When will Russian Shahed/Geran production reach to a level to sustain 10.000+ launches per day? How would It affect the current war of It when It happens?

>current war
I live in America, what war?

>>64007909 (OP)
Probably never unless China decides to become active participant.
And probably npt that much considering thta russia seems to focus on harassing civilians for some dumb reason.

launching a few hundred a day is more than enough for attrition; enough will get through to hit what you want to hit, and it'll cost the enemy to attempt to take them down. the longer it goes on at this rate, the more degraded the enemy in offensive and defensive power.

it's a form of strategic warfare.

>>64007909 (OP)
>10.000+ launches per day
1 sneedhead costs between 100k and 177k USD,
10000 sneedheads will cost 1000 millions USD or 1 BILLION USD
PER DAY
ON SHAHEDS
that's 365 billion USD on Sneedheads and nothing else
Russian economy implodes long before that

>>64007909 (OP)
Who cares? War is gay and retarded.

>>64007961
This, the "russian economy is on the blink of implosion" is no longer a meme in 2020+5, and that's with daily launches of ~500 shaheds, among other things.

>>64007911
You live in Russia, China, or India.

>>64007961
>100k and 177k USD,
That is difficult to believe, most estimates I've seen suggest more like 10-50k

>>64007967
That'd be convenient, wouldn't it?
I don't care about foreign wars
I don't care about foreigners
Slavs die, God laughs

>>64007968
>install 40k USD of gps antenna on every shahed
>magically price of the whole thing is 10k

if we had flags or IDs this daily 4-hour block of anti-west(see: america) posting would be so much more ignorable.

>>64007909 (OP)
>10.000+ launches per day
Their 200-500-ish launches per-day are estimated at 100-150 million USD, per month.

Yeah economies of scale are a thing and all, and prices would presumably drop as the industal-base expands, but you do understand that's asking (Russia, of all places) to spend hundreds of billions USD per year on just sneeds and sneeds alone, right?

I mean Nabiullina committed to the outright printing of 36% of their annual budget (not even loans lamo), I don't think they can realistically do more than 1000 daily, and even that's not really "long-term".

>>64007972
Okay Chang

>>64007968
I'd wager the bullshit ones they send out are 10-50k in costs but the only ones that are going to have any chance of doing damage cost well over that due to the electronics needed.

>>64007961
in current year the "shahed launches" actually are
50-60% Gerbera or another drone. That are actually cheap unlike the dorito contraption.
50-40% Shaheds (most made by kupol probably because it seems more optimized for mass production)
So the figure probably would be lower and still higher than their total military budget.

It's funny that some Gerbera have the old Kometa-M with 4 antennas like the 2022-2023 Shaheds meanwhile Shaheds have antennas from 4 (some alabuga crap) to 16 elements.
The engine, GNSS and INS systems are really expensive, the production line even more, so it's hard to know if russia isn't just double down with their retardation because they can't spend their military budget on their lost hulls and empty military depots closed down. I wouldn't be surprised if the budget of the Shahed program is
$5-10 billion in current year, $20-25 billion in total per year for all their long range weapons.
Monke just want destruction.

>>64007981
>still using the 15k figure
I guess that is ok for webtards after even don boomer trump dropped the usual glavset propaganda

>>64007983
>Not slavic... ah hah! He's yellow!
Try again, rabbi

>>64007990
You are not American.

>>64007995
>Y-y-you CAN'T be American! It's just not possible!
I know it's hard to believe from the shithole you're posting from, but I truly do live in the United States of America where people can be nice to each other without the promise of monetary compensation

>>64007909 (OP)
>10k launches per day
dumb idea
>365*10k launches once
the way to go

>>64007961
I don't see it costing more than $10k. Ofc is it was made in US it would cost 100k to feed all the jews in supply chain.

>>64007968
they're around 50 thousand when mass produced for the current versions.

>>64007981
the cost is worth it when you factor in that they are accurate enough to hit point targets and they're expensive to shoot down. if a single one destroys multi-million dollar targets, you come off better than the enemy. you just need to make sure what you're hitting is more valuable than the drone itself.

>>64007987
>empty military depots closed down.

>Guards no longer have anything to guard
>Send them to the front
>They were no longer needed anyway

Elon Musk would salivate at such government efficiency coming online.

>>64008019
If we speak about jews in supply chain, then russian sneeds probably cost a million dollars a pop when every step on chain takes 90% corruption fee

>>64007909 (OP)
>10.000+ launches per day?
What for, they're already running out of targets, last I've heard they're blowing up recruitment offices in Ukraine with these.

>>64008027
Now is probably very bad time to be jew in russian supply chain with all those windows and shit.

>>64008019
>made in US it would cost 100k to feed all the jews in supply chain.

Iran sold them for 250k a piece in equivalent Sukhoi jets.

Of course Russia never actually delivered the jets so you can say they cost nothing at all (Iran did it for free), but now Russia lost not just a Syria but also an Iran.

>>64008023
>the cost is worth it when you factor in that they are accurate enough to hit point targets
nope
>and they're expensive to shoot down
drone interceptors are cheaper
>a single one destroys multi-million dollar targets
name 10 such military targets destroyed in the last year by sneeds

>>64008023
>they're around 50 thousand
Is that the estimation using the Cranny-Evans + three-fiddy of upgrades? Or using the Alabuga leak?
The Minoboron pays fairly more than the marginal cost for the company... otherwise the F-35 would cost $30 million or a silicon waffer $1000 instead of +20,000 dollars.

>>64008052
>the Alabuga leak
Qrd?

>>64008043
> Russia never actually delivered the jets
Iranians should have asked only gold like they did with the upfront payment of ~2 tons of gold

>>64008038
Nah, only the somewhat honest ones get the free flying lessons.

>>64008057
The mails of an Iranian front company was hacked in 2024 and the hacker group released internal documents related to Alabuga, like production plans, cost per drone and cost for the russian government for those drones, basic manufacturing guides, etc
The tl;dr was, the company doing serial production could make another drone for $50k (marginal cost) but after including the company's operative expenses and profit the final figure for the russian minister of defense was +$160k

>>64007981
If this document is true, that means that the Russian central bank has bent the knee and we'll probably see a drastic drop in interest rate.

>>64007941
>russia seems to focus on harassing civilians for some dumb reason

Indeed. I'm wondering why they're spamming these in batches all over the entire country of Ukraine to little seeming effect, instead of massing the launch of 700+ Gerans onto a single tactical point in support of an offensive operation at the front.

>>64008145
Because the shasneed and its derivatives has a CEP measured in city block which is pretty fucking useless against entrenched and dispersed forces but just the ticket if all you want to do is commit terrorism.

>>64008352
>derivatives has a CEP measured
you can miss even with a sub-10m CEP, their problems are unrelated to the guidance.

>>64007961
delusional

>>64007981
with this kind of export structure?
I don't think they give that much of a shit, considering that they still export most of it

>>64008410
An export-based economy, particularly petroleum, is not a recipe for stable money flows, anon. Even the Saudis know this.

And that's assuming you aren't an at-war pariah state whose entire hydrocarbon export infrastructure is explicitly being protected by political interests in co-belligerents, and nothing else. If that's the case then the situation becomes a bit more dire.

>>64008043
>Iran sold them for 250k a piece in equivalent Sukhoi jets.
AFAIK for some of them russia paid in physical gold, there were some custom declarations leaked from russia

>>64008462
nothing russia does is following a recipe
they still have stable money flows and hydrocarbon infrastructure *is* protected by those political interests, since it apparently can't be shut down for 3 years of effort
the "dire" projections have been going on for those three years now and have always pretty much just said "we could not have operated our country in this manner", but russia somehow still does and clearly is (mostly) constrained by things other than budget in this war

>>64008410
>seed oils

>>64008023
>50 thousand when mass produced for the current versions.
Lol no.

Just the electronic warfare shit they're needing to install on them likely costs that much these days. Everytime Ukraine jams their GPS they have to invent a new more complex version, they're getting MORE expensive as time goes on.

>>64008523
formerly sneed oils

>>64008514
>have always pretty much just said "we could not have operated our country in this manner",
Mostly because it is an idiotic manner that will kill the country eventually. Honestly, russia has already poisoned itself and will eventually face worse than 90s crisis regardless of the outcome of the war.
Putin is probably just hoping to kick the bucket before that happens.

>>64008145
Because it's not a tactical weapon, it's a terror weapon. V-2: electric lawnmower boogaloo bullshit. They can't reliably aim it, so it's worthless for front-line duty, but it gives these turbo-cunts joy to kill innocent civilians somewhere in the country because it makes them feel like they're winning or something. Don't ask me why, you need to be subhuman to get it I guess.

SVB needs to organize safaris in post-collapse russia (when, not if, is the question) to hunt these fuckers down, down to the very last janny in the shasneed factories. I'd pay plenty for the thrill of the hunt.

>>64007972
if you didn't care you wouldnt be posting here

>>64008514
>nothing russia does is following a recipe
Liquidating the sovereign wealth fund, liquidating gold reserves, liquidating oligarchs for their assets, cutting entitlements spending when inflation adjusted, naked money printing (>>64007981) are all things that have been done, and are continuing to be done. There is indeed a "recipe" of sorts here, and it isn't going to be a savory treat.
>they still have stable money flows
Gazprom disagrees
>hydrocarbon infrastructure *is* protected by those political interests, since it apparently can't be shut down for 3 years
Relying on perpetual political convenience, entreaties completely absent, of foreign powers for anything resembling state solvency is unwise. Especially if said parties are in the process of actively facilitating your demise.

DEU Greens eventually realized this "problem".
Don't be more dumb than a greenie, anon.

>>64008950
>russian behavior is unwise
>Don't disagree with me or you're dumb
anon, "russian behavior is unsustainable long term" is not a radical thought I'm allergic to. The fact that you keep trying to convince me even calling me dumb about it shows an experienced western analytic ©
how come all of you dipshit midwits can write a shitpost about "end is nigh for russia" with a fancy graph every month and then just stop the thought there and neither predict when the "two weeks" actually come nor propose any policy changes to accelerate those two weeks, considering that pattern recognition ought to have kicked in by this point about "doom next year" been going on for 3 years now

>>64007981
Jesus that flew past me. Good fucking riddance. S.
15 trillions In cash added to approx 19 in circulation.
They start in July but being Russians it will take until August for the majority of bills to reach the economy. Another 3-5 months for circulation and by Christmas in most C- and a lot of B-tier cities the majority of people will become malnourished.
Swear we from the tap water alliance are going to occupy that shitheap for its nukes anyhow, let s do Nuremberg trials 2.0 while we're at it. Alone the suffering of the kids in the next 3 years warrants the gallows.

>>64008128
retard here.
what would it mean in the grand scheme of things for russia(short/long term)?

>>64009038
Short:
Russia does not bankrupt immediately and can keep paying for stuff
Long:
Russia is going to make weimar republic look like a joke

>>64009038
A nothinburger. They have plenty 'sovereign goods' to sell (commercial rights, resources exploitation rights, expropriating and selling private property, land).
Check the economic history of Argentina or most African countries, even without IMF, private lenders a country can keep burying itself in debt and a dysfunctional economy for decades.
As long as the population doesn't removes the government-oligarchs supporting the war they can keep this retarded war going.

>>64007972
If only everyone had that spirit

>>64009038
To use an example: Russia is a person thats seriously bleeding from both legs. It applied two tourniquets. Over the next 3 hours all is well. The main body will not bleed out, the longer the Tq stays on, the pain increases until necrosis nibbles away both legs.

They print money to pay for stuff they couldn't afford in the first place.
Of official 19 trillion units of toilet paper, maybe half is truly in circulation. Say 10 trillions. You now add 1.5 that number to the circulation while only producing the same amount of goods.
Prices will 3-5x within 2025.

>>64009038
If it's real, it means they gave up and are moving to a pretend economy.
Long-term: They chose the hyperinflation tech tree.

>>64008410
>Total: $394B
Holy fuck, that's less than Poland or Belgium

>>64007911
your next civil war

>>64009060
>They have plenty 'sovereign goods' to sell (commercial rights, resources exploitation rights, expropriating and selling private property, land).
They absolutely don't want to sell that shit unless critically necessary, because every asset in foreign hands is one less asset to (re)distribute to the aristokratura for rentseeking purposes. And nationalization makes people not want to risk getting burned a second time.

>>64007972
did a slav fucked your mom and left, or something?

>>64009100
They will probably sell to china, and then attempt to nationalize them again soon enough.
Which will probably create the casus belli for china to occupy siberia.
Kinda interesting to see the seeds for the future wars to be sown in the real time.

>>64008019
> I don't see it costing more than $10k
Engine cant be less than 10k. After all the discounts.

>>64009111
>They will probably sell to china, and then attempt to nationalize them again soon enough.
There's 0 chance the vatnigs would try that. They're retarded, but not that kind of retarded.
As far as I can tell, thus far all the economic treaties were for exclusive supply, basically maintaining the fig leaf of domestic ownership (though that domestic owner answers directly to his Chinese purchaser).

>>64009060
>commercial rights, resources exploitation rights, expropriating and selling private property, land
The downside with being a maffia state where the rule of law is a joke is that only the truly desperate (or those who like insane risks) would be willing to "buy" anything today if the monke can just take it away again tomorrow

>>64007911
https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjrl/vol24/iss2/2/

>>64009100
They didn't want a 4 years war out of a 3-day SMO, and still...

>>64009137
They would not dare do that to the bugpeople, unless they want to get reamed harder than a petukh in a Polar circle penal colony.
They will just do the whole "domestically-owned" (but subject to Chinese demands, and having to accept Chinese-imposed prices) thing.

>>64009100
who's gonna buy shit in Russia after they stole billions worth of factories and planes from Western companies in 2022? Only China at 50% discount

>>64009143
That was just monke being an impatient but lazy zigger.

>>64007981
kek. they will go full stalinist gulag concentration camps for the slave labor by next year at this rate. Ukraine and monke seem to be really achieving it
>breaking vatnikstan once and for all

>>64009156
they have done that to changs previously and will turn on them the second its beneficial for them. Vatniks are extremely stable and predictable in their niggerish mentality

>>64009203
Hence why the chingchongs have eventually migrated to "bilateral agreements" (where payment is disbursed only upon goods delivered), instead of outright joint ownership.

>>64007961
The Shahed-136 costs less than a fucking ATGM and has ten times the inpact, retard. They're not expensive toys meant to conduct collections, they're literally meant to be disposable. They're suicide UAS, its in the fucking name.

>>64007979
What fucking GPS turbo nigger? You can buy civian FPV systems for like 1k.

>>64009223
>You can buy civian FPV systems for like 1k.
I like how ziggers have brain of a toddler
>cesna is a plane
>cesna costs one million dollars
>therefore b-2 spirit, who is also a plane, can't cost 700 million dollars, because it's also a plane

>>64009223
>Shahed-136 costs less than a fucking ATGM
Russia was selling the Kornet missile itself for $70,000 a few years ago, and $210k the launcher (the price is fixed 3:1).
They paid between $375k and $192k to Iran for the shahed 136 depending on the lot size and previous purchases, +$160k for their own shaheds and excluding the licensing rights.

>>64007968
50k is what the russian government forces their arms industry to sell at. Which just means the producers have to make a loss on each sale, and then take up toxic loans from russian banks, which the russian government forces those banks to provide, even though they won't be able to pay that back.

The result is that the Russians totally pay such a low price on paper. All it costs is them steadily ruining their entire banking sector, to the point that multiple banks are now making noises about requiring bailouts or going bankrupt.

>>64007961
>1 sneedhead costs between 100k and 177k USD
You're taking a value that suits your beliefs.
In drawing estimates, it's better to take a value that suits the opponent's beliefs.
I.E. be conservative in estimates and assume worst case scenarios to generate the first rough estimate.

1 sneedhead costing ~50k
10k sneedheads costing USD$500,000,000
Half a billion.
It doesn't change the economic projections much, your point stands, but it's a much safer estimate.

>>64008373
Post inflation rates, Vanya. I mena, even the state propagnada ones are loking wild these days. And now the banks are starting to ask for bailouts because of all the toxic loans they were forced to feed to the arms industries.

>>64008514
>they still have stable money flows
Is that why their Sovereign Welfare fund is at less than 50% pre-war level and now dropping at such a rate that it is set to run out within 12-18 months?

>the "dire" projections have been going on for those three years now
And have proven quite true, as shown by the increasingly desperate measures and heavy-handed state control Russia has had to stoop to to keep afloat.

And lack of budget is already massively ocnstrianing russian operatiosn at every level, from their inability to afford proper gear and training to the shambolic and deterioating state of their logistics.

>>64007965
>and that's with daily launches of ~500 shaheds
It's actually been very low the last week, around 60ish drones each night and just a couple of missiles some nights.
People attribute this to Kellog being in Kyiv and Putin not wanting him to go back to Trump complaining about how he hasn't slept for a week because of constant drone and interceptor explosions and patriot launches.

Tonight looks like it's going to use the saved up ordinance though, 100 drones in the air right now and upwards of 20 missiles if all the bombers and fighter-bombers launching are armed.
We could be looking at the first 1k drones night but we'll see I guess.

>>64007972
>Slavs die, God laughs
You could just say that people die and god laughs.
He doesn't seem to have bothered intervening directly in any war that's happened since umm, the Caanites and Israelites I guess?

>>64009283
>You're taking a value that suits your beliefs.
I'm taking up most realistic number. 170k is how much they were paying for Shaheds in 2022, it's not a belief but real number.
There was also number, higher than 50k, detailing cost of materials and labor cost of making Geran in Russia, without any profit for company or cost of R&D or cost of expanding Alabuga factored in. That was before they started adding extremely expensive 12-16 channel CRPA antennas, increasing payload cost, adding cameras, SIM-readers, NVIDIA GPUs.
16 channel Kometa M will likely cost between 30 and 40 thousands of dollars. How in the world whole finished product will cost 50k?

>>64007965
>daily launches of ~500 shaheds
That was all of TWO days. Yesterday they launched ~80

>>64009131
>Engine cant be less than 10k. After all the discounts.
If it's made domestically then possibly but if it's Chinese then it can be well under $10k.

Aliexpress engines are fine for this, they're one-use after all, just install it, check it starts and if it doesn't immediately die or ignite then you're good to go.
It's going to have a lifespan of three to six hours and the maintenance will be done by Ukrainian forensic technicians.

>>64009004
>"doom next year" been going on for 3 years now
And they are increasingly doomed. You don't seem to be deny this, just pose a generic criticism of overly enthusiastic time-frames from click-bait social media outlets. Which is fine, but doesn't refute the underlying factors those were based on. There is no think-tank nor even notable OSINT source that's published a timeline on Russia's economic collapse, because they are not prophets and don't pretend to be. Since 2022 the most you'll find is measures of economic activity (typically lifted from Rosstat) and conjecture upon how it may change given internal and external factors over time. Sanctions, interest rates, labor market, oil price, etc.

To the current point: They are not liquidating everything because it is funny, do they do because they have to.
>The fact that you keep trying to convince me even calling me dumb about it shows an experienced western analytic ©
I have not? That was just poking fun at German greenies. Calm down.

>>64009343
>if it's Chinese then it can be well under $10k.
Chinese like money, why give discount to desperate people that have nowhere else to buy

>>64009323
>I'm taking up most realistic number
One that you believe is realistic.
Hence, a number that suits your beliefs.

I wish scientific and engineering thought was taught better in high school, it really hurts you in adult life when you don't question your beliefs and assume that you're not going to be wrong about anything.

What I said in the last post wasn't about arguing with your number, it was about why it's a bad idea to estimate the way you did and how it often leads to error.

>>64009343
>hen it can be well under $10k.
Before removing it from public listing (along side all similar engines) they were selling the (Xiamen) Limbach at $12.5k for big orders). All russian Shahed 136 shootdown have that engine in specific.

>>64009223
>The Shahed-136 costs more than a fucking ATGM and has between 1/10th and 1/100th the iMpact
FTFY

>>64009354
>using slop gpt to gaslight other anons
pathetic.
PS. Not him.

>>64007961
LMAO, $20k AT most

>>64007972
Yet you observably care enough to have kept posting this drivel religiously for over 3 years now, Indiana vatnigger.

>>64009384
Why not $2k? Free?
Come on, what are the cost-elements in the product?

>>64009354
>One that you believe is realistic.
one of the numbers I've named is literally, LITERALLY, how much they paid for Shahed, we know it, it's not belief, thinking or thought. It's literally how much they paid for it.
The number of 50k is not backed up by anything. Anything at all, so why should I even entertain it?

>>64009384
The jamming-resistant GPS antenna alone costs more than that, retard. Try $100k+ and that's with massive savings from bulk manufacture and ordering.

Of course like half of that will be "paid" by forced toxic bank loans to hide the cost in the government budget, which is why russian banks are increasingly crying for bailouts.

>>64009354
You've a valid point but you're barking up the wrong tree.
His numbers are way more realistic and evidence-based than your physically impossible worst-case ballpark estimate.

Go sit in the dunce corner.

>>64009393
I like how your retarded cope number gets smaller and smaller every time.

>>64009419
Meant for >>64009384

>>64007981
How is printing money going to stabilize inflation?

>>64009473
>How is printing money going to stabilize inflation?
are you being antisemetic?

>>64009473
Stabilize inflation?

>>64009473
It's going to stabilize its quadratic growth rate.

>>64007909 (OP)
>How would It affect the current war of It when It happens?
Almost zero impact on the frontlines. All they use them for is terror bombing like the subhumans they are

It depends a lot on production of inerceptor drones. If hypothetically the interceptor drones are as cheap to pump out as people think they could be then the ratio flips again and Russia spends more money on strikes than the defender spends on countering it but that may or may not happen. The saturation of systems like APKWS and Skynex also matter a lot. The other thing to consider is that as of right now the Russian Gerans don't solve the issue of the Russian killchain don't have the capacity to effectively use them against military targets and due to their relatively small warheads even with the biggest models don't have the ability to deal catastrophic damage to civilian infrastructure. Russia is trying to make variants with jet engines and so on but unlike a lot of people I don't think that they actually matter that much because it would add a lot of complexity and price and it would become a bottleneck for production in all likelihood and bring them closer to cost effective engagements for something like NASAMS or IRIS-T.

>>64009599
this

>>64009419
Pidors typically lie by slashing/adding one 0, so current real price of Sneeds is about $200k per piece. Which seems about right, as per other anons, and if that's right, then not only we won't really see 500+ attacks per day ($36+ billion yearly), that would also explain why there is no million Shaheds per year, as promised already in 2023, because quite literally Moscow is too poor for that.

Why don't the Ukies just use barrage balloons? Doesn't have to cover the entire city, just the avenues of approach or near critical infrastructure.

>Very cheap compared to interceptors or AA guns
>WW2 used steel cables, but honestly Sneedheads could be stopped with a nylon cables
>Passive, don't have to do anything but keep them up
>Sneedheads are dumb drones anyway, always come in low, predictable direction and won't be able to maneuver around a net of cables

Why wouldn't it work, or why haven't they at least tried it?

>>64009683
Russians tried putting nets on buildings. Didn't help at all
In fact it hurt in one case, Russians were ordered to put net on most important part of a factory, so only one out of 12 buildings in factory had net on top. Can you guess which building had it's roof caved in by a drone?

>>64009683
You just have to send a few drones on the balloons ?

>>64009695
They put it *on* the factory? Like not even attempted to make a perimeter around said factory?

They're supposed to be used like huge fences, not ERA.

>>64009695
Barrage balloons and cope nets are different. Did you even look at his picture?

>>64009683
>Doesn't have to cover the entire city, just the avenues of approach
It would in fact have to cover the entire city.
The drones are diving from up to 5km altitude so you can't just ring the city.
There's no avenues of approach because they can have complex flight plans, these aren't V1s.

>>64009713
An average balloon costs $1000, if that.

An average drone costs $15k on the low end. >>64009599 makes a good point, if you flip the cost of defense vs offense you start winning the war of attrition.

The Russians, hoping to take our $10 million power plants with $15k drones will now use $15k drones to take out $1k balloons.

These are dumb drones, they are incapable of maneuvering around obstacles remotely, so that even IF, and that's a big IF, they take out a balloon, it's just a balloon.

You're also assuming the drones are more accurate than hitting a city block

>>64009727
All the footage I've seen of these drones have been them hugging the ground at ~500 ft or so to avoid detection, AFAIK they're not maneuverable to do a steep dive like that at the tail end of their course.

Most footage I've seen is them cruising from that altitude and then diving down to their target.

The perimeter of Kyiv is about 120km on the high end, with a balloon and nets every 100m or so it's entirely doable for a country like Ukraine to build a net. Even if it's just around power plants or hospitals

>>64009734
>An average drone costs $15k
Drones near its target aren't average, and shaheds are around 10 times more expensive.

> will now use $15k drones to take out $1k balloons.
If balloons become a problem (I doubt it) there're countering like wire cutters. And the comparison 15k vs 1k (ignoring the real cost of the drone which makes it even more lopsided) is meaningless because a gap in a wall of balloons can be work far more than 1 drone, the rest of balloons can't move, so for some hours your hundreds of balloons are useless like a broken dam.

>You're also assuming the drones are more accurate than hitting a city block
The "average" drone has dGPS and anti-jamming features, they're are precise even if the target coordinates aren't accurate most of the time. That's unrelated to the drone and the accuracy of its path.

>>64009757
>All the footage I've seen of these drones have been them hugging the ground at ~500 ft or so to avoid detection
That was months ago.
Tactics evolve.

>>64009762
You're piling costs on top of a drone that's already supposed to be cheap. That's assuming it's even practical for a Shahed to carry cutters and use them effectively (a manned BF-109 and a drone are completely different in terms of weight and maneuverability). For the cutters to be effective all of the drones following the first one would have to maneuver in single file to exploit the gap(How they would know how to do that remotely I doubt the Vatniks are that capable). That's all assuming there's no counter measures for the cutters (slack on the line, redundant layers). The barrage balloons rely on tangling the drone more so that actively cutting the wings off.

>The "average" drone has dGPS and anti-jamming features, they're are precise even if the target coordinates aren't accurate most of the time.

Right, but even if you use them against individual balloon, you just wasted a drone on a balloon.

>>64009792
>and maneuverability).
Not relevant for this discussion.

>the cutters to be effective all of the drones following the first one would have to maneuver in single file to exploit the gap
Do you know how they work? because you aren't losing that drone unless the wire it's actually resistant (like a main line), lightweight nets are ok against a 150kg drone if it isn't cut. Doritos are have pusher propeller so they're even more suitable for wire cutting.

> (slack on the line, redundant layers).
Larger balloons, cost, etc. You'ld have to update your mental image...

>Right, but even if you use them against individual balloon, you just wasted a drone on a balloon.
You're focusing on one tree instead of the 'forest' because that's convenient. And btw there're a lot of cities, if you defend just a few places with balloons and stockpile anything valuable there then the other side will use a higher value weapon against that higher value target. This isn't gundam with the complete and forced passivity of your adversary, there's no plot armor irl.

>>64009323
>NVIDIA GPUs.
what the chance of getting RTX 4000/5000 series from a mostly intact shasneed? asking for a friend?

>>64009849
>getting RTX 4000/5000 series from a mostly intact shasneed

Flying loopt cratesp

>>64009223
>What fucking GPS turbo nigger? You can buy civian FPV systems for like 1k.
FPV Sneeds could be here, he thought...

>>64009354
>One that you believe is realistic.
No you dumb cunt, they're the numbers that were on receipts.

>>64009883
>No you dumb cunt, they're the numbers that were on receipts.
may we see these "receipts"?

>>64009714
If you were given ten million rubles and told to protect the most important factory building with steel netting the best way to install that one million ruble system would be on the roof.

>>64008111
Look up Ivan.
>>64009913

How come they’re not used on the front lines? Instead of sending them to Kyiv, have a thousand of them loiter in an area of 900km^2 (or whatever the range of a 155mm shell is) ahead of your attackers and cue them with counter battery radars to attack enemy artillery when they try to fire. That seems to me like it would solve the issue of not being to pull off a large concentrated attack without being splatted immediately.

>>64010282
No but yes.
1.Too expensive and too slow. If your drone needs 2-3 hours to reach its target then it's useless. They aren't exactly stealth and Russia doesn't have a reliable way to communicate with them, they have been using rooters or GSM boards to add some communication but near any good target there'll be a lot of jamming.
They did repurpose the Iskander for a tactical role, although it's excessive and wasteful when a missile 10 times smaller would have the same result.
2. they actually are using an equivalent, their glide bombs were developed with an avionic very similar to the shahed, they share the GPS module, but stripping anything unnecessary. The resulting contraption was cheaper, way faster and it could be integrated with their nearly useless (in 2023) air force.

>>64010282
No but yes.

1.Too expensive and too slow. If your drone needs 2-3 hours to reach its target then it's useless. They aren't exactly stealth and Russia doesn't have a reliable way to communicate with them, they have been using rooters or GSM boards to add some communication but near any good target there'll be a lot of jamming.

2. they actually are using an equivalent, their glide bombs were developed with an avionic very similar to the shahed, they share the GPS module, but stripping anything unnecessary. The resulting contraption was cheaper, way faster and it could be integrated with their nearly useless (in 2023) air force.

>>64007961
This is the Russian economy

>>64010196
kek nice ratio anon it was entertaining

ITT: Ziggers learn about supply and demand on the open market and throw a melty over how Shahed spam is turbo-fucking the Russian economy by providing minimum benefit for maximum cost.

>>64007972
Fart Huffer, is that you?
I've forgotten your actual name because it's been a really long time since you've posted.
Unless you're the gay Canadian who likes to post nudes when he gets angry. Guess we'll find out the answer to that one within the next hour or so.

>>64007980
They'd just do what they do on /pol/ and use a VPN to change their flags.
You'd also just have people picking the flags they like, because your convenience does not matter when I can have a bitchass Nepali flag.

>>64009339
>Yesterday they launched ~80
Last night was 426 but it must have been saved up for the last several nights.
I was the anon who expected 1k raids this week but that's not looking very likely now.
Also, the score card from last night is fucking embarrassing for Team Geran.

> 200/426 attack UAVs
>(+203 location lost);
"location lost" means that Ukies don't know whether they spoofed the GPS, shot them down without them burning/exploding, they were decoys that didn't do anything or they just malfunctioned and crashed, flew away or evaporated.
They used to claim these as EW kills since that's what they're trying to do to them and they fail as if it worked but these days they're open about not really knowing what happened to them.

> 14/14 Kh-101 air-launched cruise missiles;
> 4/4 3M14 Kalibr cruise missiles;
> 1/1 Iskander-K cruise missiles;
> 5/5 aeroballistic hypersonic missiles Kh-47M2 of the Kinzhal complex.
Literally every missile got shot down.
Maybe those German patriots might already be here, or with the winding down of the sandbox shenanigans (see >>64009772) maybe some APKWS were sent/sold to Ukraine?

>>64011294
is ivano-frankivsk some gateway for aid or why are they attacking it with so much?

>>64011311
No doubt ziggers attacking the airbase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/114th_Tactical_Aviation_Brigade

>>64007909 (OP)
My guess is the bottleneck is probably already launching, in terms of best utility. That is, Russia would do better (and knows it would do better) if it could wait two weeks then launch 5000 drones in one night but it can't because launch teams can only manage 600 or so. They are going to have to fundamentally change how they launch some sort of containerized semi-automatic catapult offload or etc.

>>64009323
>NVIDIA GPUs
Are there any pictures of this?
It would be really, really funny to show that to /g/.

>>64011294
>Literally every missile got shot down.
They always try to target the highest value target after releasing the stupid doritos in absurd numbers. I guess Ukraine still have some good interceptors for those CM and BM, far more dangerous than shaheds.

>>64011556
They use diferent gens of the Nvidia Jetson

>>64009305
>We could be looking at the first 1k drones night but we'll see I guess.
meatcatchers are gonna freak

Better yet what are they achieving by bombing commie blocks (aside from crashing their own economy). I don't see how it brings them closer to victory.
Shouldn't they be producing more IFV's and Tanks?

>>64012302
>Shouldn't they be producing more IFV's and Tanks?
WDYM Kumrade!? Our forces are making more tactical Ladas and assault bikes than the rest of the world, urraah

I think so. WWII soviets were retarded but at least they're adding conscriptovichs and armored vehicles without stop. But Putin seems to have a weird fascination about killing civilians so Alabuga got a license for the dorito engine and its own factory to cast aluminum and make engines.

>>64011294
> Literally every missile got shot down

This retard really believes anything Ukraine says without any hesitation. Let me guess, ghost of Kiev is real because Ukr said so lol.

>>64012408
Post impacts then.

>>64012408
>like 1 dead and 1 injured
Kinda aligns with all the missiles being intercepted but a few shitheeds making it thru

>>64012408
well russia did hit a metro station at night during the curfew so yeah. russians are retarded and lost the war a long time ago.

>>64012408
>every missile got shot down
they most likely got intercepted by their target, so in a sense he's right

>>64012264
>I guess Ukraine still have some good interceptors for those CM and BM, far more dangerous than shaheds
They just don't use interceptor missiles for shaheds/gerans. Interceptor drones, MANPADS (including vehicle launched), sidewinders from aircraft, gunships, picrel and many other options exist.
The expensive missiles get saved for Russia's expensive missiles.

>>64012291
>meatcatchers are gonna freak
Nobody in Ukraine freaks out about Russian chimpouts any more, we're extremely used to it.
Some people go to shelters, some sleep in their hallway or bathroom, others sleep in their bed and shrug about the odds of dying in their sleep.

Anyway, it was 426, not 1,000. A bit disappointing really but there could be a bottleneck in launch because they're pretty manual to launch it seems.

>>64012408
>This retard really believes anything Ukraine says without any hesitation
There is an odd discrepancy in what they said.
They said they shot down 100% of the missiles but they also reported a missile impact on a platform in the Black Sea.
picrel

I think Ukies didn't count that missile against the ones launched against Ukraine because a) it was launched at a military target so it's arguably just normal warfare and b) it's so far off-shore that their air defences weren't involved and civilians weren't at risk.
It doesn't count as part of the Russian terror bombing campaign anyway.

>>64011556
>Are there any pictures of this?
>It would be really, really funny to show that to /g/

You'll need to dig into Slavic telegram channels for that. Look here

https://t.me/serhii_flash

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-reportedly-shoots-down-russias-new-aipowered-shahed136-drone-heres-what-we-know-9247

>>64012453
>russia did hit a metro station at night during the curfew
And came close to provoking Trump to nuke them.

>>64012264
>I guess Ukraine still have some good interceptors for those CM and BM, far more dangerous than shaheds
They just don't use interceptor missiles for shaheds/gerans. Interceptor drones, MANPADS (including vehicle launched), sidewinders from aircraft, gunships, picrel and many other options exist.
The expensive missiles get saved for Russia's expensive missiles.

>>64012264
>I guess Ukraine still have some good interceptors for those CM and BM, far more dangerous than shaheds
They just don't use interceptor missiles for shaheds/gerans. Interceptor drones, MANPADS (including vehicle launched), sidewinders from aircraft, gunships, picrel and many other options exist.
The expensive missiles get saved for Russia's expensive missiles.

Fuck me, it took three attempts to upload this pic because it somehow kept saving as zero byte files.

When? When you finally beat Adam Kadyrov in a fair fight.

>>64012653
impossible

>>64012711
For a second I thought that was Georgian script which would make sense because Chechan elites go to Georgia to party and beat up Russians (makes them feel like home) and they get special VIP treatment and roads are closed for them to zip right down to Batumi.
But no.

It's fucking Persian!
Chechan was once written in Arabic script before it was changed to Latin and then Cyrillic, both in the 19th century I think.
He's wearing an Iranian hat I guess, I can't guess fucking why.

>>64012784
>why Farsi?
Isn't it obvious?
Because Rossiskiy Federatsiya and The Islamic Republic of Iran are great and inseparable allies.

>>64007972
yes yes, very convinient sir Sherman Thanksgiving from iowa oblast.

>>64008023
>they are accurate enough to hit point targets
not really, they MIGHT hit the target, which is exactly why russians are so inefficient, they can't hit point targets of any kind with even 80% accuracy.

>>64008514
>we could not have operated our economy in this matter
no more like
>it is physically impossible to operate an economy in this manner without eventually turbo-ultra-mega-fucking-collapsing
>b-but russia are still putting on a brave face
as they do, this entire war russia's economic propaganda has basically been them grinning a forced, pained smile as they slowly jam their arm into a woodchipper, looks really cool until the arm is gone and the woodchipper gets to your head.

>>64009223
>Cost less than an ATGM
incorrect
>and has ten times the impact
on a piece of empty field? sure.
bad accuracy is bad accuracy, end of story.

>>64012784
>He's wearing an Iranian hat I guess, I can't guess fucking why.
don't really know about modern churkoid culture but my guess would be a sort of cultural appropriation.
kinda like white trash in the west getting kanji tattoos or collecting hip hop paraphernalia etc.

>>64012829
>we have 11 motherfucking supercarriers to project force globally
>but we dont even need that
>we can just make a day trip to bomb the other side of the world
>without ever touching grass outside our home airbase

>>64007968
>>64008019

leaks confirm the 100-300k range. at least for the Iran gold deals.
the later knowledge transfer deal was 2 bil for 6000 of them

you pay for more than just raw material and parts btw.

>>64007909 (OP)
>moving stuff on foot
how barbaric

>>64013247
Iranians asked to be paid with different goods, the gold wasn't 100% of the payment and it was just 1.8 tons, around $100 million, part of the rest were jet trainers and Su-35s.
They bought ~8000 shaheds + a few test before that:
Initially Iran asked $375,000 each, and Russia probably paid that much for their first 400-600 drones. $150-225 million
Then $290k for another lot of 2,000 assembled in Iran. $580 million
And $193,000 for the other 6,000 to be built by Alabuga using parts provided by Itan. Licensing instead of actual drones, with assistance for 6,000 units. $1,158 billion, after completing the 6,000 Alabuga was expanded to produce substantially more and Kupol made their own version as similar as possible to the shahed but using more local components and parts directly from China.
The first testing units were was far more expensive, they flew directly to paid above $700k each, in cash and captured weapons like the Javelin.

The shahed trade was worth a total of $1.8-2 billion during the first year. Afterward they bought some jet variants.
Russia transferred some Yak-130 but the Su-35S weren't delivered.

>>64007972
>I don't care about foreigners
>Slavs die, God laughs
Seems that you care about foreigners then

>>64013413
That doesn't sound very caring.
Quite the opposite, in fact.

>>64013422
Exactly my point Igor

>>64013247
Any stats on the engine? That would make a slick motorbike powerplant.

An idea for a mobile game with microtransactions

You play as a Gayrapean and your job is to protect your people against evergrowing number of Guerráñs and ballistic missiles.
You have limited resources such as Industry, Populaton Morale, Interceptors of different types. Industry produces Interceptors which you place on the map trying to guess the best location for intercepting the upcoming wave. The interceptors shoot down some of the incoming targets that pass through the operating radius of the given type of Interceptor. In order to increase Industry you tax Population which decreases Morale. Too many missed drones lower both Morale and Industry.

For microtransactions you can buy some limited number of Attack Missiles which temporarily decrease the incoming waves and Intelligence Data which give you a cue about most probable paths of drones in the next raid.

The defeat is inevitable, in order to get the hiscore your job is to stay alive as long as possible. Once any of the resources drops to zero, you lose.

>>64013422
>That doesn't sound very caring

Caring that God is happy is noble.

>>64007961
The upgraded Geran-2 was costing about $80k in 2024. Assuming economies of scale and streamlining manufacturing they probably have reduced that a bit, but nowhere near $10k.

>>64013492
>thinking in jewish mechanics
you are russian

>>64013492
*Also the player can throw in some Gays for the Population to rape, also for microtransactions. Instantly increases morale and decreases morale penalty of high taxes.

>>64013545
>>64013492
Throw in a civil unrest penalty for when your airports are shutdown and include a racial conflict from importing replacement workers.

If it is really factory to target in under a day, whatever it is that is hit cant be replaced in a day. Even if it is 20-30% effective. If the numbers keep growing they can granulate down to railroad switches, high voltage line supports, small bridges. Thats like slowly pouring sand in a working engine.

>>64013498
>Assuming economies of scale
But economies of scale is not some fucking magic, it won't decrease price tenfold just because they wish for it.

>>64013498
>Assuming economies of scale
You can't assume that. It isn't even relevant here.

Economy of scale in manufacturing just means approaching the base cost of raw materials by proportionally reducing overheads through sheer scale of mass production. Not unlike thermodynamic principles, only infinite production could reach the cost of raw materials.

But they're just assembling a product.
Using components sourced by sanction dodging.
The situation is about as far from idealized mass production gains as you can get.
Coping with the fragility and limitations of illegal supply chains is the name of the game.

Economies of scale, what a laugh. You've heard of what limits theoretical efficiency in a functional society and you try to sound smart by applying it to a fucking criminal enterprise full of corruption.

>>64008514
>>64009004
>they still have stable money flows
You have reached sub-Labubu

>>64014372
What happened to gazprom's market cap around 2014?

the interview with the plant owner, manager or whatever is interesting in some ways

he thinks everything is going to be unmanned and drone controlled, which is probably a good bet the way things are going

>>64014957
russia annexed crimea?

>>64013496
God isn’t real though, it’s your coping mechanism because daily life would mindbreak you otherwise.

>>64008145
If they fired 700 shaheds at a single point all 700 could be shot down by just a handful of SPAAGs
They have to disperse them in order to get around Ukrainian air defences, which can't be everywhere at once but can shoot down an effectively infinite number of shaheds in the places where they are present

>>64009252
>>64009278
>>64009283
>>64009323
>>64009395
Using diplomatically influenced prices is pointless. Russia's customers were poor Thirdies who can't afford much. While Iran could set their own price because Russia was desperate. And all this is assuming the prices are even close to real and not just random figures released for the public.

>>64015392
It will feel like an eternity, but Ukies will eventually extrude and assemble their way to a complete perimeter against clunkers like Shahed.
For whatever plastic, metal, microchips and battery chems go into a Shahed, that much can go into many more of these Stings.
Wild Hornets drone battalion made these up, and are bulking out shelves with them for about a month now. They'll probably get a big share of Germoney's drone fund.

>>64015343
And how would that delete 50 billions off it so cleanly?
They barely get sanctioned and Europe was still happily buying gas.
Also their market cap skyrocketed back to 100 bil when the 3-day special needs war begun lol

>>64015416
Personally I don't think that's the cheapest, most effective interveptor drone we are gonna see out of Ukraine this war.
Its nothing more than a hunch, but something about the shape of that drone just doesn't say "final form" to me

>>64008523
Nosey!

>>64015424
Western investors pulled out, thats where the 50 billion went

>>64015436
Did this actually happen or are you spitballing?

>>64013492
Another useful and on topic post from our local pidorstanian clown
How's the potato prices comrade?

>>64015439
I'm spitballing, but I'd be willing to bet money on that being what actually happened

>>64015466
I don't know, I think there was something more going on

After a cursory search I'm inclined to believe that the main factor was Putin cancelling the south stream pipeline. Gazprom started pivoting towards China and away from Europe in the midst of political uncertainty and EU antitrust ruling. And this whole chain of events arose from gazprom's financial troubles which were made worse by the relatively mild EU sanctions at the time.

>>64011294
>Literally every missile got shot down.
probably more interceptors got delivered

>>64015536
They have interceptor drones for Gerans and interceptor missiles for missiles.
I assume you mean the latter and yeah, it's possible a boat-load of NAASMS or something were delivered.

>>64014372
The price at a specific point in time isn't just the current state of the company, but future expectations of things.
1. Before 2014 the profits and scale of operation only grew for more than a decade. More pipelines were built, more contracts made, price increased year after year, gas extraction grew year after year, new gas extraction platforms were built and launched, export volumes grew. They planned to build more than a dozen of new export pipelines, with multiple pipes going into China, pipes in India, Turkey, pipes into Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia, etc. All with long-term insane export levels. Sky was the limit for Gazprom.
2. On top of that, the consensus in russia was that oil prices would keep going up in the same way they did during 2000-2010. $250 per barrel of oil was something they expected before 2020. Why oil? Because most of their long-term natural gas contracts had price formulas which made the price dynamic and the biggest component was the price of oil, i.e. the price of natural gas was a derivative of the oil prices.
3. Thus, the expectations were pic related: capitalization of more than a trillion USD was expected by 2015-2016.

>>64007909 (OP)
If the Chinese quit pretending not to support Russia it can be done, and quickly. Hell, China can just build the whole drone. They're already making 90% of the parts.

>>64008043
lmao post the link

>>64015570
China is probably not going to do that unless they actually decide to invade Taiwan. Then the bets are off, though then they would probably need those drones by themselves.

>>64015570
china already built their own version a couple of years ago; sunflower 200.

>>64015713
>Then the bets are off, though then they would probably need those drones by themselves
It might be worth their while to sacrifice their own drone capabilities (beyond a certain minimum) in order to keep Russia in the fight in the west.

Send drones west and their armies east and try to split the west.

>>64015713
>Then the bets are off, though then they would probably need those drones by themselves
It might be worth their while to sacrifice their own drone capabilities (beyond a certain minimum) in order to keep Russia in the fight in the west.

Send drones west and their armies east and try to split NATO & friends.

>>64007986
>I'd wager the bullshit ones they send out are 10-50k in costs but the only ones that are going to have any chance of doing damage cost well over that due to the electronics needed.

Its filled with chinese made civilian electronics and not american military contractor supplied electronics. It means that it costs next to nothing.

>>64015713
They're already doing it. All of the engines, avionics, the fuel tank, everything but the payload comes from China.

>>64015728
that doesn't mean much when almost everything everywhere comes from china.

them sending their own is when it's direct support: putting the pieces together still takes a decent amount of work hours. getting the whole thing delivered in an entirely different matter.

>>64015728
They localized the engines and are making it from scratch using aluminum ingots and machining the metal.
The avionics is 'localized', most boards are made and soldered in russia, except maybe some new GLONASS antennas. If they can maintain the imports to basic components it's impossible to control except for a few high-end chips.
Idk about the fuel pumps and fuel brass parts, iranians were using simple parts imported from Europe or SEA.
The carbon fiber could come from china but they already had a local production line for their aeronautical industry.
As usual their problem is the electronic but they reduced the foreign involvement to individual chips without specialized purpose.

>>64009323
>That was before they started adding extremely expensive 12-16 channel CRPA antennas, increasing payload cost, adding cameras, SIM-readers, NVIDIA GPUs.

Sim reader = $10 4G modem. Nvidia GPU (really?). No. Some cellphone qualcomm GPU sourced from China at $50. Camera sensor = $5-50.

Things are "extremely expensive" in America because they are produced overseas and american companies gouge their customers for as much as they can (its called "pricing power"), particulary if it is the government, well that pricing model does not necessarily exist everywhere else. If you are going to project your americanism on the rest of the world you will constantly be wrong.

>>64015773
>Nvidia GPU (really?). No. Some cellphone qualcomm GPU sourced from China at $50.
My brown friend, they are literally using Nvidia Jetson modules, because they can do CUDA shit for better OpenCV calculations. A generic chink phone SoC can't do that.

>>64015773
>If you are going to project your americanism on the rest of the world you will constantly be wrong
Anon isn't projecting, they're repeating reported facts.

You're guessing and also projecting your guessing onto anon and assuming they must be doing the same as you but worse.

>>64015773
people have been posting details of those drones and the price tag of each component (ignoring the huge cost of turning individual chips into a drone) since 2022
You and you bait can fuck off to 2022.

>>64015773
I like how you ignored the
>12-16 channel CRPA antennas
which is impossible to do for less than at least $25K, proving you are a shill arguing in bad faith

>>64015783
>>64015795
>>64015801

Wow three instant shill answers to a post posted at 05.41 eastern american seaborder time. Hows the weather in Florida, Eglin?

BTW, a low end Nvidia laptop GPU is $150-200. Computer vision is nothing but applied linear algebra, and the russians possess enough software competence to eventually develop their own libraries. And a generic chink phone SOC can do that, provided it has the software.

>>64015844
This is the IMU of the shahed, is it cHeAP bro?
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Analog-Devices/ADIS16488BMLZ
fuck off troll

>>64015832
>which is impossible to do for less than at least $25K, proving you are a shill arguing in bad faith

Impossible in America. This is a recurring thing with americans, if it is impossible in America, it cannot be done somewhere else.

>>64015844
you're the one claiming that pidorstan has any sort of parts production, how's the weather in Moscow, private?

>>64015849
>https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Analog-Devices/ADIS16488BMLZ

You went out of the way to find the highest possible price from an instant delivery retailer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/297355339849

Here it is for $1500 from Ebay. The problem with you amerimutts is that you assume the Other Guy uses the same price gouging graft system as your military industrial complex does. It is better to assume that the enemy is competent than assume that he is incompetent and then get surprised when he does not fold in the next two weeks as he has been predicted to do since february 2022.

Or to take a more recent event, when Iran spammed more missiles at Israel than was thought possible by the combined US military intelligence complex because they used amerimutt prices for iranian missiles and thought they costed $20-50 millions apiece. This historical pattern of constantly underestimating enemies does not bode well for a China-America confrontation.

>>64015878
Ivan talking about graft and underestimating enemies — that's comedy gold. Or wait, is that chang threatening the U.S. with war? Either way, the delusion is impressive. Stay strong, your country might need volunteers soon and retards like you are the perfect candidates.

>>64015878
>You went out of the way to find the highest possible price from an instant delivery retailer.
Mouser and Digikey are the first places you would search. Wanna do a ebay gamble? ok, irrelevant if you read your retarded post talking about "$15, $20 that".


>The problem with you amerimutts is that you assume the Other Guy uses the same price gouging graft system as your military industrial complex does.
Retard kun, if IRANIANS were smuggling those IMUs using front companies it's because their own gyroscopes V9 and V10 weren't better or cheaper. They had an alternative but instead of keep using them they chose to pay "gouged prices" and smuggle them, not one but several thousands of those...

>>64015878
>Let me source my strategic weapons from ebay
bravo

>>64015844
>Eglin
Oh its that engels guy projecting again lol

>>64007909 (OP)
They already make 1,000 a day.
Thats insane.

>>64016465
No they don't, norks might but they don't

>>64013370
>day 1000+ of the 3-day special military operation
>russia blows around $50 million per day to blow up random houses and parking lots in kyiv suburbs

>>64016465
They're not.
If they did, Ukraine would be getting attacked by 1000 every day.

>>64016495
or with 800-900 every day with the occasional overwhelmingly large attack of 2000+ at once or something, instead the biggest shasneed attack we ever had was 728 pieces a few days ago

>>64008043
>Iran sold them for 250k a piece in equivalent Sukhoi jets.
Arabs truly are retarded beyond comprehension, no wonder jews run loops around them.

>>64007909 (OP)
They have a 2% unemployment rate, with the MoD competing for the very same meat. They simply don't have the production capacity, so unless they subcontract China or implement some for of automation, it's never happening. Forget about costs, there are not enough hands on deck.

>>64009757
I've thought about this as well. You can put them around point targets in such a way that the drone cannot at most flight profiles dive into the structure given the net is there, if the building has a small enough footprint.
Also instead of a steel or nylon have a sensitive explosive, like detcord.

Finally, the nets don't have to be where the ordnance is headed, it can be deployed anywhere along the ingress route and 3-4 guys in pickups could loft several in different areas quickly as warned by radar. If they switch to higher altitude, then you switch to individual weather balloons lifting frag mines like a claymore that triggers off an acoustical signal passively, almost like a sea mine or naval mine but in the air

>>64007967
>Noooo you have to care

They are subcontracting to the Norks now and if Iran can make the engines the Norks sure as hell can, be interesting to see the price break down for their version.

>>64017001
>cares enough to post 3 days later

>>64009060
>They have plenty 'sovereign goods' to sell (commercial rights, resources exploitation rights, expropriating and selling private property, land).
Literally nobody in their sane mind would consider assets with that level of risk. Not only can they be hit with secondary or tertiary sanctions, their investment capital can be frozen or expropriated by Russia on a whim. A Russia that has such decrepit infrastructure that you have to make the calculus of said assets even being worth the investment regardless of all the risks attached to them.
>Check the economic history of Argentina
As an Argentine, I can confidently say that such only leads to a dysfunctional, impoverished state with levels of income inequality that are hard to conceptualize, with public services and public works wholly collapsed and enterprises and businesses closing or fleeing the country daily. Even with austerity measures our economy is still hemorrhaging itself white and will never recover. Foreign investment will never come, because our credit history is downright criminal and our business practices are atrocious. The same applies to Russia. The only thing they can hope is to get swindled by the Chinese, like us.

>>64007961
I mean the cost has to come down at 10000 a day (Which is a very, very hypothetical number at this point).
But even at say 20000 bucks a pop that's still 200.000.000$ a day.

>>64015424
>Also their market cap skyrocketed back to 100 bil when the 3-day special needs war begun lol
They did pull a sneaky one there.
>buy up European gas storage
>start a war
>storages are empty, oopsie
>also the price has gone up
Well and then the storages got nationalized and the market started drying up, but they had a good few weeks before execs started falling out of windows.

>>64007909 (OP)
>you can’t kill civilians!!1!
>the civilians:
Ukraine needs to start beheading Russians

>>64017384
They could have had such a bright future.
If only monke wasn't so hell-bent on banan.

I want russian people to prosper and live well, in peace.
But sadly the whole idea seems to be offensive to them.

>>64017403
>behead Moskals
I have a video of thr one time a guy said "Slava Ukraina!" after he sawed the front third of a captive's neck.
Dark building near a stairwell.
Victim was old guy.
Could be perfidy, I dunno.

>>64017403
>Ukraine needs to start beheading Russians
That is disgusting. How can someone be alive in 2025 and show this kind of moderation?! Impalement or burning alive at a minimum.

>>64016465
>They already make 1,000 a day.
I'm the anon that thought there would be 1k this week but it doesn't seem to be happening.
426 on Monday, the nights before were like 60-70.
It seems like even 500 is something they have to save up for, for days.

>>64015727
So its worthless and can't travel the distance required

>>64017403
>Ukraine needs to start beheading Russians
NO.
What they need to do is hit the nuclear reprocessing facilities. Mayak, Tomsk, or Zheleznogorsk.
Go all in. Double or fucking nothing.

>>64017403
Worthless as ziggers might be, they can still be swapped for POWs and they end up being killed by their own for surrendering in the first place.

>>64008023
Have they actually hit any military target, like ever since they started using them? Or just random commie blocks?

>>64007909 (OP)
>When will Russian Shahed/Geran production reach to a level to sustain 10.000+ launches per day? How would It affect the current war of It when It happens?
not that sad little russian state propaganda video about their weedwhacker motor two stroke assembly? These things are not accurate enough to have any military significance and they fire waves of hundreds of thema nd kill a couple of civilians

Russia is a land of retards and has lost this war. Even sadder they needed Iranians to explain 1940s tech to them (they never mention that in your kremlin propaganda video)

Muh wuderfafen is a V1 doodlebug. Heard that from a dicator before. Its not even as advanced as a 1944 doodlebug

humm

22.07.2025
Tanks — 11038 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle — 23035 (+7)
Artillery systems — 30680 (+43)
MLRS — 1445 (+1)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1199
Planes — 421
Helicopters — 340
UAV — 47437 (+256)
Cruise missiles — 3533 (+18)
Ships (boats) — 28
Submarines — 1
Cars and cisterns — 55953 (+94)
Special equipment — 3935 (+1)
Military personnel — aprx. 1044250 people (+1090)

>>64018823
>Military personnel — aprx. 1044250 people (+1090)

The announcement came from the Ural Chambers of Commerce and Industry, which revealed plans to bring in one million Indian laborers to fill vacancies left by Russians sent to the front. These workers are not being hired for skilled industry or reconstruction, but keep everyday systems running, a signal that Russia’s domestic labor pool has been gutted by conscription. Framing this as a commercial initiative barely conceals its real function: covering for the massive depletion of able-bodied workers across the country.

The impact was immediate, and while state media largely ignored the news, regional outlets and officials confirmed it quietly, and the announcement circulated widely on military-focused channels.

>>64018823
>Military personnel — aprx. 1044250 people (+1090)
Pavel Gubarev, a former official of the self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic, publicly admitted that Russia has suffered over one million killed, wounded, or missing in just three and a half years. A million is not a small number, he said, a statement all the more notable because it came not through official channels, but during an informal interview that quickly spread online. No Kremlin spokesperson has confirmed the figure, but Gubarev’s words offered a rare breach in the wall of censorship and illustrated how deeply the toll has cut into Russian society.

>>64018832
>plans to bring in one million Indian laborers to fill vacancies left by Russians sent to the front

>>64017403
>beheading Russians
that would too humane IMO, just cut their legs and return them back into russia

>>64018835
>suffered over one million killed, wounded, or missing in just three and a half years
Actually he said dead.
The million casualties is a public figure, the million deaths is what made his statement shocking.

>>64018771
>Have they actually hit any military target, like ever since they started using them?
They managed to burn down a building where volunteers made camo nets the other night, that probably counts.

>>64019975
>million deaths
wew
no wonder they classified the statistics about Russian cripples and invalids across the zigeria

>10k launches per day
Unlikely. 1k for a single run is plausible by the end of the year, but I doubt they will be capable of sustaining it daily.
Nevertheless, it's worthwhile to remember that the volume of aggregate volume explosives these Shaheds deliver, in combination with a couple of missiles here and there, is about 2-3% of what the RAF dropped on Nazi Germany in WWII.
If Russia doubles their production, congrats - it's 5% of bombing raids from one air force from 1944.

Shahed raids are a spectacle meant for propaganda victories at home, hence kokokoing about a gazillion NATO generals. These shahed raids are not for serious and sustained damage to the Ukrainian war effort. They would need to drop a large amount of volume for that which they don't have the manufacturing capability to support - nor air superiority to achieve.

>>64007961
>between 100k and 177k USD
A-it doesn't cost that anymore
B-economies of the scale mean the price gets lower

>>64008514
>but russia somehow still does and clearly is (mostly) constrained by things other than budget in this war
because Elvira Nabiullina is a fucking economic genius

she's 90% of the reason Russian state finances and economy haven't collapsed yet (and won't, at the very least for a few months)
and surprisingly one of the few people regularly Putin listens to

>>64012499
didn't knew Gerans / Shaheds were launched by cars
pretty cool

when I was developing drones
our experimental start ramp was like 7mil€ (admittedly in Germany and ~2mil was just for the land and regulatory stuff)
and was stationary
but installed, transported and "rolled out" from a regular Zetros truck

>>64020078
It's not that genius to burn through your reserves, isolate yourself from the world economy, and rapidly deplete your natural resources whilst falling behind in technological advancements for a slice of bombed out Ukraine.
I mean if you want to call her a genius for not letting the banking system implode from the strain, fair enough. But the debt crisis has been simmering away and is only alleviated by evermore repo auctions and government bailouts.

>>64020078
>because Elvira Nabiullina is a fucking economic genius
>For years I have heard that Nebulina is a magician

>>64009757
Ukraine has Swedish AWACS now, hugging the ground is no longer a reliable way to avoid detection. Gerans also gain altitude before their target and strike in a dive.
Interceptor drones and regular fighters and helicopters are almost certainly the correct way to deal with them. Israel got hit once by a Shahed during their recent war with Iran, hundreds were shot down with regular guns on helis and planes.

>>64020078
>Nebulina is a FUCKING HELLA POGGERS TENSAI GENIUS
ahhh ziggers... they will fellate themselves all the way to the very bottom of their poop-vat

>>64020099
>isolate yourself from the world economy
>whilst falling behind in technological advancements for a slice of bombed out Ukraine
i mean she has no / little responsibility for this directly
that's monkee faults

>if you want to call her a genius for not letting the banking system implode
yeah that's exactly what I was implying

>not that genius to burn through your reserves
it's not that simple
she reacted quickly in 2022, knew that the interest rate hike to 20% would help and not cripple the economy, introduced more strict capital controls
and basically started a closed economic loop for major parts of the economy within weeks
she basically made SPFS / Mir mandatory and shifted reserves to rupees and rmb

only this year she started warning of overheating

it's not that any single measure was extremely complex (except some regulatory papers)
but the combination of the measures, the fact that it worked
and that she already saved the Russian economy in 2014

>debt crisis has been simmering away
debatable
it's majority not foreign owned debt
resolving it, merely a question of political will and deciding on who you want to hurt the most
alternatively, it doesn't matter, high inflation hurts the Russian economy (in it's current state) comparatively little

>>64007959
it’s a form of delusional warfare. years of bombing and no real success past the occasional telegram xaxaxa. please continue hitting some kids exterior wall instead of real targets so we can keep watching TZD because honestly its hilarious.

>>64009060
You're being deliberately obtuse. There's a gulf of difference between keeping a dysfunctional economy going via raping your landscape for commodity sales versus affording the most expensive war in modern history for more than a few years and with minimal help from allies.

>>64014372
lol that pre-Crimea market value. putin is such a retarded cold war boomer. did it never occur to him that he could make russia rich, become the third of the big powers in Europe next to France and Germany, and then influence geopolitics from that position? Nah, the USSR has to be reborn NOW

Ze Englander is about to be finished. Ve vill soon reach ein thousand V-2s per Tag, at 20 reichsmark per piece!

>>64020127
>shifted reserves to rupees and rmb
that doesn't really help Russia, as neither currency is traided outside of theri respective countries. It's al literal company-store style corousel.

>>64020127
>i mean she has no / little responsibility for this directly
The bank does have the ability to open up Russia's market more actually. They could make the ruble float more freely and allow citizens and businesses to sell up and move out, giving the ruble a more accurate value. Right now the value of the ruble is very highly controlled by the central bank which isn't natural.
Shifting reserves to unpopular and more volatile currencies is a poisoned chalice. It does remove the ability for the West to sanction you which is good, but they're not kept as reserves for good reason.
>it's majority not foreign owned debt
Doesn't matter. Banks are at their regulatory limit for lending and in May this year the central bank did away with capital reserves for restructuring loans for the first time ever. Bear in mind that the need to restructure loans occurs when the debtor is technically bankrupt - and the numbers of people and companies who are restructuring their loans are soaring. That is a clear sign that the banking system is already falling apart.

>>64020133
they hit multiple important strategic targets with them. you see factories, airfields, munitions depots, military and government facilities, power stations, and all the usual. they also use them on tactical targets.

there's countless examples of the above filmed.

>>64020167
without the us, the commonwealth would have lost in europe and the pacific, so...yeah.

>>64020257
>they hit multiple important strategic targets with them
They don't. They do this with missiles.

>>64019999
checked and creaked.
imagine hundreds of thousands of pic related littering the russian city streets.
something like this happened after WW2 when several millions of the so called "stalin's samovars" were all over the place in post-war soviet union, ruining the slowly reconstructed cityscapes that were supposed to be optimistic and forward-looking.
the authorities eventually packed them all up and sent them away to remote sanatoriums in northern russia, basically to their deaths lol.
i wonder if modern puccia had the guts to do something like that to their modern heroes

>>64020140
it's physically impossible for them to act in any other way than to do this over and over
>grug bonk neighbor and enslave him
>then send new slave towards next neighbor

>>64020099
>It's not that genius to burn through your reserves, isolate yourself from the world economy, and rapidly deplete your natural resources whilst falling behind in technological advancements for a slice of bombed out Ukraine.
The genius who decided to do all that was motivated by banan.

Elvira, being a clever woman, attempted to resign the instant she found out war had been declared. Le monke refused her resignation and ordered her to stay in her seat and wipe his arse for him.

>I mean if you want to call her a genius for not letting the banking system implode from the strain, fair enough.
I'm sure anon is only talking about that, she has nothing to do with anything else.
She does the best she can to keep the cash flowing, spending it is other people's jobs.

>But the debt crisis has been simmering away and is only alleviated by evermore repo auctions and government bailouts.
She's said many times that there's only so much she can do and things will get progressively worse.

>>64020126
Grow up, fraudulent strawman quotes don't make you clever, they make you juvenile.
Anon didn't say anything like you're suggesting.
If this is the standard of your posting, please try /pol/, it will be more your speed.
If you want to stay on /k/, be smarter, be more mature.
We're more interested in scholarly discussions of weapons and war rather than political point scoring.

>>64007909 (OP)
>2021
>"If Russia attacks, it's going to be a tidal wave of Armatas, thousands of other tanks, mass VDV airdrops, Su-35 fighter sweep of a few hundred planes, columns of IFV's and APC's moving hundreds of thousands of troops, attack helicopters picking of enemy armor, mass self-propelled artillery, rocket and mortar barrages, cruise missile spam, mass spetsnaz raids, nuclear submarine stealth attack, Kuznetsov launching sorties, mass mechanized infantry being attacks supported by a fuckload of CAS, interdictors, attack helicopters, plus the occasional secret weapon, like space weapons, hypersonic missiles and tsunami torpedoes "
>2025
>Russian attacks consist of 5-15 man suicide assaults on foot, and spamming vergeltungswaffe RC-planes with smuggled consumer electronics
Not even Germany in early 1945 was this grim.

>>64007961
Costs ~$40-80K according to analysis, prob $60K is realistic. They produce ~5000 a month right now. Or slightly under 200 unit a day.

Russia doesnt have the capacity to produce 10K a day or 10K a week. Maybe they can do 10K a month, if they really push the current limit.

>>64020204
>Right now the value of the ruble is very highly controlled by the central bank which isn't natural
It's pretty natural for autocratic non-free countries, particularly ones concerned about capital flight because their citizens GTFO whenever they have both marketable skills to start a new life and cash to start over in a new country.
They can't have an economy if they keep everyone stupid and uneducated, so they have to control access to foreign currency and what they can do with domestic currency.
Controlling exchange rates just flows naturally from that position.

>>64020788
1945 Germany wasn’t winning, Russia is.

>>64020809
>we've been winning non-stop for three years now.
Ah yes, the Shepard-tone of victories.

Pic related. This is what winning looks like.

>>64020820
Ok, when will Ukraine get its land back?

>>64020824
Once Prigo busts out of the "gate towards the west" Artemovsk, while General Agamemnon leads a pincer attack towards the north from the Eternal Russian City Kherson, and Keev falls on the third day, as the liberators roll into the city flanked by celebrating civilians.

>>64020831
So never?

>>64018832
How long do you think it'll be until that wave of jeets finds themselves clutching rusty mosins in the trenches?

>>64020824
>Ok, when will Ukraine get its land back?
They recaptured a village this week, without losing any I believe.

>>64020846
>How long do you think it'll be until that wave of jeets finds themselves clutching rusty mosins in the trenches?
It was only the DPR natives that got the rusty nuggets.
The jeets will get AKs and as for when, shortly after they lay hands on a blonde russian woman, so about as soon as they are let out of the work camp unsupervised.

>>64020840
>nafotranny cope
Russia is gaining ground every day, we're winning. General Apocalypse will fix it all, and then everything will be understood.

>>64020871
Lol. I guess that’s something.
>>64020879
Stop crying.

>>64020824
>when will Ukraine get its land back?
Once the front line goes 1917 (along with the entire russian federation, kek). Thanks to monke the native luhansk and donbass russians are considered Extinct In The Wild by now, so once all the mobiks flee back home, there'll be no one left.

>>64020824
About that...

>>64013487
It's an Iranian built Chinese copy of a German engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbach_L550E

>>64020887
Any day now.
Btw that anon who posts the casualties used to have a segment for how Russia WILL inevitably collapse in 2025 in his pasta. Must be postponed until further notice or maybe he just forgot.

>>64020886
>Lol. I guess that’s something.
I mean, I'm not pretending it's not a stalemate.
Ukraine is playing a waiting game, cooperating with US forced peace negotiations, letting Russia shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly and letting the Russian economy degrade more and more with their assaults weaker and weaker.

There's got to be a point sometime where Russia can no longer effectively defend the front either.

>>64008410
Government deficit for January-May alone was 1.5% of GDP

June 10 (Reuters) - Russia ran a budget deficit of 3.4 trillion roubles ($43.3 billion), or 1.5% of gross domestic product, for the first five months of the year, the finance ministry said on Tuesday, citing preliminary data. The budget shortfall was almost five times as wide as in the same period of 2024, when Russia ran a deficit of 730.4 billion roubles, or 0.4% of GDP.

>>64018843
>break stuff
>steal things
They'll integrate into the russian workforce seamlessly. They just need to be taught how to play the numbers and some corruption schemes to bring them up to standard.

>>64020909
I, too, wish for TZD to never end.
But we must remember our mortality.

Day 1246

This just in.
There's a claim by a Ukrainian blogger that one of the Ukrainian interceptor drones is actually a reusable bomber that releases a submunition that may or may not be an FPV itself.

I've seen two versions of the video and one didn't include the claim so even I as the poster are saying this could well be a Ukrainian grifter-lite huffing copium or posting clickbait.

>>64007987
>GNSS and INS systems are really expensive
Kometa-M receivers are done from off the shelf components and optimized for cost, there's nothing special inside
I shit you not the most expensive BOM item is probably custom CNC milled box
tactical grade INS (10nmi/h) to bridge the gaps around GPS jamming stations doesn't have to be expensive, they're not using the same thing as in cruise missiles
the enigne is less than 20k
even the most complex variants were estimated to cost 100-200k in total

>>64020909
>collapse in 2025
They can't have much more left than 2025 unless they suddenly become exponentially better at dodging sanctions or something else changes in a major way.
How's russia's sovereign wealth fund doing?

>>64026181
In fact the first variant was ~$50k as marginal cost for the company. The price tag was considerable higher though, $165k because the company also needs to pay the fixed cost of operation, investment, etc, all the overhead to create, maintain and justify that production line instead of something different. (small print: And that probably ignores a lot of taxes because Alabuga is an SEZ.)
Another matter is the cost for licensing, if it was fully paid or is still being paid per unit built, if the government paid for it directly or as part of the price tag to Alabuga... kinda a waste of time to think about that because a government can 'play' with obligations-debs and accounting figures to hide the economic burden of any project related to the war.
>I intended to write a longer post (actually I did it) but I prefer something short. Ukrainians publish the part number of every single part they can identify, you can estimate parts cost with that, obviously turning crates full of IC reels into real modules adds a lot of $$$$$ but at least it would give you a more substantial basis for the topic unlike the vague discussion that are the norm on /k/.

>>64025926
>There's a claim by a Ukrainian blogger that one of the Ukrainian interceptor drones is actually a reusable bomber
This video has gotten slightly wider distribution but I still don't rule out that it's a psyop or just hopium.

The economics of reusable interceptors vs shaheds/gerans is obvious.

>>64020078
>fucking economic genius
>burns through national wealth fund
>forces banks to give subsidized loans with rates of less than refinancing rate (basically robbing the banking system)
>kills any civilian economy with fuck you loan rates
ah yes, fucking economic genius

>>64027864
Well, it has kept the export based shithole going during the sanctions without collapsing, at least for now.
Obviously it will just collapse them even harder when nabbie runs out of tricks, at which point we will see if she actually was intelligent enough to prepaire an escape route from russia before getting free flying lessons

>>64027879
>without collapsing
Define collapsing lol.
Their heirloom "national auto-maker" AvtoVAZ (the maker of Lada shitboxes) whines about moving factory staff to 4 day weeks because nobody buys their shit.
The whole coal industry is dead in the water.
Retail is getting fucked six ways to sunday.

>>64009323
afaik the expensive electronics are not present on every geran
>>64027828
>>64025926
meanwhile in reality, gerans are extremely difficult to intercept with drones because they fly high, fly fast and usually just fly to their target rather than loitering like recon drones do. ukraine did down a handful but it's not something that they can do consistently.
>>64027887
>Their heirloom "national auto-maker" AvtoVAZ (the maker of Lada shitboxes) whines about moving factory staff to 4 day weeks because nobody buys their shit.
nobody ever cared about russian cars in the first place so it does not matter.
>The whole coal industry is dead in the water.
meanwhile russia's oil and gas industry is doing okay (not great but not terribly either) and rosatom is still the dominant player in nuclear energy. (rosatom is so powerful that they make sure to exclude it from sanctions geg)

>>64027864
>ah yes, fucking economic genius
We don't think she's a genius for saving their economy, she hasn't and she knows it and says so about as directly as she can (which is very indirect obviously).
We say she's a genius because she's landing a plane that's a flaming wreck and should have already collapsed but she's had it on life support.

She's keeping a headless, limbless torso alive with life-support in the hope they can get a brain donor and skull transplant before it dies.
It's legitimately requires some genius to do what she's done.
Anything less and the patient would already be dead.

>>64027864
She's just doing what she can to delay the window suicide

>>64027879
>see if she actually was intelligent enough to prepaire an escape route
She's 61 and her husband is older, escape is sort of optional for her.
She has a 37yo son who could have a family of his own, that's who she'd need to have escape and possibly the hostage to keep her working.

>>64027909
>nobody ever cared about russian cars in the first place so it does not matter.
My brown friend, the whole modern history of russia (~35 years) is about breaking the backs of people and society at large to prop up and save that automaker. They are literally forcing people to overpay for cars more than 2x to prop up that soviet hell spawn of an automotive plant and it still is in the process of dying, because the local civilian economy is deeply fucked.

>>64027909
>afaik the expensive electronics are not present on every geran
They're present in every Shahed, it just that some shaheds (mainly kupol?) have even more electronic modules like cameras or more complex antennas (earlier than others).
You're thinking about the "decoys" like Parody (Idk if that even worked) but mostly the Gerbera that comes in 3 flavors:
1. Attack with a small warhead
2. Decoy, although with the drone waves it's more about attrition than decoying like shaheds, that would explain 1 too.
3. Relay/comm drones
iirc, only one of them has some of the same parts of the 'expensive' electronic of the shahed, like the 4ch antenna, that doesn't means it has all the functionality or it's as resilient to jamming.

They also use partial avionics (or something close enough) of the shahed in their UMPK kits.

>>64027948
>breaking the backs of people and society at large to prop up and save that automaker
nigger wtf are you smoking? Why would Russia revolve around autoVAZ when it has much larger and more relevant state enterprises that it could revolve around instead? (e.g. rosatom, almaz-antey or the UAC)
>They are literally forcing people to overpay for cars more than 2x
If you’re talking about protectionist tariffs or something, that’s not a uniquely Russian phenomenon. Hell we had tarrifs on imported pickup trucks even before the cheeto pedo