Thread 64004454

We do a little rocket spam.

-Delivers up to 30 127mm rockets per MFOM pod, significantly increasing magazine depth
-Matches current artillery effects while enhancing rate of fire, range, and volume
-Enables high-rate production of an affordable, scalable rocket capability for the Warfighter
-Extends current Tactical Fires capabilities while maintaining desired artillery accuracy and mass

>>64004454 (OP)
LRMF is a next-generation missile system under development to deliver precision effects at extended ranges. Designed to launch from existing platforms such as HIMARS and MLRS, LRMF expands the reach and flexibility of long-range precision fires. LRMF is being developed to provide significantly greater range than current capabilities while maintaining compatibility with existing force structure.
Incorporating advanced propulsion and maneuverability, LRMF is being engineered to engage high-value targets in complex and contested environments. With its extended reach and responsive flight profile, LRMF supports the Army’s modernization goals and enhances deep fires capability across the battlespace.

>>64004465
“The unique thing about rockets and this type of approach is it allows the ability to rapidly converge, or saturate, a lot of firepower to one place. We will use a pod of 30 rockets that would launch one or two per second from a currently fielded launcher. That launcher converges 30 rockets onto one point or one area of the battlefield in a way that increases the ability to saturate the area. What we’ve seen among users around the world is that they don’t shoot many rockets at their max range and want to have more rockets engage targets at shorter ranges” shared Hunter Blackwell, Fire Support Capability Area Lead. “The Army has been developing the Precision Strike Missile, or PrSM, which is two rockets in a pod, and the replacement for the Army’s Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, the one rocket in a pod system. DSFT is a product that will answer those desires from the user community: to not only deliver more rockets to the battlefield but fired faster and easier for the Soldiers to reload."

>>64004454 (OP)
Fuck it, close enough .
Welcome, BurgerGrad

>the gard at home
>$7 million plus tip each pod
>thwank you

This shit better have some kind of insert that lets it fire grads, not doing so is criminally retarded especially since you could probably just screw a existing APKWS into the fuse hole on a Grad without much trouble.

gay

30 120mm rockets in a pod
2 pods in an autonomous mobile launcher (AML is a HIMARS chassis minus the cab)
6-8 launchers per missile-arty battery
3 batteries per battalion
= 1080-1440 shots in a basic combat load

8 PLS's plus trailers organic supply = 1920 shots immediate reloads

>>64004506
>Blows up a battalion of mobniks in one barrage at three times the range and precision
Nothing personnel kid

>>64004454 (OP)
is it wise to get that close to the frontline in an artillery truck?

>>64004506
>>64004534
>-t. missing the point so hard

There's a series of bureaucratic justifications going on behind the scenes. The goal is an AI targeting seeker on every shot like a modernized BONUS or SADARM which is good vs everything instead of just tanks; so drones can spot and unmanned pods can vomit battalion-erasing mass guided attacks like a swarm of Hellfire missiles at 10x the range.

The path to get there takes overcoming the justifications of the 155mm SPG mafia. First you have to prove that you can still have dumb cheap fires somehow because that's their raison d'etre. Next you need a jsutification for why rockets are better. In this case, logistics, rate of fire, and the TBI effects of howitzers.

Then you can finally plug in the AI phone cameras JDAM style to the pack of dumb rounds.

sources: industry contracts,US army artillery magazines, and a little thought

>>64004543
Look closer. It's an unmanned truck.

PRSM will do the counterbattery against other long-range guided artillery. This is the general-purpose weapon against everything else.

>>64004538
>minimum vehicles in a modern mechanized brigade: about 2000
>maximum: about 4000
Fuck drones we're entering the age of personally addressed smart missiles. You WILL enjoy a 100lb facial-recognition triggered missile diving through your worthless anti-quadcopter net and sandbags.

>>64004563
It is moronic not to add flexibility for the sake of 5mm, i would automatically disregard it just for that as the builder is blatantly trying to prevent such a possibility for the sake of exclusive sales.

>>64004620
What do you mean?

What's the range?

>>64004747
10km

>>64004454 (OP)
>only 6 wheels

>>64004747
>direct support fires technology. The Army is looking to have a low ... 30 to 40 kilometers,
Same as the modernized Grad a lot of armies are using. At least the Grad is cheap because it tends to explode too often in current year...

>>64004747
Over 70km.

>>64004806
sauce?

>>64004454 (OP)
>>64004465
>>64004472
>>64004487
Already tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCaVnHX9x3E

>>64004824
Artillery magazine.

>>64004825
That's a Korean APKWS clone only 70mm in dia. This is a big chonky 120mm tank cannon HEDP-frag class shell.

>>64004841
>APKWS clone
Nope, it's a LOGIR that the Navy was working together with South Korea until it turned became a separate project. Basically each of the rocket is equivalent to a Javelin. They also have a 130mm guided rocket which features the same technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUBCiczi_D0

>>64004590
lol

>>64004863
LOGIR was a spinoff of the APKWS genealogy zoomie. The cameras of the time weren't good enough for ground attack so it got kicked overseas. It is decidedly not a Javelin equivalent warhead kek.

>>64004563
>The path to get there takes overcoming the justifications of the 155mm SPG mafia.
Remind them M109s take a longer to fire and scoot than himars. If they SPG mafia wants to remain relevant mabe get something where the crew doesnt have to hop out of their fucking metal box to load it. The euros have all those auto loading arty trucks maybe take a peek at those.

>>64004925
APKWS had only had a laser guided option until BAE stepped in to develop APKWS II recently which is still wip, whereas LOGIR features a fully fire-and-forget capable IR seeker with LOAL capability which makes it capable of engaging multiple targets at the same time. Basically, it's like a poor man's Brimstone.
>The cameras of the time weren't good enough for ground attack so it got kicked overseas
Thank god we're not living in the early 2000s anymore.
>It is decidedly not a Javelin equivalent warhead
A typical 2.75" HEDP warhead can penetrate up to 300mm RHA, which is the same as the M72 LAW. Now apply this to a top attack capable guided rocket.
Btw, the 130mm version can fit up to 20 in the same canister that's used in M270 and K239.

>>64004590
America already has this and has had this for at least a decade. we made this blatantly obvious with the flying sword.

>>64004806
>aluminum-lithium alloy fuel
ALITEC.

>>64005020
>build rockets
>still measure distances in bodyparts
This is why the nazis and even the thoroughly corrupt soviet union was so far ahead in rocketry.

>>64005020
>+2% of range
impressive

>>64004563
>grad but the rockets contain chatgpt
fantastic

>>64004722
If it was 122mm instead of 127mm it could fire grads with APKWS kits screwed onto them, not to mention allies transitioning to US systems could keep their existing munitions stocks.

>>64004454 (OP)
127mm rockets are anemic as fuck, there is a good reason why nato uses higher calibers

>>64005231
>screwed onto them
If it was that useful people would simply make a grad compatible cartridge too.

Besides there might be other compatibility issues, like whatever comes out of grad missiles ass corrodes normal truck etc.

>>64005259
They suck because they're inaccurate and unguided. Once you guide them, it's a warhead double the mass of a Hellfire payload.


>>64005231
Grads are Russian crap dating back to WW2. Nobody wants nasty Slavic jank.

>>64005310
>Nasty slavic jank
You sound like a 12 yo girl. It's the most widely produced rocket on earth, it is even made by NATO nations. The rocket itself is irrelevant, all that matters is the guidance system.

The US has been using the sidewinder since 1956 and with guidance upgrades those are intended to stay in service until 2055.

>>64005310
>Grads are Russian crap dating back to WW2.
Non-russian grads have a range of +40kg, better payload and some of them are even guided. Because a Grad MLRS is just a size format.
Using an incompatible caliber is an excuse to avoid competition.
I'm waiting to see the 165 mm SPH

>>64004803
Wect is finish

>>64005310
>Once you guide them
too expensive for its payload
just use 227 mm rockets like a white man

>>64005621
There's no reason a guidance package should cost more than a cheap smartphone ... if manufactured by China

>>64004994
A flying sword personally built for every mobik

unlimited blade works

>>64005404
The Grad rocket is a poorly designed POS. Spin stabilized, dual-sheet-metal-layer for frag, antique propellant and more. In this very thread you can see how using a superior propellant more than doubles the range. There's more to war than firmware updates.

>>64005621
This 5x's the capacity per pod.

>>64005785
>. Spin stabilized
Like the Hydra and 227mm guided and unguided rockets for the M270/HIMARS?
Spin stabilization is the norm for rocket artillery.

>>64005785
So what? There are 100K of the damn things and they will be being made for 100+ years from now at least.

Doesn't really matter, a simple tail sleeve and a spacer for any guidance kit could easily add 5mm.

>>64005860
She doesn't actually know anything about rockets.

>>64005865
So here in the West fake cost savings through inferior gear are not our values. We prefer to build reasonably good things that reliably do what we intend them to achieve.