When did the SAA evaporate on contact to 10k goat herders in Toyota pickups despite Russia and Iran providing them with $40 billion in aid and thousands of troops over a decades+ period? Why couldn’t they fight their own war in an even limited fashion?

What was even the point? Their support structure had evaporated, and who wants to be a hero for a dead regime. Same deal as Afghanistan with the ANA.

>>63978210 (OP)
Russia got to keep its bases, Iran got to keep its factories, the secular baathist dog got deposed. It's a win win for everyone involved

>>63978210 (OP)
That's like after 14 years of war, and they were worn down to hell. The government infrastructure was nothing, and they turned to creating literal designer drugs to sell to outsiders to keep the funds flowing. Then they got hit by lightning strikes, with multiple reports of comms jamming (likely outside help). Without any ability to coordinate, they had no option other than to flee.

>>63978210 (OP)
No one wants to die for a falling tyrant
When Putins glamour finally breaks the Russian army in Ukraine will vanish so fast you'll wonder if it was even really there at all

>>63978210 (OP)
Turkey backed them with artillery strikes and drones, it was a matter of time before nato supported the al qaeda offensive by arming the syrian free army they were training in al tanf and bashar knew he had a very narrow window to escape a gaddafi lynching

>>63978252
>Russia got to keep its bases
May we see it?

>>63978210 (OP)
Syrian soldiers were only in the Army to get paid, it was a job to them and Assad had just halved their paycheck down to something ridiculous like 5$ a month.

>>63978210 (OP)
>haven been paid your wage in months
>rations are poor and stale at best
>get stuck doing fuck all for years
>know that the regime rich guys are still living it up
>only there because you know that if you run you get shot and your family gets mistreated
>suddenly the officer and his aid bolt
>hear that the guys to the left of you have ran
>tf are you still staying there
the regime managed to cling on but never to rebuild

>>63978252
>we lost the biggest thorn in israel's side stopping them from raping us from the air
>then they raped is from the air
>this is fine.

>>63978395
You have my permission to use google maps.

>>63978512
The deputy foreign affairs minister confirmed like a week ago at the UN that the base wasn't in use. Some other fuck announced last month that they were still in talks to try and get them back. No one is disputing that the concrete isn't still there.

>>63978416
I read a Russian think tank saying (take with some skepticism but found it interesting) that the Russians were trying to shift the SAA into a contract model with better pay like what they do, while the Iranian system was to use a lot of militias. When HTS launched their offensive -- which also came at a time when Hezbollah was gravely weakened -- the SAA was in a transition phase where they had demobilized a lot of conscript soldiers while shifting over to this Russian contract model (which hadn't kicked in yet), and Iran had also sent a lot of the militia fighters home because nothing happened for awhile.

This raises some other questions though, but the long and short of it is that the SAA was terribly underpaid, understrength, and demoralized. The economic situation in Syria was terrible.

>>63978571
That legitimately sounds like cope on their behalf

>>63978497
Assad never harmed Israel. Not like his outdated AA can stop anything Israeli anyway, and Iran can always station shit in Iraq if they wanted a buffer but the problem is they don't have that can intercept Israeli shit
>>63978395
Sure

>>63978210 (OP)
Keep in mind that for all the hype about how Assad had "won" the Syrian civil war huge swathes of the country were still under the control of anti-government forces. But the economy was in shambles, so Assad decided to downsize the already very attritioned SAA because he figured he had overwhelming Russian and Iranian support. Then Ukraine and the Gaza boogaloo happened. The minority of semi-sober VKS pilots were pulled out of the country, and most of the Hezbollah foot soldiers (or at least their officers and NCOs) got pagered. Meanwhile, the HTS had been reconstituting and taking serious notes on drone warfare at a time when everything that had allowed Assad to force a favorable deadlock for his regime was gone.

>>63978636
>Assad never harmed Israel.

>>63978611
Probably but Assad shifting forces into the reserves (who weren't in the field when the offensive happened) and trying to move to a contract enlistment system was real. They were in phase one of this chart. Articles from last year:

>More broadly, the Syrian Ministry of Defense has pursued a large reform initiative for the past several years, seeking to transition the SAA from a conscript military to a volunteer army. Muhsen al-Mustafa, a researcher at the Omran Center for Strategic Studies, has tracked this process closely. According to him, the Ministry of Defense has been moving many active duty soldiers into the reserve service, essentially a half step towards full demobilization, and then discharging many long-time reservists and allowing many veteran officers to voluntarily demobilize. According to his data, the regime discharged nearly 25,000 reserve service soldiers between 2023 and May 2024 while as many as 3,000 officers were allowed to end their service as well. This process has resulted in an army that still has a large reserve but a smaller pool of active duty soldiers that it can rely on in an emergency like this - and many of its most veteran officers have left.
https://www.syriarevisited.com/p/the-slow-collapse-of-the-syrian-army

>The regime’s lack of trust into its own army stems not only from the military's lack of professionalism but also social and sectarian reasons. Consequently, the regime has found it necessary to shift towards building a “professional army” composed of enlisted (volunteer) personnel, starting with a gradual reduction in the duration of reserve service as the first step toward redefining compulsory military service. However, this transition will take several more years to fully realize, ultimately helping to sustain the solid core upon which the regime has relied in its war against people.
https://www.muhsenalmustafa.com/syria-reserve-military-service

>>63978636
>2024-10-20
Anon...

>>63978636
>2024-10-20
annon that's almost a year ago

>>63978571
>taking Russian advice on year 2 of the 3 day special operation
Well..theres your problem

>>63978664

NTA but I think he means Bashar Al-Assad specifically, not his father or any of the earlier regimes.

>>63978636
>outdated AA
yeah like the newest versions of S300 and Pantsir

Apparently this guy is sodomising his way around Syria. Like how? With Turkish and Israeli drones and intelligence everywhere along with a new central government backed by dozens of different militias and factions he cannot have much breathing room

>>63978989
Mandick loves that fag

>>63978989

Holy SOVL

>>63979008
He likes realtree too

>>63978252
>actually we never needed Assad
wtf was the point of the war then? Russia spent 400 soldiers dead and billions spent for no purpose? Thousands of Iranians and Hezbollah died for nothing? Never mind the cost to Syria itself

>>63979067

Unfathomably based

In a world full of Multiscam shills, be this guy.

>>63979445
>Russia spent 400 soldiers dead and billions spent

bruh that's like 8 hours in Ukraine

>>63979476
A homosexual mudskin leading a paper unit that sounds like it's named by slopes during the Boshin war?
No thanks

>>63978210 (OP)
You should show more respect to the hilux. It has a long and respected war record.

>>63978989

Retard who doesn't keep with Syria here,

Who?

>>63978252
>puccia got to keep its bases
Some random guy walking around an abandoned russian base:
https://youtu.be/xWIEsFAJznk?si=xzHSmTkZAuG_3AlQ
Look how much shit they left behind bc they left in a hurry, lmao

>>63979647

Jesus Christ the conditions look primitive. And to think that the Russians were probably getting the better accommodations.

Fort Point in San Francisco was probably more sanitary and comfortable in its heyday than this place.

>>63979647
This youtube deserves it's own thread

>>63979647
>a bunch of out of date, rusted 60s soviet gear
>tarp covered hovels
>bed literally made out of planks
>Фтaлaзoл is also used to associated treatment for these conditions: Diarrhoea, Dysentery, Enteritis, Gastrointestinal Infections, Inflammatory Bowel Diseases (IBD), Spastic Pain of the Abdominal Wall, Spastic Pain of the Intestine
absolutely grim

>>63979647
That's a shitton of ordnance. I find it shocking that nobody looted it. Equally shocking that the kikes haven't bombed it to shit.

>>63978210 (OP)
Arabs are incompetent at warfare, that's all that there is to it.

>>63979880
It's worthless to HTS, they have nothing that flies to use it, and never will, the rest is just expired grad rockets, old expired grenades and rusted ammo. If they didn't take it, it's because it wasn't worth taking.

>>63979848
>>a bunch of out of date, rusted 60s soviet gear
Those K-13s have (relatively) new(ish) seekers (similar to the one on the R-60M).
Most of the rest is your typical sovietslop, can't really tell if 1972, or 1997 vintage, they all look equally run-down.

>>63979914
You can melt the explosive and cast it into something more useful. And some of those fuzes are still in sealed boxes (the wax blobs and strings were intact).

>>63979939
As I said, it is worthless to HTS. If they reach the point where they are making IEDs once again, they are fucked three ways to the Sabbat already. If the intention is to mount explosives on FPV drones, they already get supplied by Turkey, and no, pivoting south would be a really stupid idea that would invite even more harm to their already unstable larp of a country. The best they can do is have a sapper blow it all up before a goat herder blows himself up.

kek, Collapse of Syria is one of the worst humiliation of Puccian history.

>>63980122
One of the worst so far.

>>63979880

The Israeli Air Force only targeted former Syrian military installations if I recall. Also priority was given to targeting servicable aircraft, munitions were considered secondary, unairworthy planes weren't even targeted.

>>63979939

Syria has an abundance of explosives, ammunition, and captagon right now in case you haven't noticed.

someone link why arabs lose wars

>>63978210 (OP)
outside of russia soldiers are not jannies, they do not do it for free
syria was pretty much bankrupt for years and soldiers didn't get paid

>>63980914
Armies of Sand is better and more relevant, but nonetheless progressives called Kenneth Pollack's work "racist" and "orientalist" for years, but both have been proven right time and again.

>>63978281
Has the Captagon situation gotten any better since Assad was deposed?

>>63978571
Somebody forgot to tell Russia that a service contract model only works if you're a 1st world country with dozens to hundreds of billions of dollars in military budget.

>>63978512
>You have my permission

>>63978989
Am I supposed to know who these two faggots are?

>>63978252
russia got kicked out and their ports and airfields got given to gulf states. shia dogs got kicked out and are still being hunted

>>63978210 (OP)
Speaking of, how's it even possible for the cuck to just vanish like that? Wouldn't have you expected at least some rambling speeches, some more blaming of the Nazi JewSA etc, some empty threats or promises or at least some praise to Russia?

>>63981248
>that entire fucking tirade

>>63978210 (OP)
>Why couldn’t they fight their own war in an even limited fashion?
Because they were low-key a demotivated and demoralized occupation force

>>63978512
You have my permission to cry

>>63981248
What's the point, it's over. He'll never be able to return to Syria again. Might as well live a quiet life in Moscow with whatever money he was able to steal before fleeing.

>>63981248
>Speaking of, how's it even possible for the cuck to just vanish like that?
Because his Russian handlers told him to settle down and shut up.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-849128
>"One of the conditions for Bashar al-Assad's settlement in Moscow is his complete abstention from any media and political activity, and up to this point, no violations have been observed on his part," Russian Ambassador to Baghdad, Alperus Kotrashev, told the Islamic Republic News Agency.
Now that he has no power he's kind of a hinderance to Russia's mideast policy. I'd even venture a lot of folks in the FSB wanted to quietly dispose of him to avoid any hassle. But Putin evidently got personally spooked at seeing the videos of fellow dictator Gaddafi before his death. So he might legit want Assad kept safe in sanctuary as a kind of psychological security blanket.

>>63981314
I was trying to find that article, thanks. And yeah I think Putin allows failed dictators to take refuge in his country because he's afraid of what would happen if he was overthrown.

>>63978636
>Picture from 6 weeks before Assad's regime fell
Lol

>>63981248
Pretty amazing he got memory holed. He was the #1 guy of tankies and their hero and now they pretend he never existed or mattered in the first place.

>>63979883

Some are less competent than others. And guerrilla warfare actually seems to play up to their strengths rather than their weaknesses.

>>63982173
>tankies having memories or morals
Lol, lamo.

>>63978989
>>63979547
>>63981181

Forgot his name, but thats the General of the SAAs Tiger force.

Basically the only mech force that was worth a damn, with good training...dude won many battles and helped the SAA recover much of their lands...

Im pretty sure the twink is is Son tho, not his lover.

also, if dubs the SSA will rise again.

>>63981314
No way. No fucking way. I remember reading about picrel and it didn't seem too far fetched given how things played out but, man, how do you even accept that "deal"? How's death or even killing yourself not more honorable than that? You'd at least aim for some sort of cult for like going out in your own terms and not letting the Jews silence you or whatever, but how does willingly just fading away into absolute irrelevancy even play out for all the mouth-breathers you were such a hero to?

>>63978210 (OP)
Bump

>>63978989
>Neo-Assyrian soldier and his twink Elamite booty circa 665BC

>>63978395
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

>>63981278
>live a quiet life in Moscow
>Dependent on Putin's bodyguards

I hope Assad kept some of that captagon for himself, for his nerves.

>>63979987
what the hell is this bizzare cope and excuses. You can always use more explosives and metals as that anon hinted. No need to do mental gymnastics about how this is 40d chess move

>>63978210 (OP)

Arabs cannot fight wars (anymore). At least not in a nationalistic context as in "standing army". What happened in Syria happened before in Lebanon and before in Afghanistan.
For someone to die for somebody else there needs to be something that ties them together. In a Western country that's patriotism and shared values based on national ideals.something that doesn't exist in the middle east outside religion.

After Israel ass raped the Arab countries in the 6 day war it also erased all national identity from these countries. All allegiance in Arabia today runs along tribe, sect and clan. That works for warlordism and guerrilla warfare but not for an army. Arabs cannot work together because there is no "together".

It is also why Semites, including Arabs, are a cancer for the western world. Any western country works along nationalistic lines with some degree of collectivistic mechanisms like welfare. Semites invide this system like a tumor, thrive on it by faking patriotism and victimhood and giving nothing back.

>>63988124
It's said he liked to read his own poetry over loudspeakers aimed at enemy lines. Very Mad Max villain tier.

Did he die? I wonder what happened to him.

>But what of another story which circulates about The Tiger: that he also broadcasts his own poetry across his enemies’ front lines?

>He does not tell us this at first. He goes on about his belief in freedom, law, truth, not all qualities which one would associate with the Syrian regime but then he launches into the following piece of romanticism: “My heart is like a rock. My mind is as quiet as the sea. Nobody forgets that if the tide goes out, the sea swallows everything. The moonlight is very beautiful, but this moonlight can withdraw the oceans with the ebb and flow of the tide.”

>Yes, he agrees after some seconds, he broadcasts this across the front lines. In separate conversations with us, his officers agree the story is true.

Israel just blew up the Syrian military HQ live on Al Jazeera.
https://nitter.poast.org/disclosetv/status/1945465724454994310

>>63978210 (OP)
The civil war started by having a massive chunk of The Syrian military defecting to form the free Syrian army (remember when those were relevant?)
So right off the bat Assad lost a big ass chunk of his army.
The population was also only ~11% Alawite despite being the ones in charge, so Sunnis (>80%) were absolutely on board with the fall of Assad.
And then came the various Salafis like al-qaeda (aka Jabhat al-Nusra aka Tahrir Al-Sham) and ISIS as well as regional minorities like the Kurds mobilizing and securing their own lands.
Before Russia got involved Assad was on borrowed time, he couldn't even stop the fall of territories on his own.
And then Russia got involved and demonstrated what an uncontested air force can do, essentially pausing any territory exchange indefinitely.
Years passed and we got
>Russia involved in Ukraine to the point of not being able to afford to invest more into Syria
>Iran never sent much beyond fuel, monetary assistance and "military advisors"
>Hezbollah command got Shalom'd by a bunch of pagers
So Tahrir Al Sham figured "hey, all their sponsors are out, let's try pushing"
They did and they found no one pushing back
So they kept going and the handful of government loyalists standing guard in checkpoints to keep up appearances didn't even bother trying to push back and understandably fucked off.
And they just kept going until they found themselves in Damascus going "lmao what just happened"

TL;DR: Syria's own army at this point was virtually non-existent for years, with the only thing keeping Assad out of Moscow being his allies.
The term "paper tiger" was thrown around a lot in regards to Russia, but Syria was THE paper tiger.
Like an elephant tied to a small stake, the moment the rebels tried pushing when Assad's patrons were preoccupied they realized there was no one there.

>>63978639
>The minority of semi-sober VKS pilots were pulled out of the country
If Russia were an open society, the books that would start to be written right now about the Russian intervention in Syria could have been pretty good.
t. guy who read book about Soviet-Afghan War that was written in Russia in 2010.

>>63988239
Arabs are servile cucks, not sure what's surprising to you.

>>63978210 (OP)
muslims can't fight

>>63991698
What's interesting about lobbing buildings at concrete housing and desert outposts
i think there are authors who fought with wagner anyway

>>63988239
>Chicken shit leader flees his country at the first sign of trouble without even making a token effort to rally his routing forces
>Possibly even sold out military secrets to one of his sworn enemies to facilitate said escape
>In exile he continues to exhibit servile chicken shit behavior
Who coulda guessed?