Thread 64002775

What’s the best tactic to break free of a chokehold. Assume you’re unarmed and you were caught completely by surprise by the attacker.

put both hands by the hand that is on the arm that keeps your throat locked
use both hands to push it away, thus giving yourself breathing room.

>>64002775 (OP)
granby roll

>>64002775 (OP)
You have 7-10 seconds maximum of real useful action if your blood is being stopped.
You need to already have your hand on a knife or gun or its too late.

>>64003244
This.
Also, chant
>The booty is mine
>It belongs to me
>You cannot take my booty

>>64002775 (OP)
Page 49 of the US army melee fighting manual. It really is this simple.

>>64003481
Very funny. Hilarious, even. You should be a comedian.

0) don't get caught - you dummy

1) headbutt to the nose, repeatedly
2) reach back and poke the eyes with thumb
3) try to grab between his legs and give 'm the ol' dick twist
4) dislocate fingers (pinky is best target) keep pulling
5) momentum and forward roll to try and at least loosen the lock
6) turn toward him to try and relieve pressure on one jugular
7) kick the kneecaps

8) combination of all of the above. YOU WANTED A RODEO? LET'S GO COWBOY, YEEEEEEEHAW

>>64002775 (OP)
stick your arm out then turn around and then you have a clench takedown. your neck is a circle there is nothing stopping you from turning around.

Just be stronger and break the hold.

>>64003481
When the goon sesh slaps

>>64003487
It was fairly funny.

>>64002775 (OP)
Assuming that it's a rear naked or something like picrel? It's the easiest thing in the world. It's such an easy defense that most people will do it instinctively without being taught to do it. Simply grab the choking arm with both of your hands and pull. Unless we're talking about the sort of strength mismatch that you'd see between a professional athlete and a child, you'll reduce the pressure enough to prevent a blood choke. Then you wait. Sometime in the next 20 seconds or so, one of two things will happen depending on who's choking you.
>if the person applying the choke knows what they're doing, they'll realize that they don't have the choke, release it before their arm burns up, and try something else
>if the person doing the choke doesn't know what they'll doing, they'll keep brute forcing it until they burn their arm out, 20-30 seconds, and your fight just got a lot easier

The RNC is a bullshit choke. You only see it in professional MMA because there's a weird psychological thing where fighters don't like to tap to strikes, but most of them have no problem tapping to a choke so it's a convenient and polite way to give a competitor a way out of a fight they no longer want to be in. It doesn't work on a resisting opponent that has even a fraction of the strength that the person applying it. Fighters will never discuss this publicly but all of them know it, and now you do too. Now the next time you see a pro tap to a RNC and you're wondering why they're not hand fighting properly or tucking their chin, you'll understand why.

>um ackshully they got you with a good choke like a cross collar or something, not rnc
You shouldn't have let them get that choke. You've already lost. Hope that they accept taps but be prepared to take a nap in the next couple of seconds.

>>64003244
You can't draw a knife in seven fucking seconds without your hand already on it?

>>64002775 (OP)

What's he about to do to her?

>>64005154
>What's he about to do to her?

Definitely not what I would be doing to her

>>64003948

Are you retarded? Seriously?

Try taking a pencil off a child who doesn't want to give it up... now, think of an adult that has their ARM wrapped around you throat, you idiot.

>slam them backwards into hard and possibly sharp objects
>vases, windows, windowledges, mantle shelves.

In real life, not sport, use the evironment to break free.

>>64005593
Ask me how I know you've never been in a fight as an adult.
>slam them backwards into hard and possibly sharp objects
>vases, windows, windowledges, mantle shelves.
LOL
Actually I'm not sure that you ever got in a fight as a kid either.

>>64005593
>Try taking a pencil off a child who doesn't want to give it up
You grab the back of the hand, wrapping all your fingers around the base of the thumb, and twist outwards. How do you not know the most simple disarming move?

>>64002775 (OP)
Pull the choke arm over pinch it with your shoulder and arm toss

>>64002949
Too advanced for anons

>>64002775 (OP)
In the limited time you could have... Maybe grab one of the assailant's fingers and break it? Alternatively a heel right into the balls or a thumb in the eye.

>>64002775 (OP)

Ask nicely

>>64002775 (OP)
What was her fucking problem

>>64003449

So you slap him to disorient him, then flip him around and pull his arm hard enough to dislocate his shoulder?

>>64002775 (OP)
If it's a two hands around the neck chokehold, you can attempt to control their hands by taking control of their thumbs. A rear naked, I think you're fucked unless you start gouging and stabbing.

>>64002775 (OP)

Let her go!

>>64002775 (OP)

If the attacker is careless enough to have any of his skin within biting distance of your mouth, bite down and hard. The shock and pain of skin being broken skin is enough to allow you to break free.

>>64002775 (OP)

kick 'em in the balls

>>64002775 (OP)
Mulekick to the knee or groin if you know how, then go for a hand to break using qinna.
Full rear-naked choke by someone who practices? Probably the same knee attack followed by some kind of roll.
>>64002949
I always forget how much of a base even a few months of high school wrestling gave me.
The real answer to not getting choked is always to not let someone get into that position.

>>64003948
RNC only works in a rules-based setting because the attacked is entirely vulnerable. If you RNC me on the street, I'm going for your eyes in that 10 seconds, or gutting you.

>>64012609
the attacker is extremely vulnerable.
>still haven't finished my coffee

>>64004954
You're being rear naked choked and my intent is for you to die. You have exactly 8 seconds in this position to figure out how to stop me. I have a grip strength of 164lbs and the more you move the tighter I tighten my arms.

Good fucking luck. You were dead from the start.

>>64014414
Anon it takes like one second to draw a fucking knife.

Threads like this tend to be pretty boring but I get a kick out of seeing internet tough guys fantasize about how the fights they've never been in would play out, so I guess they're all right after all.
>better than another ukraine thread anyway

>>64003487
You're on an image board you fuck

>>64002775 (OP)
You fight the hands and tuck your chin. If it's some dumbass standing rape choke, you just walk away. They aren't actually grabbing you, or snap down their neck and start kneeing their body.

>>64002949
Based and wrestlepilled

>>64002775 (OP)
Activate suicide vest

>>64002775 (OP)
Tuck in chin, and presuming you're not far stronger than the choker, you need to inflict enough pain for them to break the hold. Stomp on foot, dig nails in, bite down hard if able, or grab balls and squeeze/tear as hard as you can.

It's a bitch move in a gentlemanly fight, but if it's life or death there are no bitch moves.

>>64002775 (OP)
grab his dick and balls and squeeze hard.

>>64002775 (OP)

Urinate/vomit all over the attacker

>>64015445
>>64015389

This

>>64002775 (OP)
Look into standing RNC choke defence in BJJ, practice this in open mats.
Basically your two options are:
1. Some variant of breaking the hold, and turning to face them. Followup with a takedown or creating distance.
2. Throwing them over your back.
>What if it's a choke from the front?
If they're "darth vader" choking you, it's pretty easy to break it because you'll practice breaking grips all the time in BJJ. Also look into standing guillotine escapes.
It's interesting you ask this OP because I actually was in this situation 3 months ago.
>At a large whetherspoons (basically where retards go to drink before going to clubs)
>Went downstairs to get another drink, so separated from my friends
>Some randos I barely met 6 months ago from uni want to talk to me
>Someone not from either my friends or these randos comes up to me and grabs my neck from behind
>Shittiest attempt at choke ever, you're supposed to cut off the sides of the neck and push them into the choke. He just had his forerarm around the front of my neck and was pulling me (unsuccessfully)
This is where I fucked up.
>Because this was a shitty choke, I assumed it was just a retard from the BJJ club pranking me, so I don't react other than tucking my chin down as a basic level of defence.
>After about 5-10s he lets go
>I turn around and say "Jiu jitsu?"
>He ignores me and walks off
Still no idea WTF that was about. There was no argument/altercation leading up to this, it was entirely random.
Since then, I have started carrying a cigarette lighter and practiced standing choke defences.
>TL;DR
I had retard-tier situational awareness

>>64003948
>>64005593
>>64006129
All of you niggas have never been in this situation or trained grappling
>>64014723
Correct and it sounds like you actually train. Tucking chin and pulling arms IMO is best followed up with a throw or turning around, bending down, and doing a takedown.

It's very, very hard, and not always possible at all.

Sports fighting, UFC etc has spread the misconception of TKO. It's not real. Doesn't exist. In an actual fight an attacker might simply break your neck even if they didn't intent to. There's no referee telling you when to stop applying a choke.

Tuck your chin and drop your knees in the hope you can stop them applying the choke properly.
Grab their forearm and pull down with your body weight, again this is more to stop them applying the choke, if it's a one arm choke you might be able to break out of it.
Second hand: attempt to break their fingers, just fucking rip them off its not a game. If you get nothing try to gougue their eye with your thumb.

But the big problem here is how you stop them breaking your neck, by punching you in the side of the head, dropping back with their full body weight and driving their knee into the back of your skull, side stepping you and doing the same, or going forewards over your shoulders and putting you in a rear naked choke on the ground.

>inb4 judo shoulder throw
You can lift the person but not break the choke, the result is that when they go down they can snap your neck with the full weight of their body
>backstep
If you can pull their arm down enough you can try to put your right foot behind their left foot, from which position they can hold you but not apply the choke. But the problem is that if your right foot isn't braced they can twist you face first into the ground. They can also just lift their left leg between your legs and drop you both onto your backs.
>just pull down
If they havnt applied the choke and are only using one arm, absolutely, it's pretty much the first thing you should try. But if they've applied the choke with two arms you probably won't get sufficient leverage or grip, you have the weaker angle.

>>64016757
Don't just drop to your knees. That can turn into a seated RNC which is the worst situation to be in. It's also a risk of doing a throw: you can end up in turtle and they're on top of you.
Other than that, I agree that chin tuck + pull is just to buy you time, it's not an escape as-is.
>HOWEVER
The good news is that if this is an unprovoked assault they're probably retarded / don't train. It's always people who don't train or are drunk who try to start shit. You have more advantage than you think.
However if Khabib was the guy who assaulted me I would be dead no questions about it.

And just another thing.
To apply the choke you only need to restrict blood flow to either side of the neck, ideally the right side. But not both.

When people say "pull".... how do I explain this. The choke is applied from their wrist, not their shoulder, not their elbow. Their wrist is the lever. So when you grab their arm work up to their wrist, and force it away from THEIR body.
They can close the choke with a huge amount of force in the direction of wrist to shoulder, but can't use nearly as much force to keep their wrist against their body. If you push the choking wrist out, you can force your chin under. The choke will by just as tight but against your chin that won't achieve anything.
So priority, tuck chin, grab choke arm, just remember to grab the arm high where you have more leverage, grab one of their fingers and snap it. A choke could kill you, nobody dies from a broken finger.

>>64016817
The way I'd explain it is like scissors.
Your bicep and forearm are the blades, cutting off the carotid arteries. Your wrist is like the handles of the scissors. So controlling the wrist is like forcing the scissors to open.
You need to push them INTO the blades, either with your other arm or with your chest.
>The exception
When I was assaulted the nigger had no idea about any of that, there was NO pressure on either side of my neck and there was probably space between my back and his front. So escaping would not involve controlling the wrist.
>So if it was so easy to escape, why didn't you do anything?
Bad situational awareness

>>64016786
I didn't say drop to your knees, I said drop knees. As in, lower your stance. If you're fast enough the combination of chin, dropped stance, and grabbing the arm can stop them applying the choke in the first place. More and more guys are leaning chokes now because of UFC, but thankfully they're taught how not to break people's necks, rather then how to break them.

I learned to break people's necks and kill them, how to stomp someone to death, leg-leg locks for knife fighting so you can only stab each other's legs on the ground, I trained gouges specifically.

>>64016850
That I'm trying to convey is that you can wreck the angle of their choke far more easily than you can loosen the choke.

Try doing a choke on the air yourself, where are your wrists? They're right up against your body. Try applying a choke to the air with your wrists 3 inches from your chest. Your elbow is at the same angle but suddenly you've got no force.

So if someone chokes you, grab their arm, but rather then pulling their elbow down, push their wrists out. That's the angle they are weak from

>>64002775 (OP)
Obviously you just stick your hand down their pants and start ferociously beating them off

>>64016923
A competition for getting first blood. Fund it.

>>64016864
My mistake. But it might be worth rewording it like "bend and lower knees" to make your wording retard-proof.

This also has the benefit of making you less likely to lose balance and fall back. When I was assaulted that was the other thing I did - bend knees, brace so I don't fall.

>>64016864
Okay, and I'm sure you just see red too, gramps. Let's get some ice cream for that Steven Seagal marathon.

>>64014672
I think you severely overestimate what you can do in that situation.

>>64017621
It's drawing a knife edgeanon not filing your fucking taxes. It's one of the most quick and simple movements imaginable.

>>64017685
>>64017621
>>64014672
Pulling a knife and cutting their arm IS effective. If they weren't illegal in Bongland, I would carry. Check your local laws.
>But anon, you can carry a 3 inch retractable knife
A mate of mine was stabbed with one of those and it didn't do shit. He bled from the chest but that was the only injury. It wasn't provoked either, but there was an exchange of "dafuq you gonna do?" before that.
A "real knife" a la crocodile dundee would cut tendons and can paralyse you for life.

>>64017701
This, while a 3" knife is better than nothing you're gonna need to caesar a bitch.

>>64017228
I'm not used to discussing these things, we just do them on the mat

>>64002775 (OP)
>whats the best way to get out of situation?
>no, you can't answer with the actual best way
Don't let somebody catch you completely by surprise and always be armed. The reality is that there is no reliable way out of a proper choke hold.

>>64017709
Even a one in knife is entirely adequate if you play it for what it's worth.
Having any blade means you win a chinche, you win every neutral grappling position, so rather then fighting for position can just sit in a neutral hold and gradually dissect someone.

This is exactly what I was saying about leg-leg locks in knife fighting. It's a neutral grapple which you could try to force a far stronger or better trained opponent into, and then pull a knife and cut their leg off. When your self defence guy says never grapple, never go down in a street fight that's exactly why.

This also means one arm bars, half guard, arm grabs, most greco clinches. One inch of blade means you win neutral grappling positions, and it's very, very hard for your opponent to avoid.

It's entirely legitimate to ice pick grip a blade shorter than two inches, to stay in a boxing stance. Especially if your blade isn't suitable for thrusting, you would still be at a reach disadvantage, you'd worry about high kicks. It also allows you to use the blade a an anchor for your grapples, as you would a karambit. And that's all relevant if you're fighting someone experienced who isn't going to run away if you wave a box cutter at them.

>>64019196
>The reality is that there is no reliable way out of a proper choke hold.
That's what I've been saying, outside of the ring punches to the back of the head, knees while on the ground, compound chokes, breaking someone's neck are all permitted and if you're fighting someone untrained they might just snap your neck instinctively or because they fell over.

To kill someone without a weapon your options are limited and out on the street people don't even know how to do it, they'll beat an unconscious person to a pulp and a month later that guys walking around with a .38.
Breaking someone's neck actually kills them, I've personally braced up and triaged four people until hospital CT cleared them for spinal injuries. A choke hold is something you take way more seriously out in the street, in the ring people think of that as a technical knock out, unconsciousness without hurting someone. Fuck that.
You can beat the shit out of someone and pose little to no risk of killing them with punches and kicks, but you try to choke someone out to avoid that and you can kill them, leave them in a wheelchair, DVD from their end they might just have twisted their own head off trying to get out of the choke.

>>64002775 (OP)
HEEL to de balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mosX7L25HV8

>>64002949

this

>>64016602
bizzare
captcha: gymyx

>>64002775 (OP)
Align your chin with their elbow and pull their arm over your head.

>>64002775 (OP)

Piss and shit yourself

>pull out your fixed blade or spring assisted knife.
>reverse grip
>stabby stabby any target that presents itself.

>>64020813
Sewing attack is inferior, the stab and tend is the correct choice when it's an option

>>64020813

My dad is a cop who had to deal with that once. He put a suspect in a chokehold and the guy whipped out a knife and started thrusting wildly

>>64002949

base

>>64022904

-d

speaking from limited personal experience and some sparring, a properly applied rear choke is damn near impossible to escape
that being said, tuck chin, twist, grab a finger, a ballsack or an eye and work from there
neither proper chokes nor proper choke defense are taught anywhere outside of military/glowoid contexts and there only as an afterthought
a dying art

>>64005154

Cuddle her until she goes to sleep

>>64002775 (OP)
Yo not get into it
Assuming RNC, 2 on 1 the choking hand, straighten it out and move you're head to the backside elbow (you can even sometimes tap retards here, using your head as a fulcrum on the elbow for a shitty armbar) get at least one hook off, usually same side as their choking arm, you can then pass that arm over, use your opposite side arm to reach around, and roll. Sometimes hitting a darce choke.

>>64002775 (OP)
/thread

>>64003487
Welcome to 4chan

>>64002775 (OP)
Go to sleep.
They'll let you go, you get to have a nice nap

>>64002775 (OP)
Shrimp to safety

Grab the back of their neck with one hand, their arm with the other, and flip them over yourself with a hip throw.

>>64007271

She's a literal in-universe gypsy whose parents violently abused her as a toddler, illiterate farm girl living in an economically depressed shithole more dreary than the damned Falkland Islands whose neighbors all think she's cursed. Of course she's got trust issues and volatile temper.

>>64007271

She's a literal in-universe gypsy whose parents violently abused her as a toddler, illiterate farm girl living in an economically depressed shithole more dreary than the damned Falkland Islands whose neighbors all think she's cursed. Of course she's got trust issues and a volatile temper.

step 1: neutralize the arm that is choking you with both hands at first, take note of which arm they are using to choke you, you'll know by whatever hand is nearest to your head.

Step 2: whichever arm they are using to choke you, use your respective arm to continue to protect your airway while stepping your opposite leg behind them, lower your base and put your knee behind their ass, and use your free hand to grab around their hips, gaining control of their center of gravity.

Step 3: maintaining your grip to protect your airway, now that you have control of their hips and thus center of gravity, pick them up and dump them the fuck on the ground. if you are small like me, use your legs and knees like a fulcrum and dump them over you, and if they are a big motherfucker just step the foot that is most behind them behind their farthest ankle and fall backwards, using your foot to trip them.

step 4 securing the kill: now just because you got them on the ground does not mean that they let go of their choke. rest assure, simply step over their hips and using your arms, brace the blade of your forearm on their neck. use your arms and legs to force their head away from your head, and once their grip fails due to weakness or pain from the neck pressure, simply grab the nearest arm and go straight to a free arm bar.

Conclusion: if someone takes your neck by surprise, surprise them by breaking their arm.

>>64020787

this

>>64022904
GET TO YOUR BASE
GET TO YOUR BASE

>>64003449
Why does he hold his hand?

>>64002775 (OP)
If they're behind you
>Heel of Boot, meet Attackers Balls.
>Attackers Balls, this is Heel of Boot.
>You two have fun.
Or, if they're attacking from the front
>Hey Attackers Balls, have you met Heel of Boot's brother?
>He's called Toe Cap.

>>64028817
they are good friends

>>64026732

This

>>64002775 (OP)

Kick and thrash wildly

>>64002775 (OP)

rape

>>64019423

How often do bouncers actually get into fights anyway? I've been to a lot of bars and have never actually seen a fight. Closest I got was one guy being shouted at to leave and throwing some glasses onto the floor on his way out in a fit.

>>64033515
I was a doorman for about seven years. First off, bouncers don't fight- you deescalate, escort and maybe restrain someone until cops arrive. How often did I have to break up a brawl or fight? Maybe once every three months in the shittiest bar I worked at. Most of the fights in bars are guys trying to protect their ego.

Over seven years I only ever threw a punch four times. Once when some parolee tried to stab an off duty chief of police. Again when a guy got jumped in the parking lot by a dozen guys and we got jumped trying to help him. Then again when the bartenders ex got thrown out and said he was going to his truck to get his gun and coming back. Finally when a drunk girl jumped on my back and almost clawed my eye out. I threw her over my shoulder and punted her in the ribs.

The pay is decent but it's glorified customer service except the customers can throw hands and the hours are dogshit.

>>64033565
>I was a doorman for about seven years.

My condolences

>>64005569
>Baaaaa?

>>64033515
Idk where you live anon but I'm in bongland where drunk retards/crackheads are common. The only "bar fight" I saw/was in:
>crackhead walks in like a silent hill monster
>instantly starts being cunty to staff, gets told to leave
>starts getting physical with the barmaid
>me and 3 other staff basically follow him out
>he tries to force re-entry
>I restrain him, pick him up by the neck (not a bouncer so idk the rules)
>manager tells me to put him down
>I put him down
>we get back inside and jam the front door shut
>he starts throwing chairs from outside at the window
>random guy off the street punches him and he hits his head on the floor
>gets arrested and probably has a tbi at this point
other than that I saw a bouncer physically pick up a guy from behind and then drag him out, idfk what he must have done to trigger that

>>64002775 (OP)

Piss and shit yourself while trying to get your clothes off and sing a weird al parody song in falsetto

>>64027669
I thought she was a lizard.

>>64039092
>I thought she was a lizard.

What do you think dragons are nigga? Flying lizards that shoot fire.

>>64002949

this

>>64002775 (OP)

Piss and shit everywhere

>>64002775 (OP)
>What’s the best tactic to break free of a chokehold.
Bomb vest

>>64002949

this

>>64045692

t.

>>64002775 (OP)
Poke'em in da Eye. You could also try biting the arm around your neck but you probably won't have that kind of flexibility.

>>64002775 (OP)

Cum all over their feet, they won’t like that (unless they’re footfags)

>>64032476

this

>>64039092

She's a wizard, not a lizard :(

>>64008548

yes

>>64002775 (OP)

Stomp on their foot

>>64002775 (OP)

Go full limp, the sudden weight might surprise them and make them lose their grip. If it fails just gouge out their eyes, they'll have to let go of you to protect themselves.

>>64045692

But I thought you wanted the target closer for that?

>>64002775 (OP)

Ask him to stop

>>64002775 (OP)
claw both hands on arm and dig in with nails while pushing it off, tuck and bite said arm as hard as possible like its a cheap steak

>>64033515
you kick people that look like a problem out before it starts

>>64033565
>it's glorified customer service
but you can drink on the job

>>64002775 (OP)
See
>>64002949

Lean how to wrestle.

>>64002775 (OP)
Crotch grab

>>64017701
if you have a short blade you aim for fast full depth slashes
in 8 seconds you should be able to do atleast 16
only an actual top class spook can keep choking you out with 16 cuts 2 inches deep into their forearms

>thread is 12+ days old
>last dozen or so posts made over the last five days days
Why

>>64033515

My dad worked as a bouncer for over ten years and according to him, most drunks are total cowards and will back down when facing someone who is stronger and more sober than them

>>64002775 (OP)
go for your pocket knife and start stabbing them anywhere you can.

>>64060301
Bars that let the staff drink during their shift don't stay open long. Some places give you a comp drink after your shift but that's it.

>>64060443
bot thread

>>64061436

t. Jeet LARPing as AI

>>64002775 (OP)

Jerk your head up into his chin

>>64002775 (OP)
You can use their bodyweight against your pelvis to create a fulcrum and throw them on their ass over your shoulder. It takes practice and technique but if you can pull it off it will work on opponents of almost any size. I forget what it's called but it's a fairly basic karate move.

>>64061207
Your dad sounds like a little bitch.

>>64033515

>be me
>6'5", 300 pounds
>worked 3 bars and 2 strip clubs as a bouncer
>never once been struck
>been called everything but white, but never attacked personally
>never had to hit anyone either
>restrained several people (Handle With Care restraint techniques, learned from working in a juvie)
>they hurt a little, but the size differential means they're just as effective on drunk men and allows me to talk them down again
>only ever actually thrown one pappy little spitfuck of a manlet and felt bad because he was probably retarded when he walked in and definitely retarded after he hit the gravel outside but he sucker punched a nice old lady (a regular) because she wouldn't give him a cigarette.

>>64033565
This anon is legit. Being a good bouncer means nobody gets hurt. 99.9% of the time, you're the dude in the corner remining folks that their insurance isn't good enough to be a douche. The .01% you need to do something, your goal is to get them out quickly and quietly. Egos run high in bars, so giving the unruly customer an 'out' is preferential. Be kind, be polite, be generous. Hopefully they see reason and even if they call you a bitch, as long as they leave, you've done your job.

>I dont miss the hours.
>Don't miss the drama.
>there 100% WILL be drama.
>don't miss watching everyone else have a beer but didn't wanna risk anything by having one myself until last call.
>do miss the regulars who were chill.


Eventually I got my CDL because being the big guy only gets you so far in life before you get old and your size doesn't mean anything when you get old.

How I would've handled a choke from behind? Drop my chin, hold their arm, and bend over- shrimp i guess- then jump back, hopefully dropping my full weight onto their ribs when they hit the foor from 3 feet up. May have worked, may have not, but I reckon it would take their wind out so we both are running on fumes.

>>64065861
>basic karate move
So useless in a real fight, got it.

>>64065959
>>Don't miss the drama.
>>there 100% WILL be drama.

>the owner is drunk/high and being an asshole to the staff
>the bartenders are being catty bitches
>everyone is cheating on each other
>half the other bouncers are snorting piles of pills in the bathroom
>must be a tuesday

if you are grabbed you can go for foot or groin but as anon said you should prioritize your air passage.

>break hold
>hip toss him onto his own head while retaining hold of his arm
>break his arm and/or shoulder and/or collarbone
>rape him

>>64065907

He’s 6’1, if anything I’m the little guy (5’10)

>>64068369

this

>>64027669
>in-universe gypsy

huh?

who the fuck keeps bumping this thread?

>>64074473
More than likely a script bot at this point, there's been a number of threads lately that get necrobumped as soon as they hit p10. As to why this is being done, iunno...

Why isn't this thread kill?

>>64074473

I like to keep non-Ukraine/Israel/SIG threads alive just for the sake of there being some actual fucking diversity in the catalog

>>64011186

That will probably just make them grip harder though

>>64074745
>the same gay, inactive thread in the catalog for weeks
>variety
post a gun you own you desperate faggot.

Just rip their arms up lmao

>>64077579

What the fuck is wrong with his knuckle

>>64077579
shit i missed a chapter

>>64002775 (OP)
left hand inside the arm choking you in a hive hand pushing upwards from underneath, Slide it over until its in the oppoents hand grip his palm and rotate it outwards right hard grasps the opponents elbow and force it towards your sternum . That being said the last time someone tried choking me I slammed my head backwards and fucked his face up

>>64033565
I;ve worked the door and never laid a finger on anyone for legal and insurance reaosn, if youo get that far you've already failed, you are supposed to eyeball trouble by having it pass a few of you in stages and stop it getting in swiftly and get it away form the door and if shit starts get inside the doors and lock them. Either your place was amateur hour or you are making shit up. Inside the club we wouold steer trouble towards areas with five of us and suround them close so they could not make any bit arm movements and walk them out. I've never had anyone even try to take a swing at me and I woudl NEVER use striking force on a custommer as I'd get sued or could wind up spending years waiting for court on an assault charge. One of my favorite tricks was to offer trouble a free beer and walk them to the door and hand it to them in a plastic cup and tell them they've been lucky and not to come back. Its a shitty job because drunks are shit and loud music is shit and late nights are shit and anti stab vests are hot and its pay is generally not great, the legal risks are massive as far as club and bar owners go you are expenible and if you manhandle someone or arm lock them or strike them, you will get that prick who's brother is an attourney for sure. 99% of being on the door is stopping the bad ones even getting in by getting them to walk past a few of you

>>64074745
Based.
>>64076223
>t. tourist fag.

>>64074745
>I like to keep non-Ukraine
kys

>>64078757
Cannot believe I am agreeing with an ESL, but they are objectively correct and you are a faggot bitch piece of shit that will never belong here.

>>64078714
All my stories come from the same tiki god awful tiki bar. It was wildly overcrowded and you had three guys watching anywhere from six-100+ customers that had four entrances assuming they didn't jump the railing.

Everywhere else I worked was a lot more controlled, especially the casinos. The outdoor bars are always a fucking problem.

>>64002949
If that choke is locked in you have to fight the hands, granby will save you before a person gets hooks in if you are on the ground or before they lock in the coke while bent over or standing. Best defense is to attack the hands though

>>64005569

I don't remember this from the movie

>>64077579

kek

Fake pass out quickly and hope they release you thinking you're out.

>>64076164
Depends entirely on how much they want to kill you
If it's just a no-stakes spat. No one is going to risk getting a chunk of their arm bit off

>>64002775 (OP)
There are a couple solid methods but I'm not telling this board because you banned me for saying a common racial slur, go fuck yourselfs. You're not learning anything useful here anymore. In fact I will disguise myself and give bad advice.

weapons?

>>64060443
There's probably some shitcord group of losers having a contest to see who can have the oldest thread up, we've had about a half dozen of these lame threads that are necrod for weeks lately. One of them even deleted their bumps like it still wouldn't be obvious.

>>64078609
He just socked a guy in the face who had metal teeth.

>>64002775 (OP)
Leaving the movie theater and telling your son that the movie he made sucks.

>>64082677

kek

>>64081072

Your fists are the ultimate weapon

>>64085833
>>64088522
Is this your only hobby? Sad.

>>64002775 (OP)
Shoot them with your gen 3 g19

>>64081079
nah this thread has bot spam written all over it, and so do the others. whole board is cooked atm.

>>64065837

Smoking does have its perks.

Mods please kill this thread.
Fuck knows why it's still up

>>64003449
I suppose this is useful if you have the ability to freeze time or the thing choking you is a wrestling dummy.

>>64002775 (OP)
?

>>64061207
>most drunks are total cowards and will back down when facing someone who is stronger and more sober than them

This much is true

t. drunk

>>64002775 (OP)
Gouge eyes, body slam into environment, stomp feet/shins. Run up the wall like Jackie Chan and break your own neck. You still lose points for dying, but they don't get credit for the kill, helping to preserve your K/D in the aftertaste match report.

>>64092403
bizarre bot post.

>>64092403

Hard to gouge out eyes if the guy's behind you

>>64002949
>if he grabs me, i'm going to flail my ass in the air until i rotate in the perfect position to execute my mad combos
kek bjj

>>64003289
>in the name of JESUS i rebuke this booty thief!
amen

>>64093245
You can't reach behind your own head? The fuck is wrong with you?

>>64094570

Yeah but how accurate is your aim realistically going to be if he's behind you, you can't see him, and he presumably will anticipate your attempting to do that?

>>64095940
Do it by feel. That's what we learned in judo. The real-world (that is, not in a controlled environment) way to get out of a rear choke is to reach up and back with both hands, grab the sides of the head, and press thumbs/fingers into eyes. It's not hard at all. Your enemy's face will be close to you while performing the choke, and unless he's willing to sacrifice his eyes to choke you out, it will make enough space that the choke is ineffective and allow ypu an opportunity to get out. Try it. Have someone set up a rear choke, then gently reach up and back. You have plenty of reach to get to their face, grab their head, and start shiving thumbs into their eyes. Thumbnails will naturally align with either side of their nose, it's just a matter of applying pressure in the inner corners of the eyes. You aren't poking eyes three stooges style, you are grabbing their head and driving your thumbs into the inner corners of their eye sockets. It is more of a press than a poke, though the actual gouge should be done as forcefully and quickly as possible once the thumbs are at the eyes.

>>64095940
You don't really gouge out eyes with a strike, you so it while grappling so you can feel your way to them. Putting out an eye with a strike is usually a poor decision, do it hard enough to work and you're liable to break a finger when you fail because of how small a target it is, do it weaker and you're more likely to aggravated them than really accomplish anything. Technique can help with that but really it's a case of trying to take a shit idea and make it less shit, amount of time to get anywhere is better spent doing other stuff

>>64096160
Problem is while you're blindly fishing for your opponent's eyes, he's likely switching which side he buries his head into you're own. Or just burying his head into his own arms. All the while with your arms reaching back only exposes your neck even more.

>>64096186
Ok buddy. You're right. It's impossible.

>>64025145

Wait, what the fuck did I just watch?

The fact that the worthless nigger mods have left this filler thread up for almost a month shows that this site is dead. I hope hiroshimoot gets AIDS.

>>64016757
>If you get nothing try to gougue their eye with your thumb.
This is my instinct but I think if someone's motivated and they close their eyes all you can do is not enough blunt force to make them break the hold.

>>64065837
If the lighter is one of those that produce an entire fucking jet stream - its gonna hurt so much that it would be an entire fucking dream for the grappler to let his victim go off the choke hold so that the pain would recede.

Shit is retardedly painful, its like you're the pig thats getting roasted alive.

N

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>>64003487
faggot

>>64098381

G

>>64017577
NTA but "seeing red" is a real phenomenon. It happens when your blood pressure spikes so hard that the pressure in your eyes causes vision impairment. Your vision begins to tunnel and what you can still see gets colorshifted red and black briefly (you either come back down or you pass the fuck out, or maybe have an aneurism even.)
It's one of those sayings like "seeing stars" where it's based on a real thing but few people experience it so for most it's just the metaphor. I've experienced both, 0/10 would not recommend either.

>>64101538

fuck

hide thread

>>64102911

no

>>64065837
>he can't even take a simple lighter burn

lol pussy

>>64097643
>go on Weapons board
>thread about not having a weapon
>192 replies
>mfw

>>64002775 (OP)

Fart, really loudly

Weeks old thread that hasnt died and not one person posted the
>drop your pants and start jacking off
Defense.

>>64111372
me? three size D batteries up my ass.

>>64101486

E

>>64002775 (OP)
I'm gonna be honest, I've had success with lifting both of my feet up and slamming them into one of their knees to break their stance, as well as a well timed strike to their face (though, that one is riskier.) Otherwise, as Anon said >>64002948 put all your strength into pushing, prying the arm away.
>>64003244
He said unarmed, but the lifehack definitely is to just always be armed.

>>64003489
This Anon gets it. Would survive.

Unrelated, but I will also mention if you're in a situation where you're being grappled by someone larger/stronger than you lifting both feet up very quickly and launching yourself off of their soalr plexis like they're a diving board always works. No one has the ability to overpower both of your legs, especially unexpectedly and when basically kicking a delicate area like that/concentrating so much force center mass.

>>64002775 (OP)
in 90% of cases. if youre untrained or up against someone at your skill level with the same weight, youre screwed. taking the back is the largest standup positional advantage you can have.

learn wrestling.
Immediately handfight and lean forward to avoid being taken down or supplexed. if they dont control your waist and just the neck you will have decent options for arm throws. If you can pry the fingers enough to create space immediately turn around and wrestle.

if you have to go to the ground stay in turtle. do not get into back control where youre laying on your back and he takes your back. NEVER flatten yourself into belly down backmount. In turtle, hips go high and the point is to handfight and turn around

Im not a big fan of granbys. If you fuck up, especially in a no mats high pressure scenario, now youre in bottom position getting mounted or side controlled. worse than being in turtle. turtle is the "best" bottom position imo since it offers the best standing back up and wrestle up options.

Granbys feels more like a sacrifice bail out move when the handfighting turned to shit

>>64114788
>the lifehack definitely is to just always be armed.

This, carry your gun in the shower.

>>64114802
He doesn't get it. I'll explain why you're wrong for thinking this.

>0) don't get caught - you dummy
Too bad, you did.

>1) headbutt to the nose, repeatedly
Your head is being pushed forward with the guy's other arm.

>2) reach back and poke the eyes with thumb
*Turns head away from thumb*

>3) try to grab between his legs and give 'm the ol' dick twist
The attacker has got his cock to your ass and his legs are locking you in. Good luck.

>4) dislocate fingers (pinky is best target) keep pulling
You don't target any particular finger. You want to interlock fingers with the hand behind your head so that you can try to pull it off and regain some room to move.

>5) momentum and forward roll to try and at least loosen the lock
Easy way to break your neck if they tighten up and roll with you.

>6) turn toward him to try and relieve pressure on one jugular
Chokes don't even target the jugular. Anon absolutely confirmed for not "getting it" at this point.

>7) kick the kneecaps
You're leg locked. Good luck.

>8) combination of all of the above. YOU WANTED A RODEO? LET'S GO COWBOY, YEEEEEEEHAW
Anon would be unconscious in 10 seconds. His neck will then be snapped. He wouldn't survive.

>>64002775 (OP)
My instinct is to forcefully drop my chin the microsecond I sense anything going for my neck or throat area. This renders a chokehold not only useless, it makes the person attempting to use it extremely vulnerable once they lost their intended advantage. It takes a bit of time to get an arm in place to successfully use a chokehold, plenty of time for you to get your chin over your throat to neutralize the benefits. Now they're down an arm, you're not. A chin blocked chokehold doesn't prevent you from turning. You can without turning strike them hard in the groin. Elbow hard to their torso. Simply duck to throw them. If you are already bent over, strike their groin then simply reach up and grab their face under their nose and flip them with force going up into their nose. Chokehold mean they don't know how to fight or utterly disrespect you as a fighter. Either way, nobody who knows violence ever thinks a chokehold is smart in a one on one. Or even if they have a numerical advantage. It's too easy to turn on the person trying to chokehold you. It automatically renders one arm out of the fight.

>>64116425
Chin tucking? As if that will save you. You think you won't have your jaw broken?

>>64016602
>I have started carrying a cigarette lighter
Got a loicense for it?

>>64003449
Someone photoshop a boner on the guy please

>>64019290
It's called vivisection, a least until you get the job done. If you then continue further, it becomes dissection. No need to thank me.

>>64002775 (OP)
Rear naked?
Dive head first towards the ground.

>>64118442

this

>>64118442
Doesn't work.

>>64119617

Ladies calm down.

You'll get an opportunity to experience the BWC.

>>64119617
Im not sure what I just watched but it has nothing to do with what you responded to.

>>64002775 (OP)
Just stand up

>>64121580
>Bro just headbutt the ground!
>That will get rid of someone on your back!
Dude just kys now if you don't get why your primary school logic doesn't work irl.

>>64122760
Lol. What the fuck kind of retard suplex attempt was that? Both those dudes were noodly little faggots, too. I'm surprised he got the other one off the ground.

>>64122888
Lightweight fights are always the most fun to watch, since skill matters more than power. Zoomers are scrappy fighters, besides that.

>>64122926
Dude was too busy fighting his faggot ass pants to actually fight the guy wailing on him lmao

>>64123035
I feel like the make or break moment was when white shirt went for a takedown, but had zero idea how takedowns work. He just got pummeled while trying to lift that leg. Here's how you do it right.

>>64003489
holy shit the dick twist sent me. literally never thought of this. 10/10 you get it.

>>64116508
May you continue to enjoy your violence free life.

>>64121586

Don't you already need to be standing to be in a chokehold though?

>>64122760
You clearly never wrestled.

>>64123584
Please tell me what you know of wrestling.

>>64123612
ah, the fine art of male on male rape

>>64123612
Thats a belly to back, but you unknowingly just proved my point despite yourself. Very often a belly to back results in a knockout or neck injury. Sometimes paralysis. Fedor who was world class in sambo/military sambo being dropped on his head and still winning isn't anything new.
Because in a belly to back the throwers head is lower he is safe on the bridge landing. But the thrown is not.
Because in a rear naked the chokers head is higher a step back pull dive, a dead weight dive or even a modified hip throw dive all head first results in the choker hitting hos head on pavement first. Often just going over the hips and seeing ground is enough for them to let go.
The point isn't they get knocked out. Or even that they let go. The point is the action creates space. Especially when they hit. And that alone allows for one to turn the chin, grip the arm, roll out or any number of things.
But you go on being a fool and not listening to people who have been there done that because you cant find it on youtube.

>>64125439
Sorry, but you're wrong. If you flip someone who's on your back and they are experienced, they'll just hang on, take you with them, and you'll and up in a sitting choke. With a very stretched neck, to boot.

*hits stroopwaffel* You just shift your centre of gravity and leg sweep them.

>>64126718
>>if you flip
>>end up in sitting choke
God you are a fucking moron.
You "dive" the fuck forward you absolute fucking retard. Its a modification of the hip escape for the rear naked standing.
And worst case you end up face down, but the opponent does not have the legs locked in, and the fall is an opening for space in the choke. Where falling backwards allows for a locked in rear naked and the impact sinks the choke.
Are you a fat basement dweller?

>>64126718
If you need to see an example of where diving forward would have changed to outcome of the fight see Hughs vs Trigg. Hughes had a leg locked in so the dive would have been less violent, but as trigg already had shaken the choke loose once by bending forward a simple drop to the knees head down would have shaken it loose again.

>>64126718
Of course Hughs prioritized getting leg hooks in first, but the chances you are getting choked from behind by a Hughes level wrestler is slim to none.
Dive, head first. Now fuck off poser.

>>64002775 (OP)
Shit your pants

>>64126878
you're literally risking your neck with that one, sunshine
but you do you I guess

>>64126988

This, always this.

>>64061207
And if they do get into a fight they tend towards dogshit balance and can take a hilariously long time to get off the ground.

>>64127714
Its actually taking the pressure of the choke off and risking the person who is choking your necks neck dipshit.

>>64128879
>they roll with you
>You're flipped on to your back/butt with your choker behind you
>game over
That's assuming the roll doesn't sprain your neck to an incapacitating degree.

>>64128929
You see little girl when you grapple there are a lot of possibilities. You learn defenses, counters and reversals and practice them. The fact you are now vomiting out possible (and frankly impossible) outcomes as a reason to not use a viable escape to a choke exposes you as having no experience or actual knowledge on the subject.
What's your mom's number? I bet she is the town bicycle.

>>64016602
What is the lighter for

>>64037467
At that point you just have to sing hardware store.

>>64005154

Nothing good

>>64027669
>half-lizard

>>64123612
>wrestling isn't ga-

>>64123612

Why the blonde wig?

Step 1 : Flail about and try to grab your chokers arms
Step 2 : Slowly loose consciousness
Step 3: Fall unconscious and have a vivid hallucination about your past life as a medieval knight and see your medieval family being chopped down in front of you
Step 4: Poo yourself
Step 5: ?????
Step 6: Victory

>>64137879

this

>>64002775 (OP)

do a barrel roll

>>64005569

Stupid sheep

>>64002775 (OP)
shoot them

>>64143213

this

>>64002775 (OP)

Cover yourself in lubricant and slip free

>>64137879

based

>>64002775 (OP)
Take your pocket knife and stab the arm but if you can go for the neck of stoomack

>>64119617

why are women like this

>>64012592
a real answer

you should either kick the groin or the knees if able, close second is getting a hand on the opponents genitals and trying to rip them through the fabric of their pants. My preferred technique is a palm strike to the top of the genitals, slap the hand closed so you are getting clap back on the rear of the opponents genitals, than grab like youre trying to get wet sand to run through all of your fingers, then rip the hand away still with the same grip force as youre grabbing so it forces the genitals to slip through your fingers and the fabric with much force and speed

your welcome guys I dropped the forbidden dick jitsu, do what you will with this knowledge

How do you stop a woman from strangling you?lets see. Do the same thing to get her off you then wait for her to call the authorities and lie and play victim to cover their own ass how ironic opps did I expose the truth NOW DISMISS IT! Im so sick and tired of you tactical trained abuser to men! Let the truth be known in the name of JESUS CHRIST! 8th amendment for all with this charge.

>>64003523
Do a little spin and give your attacker a quick peck on the cheek. Throws em off guard every time.

>>64110188
The worst part, it's still up. Fuck this gay earth

>>64002775 (OP)
The best defense to a headlock is not getting in a headlock. If they lock you in, then its damage control - elbow to the solar-plexis, reverse headbutt (will hurt you more than them), wrist control etc.

But yeah, dont get in headlocks.

>>64002775 (OP)
Draw my J-frame, shove it behind me into their liver and send them to meet God. Otherwise, I’m 6 foot 4 and strong. If you can get an arm around my neck somehow, I can and have either simply bent over and squatted (which throws people way off) or just hook my leg around theirs and fall backwards. Wound up dislocating a chug’s hip like that once when he tried to get a chokehold on me.

>>64121504
>Slavs
>Aussies
>Italitrash
>White
Lmao no

>>64002949

2pbp

>>64122926
>have belt for his pants
>dont use it, have it just flop around instead
>get knocked out
Is this zoomer fashion? baggy pants with belt but dont tighten the belt? How did that even become a thing?

Has this zoomer never done a light jog and noticed:
>oh gee, the moment I start moving faster then walking my pants start slippin, maybe I should always tighten my belt.

>>64156590

What porn movie is this from?

>>64123057
This was a text book takedown chefs kiss

>>64003449

nice

Tactical advantage?

N

>>64002775 (OP)
I whip out my big iron and before the attacker can react I aim it right at my skull and pull the trigger. Due to quantum immortality I’m left mildly unharmed while the attacker had an aneurysm. It’s that easy

>>64002775 (OP)
Grab a finger and peel them backwards until it breaks.
Maneuver for hip toss or step around to take their side once grip loosens, push them off balance, and do sit down takedown. Then proceed to break arm at soldier and hammerfist their fsce with both hands until their face is hamburger.

>>64163773

I

>>64019423

Bas actually demonstrates a useful version where he picks the guy up to relieve weight on the choke in the full vid

https://youtu.be/bxTLE7O_Ac8?si=o24yaWQ8o0p1C7_U&t=1646

>>64146090

this

>>64156590

lmao