraine? Are the Frontlines within 2000 meters of any Ukrainian FOB and advancing toward Ukrainian FOBs?
Our wonderwaffle technology is not going to stop the onslaught of conscript warmachine to create a frontline at America's FOBs, Anon
Peace, and I loved the debate and to grieve for our US soldier in WW3
Goodnight, Anons

>>63946165
I mean it was a clearly flawed rifle and wasn't as good as a Mauser or Lee despite having a sick magazine design. Still, calling the Krag a bad gun is some nogunz historylet retardation, but ARfags are desperate to force a parallel to make their gun look perfect. If anything the M4 is in the same place as the M1/2 carbine in the 50s, it's not gonna have a comeback but there will be a new rifle that follows its philosophy of maximizing effectiveness while minimizing weight

NGSW in our hearts

>>63945941
>Trump lost
Lmao, update your shill script.

t. pissed off m4tards who refuse to accept changes. Be glad that old Colt piece of shit is getting replaced by a superior SIG weapon.

>>63946391
>taking shots at drones 500m away with a rifle

hilarious. you cant even SEE drones 500m away man

>>63940170 (OP)
They made the right choice in the 270/6.8. After that every single decision was made by someone who's skin has never seen sunlight

>>63947267
You also can't hit anything at 500m with a 4 MOA rifle.

>>63947309
That's a 20 inch group. You can hit a man at that distance.

>>63947309
4 moa is not as bad as you think it is, anon.

>>63940170 (OP)
I'll admit, I've ignored the M7 for the entirety of its existence.
What exactly distinguishes it mechanically from an M4?

>>63940170 (OP)
All you faggots laughed at the muhreens for backdooring the M27, and yet here we are.

>>63947262
I am now going to imagedump the M4 just because it is infinitely better than this M7 will be

>>63947543

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>>63944122
No, I thought it was stupid from the beginning and many of the requirements were completely impractical and unnecessary.
>every infantryman needs to make 1 shot hits on enemies over 400m away and that shot needs to be able to pen body armor at even longer ranges.

>>63944677
I don't like Muslims and I'm not big senpai of Jews in case even half the retarded conspiracies about them are true.
So seeing the only Jewish state turn half the world against it while it wipes out an enclave of Muslims that lives off western gibs and undermines Iran is win win for me. Only issue I have is that our own politicians bow to their demands.

>>63946184
>buying large stockpiles of entirely new and more expensive ammunition costs more than topping up existing stockpiles of cheaper ammunition
Who new

>>63947551

>>63947575

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>>63947592

>>63947595

>m4 fags acting like trannies again
Nice obsolete peashooter

>>63947335
>>63947336
As long as he's standing square to you and you're shooting from a supported position with good form. If your target gets smaller or you start compounding additional inaccuracies you're hitting shit.

>>63947344
Isn't it just an ar18 derivative that is chamber in a pissing hot round?

Remind me, does the M7 keyhole at 5 yards?

>>63947602
>we shoot the whole bullet

>>63946277
>the Israelis have their own firearms industrial sector
Indeed, if someone pitched the SIG XM7 or the P320 to the IDF and IMI they'd get laughed at and told to go back home. Besides Uncle Sam flips the bill for their military so they don't need to make retarded budget cuts or even reasonable budget cuts.
On another note holy crackers what a waste the military contract P320's were as well, it would have been cheaper just to give armories a bulk orders of spare Beretta parts oh but that wouldn't be 'cool' 'futuristic' and 'modular' or whatever retarded meaningless buzzwords these committees come up with to justify wasting tax dollars on automatic leg hole punchers and castration devices. Either that or just give everyone Glocks or M&P's at that point.

>>63947262
>Be glad that old Colt piece of shit
Yeah because they went bankrupt somehow managed to come back from the dead and are now just gonna stick to making Pythons and SAA revolvers till the end of time, meanwhile BCM, Noveske and a dozen other companies are doing the serious AR work.

>>63947650
>Isn't it just an ar18 derivative that is chamber in a pissing hot round?
I don't know, hence why I'm asking.

>>63947770
ancient jarhead secret

>>63940170 (OP)
>Hey guys check out my new heavy piece of shit designed to replace the old heavy piece of shit, it's the same piece of shit, with similar weight and ballistics, just considerably more expensive.
What was wrong with the SCAR-H? Palms weren't being greased anymore?

>>63947613
I'm not even American and I recognise the M4 is legendary

>>63947912

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>>63947916

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>>63947830
See: >>63946090 >>63946143

>>63946403
M7 isn't even Sig's name, it's the Army's. Colt had no legal standing for a lawsuit but the Army thought it would be easier to just change the name than deal with legal bullshit.

>>63947592
How did Eokek become so predominate in the third world anyway? Kenyans roll around with them too as seen in their occupation of Haiti.

>>63947951
They're actually quite affordable and don't have nearly the same amount of strings attached like a tritium fueled ACOG does. Plus they're just plain good, no reason to buy an alternative if you can just order eokeks and call it a day

>>63940170 (OP)
This is the third time you posted this thread and its still not true.

>>63947951
>kenyans are occupying Haiti.

Wut. Did they invent ships and sail on over to Haiti?

>>63949192
UN policing force sent over there, that's all. Probably still a major step up given how horrific that country is.

>>63947796
As much as i love the M9 and dislike the 320, i really think the army wanted to start putting optics on pistols. Simply put there is no smart way of putting a dot on a 92 since its effectively a P38 dragged kicking and screaming to the 2020's now. (((SIG))) and Glock are just flat better at that.

>>63946300
The only thing i ever recall people complaining about was it was a bullpup and saying the polymer ammo was totally going to melt.

>>63947262
m4s have a lot of meat left on er anon

>>63947796
>meanwhile BCM, Noveske and a dozen other companies are doing the serious AR work.

shit thread until the m4 poster showed up btw

>>63944677
>good guys
fuck off with your heckin marvel movie morality faggot. Your government sucks, my government sucks, Chang's government sucks, Pidors government sucks. My government sucking does not mean I am going to suck the dick of the collective global south like some fifth columnist faggot.

>>63950009
based and reasonablepilled

>>63949928
Still retarded that they felt the need to build an entire line of pistols from the ground up when Smith an Wesson where already making cheap optics ready pistols for quite some time now. Plus it would actually be MADE IN AMERICA™ (from assembled Taiwanese parts as apposed to assembled Indian parts) if anyone actually cares about that.

>>63950009
Negative iq reading comprehension to assume I pick sides like the average /k/ NATO dickrider. I’ll do "GoOd gUyS/s" so your reddit brain will understand next time.

>>63947613
>XM7 peasants when their shitass IndiJew rifle is obsolete before it even gets adopted
Stoner Supremacy, you say?

>>63949936
thats because nobody did. The RM227 was fine but they were always going to pick SIG

AK has been superior since 1947. 7.62*39 is the optimal solution. Not too big not too small.

>>63949975
Thank you

>>63949975
Now it's shit and gay

The kind of barely literate arfcom boomerposters that we used to regularly mock on /k/ now regularly post here in /arg/ and appear in NGSW threads to ramble about how we're going to go back to M4 and how great 6.5 sneedmore is. For some reason no one points it out or tries to milk them like the lolcows they are. Sad.

>>63940170 (OP)
I really hope they fixed the magazine issue.

>>63951544
On the contrary
>>63951562
Idk what kind of weird conclusion you've made up in your head about people with taste but M4 > M7

>>63952848

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>>63952856

>>63952863

>>63952867

>>63952875

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>>63950083
>(from assembled Taiwanese parts as apposed to assembled Indian parts) if anyone actually cares about that.
I care about that, Taiwan's beautiful place. Been there for a week on a businesses trip and it was a 10/10 experience. I would gladly go to China minus Communism organ harvesting and smog any day.
So I'm not bothered by a little bit of Taiwan Chinesium in my guns.

Also holy shit PC parts are stupid cheap there, just a word of advice to any /g/ay bros looking to upgrade their PC and go on a nice vacation.

>>63952875
mexian sf should have big 308 guns to penetrate those penetrate those big cartel penis trucks they like to supe up so much.

>>63944583
a fucking busted up FAL from 1954 is superior
it's so shit

>>63953426
>PC upgrade vacation
If customs weren't so fucking gay I'd book the next flight. I also hear they make really great cooking knives from old gun barrels and artillery shells

>>63953524
>I also hear they make really great cooking knives from old gun barrels and artillery shells
Funny thing about that, half of those artillery shells they're turning into knives were originally lobbed at them during Mao's many failed attempts to forcefully re-integrate the island under the CCP out of absolute bitter spite. Wanna know what's even funnier? Half of those knives are sold back to the mainland every year thus bolstering their economy.

let's say the US Army does have some secret sauce penetrator round cooked up for the M7, some kind of saboted DU shit like oxide shot in that one .308 video. Let's say it goes through modern body armor like butter.
If you're a chink and all of a sudden people are getting shot in the plate and dying, how big of a morale hit is that?
Is it true overmatch that's worth ditching the advantages of the M4?
Just a little thought experiment.
DUDS video for those who haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtdmsZ4Csn8&t=219s

>>63940188
M14 doesn't quite work because it was an attempt at sticking with battle rifles when assault rifles had already proved superior. There's an M14 mindset in the XM7 though.

The Krag REALLY doesn't work because it very much was a concrete upgrade compared to the rifles in previous service, and it wasn't even half bad, rather a mix of the design of the rifle and the less than perfect metallurgy (the same problem haunting very early Springfields, subpar heat treating), doomed it when the army decided that it wanted a Mauser like everyone else.
When they were eventually surplused, they became quite beloved as hunting rifles in civilian life.

>>63945032
Reising doesn't work either, it was brought in as a stopgap to outfit the Marines with SOME kind of subgun, just because the Army had dibs on all the Thompsons and the Navy had no other options.
Far from perfect, but the idea was probably that it'd be better than no subgun at all.

>>63946090
Hilariously, this is undone by he catastrophically loud XM7 needing a suppressor which makes it basically as long as a full length rifle anyway. MWAH MWAH.

>>63944665
Active? More like lethargic use here and there before it eventually disappears in 8 years. I'm more interested in a theoretical M4A2

>>63949192
Haiti went tits up, and only Kenya volunteered to send peacekeeping troops in exchange for payment.
This should tell you all sorts of things about just how totally fucked Haiti is.

>>63946163
>and Russia
Lol, lmao even.

>>63947344
Well lemme list some things off the top of my head
>Weighs 12 pounds unloaded
>suppressor makes it front heavy on top of a heavy piston making it front heavy anyways l
>taking suppressor off makes the gun war shatteringly loud to an unacceptable degree
>20 round mags lmao
>heavier ammo
>complicated ammo manufacturing process which leads to case splitting
>pissing nigger hot rounds which btfo the barrel life down to 10k rounds(lmao) and also still leads to case splitting
>optics system that is a computer...so it breaks automatically when in real use
>optics system is retard b8 because it doesn't actually aim for you and is basically a BDC for people with room temp IQ, when it even works
>unacceptably inaccurate
>big recoil
>made by SIG so it's got Indian parts in it
>made by SIG so it's bound to have insane QC issues
>soldiers will not be able to effectively put down suppressive fire compared to enemies armed with lighter guns that recoil less and carry more ammo
>the entire design ethos was intended to fight an enemy that doesn't exist in a battlefield situation we already have other tools to deal with
This is just me spitballing without thinking about it much. Some fucking nerd can come by and try to ERM ACTUALLY me on this shit but I'm more or less on the money as a brief overview of the problems of the gun

>>63954092
>>optics system is retard b8 because it doesn't actually aim for you and is basically a BDC for people with room temp IQ, when it even works
Trijicon already solved that problem decades ago and somehow for a fraction of the cost. Why does the MIC keep trying to reinvent the wheel?

>>63950975
>>63949936
The RM277 had a stupid open/closed bolt switch that no one asked for, even worse accuracy than the Spear, and the worst trigger in all history.

>>63953715
A suppressor was always a requirement of the program, it would have had one regardless of how loud it was unsuppressed.

>>63953588
They don't though. It comes in three flavors: sintered copper, skinny M80A1, and skinny ADVAP.

>>63954092
I'll akshually you on the barrel life. Some Army O3 put out a report on the thing after a long ass exercise with the M7. That piece of shit was eroding its barrel near the gas port so badly it was fucking up the rifling and accuracy within about 2k rounds. Think he mentioned something about that erosion becoming a safety hazard as well.

>>63953524
>If customs weren't so fucking gay I'd book the next flight.
Fellow leaflander? Happens all the time to me too.

Excluding all the shitposting are we realistically ever going to see milspec ammo released commercially?

>>63953715
>an attempt at sticking with battle rifles when assault rifles had already proved superior.
That sounds exactly like the M7 (née XM7, née XM5)—the excuse is different, but a battle rifle is a battle rifle and none of the practical realities that favor assault rifles for general service have changed.
>The Krag REALLY doesn't work because
The Krag is notoriously one of, if not *the*, shortest-serving US Army general-issue rifles ever. Her technical merits are basically irrelevant. Also "less than perfect metallurgy" is a period-correct stand-in for whatever Sig-Saar clusterfuck the M7 suffers that we haven't heard about yet.

>>63940188
More like the Lee Navy, complete with its pissin' hot round, for the time anyway.

>>63954147
>The RM277 had a stupid open/closed bolt switch that no one asked for
It's a good idea if you're submitting basically the same gun for the NGSW-R and NGSW-AR, and frankly it's a good idea in general—the ideal assault rifle shoots from a closed bolt when it's pretending to be a rifle and an open bolt when it's pretending to be an LMG.

>>63955095
130 years from now, people might praise the M7 as being ahead of its time. That doesn't do anyone any good now, though.

>>63940188
The krag wasnt bad, the trapdoor springfield was, simply for being in service for too long

>>63953715
>Hilariously, this is undone by he catastrophically loud XM7 needing a suppressor which makes it basically as long as a full length rifle anyway.
You're right about everything else but is this really a problem if you plan on issuing cans anyways?

Krag > Springfield btw

>>63955105
The AR wasn't identical, it had a different barrel, and also there's no evidence that open bolt would have been beneficial for it. The M27 is closed bolt and doesn't have cookoff problems, and polymer cases transfer less heat to the chamber as well as preventing heat from reaching the propellant from the chamber.

>>63955034
No, burger. Fuckers took my dijon mustard even though I got it at the duty free store. What's even wilder is that they didn't catch the 2 rounds of 9mm that I accidentally took with me

>>63955084
Almost. The M14 was the insistence to not go forward, while the XM7 is an attempt at going backwards after we've already gone forwards for a very long time.

>>63955189
The cans don't really even tame the noise that much either apparently

>>63955084
>Also "less than perfect metallurgy" is a period-correct stand-in for whatever Sig-Saar clusterfuck the M7 suffers that we haven't heard about yet.
U.S Krag Rifles weren't stronk enough to handle the hotrodding they wanted to do to try to match the range of 7.92mm Mauser, which is not a problem if you're just sticking to the normal .30-40 U.S Krag load that it was originally built around, it'll last just fine if you do that. That's why American Krags lived a century as hunting rifles just alright, and also why original Norwegian Krags actually handled 6.5mm Swedish and 7.92mm Mauser just fine, their metallurgy was better.

Springfield's metallurgy at the time was just good enough for what the U.S Krag was originally meant to be. Not as good as it should have been, and eventually they fixed that with the Springfield 1903, but it was good enough to work with.
Sig Saar's metallurgy today is the least of their problems, rather theirs is sketchy mechanical design and hilariously bad quality control, before we even factor in the bullshit circus that is the NGSW as a concept.

>>63955972
I fucking bet, it's a 6.8mm Short Magnum, the suppressor is mainly there to reign in the roaring blast from such a high pressure round with such a short barrel.

>>63955970
Imagine when the Army adopted the Garand, some retard general somewhere insisted this was a mistake and started a new program to make the US go back to large bore blackpowder repeaters.

>>63955189
Quite tubes should be deployed with 300BLK carbines or given to dudes guarding fortified fixed positions so it doesn't matter how long and heavy they are and at that point you might as well have them next to an armory of LMG's and precision rifles at that point.

>>63955238
Well yeah, he can't put 9mm ammo on his sandwich later.

>>63956021
The Garand replaced a bolt action rifle chambered in the same cartridge.

>>63957228
Yes it does, but read the rest of my post.

>>63953826
man that is grim

>>63957215
That's because he's a bitch with shit taste. He ruined my mustard and ammo sandwich

>>63946165
honestly, as an early 1900 design for a military rifle, its shit (yes i know its from the 1800's, but it was still used long after)
its simply not fit for the more modern wars it started to be pushed into, the ingresses of dirt kill it too easily
other than that, fucking great rifle, super buttery smooth, i love both of mine