What happened to the wiki for /k/? I remember there buying guides on which guns or knives to buy based on your budget and use case.

Is there a backup of it anywhere?

>>63997505 (OP)
I second the question and thank OP for posting that image, i've been looking for it for a while.

>>63997505 (OP)
The guides became irrelevant when prices changed and new models came out. They were never updated and just faded into obscurity. Also a lot of these newfag tourists don’t even own guns and aren’t American.

It's on archive.org and the wikidump at time of death is at linkrel
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63619407/#q63646691

>>63997505 (OP)
Like this one?

>>63997505 (OP)
>>63997557
spbp
everything's been fucked since 2019 and It won't get better until retailers suffer for their price gouging.

If its poorfaggery you seek its bolt action sears shotguns loaded with walmart skeet load wax slugs, and learning how to cast lead slugs for your 99$ royal tiger carcano using brass salvaged and formed from parent cases found at your local scrapyard (while digging through their wheel weight bin for lead) or waiting until your local sporting goods store has a special before deer season on whatever bargain basement bolt gun and scope combo in a common caliber But I think plenty of people would be too lazy to actually do any of that anymore, and just complain about how expensive everything is.

yeah shit's fucked, but you can do things about it. figure out how to be reliant on components and understand how to replace them.
you may not be able to get something but having the ability to create something is worth the items tenfold.

>>63997585
>Error fetching Post No.63646691 from Desuarchive

>>63997814
desu is having intermittent downtime

>>63997825
Understood. I'm a old person and i have recently realized that archives of posts from 10-20 years ago are of great interest to me.

>>63997588
>>63997608
Tbh I just wanted the see the knife chart again. Fuck those faggots at fandom, it affected other boards like /lit/ too

>>63997883
The knife general still has them.

>>63997585
Would it be worth hosting using something like xwiki again?

>>63997557
This, /k/ became inundated with outsiders and the sense of community dissipated, also taking away the collective drive to actually make content for it. We're a colony of redditors, thirdies with smart phones and state agents now instead of a niche collective of teenaged and 20-something American white kids with a few hundred bucks to spend on a surplus rifle and a case of military ammo from the 70s.

>>63997883
>Tbh I just wanted the see the knife chart again. Fuck those faggots at fandom, it affected other boards like /lit/ too
Get a Larue Tacticool.

>>63997588
no more poorfag infographics

they just buy the cheap shit anyway without any thought

Only focus on the mid tier range

>>64000040
Yes, a new wiki would have a bunch of uses.

>>63997505 (OP)
It probably doesn't exist anymore and the lazy fucking mods under Hiroshimoot will let /pol/posting and foreign bots overrun this board because they're lazy fucking niggers.

>>64000068
People make guides for the generals now. One anon documents body armor better than anywhere else for /gq/, one furry has managed to singlehandedly wrangle /arg/ in a way that isn't a nightmare, etc.

The mistake of thinking community projects are doomed stems a lot from misunderstandings about how many people contribute. The "participation inequality" pyramid is all about the top 10% of users and their response to ideas pushed by the top 1-2%. Everything else falls in line.

The biggest issue today isn't even spam, it's malaise/demoralization and misconceptions about when, how, and why things suck. There is enough latent potential to make the board good at any time. The autism dissipates because threads expire and people forget about them. But this isn't difficult to work around.

>>64001203
This board sucks because there isn't enough quality control on the moderation side to keep out non American trolls who show up just to shit things up. The only way for this board to go back to the 2012 days is to ban non American IPs.

>>64001225
They use a spamming service that provides them with normal IPs from a residential VPN botnet. There are only a couple of spammers doing all of it. Threads actually started getting better and stayed up longer after the porn spam, I think because more people finally realized that it's just one guy and it doesn't matter at all. If you defend your threads from being slid (mostly doesn't even happen because dying threads are held in limbo for a bit), nothing changes about the catalog. The spam is gone within minutes to an hour.

I'm not doing apologetics for the system - it's wildly inept. But there's a zen in accepting the jank shitassery of the site. Refreshing every minute for New Content™ is the core cause of the spam and troll threads having any influence on a person's mood.

>>64000040
do it

>>63997585
>>63997814
>>63997825
It's working for me now. Would be nice if this thread lives a little while longer as a chat on re-wikifying.

>>64000068
We lost a lot of the random autists that made the interesting posts at random and the 3rd world got cellphone internet. We lost the weird boomers that were too much for regular forums and gained trolls and brown people.

Note that most wikidumps, including ours here, are just flat XML files that concatenate all the pages in MediaWiki format. The mediawiki syntax is like markdown but a bit messier (more sophisticated) – the syntax used on wikipedia.

That is, they are (1) small files and (2) easy to work with. So there's no reason not to grab yourself a spare copy.

For anyone considering either setting up the new wiki or helping out:

I can tell you with confidence from experience that the main ease of access considerations for a new wiki are exactly these things:

1. no login requirement and easy accounts
2. drafting in both markdown and wikitext
3. WYSIWYG / easy previewing

Fancy features take a backseat to those things. New wikis succeed when they are only marginally more effort to use than simpler tools like rentry.org and hackmd.io

For actual content suggestions, I could ramble on forever. The gist is this:

1. Start with core themes – /k/lit, media, fun guns, important topics from the generals. These are the main focus of the board and it's very easy to write stuff for them.

2. ONE meta/guide page for everything like: page editing, using the archives, image and webm editing, etc.

3. ONE list-of-lists page as an entrypoint for nearly everything. This page includes things like the names of every general.

4. ONE media host for all images, videos, and documents. This makes it vastly more feasible to perform full HQ backups of the wiki.

5. ONE "big" page for most topics. That is, immediately set up the convention of dedicated portal (hub) pages for autists with personal interests to sprawl as much as they want.

That last point means giving topics like modern conflicts, niche interests, and curation of a whole category of weapon their own main page, to provide focus for the people interested in those things. This is *in contrast to* worrying about Categories.

So instead of setting up a million Categories for SMGs or Revolvers or North Korea >>63997840 on a new wiki that only has 15 pages so far and 5 of them are individual guns, you create an SMG page and a Revolver page and a North Korea page. Let them sprawl, in one place, until they can't anymore.

Do this preemptively for the topics we have single-issue autists for. Stub the page for them by importing highlights of their posts from the archives. Simple as. This method is how you maximize effort from contentposters and minimize grief for them. Premature optimization is the root of all evil. Keep it simple.

>>64004814
>We lost a lot of the random autists that made the interesting posts at random
They still show up, it just takes more diligent reading to notice them now.

>the 3rd world got cellphone internet.
A travesty, but one that isn't being reversed if we just wait it out. People who are still posting here, despite it all are... still posting here. That's the bottom line for any rational plan.

>>64004882
And I can tell you with confidence from experience that the main anti-spam considerations for a new wiki are exactly these things:

1. login requirement and restricted accounts
2. active admins to deal with spam that gets through
3. weirdass wiki software nobody uses (mediawiki gets targeted immediately)

It's a bit of a dilemma.
Things would be so much better if malicious actors like russia and jeets were cut off the internet.

>>64004973
I don't mean to trivialize the spam problem. But spam is an eternal, adaptive problem. In current year, walled gardens die both by pacifism and by decay into obscurity much more easily than unwalled gardens die by frontal assaults.

The biggest thing /k/ has going for it, as a group, is its bellicose reactionary attitude toward streetshitting interlopers. You can still count on /k/ to help fight back against hostile actors. This is pretty unique outside of scenes like hackers -- you can't usually count on the same propensity for defensive violence.

>software stack
Yeah there's some security thru obscurity there. Anything that supports standard wikidumps or even git export/sync is compatible enough to make work.

>>64001203
/gq/ infograph anon here, glad the armor infographics are of use to you. I agree with your overall assessment of the situation. We'd be a force to be reckoned with if we concentrated autism on all fronts.
All /gq/ infographs are also stored in one imgur link for quick access.
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6

bump

>>64001103
>/pol/posting
This fucking board is reddit incarnate complete with glownigs and tranny mods.

>>64007762
>nooooop if you want to talk about something other than da joooooooz for 10 seconds you're r*ddit
Good job proving his point.

>>64005195
Thank you for this, anon.

>>64008313
Happy to help. I'm taking a break from infographing but have some ideas in the pipeline for when I want to get back into it.

>>64004933
Forgive me for being retarded, but where is the actual wiki?

As for anything that would be added single pages for various topics are a good idea especially at first. Please note that i am wikitarded and don't actually know how they work.

>>64004933
/gq/ Infograph anon here again. I'd be happy to single-issue the shit out of armor for this wiki if other autists are down for other subject matters.

What happened to this?

>>64005195
Thanks for these. If the compression bothers you, note that catbox can do albums too.

>>64008777
We could use help with pushing a guide out for /prg/, if you find that interesting. Discussion is near the start of the current thread.

>>64008814
The old one was at Wikia which became fandom. The XML of it is at a catbox link I sent upthread as a desuarchive link, unless I'm retarded. I can re-send it when I'm not on mobile.

old
http://amagicalplace.fandom.com

The new one we're considering doesn't have any hosting yet. Someone mentioned xwiki which can be hosted or self-hosted last I checked.

>>64009157
There are backups. I can link them later.

>>64009349
>/prg/
I was talking with 1-2 guys in /gq/ about something similar, albeit with a moderate focus on piercing armor. Consensus was that M2AP reloaded into a .300wby or similar at 3,500ft/s would pierce the vast majority of Level IV on the market, XSAPIs rev. A-C and Adept Colossus included. Buffman's tests support this. M2AP projos can be readily acquired and aren't "hot" like M993 and up are. You'd have about a 150ft/s "window" before dropping into v50 range. Only exceptions are the Protech 2230, which is rated for M2AP @ 3,500ft/s and allegedly XSAPI REV. D.
I can assist with that angle and also thermals / NV integration into long range setups.

>>63997505 (OP)
Just get a gen 3 g19 and an 11.5 PSA AR everything else is normalfaggot election tourist shit
>t.2015 oldfag

>>64009903
Boring! You'll be underequipped if something EVER HAPPENS
>nothing ever happens...

>>64009903
>old
wuh

>>64009462
>>64009021
>the vast majority of Level IV
I don't post in, or read, /gq/ ever, but I have background in small arms stuff, including pen and discussed/argued with anons about it a few times over the years here, and jesus fuck please can you have a page that explains non-NIJ ratings so that we don't all have to waste our time explaining that level IV is totally meaningless as a cert for discussing anything we already know is more penetrative that M2AP for the 99999999 billionth time.

>>64011560
Will do if/when the wiki gets off the ground. Until then, the "list of body armor performance standards" page on Wikipedia is an excellent summary. I recall /bag/ rewrote it a very long time ago and it holds up great, although it chickens on giving the actual XSAPI revision A-C rating, which is 3x 7.62x51 M993 @ 3,050ft/s +-50 or 3x 5.56x45 M995 @ 3,350ft/s +-50, ICW soft armor. All other ratings are however accurate, SAPI / ISAPI / ESAPI A-F, G-H, J, VPAM / revised GOST 50774-95 included.
It is however missing VTP changes and XSAPI Revision D.

Nonetheless, you would be surprised at how well M2AP holds up if driven significantly faster than 2,910ft/s.

Why are respectable red dots so fucking expensive now? I remember my first Aimpoint (ML2 I believe?) was like $250. Now it seems like every aimpoint is like $800.

>>64012078
Holosun!

bump for the wiki

>>64014154
bump for the murdercube files

>>64014154
Hope this thread makes it to the weekend, I will dig a bit more into xwiki then.

>>64016071
It's only Tuesday so that could be a longshot. We can start using this thread to pre-populate content I suppose.

Here's a fun pastebin for 3dp, for instance.
https://files.catbox.moe/eyde0i.txt

Magnet for the most current version of the Do/k/ument -- very large:
https://files.catbox.moe/k64dnw.txt

Murdercube is on archive.org and, if I remember right, The Eye.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170114070637/https://murdercube.com/files/
---

for the archive's dumbass index
ark ar/k/
dokument do/k/ument
murdercube murderkube murder/k/ube

>>64017728
Very good stuff
>>64011560
gq really needs more high quality posters, the current thread is mostly shit-flinging with only a modicum of autism.

>>63997505 (OP)
The infiltrators hate /k/.

>>64019580
Why the fuck are Euros so terminally assmad with Trump?

>>64019649
People who are getting saved from themselves tend not to like it.

>>64019580
Oh good, here's a way we can keep the thread alive:

go back

>>64019580
And here i thought our -----tards were autistic spazzes.

>>63997505 (OP)

>>64021687
>reeeeee why dont they like my bbc spam reeee

>>64019649
He cut off the free gibs and their economies are collectively on the brink

Let's talk motivations that matter for a /k/ wiki and library.

What are your favorite types of threads?

Do you guys take notes? If so, how? And on what breadth of topics?

Do you use your own posts as notes? Like: do you make threads, or post guides, as a way to document information for yourself?

Why do you *like* documenting things for /k/? Do you prefer to teach your autism? Or do you like learning as you go, with pushback and feedback from others?

What are your LEAST favorite posts of your own? That is, which do you dislike having to make, etc?

How often do you use the archives? What for?

Do you curate media on themes, or archive threads yourself?

>>64021766
>fave threads
This thread asked about interesting threads. In that thread, my main answers are >>63202964 >>63202982. Some replies mentioned my threads but they aren't from me, rest assured.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63202875

>taking notes
I take notes for my work and research. I don't go out of my way to take special notes for /k/ unless the thread itself is a bit of a project. For instance, russian hacks/leaks that require special preparation (sanitization, hosting, translation...) and separation from work.

>posts as notes
Somewhat. I log every thread I make, retaining originals and edits of media plus the OP text. Sometimes I log particularly involved replies to others' threads.

>why do you like posting
Distraction from war work and the ability to boost the signal:noise ratio for things I find easy to post about, mostly.

>least favorite own posts
1) I have grown to dread the large event/show threads. 2) I don't hate threads on new weapons, but I have ended my experiment in making lots of them because this was a counter to spam which no longer exists. The board doesn't need it anymore.

>using board archive
I use the archive every day that I'm posting. Lately I've been lurking desu for the purpose of curating good/interesting/fun/notable threads.

One of the main things I'd like to do first with a new wiki would be mining the good threads for collective knowledge and board lore that people have sorta forgotten about. Many have become doomers about the board having nothing of value, but it's all just sitting there.

>media
I like exploring real-world /k/ media when I have time. Sometimes I post a gallery thread or two, but nowhere in proportion to what I have in my personal archives. I do not currently think much about *commercial* media -- films, animu, anything like that.

>>64021687
Oklen si ti bajo moj

>>64021800

Te boli čuna za to, balija?

>>64021832
Axaxaxaxax jebem te u dupe

>>64021687
The butthurt contained in that image......

Weird thing is this isn't a thread even remotely connected to Russia, if anything a wiki would give them more places to spew their shit over.

>>64021840

>>64021779
From the /gq/ side, turnover is super high so we lose heavy hitters. A wiki can preserve knowledge across classes of anons, especially on technical topics like thermals, armor, terminal ballistics, first aid.
This isn't exclusive to /k/, you go on any forum and you will see the new breed are mostly not of the same caliber as the old guard.

uppo

>>64025644
bump

>>64026034
his smug aura inspires me