What’s the best tactic to break free of a chokehold. Assume you’re unarmed and you were caught completely by surprise by the attacker.

put both hands by the hand that is on the arm that keeps your throat locked
use both hands to push it away, thus giving yourself breathing room.

>>64002775 (OP)
granby roll

>>64002775 (OP)
You have 7-10 seconds maximum of real useful action if your blood is being stopped.
You need to already have your hand on a knife or gun or its too late.

>>64003244
This.
Also, chant
>The booty is mine
>It belongs to me
>You cannot take my booty

>>64002775 (OP)
Page 49 of the US army melee fighting manual. It really is this simple.

>>64003449

>>64003481
Very funny. Hilarious, even. You should be a comedian.

0) don't get caught - you dummy

1) headbutt to the nose, repeatedly
2) reach back and poke the eyes with thumb
3) try to grab between his legs and give 'm the ol' dick twist
4) dislocate fingers (pinky is best target) keep pulling
5) momentum and forward roll to try and at least loosen the lock
6) turn toward him to try and relieve pressure on one jugular
7) kick the kneecaps

8) combination of all of the above. YOU WANTED A RODEO? LET'S GO COWBOY, YEEEEEEEHAW

>>64002775 (OP)
stick your arm out then turn around and then you have a clench takedown. your neck is a circle there is nothing stopping you from turning around.

Just be stronger and break the hold.

>>64003481
When the goon sesh slaps

>>64003487
It was fairly funny.

>>64003289

>>64002775 (OP)
Assuming that it's a rear naked or something like picrel? It's the easiest thing in the world. It's such an easy defense that most people will do it instinctively without being taught to do it. Simply grab the choking arm with both of your hands and pull. Unless we're talking about the sort of strength mismatch that you'd see between a professional athlete and a child, you'll reduce the pressure enough to prevent a blood choke. Then you wait. Sometime in the next 20 seconds or so, one of two things will happen depending on who's choking you.
>if the person applying the choke knows what they're doing, they'll realize that they don't have the choke, release it before their arm burns up, and try something else
>if the person doing the choke doesn't know what they'll doing, they'll keep brute forcing it until they burn their arm out, 20-30 seconds, and your fight just got a lot easier

The RNC is a bullshit choke. You only see it in professional MMA because there's a weird psychological thing where fighters don't like to tap to strikes, but most of them have no problem tapping to a choke so it's a convenient and polite way to give a competitor a way out of a fight they no longer want to be in. It doesn't work on a resisting opponent that has even a fraction of the strength that the person applying it. Fighters will never discuss this publicly but all of them know it, and now you do too. Now the next time you see a pro tap to a RNC and you're wondering why they're not hand fighting properly or tucking their chin, you'll understand why.

>um ackshully they got you with a good choke like a cross collar or something, not rnc
You shouldn't have let them get that choke. You've already lost. Hope that they accept taps but be prepared to take a nap in the next couple of seconds.

>>64003244
You can't draw a knife in seven fucking seconds without your hand already on it?

>>64002775 (OP)

What's he about to do to her?

>>64005154
>What's he about to do to her?

Definitely not what I would be doing to her

>>64003948

Are you retarded? Seriously?

Try taking a pencil off a child who doesn't want to give it up... now, think of an adult that has their ARM wrapped around you throat, you idiot.

>slam them backwards into hard and possibly sharp objects
>vases, windows, windowledges, mantle shelves.

In real life, not sport, use the evironment to break free.

>>64005593
Ask me how I know you've never been in a fight as an adult.
>slam them backwards into hard and possibly sharp objects
>vases, windows, windowledges, mantle shelves.
LOL
Actually I'm not sure that you ever got in a fight as a kid either.

>>64005593
>Try taking a pencil off a child who doesn't want to give it up
You grab the back of the hand, wrapping all your fingers around the base of the thumb, and twist outwards. How do you not know the most simple disarming move?

>>64002775 (OP)
Pull the choke arm over pinch it with your shoulder and arm toss

>>64002949
Too advanced for anons

>>64002775 (OP)
In the limited time you could have... Maybe grab one of the assailant's fingers and break it? Alternatively a heel right into the balls or a thumb in the eye.

>>64002775 (OP)

Ask nicely

>>64002775 (OP)
What was her fucking problem

>>64003449

So you slap him to disorient him, then flip him around and pull his arm hard enough to dislocate his shoulder?

>>64002775 (OP)
If it's a two hands around the neck chokehold, you can attempt to control their hands by taking control of their thumbs. A rear naked, I think you're fucked unless you start gouging and stabbing.

>>64002775 (OP)

Let her go!

>>64002775 (OP)

If the attacker is careless enough to have any of his skin within biting distance of your mouth, bite down and hard. The shock and pain of skin being broken skin is enough to allow you to break free.

>>64002775 (OP)

kick 'em in the balls

>>64002775 (OP)
Mulekick to the knee or groin if you know how, then go for a hand to break using qinna.
Full rear-naked choke by someone who practices? Probably the same knee attack followed by some kind of roll.
>>64002949
I always forget how much of a base even a few months of high school wrestling gave me.
The real answer to not getting choked is always to not let someone get into that position.

>>64003948
RNC only works in a rules-based setting because the attacked is entirely vulnerable. If you RNC me on the street, I'm going for your eyes in that 10 seconds, or gutting you.

>>64012609
the attacker is extremely vulnerable.
>still haven't finished my coffee

>>64004954
You're being rear naked choked and my intent is for you to die. You have exactly 8 seconds in this position to figure out how to stop me. I have a grip strength of 164lbs and the more you move the tighter I tighten my arms.

Good fucking luck. You were dead from the start.

>>64014414
Anon it takes like one second to draw a fucking knife.

Threads like this tend to be pretty boring but I get a kick out of seeing internet tough guys fantasize about how the fights they've never been in would play out, so I guess they're all right after all.
>better than another ukraine thread anyway

>>64003487
You're on an image board you fuck

>>64002775 (OP)
You fight the hands and tuck your chin. If it's some dumbass standing rape choke, you just walk away. They aren't actually grabbing you, or snap down their neck and start kneeing their body.

>>64002949
Based and wrestlepilled

>>64002775 (OP)
Activate suicide vest

>>64002775 (OP)
Tuck in chin, and presuming you're not far stronger than the choker, you need to inflict enough pain for them to break the hold. Stomp on foot, dig nails in, bite down hard if able, or grab balls and squeeze/tear as hard as you can.

It's a bitch move in a gentlemanly fight, but if it's life or death there are no bitch moves.

>>64002775 (OP)
grab his dick and balls and squeeze hard.

>>64002775 (OP)

Urinate/vomit all over the attacker

>>64015445
>>64015389

This

>>64002775 (OP)
Look into standing RNC choke defence in BJJ, practice this in open mats.
Basically your two options are:
1. Some variant of breaking the hold, and turning to face them. Followup with a takedown or creating distance.
2. Throwing them over your back.
>What if it's a choke from the front?
If they're "darth vader" choking you, it's pretty easy to break it because you'll practice breaking grips all the time in BJJ. Also look into standing guillotine escapes.
It's interesting you ask this OP because I actually was in this situation 3 months ago.
>At a large whetherspoons (basically where retards go to drink before going to clubs)
>Went downstairs to get another drink, so separated from my friends
>Some randos I barely met 6 months ago from uni want to talk to me
>Someone not from either my friends or these randos comes up to me and grabs my neck from behind
>Shittiest attempt at choke ever, you're supposed to cut off the sides of the neck and push them into the choke. He just had his forerarm around the front of my neck and was pulling me (unsuccessfully)
This is where I fucked up.
>Because this was a shitty choke, I assumed it was just a retard from the BJJ club pranking me, so I don't react other than tucking my chin down as a basic level of defence.
>After about 5-10s he lets go
>I turn around and say "Jiu jitsu?"
>He ignores me and walks off
Still no idea WTF that was about. There was no argument/altercation leading up to this, it was entirely random.
Since then, I have started carrying a cigarette lighter and practiced standing choke defences.
>TL;DR
I had retard-tier situational awareness

>>64003948
>>64005593
>>64006129
All of you niggas have never been in this situation or trained grappling
>>64014723
Correct and it sounds like you actually train. Tucking chin and pulling arms IMO is best followed up with a throw or turning around, bending down, and doing a takedown.

It's very, very hard, and not always possible at all.

Sports fighting, UFC etc has spread the misconception of TKO. It's not real. Doesn't exist. In an actual fight an attacker might simply break your neck even if they didn't intent to. There's no referee telling you when to stop applying a choke.

Tuck your chin and drop your knees in the hope you can stop them applying the choke properly.
Grab their forearm and pull down with your body weight, again this is more to stop them applying the choke, if it's a one arm choke you might be able to break out of it.
Second hand: attempt to break their fingers, just fucking rip them off its not a game. If you get nothing try to gougue their eye with your thumb.

But the big problem here is how you stop them breaking your neck, by punching you in the side of the head, dropping back with their full body weight and driving their knee into the back of your skull, side stepping you and doing the same, or going forewards over your shoulders and putting you in a rear naked choke on the ground.

>inb4 judo shoulder throw
You can lift the person but not break the choke, the result is that when they go down they can snap your neck with the full weight of their body
>backstep
If you can pull their arm down enough you can try to put your right foot behind their left foot, from which position they can hold you but not apply the choke. But the problem is that if your right foot isn't braced they can twist you face first into the ground. They can also just lift their left leg between your legs and drop you both onto your backs.
>just pull down
If they havnt applied the choke and are only using one arm, absolutely, it's pretty much the first thing you should try. But if they've applied the choke with two arms you probably won't get sufficient leverage or grip, you have the weaker angle.

>>64016757
Don't just drop to your knees. That can turn into a seated RNC which is the worst situation to be in. It's also a risk of doing a throw: you can end up in turtle and they're on top of you.
Other than that, I agree that chin tuck + pull is just to buy you time, it's not an escape as-is.
>HOWEVER
The good news is that if this is an unprovoked assault they're probably retarded / don't train. It's always people who don't train or are drunk who try to start shit. You have more advantage than you think.
However if Khabib was the guy who assaulted me I would be dead no questions about it.

And just another thing.
To apply the choke you only need to restrict blood flow to either side of the neck, ideally the right side. But not both.

When people say "pull".... how do I explain this. The choke is applied from their wrist, not their shoulder, not their elbow. Their wrist is the lever. So when you grab their arm work up to their wrist, and force it away from THEIR body.
They can close the choke with a huge amount of force in the direction of wrist to shoulder, but can't use nearly as much force to keep their wrist against their body. If you push the choking wrist out, you can force your chin under. The choke will by just as tight but against your chin that won't achieve anything.
So priority, tuck chin, grab choke arm, just remember to grab the arm high where you have more leverage, grab one of their fingers and snap it. A choke could kill you, nobody dies from a broken finger.

>>64016817
The way I'd explain it is like scissors.
Your bicep and forearm are the blades, cutting off the carotid arteries. Your wrist is like the handles of the scissors. So controlling the wrist is like forcing the scissors to open.
You need to push them INTO the blades, either with your other arm or with your chest.
>The exception
When I was assaulted the nigger had no idea about any of that, there was NO pressure on either side of my neck and there was probably space between my back and his front. So escaping would not involve controlling the wrist.
>So if it was so easy to escape, why didn't you do anything?
Bad situational awareness

>>64016786
I didn't say drop to your knees, I said drop knees. As in, lower your stance. If you're fast enough the combination of chin, dropped stance, and grabbing the arm can stop them applying the choke in the first place. More and more guys are leaning chokes now because of UFC, but thankfully they're taught how not to break people's necks, rather then how to break them.

I learned to break people's necks and kill them, how to stomp someone to death, leg-leg locks for knife fighting so you can only stab each other's legs on the ground, I trained gouges specifically.

>>64016850
That I'm trying to convey is that you can wreck the angle of their choke far more easily than you can loosen the choke.

Try doing a choke on the air yourself, where are your wrists? They're right up against your body. Try applying a choke to the air with your wrists 3 inches from your chest. Your elbow is at the same angle but suddenly you've got no force.

So if someone chokes you, grab their arm, but rather then pulling their elbow down, push their wrists out. That's the angle they are weak from

>>64002775 (OP)
Obviously you just stick your hand down their pants and start ferociously beating them off

>>64016923
A competition for getting first blood. Fund it.

>>64016864
My mistake. But it might be worth rewording it like "bend and lower knees" to make your wording retard-proof.

This also has the benefit of making you less likely to lose balance and fall back. When I was assaulted that was the other thing I did - bend knees, brace so I don't fall.

>>64016864
Okay, and I'm sure you just see red too, gramps. Let's get some ice cream for that Steven Seagal marathon.

>>64014672
I think you severely overestimate what you can do in that situation.

>>64017621
It's drawing a knife edgeanon not filing your fucking taxes. It's one of the most quick and simple movements imaginable.

>>64017685
>>64017621
>>64014672
Pulling a knife and cutting their arm IS effective. If they weren't illegal in Bongland, I would carry. Check your local laws.
>But anon, you can carry a 3 inch retractable knife
A mate of mine was stabbed with one of those and it didn't do shit. He bled from the chest but that was the only injury. It wasn't provoked either, but there was an exchange of "dafuq you gonna do?" before that.
A "real knife" a la crocodile dundee would cut tendons and can paralyse you for life.

>>64017701
This, while a 3" knife is better than nothing you're gonna need to caesar a bitch.

>>64017228
I'm not used to discussing these things, we just do them on the mat

>>64002775 (OP)
>whats the best way to get out of situation?
>no, you can't answer with the actual best way
Don't let somebody catch you completely by surprise and always be armed. The reality is that there is no reliable way out of a proper choke hold.

>>64017709
Even a one in knife is entirely adequate if you play it for what it's worth.
Having any blade means you win a chinche, you win every neutral grappling position, so rather then fighting for position can just sit in a neutral hold and gradually dissect someone.

This is exactly what I was saying about leg-leg locks in knife fighting. It's a neutral grapple which you could try to force a far stronger or better trained opponent into, and then pull a knife and cut their leg off. When your self defence guy says never grapple, never go down in a street fight that's exactly why.

This also means one arm bars, half guard, arm grabs, most greco clinches. One inch of blade means you win neutral grappling positions, and it's very, very hard for your opponent to avoid.

It's entirely legitimate to ice pick grip a blade shorter than two inches, to stay in a boxing stance. Especially if your blade isn't suitable for thrusting, you would still be at a reach disadvantage, you'd worry about high kicks. It also allows you to use the blade a an anchor for your grapples, as you would a karambit. And that's all relevant if you're fighting someone experienced who isn't going to run away if you wave a box cutter at them.

>>64019196
>The reality is that there is no reliable way out of a proper choke hold.
That's what I've been saying, outside of the ring punches to the back of the head, knees while on the ground, compound chokes, breaking someone's neck are all permitted and if you're fighting someone untrained they might just snap your neck instinctively or because they fell over.

To kill someone without a weapon your options are limited and out on the street people don't even know how to do it, they'll beat an unconscious person to a pulp and a month later that guys walking around with a .38.
Breaking someone's neck actually kills them, I've personally braced up and triaged four people until hospital CT cleared them for spinal injuries. A choke hold is something you take way more seriously out in the street, in the ring people think of that as a technical knock out, unconsciousness without hurting someone. Fuck that.
You can beat the shit out of someone and pose little to no risk of killing them with punches and kicks, but you try to choke someone out to avoid that and you can kill them, leave them in a wheelchair, DVD from their end they might just have twisted their own head off trying to get out of the choke.

>>64002775 (OP)
HEEL to de balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mosX7L25HV8

>>64002949

this

>>64016602
bizzare
captcha: gymyx

>>64002775 (OP)
Align your chin with their elbow and pull their arm over your head.

>>64002775 (OP)

Piss and shit yourself

>pull out your fixed blade or spring assisted knife.
>reverse grip
>stabby stabby any target that presents itself.

>>64020813
Sewing attack is inferior, the stab and tend is the correct choice when it's an option

>>64020813

My dad is a cop who had to deal with that once. He put a suspect in a chokehold and the guy whipped out a knife and started thrusting wildly

>>64002949

base

>>64022904

-d

speaking from limited personal experience and some sparring, a properly applied rear choke is damn near impossible to escape
that being said, tuck chin, twist, grab a finger, a ballsack or an eye and work from there
neither proper chokes nor proper choke defense are taught anywhere outside of military/glowoid contexts and there only as an afterthought
a dying art

>>64005154

Cuddle her until she goes to sleep

>>64002775 (OP)
Yo not get into it
Assuming RNC, 2 on 1 the choking hand, straighten it out and move you're head to the backside elbow (you can even sometimes tap retards here, using your head as a fulcrum on the elbow for a shitty armbar) get at least one hook off, usually same side as their choking arm, you can then pass that arm over, use your opposite side arm to reach around, and roll. Sometimes hitting a darce choke.

>>64002775 (OP)
/thread

>>64003487
Welcome to 4chan

>>64002775 (OP)
Go to sleep.
They'll let you go, you get to have a nice nap

>>64002775 (OP)
Shrimp to safety

Grab the back of their neck with one hand, their arm with the other, and flip them over yourself with a hip throw.

>>64007271

She's a literal in-universe gypsy whose parents violently abused her as a toddler, illiterate farm girl living in an economically depressed shithole more dreary than the damned Falkland Islands whose neighbors all think she's cursed. Of course she's got trust issues and volatile temper.

>>64007271

She's a literal in-universe gypsy whose parents violently abused her as a toddler, illiterate farm girl living in an economically depressed shithole more dreary than the damned Falkland Islands whose neighbors all think she's cursed. Of course she's got trust issues and a volatile temper.

step 1: neutralize the arm that is choking you with both hands at first, take note of which arm they are using to choke you, you'll know by whatever hand is nearest to your head.

Step 2: whichever arm they are using to choke you, use your respective arm to continue to protect your airway while stepping your opposite leg behind them, lower your base and put your knee behind their ass, and use your free hand to grab around their hips, gaining control of their center of gravity.

Step 3: maintaining your grip to protect your airway, now that you have control of their hips and thus center of gravity, pick them up and dump them the fuck on the ground. if you are small like me, use your legs and knees like a fulcrum and dump them over you, and if they are a big motherfucker just step the foot that is most behind them behind their farthest ankle and fall backwards, using your foot to trip them.

step 4 securing the kill: now just because you got them on the ground does not mean that they let go of their choke. rest assure, simply step over their hips and using your arms, brace the blade of your forearm on their neck. use your arms and legs to force their head away from your head, and once their grip fails due to weakness or pain from the neck pressure, simply grab the nearest arm and go straight to a free arm bar.

Conclusion: if someone takes your neck by surprise, surprise them by breaking their arm.

>>64020787

this

>>64022904
GET TO YOUR BASE
GET TO YOUR BASE

>>64003449
Why does he hold his hand?

>>64002775 (OP)
If they're behind you
>Heel of Boot, meet Attackers Balls.
>Attackers Balls, this is Heel of Boot.
>You two have fun.
Or, if they're attacking from the front
>Hey Attackers Balls, have you met Heel of Boot's brother?
>He's called Toe Cap.

>>64028817
they are good friends