I genuinely would like to hear your opinion on forced reset triggers/ super safeties.
https://strawpoll.com/PKgleJ6OQZp

>>64012197 (OP)
haha gun go brrrrrt

>>64012197 (OP)
Full auto (yes, I know) is a meme up until it suddenly isn't and then it makes a world of difference
>Oh shit there's a nog in my house chimping out and he really needs to die right fucking now or else my wife and kids are gonna die
Stuff like that

>>64012197 (OP)
They are both a fun toy and a useful tool

Rare breed sucks fat cock though

>>64012197 (OP)
God I really want one of these to put in an MG-42
>>64014607
Whats going on with Rare Breed? I've only been able to find them making the triggers

>>64012197 (OP)
I hate that we have to settle for great value(tm) machine guns. I just wish they’d start churning these out for PCCs (the cuck term for a neutered SMG).

Also I don’t see the current status quo holding forever. These things are functionally full auto. Something will change, for better or for worse.

>>64014898
They brokered a deal with the ATF. IIRC they're allowed to continue making and selling FRTs under the conditions that they never develop one for handguns and enforce a monopoly on the design
>>64014919
There's MP5 ones right now as well as AR-9s, luv me AR-9. As for the second part, personally I'm fine if we keep this current status quo and they slowly become a normal thing you can buy at any store just like what AR pistols did to SBR laws. I know that's not happening but a man can dream, no? I just hope there's not gonna be a change in decision

>>64015820
Government sanctioned monopolies are a thing in the USA?

>>64016182
They aren't supposed to be, but they do be. Its why we dont get tax bills but gotta go pay the turbotax man if you want to have some protection from the irs.

>>64016182
Yes, it's called a patent, retard.

>>64016273
Well specifically, as I've heard it, Rare Breed is legally obligated to take any and all other FRTs on the market to court. They have to enforce their patent or break the agreement they made with the ATF. Then again I have no clue how they're supposed to enforce that rule, especially if RBT goes bankrupt from all the lawfare

Fun, and in maybe a few miche cases practical. I mainly want one for my m72 to waste ammo at the range.

>>64016189
This is the danger if you don't formalize things that are actually useful to have in your society because you're ideologically opposed to their existence, you end up with some kind of shitty version of it with less features and safeguards.

Like the US not having a national ID system, so social security numbers get used as a de facto ID. Same thing with communist societies that tried to do away with money, people started using other things as currency, and then eventually they had to reintroduce money but call it something more palatable like ration credits or whatever.

>>64016683
They're legally obligated to attempt to enforce their patent which they were doing anyway. If a court says that the design in question is non-inffinging then there's nothing else they ned to do.

>>64016683
Rare Breed spent millions fighting the ATF to get that court ruling. I doubt they're legally obligated because that sounds like another dicking down by the courts but they sure as shit aren't going to let anyone make money off their design now. Not trying to defend them, they're shitheads for acting the way they are, but if you had to defend not only a patent but your entire business and asshole from federal prison you probably wouldn't be too keen on any retard that waited in the wings for things to shake out sticking his fingers in your pie either.

>>64016683
What's the actual sauce on this? Sounds extremely fishy to me, the ATF isn't going to let them have a pass on it being an MG just because they enforce the patent. If it isn't an MG then there's no leverage for that legally, and I cant even imagine how thoroughly unimpressed a judge is going to be with those sorts of shenanigans if the ATF ever tried to enforce it or went back on it.

>>64016182
That's what patents literally are. Limited time monopolies.

>>64017136
Google "legal settlement".

like most things in politics these days, the volatility isnt good for us in the long run. I'd rather give up FRTs and have the SC rule semi auto / mag bans unconstitutional instead of this, because all it takes is a democrat strongman to be elected next election cycle and ban all guns like they did in Canada.

>>64012197 (OP)
>>64015820
Umm correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Franklin Armory do something very similar or do they just buy rights to the license/patent or something?

>>64019114
They make binary triggers which are now obsolete in favor of FRTs and super safeties, just like bump stocks are.

>>64014919
If they become sufficiently widespread in use by law-abiding citizens, it could lay the groundwork for a future lawsuit to overturn the machine gun ban.

Buy. Proliferate them. Simple as that.

>>64017059
Who eats a pie with their hands? Is that part of the saying? Implying that the person eating your pie is like some retarded animal not only by way of them eating a pie that isn't there, but by doing so not with a fork and knife (loicensed hopefully) but rather with their hands?
Hmmm

>>64014898
Well semi converted mg42s use Ar15 FCGs so...

>>64012197 (OP)
I hate them because they didn't exist 5-10 years ago back when ammo was actually cheap. One mag of 5.56 is $12 right now. Who wants to burn through that just to magdump into trash? 9mm is half that, but still. Seems like the gimmick would get old after a few days.

>>64017450
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>>64021662
I'm having a blast shooting my mp5. While 9mm isn't as cheap as it used to be, it's still way cheaper than buying a 36k transferable trigger pack to get the same feeling.

>>64019531
That's the whole point of the saying. It's your pie, you don't want anyone else putting their dirty fucking dickbeaters in it and scooping out filling like a filtht animal.

>>64021665
I get it, and I agree personally. but if we applaud changes to gun law based on the executive branch acting stronger, won't the opposite happen if they get a democrat in there?

>>64021887
american politics has no room for your measured and thoughtful approach. We'll just keep being belligerent and idiotic and pass nonsense laws at each other maliciously while wasting billions in taxpayer money. It's easier this way, we don't have to think as much.

>>64021662
>Seems like the gimmick would get old after a few days.
Seems like the primary ones that complain about these things don't own one.

>>64021914
yeah well, it is true. we've gotten further with shock and awe campaigns than with measured compromised approaches. Here in CO, they tried to ban semi-autos and they ended up compromising with a state registry + training classes thanks to the gun groups pushing back hard, not with normal measured discourse. At the end of the day it is infringement but it is also a win to not have guns banned outright.

>>64021975
there's something to be said about how foolish it is to be rational in the face of the irrational.

>>64012197 (OP)
They're a small step forward in the pro-gun legal battle, but in terms of personal self-defense use they're a toy I'd never buy. An AR with good ammo doesn't need FA to be effective.

>>64021975
>and they ended up compromising with a state registry + training classes thanks to the gun groups pushing back hard, not with normal measured discourse.
Cope
>At the end of the day it is infringement but it is also a win to not have guns banned outright.
Cuck.
You cunts deserve it with that type of attitude. Now fuck on off and keep your parasitic defeatism acceptance with you.

>>64021887
>>64021975
If you give an inch, they take a mile. There should be no negotiation about the god given right to defend ourselves from all enemies foreign and domestic.

>>64012197 (OP)
Needing to know the group's general opinion on a thing because you have none is peak woman brain, faggot.

>>64021665
basically an empty slogan, dummy

>>64012197 (OP)
If you genuinely would like to hear our opinion you could just read it instead of posting a strawpoll you fucking retard.

>>64023038
I already have my opinion, which is that they're very fun and, if all goes well, will be to MGs what braces were to SBRs
>>64023175
But I love democracy and voting. I have several fake identities and disguises just so I can vote multiple times on election day. I'm not even doing it for a particular candidate or party, just voting for sheer love of voting. Also roll

>>64021668
I have POF-5, but I might wait for Rare Sneed to come out with their trigger pack so I can keep the original look and won't have to fuck around with buying another lower.

>>64012197 (OP)
Who are the faggots saying it will lead to more gun control?
>noooo don’t enjoy a win
I hate them so much

>>64024785
There are two camps I can envision. Either they recognize that grabbers will see FRTs and use it as proof that all semiautos are easily convertible to machine guns therefore they should be b& or they're defeatist queers that are always upset at everything and act like anything short of hanging every ATF agent is a failure

>>64014919
>These things are functionally full auto. Something will change, for better or for worse.
ATF losing against rare breed means they stick around. They don’t meet the existing legal definition of full auto. I completely agree with you it’s functionally full auto. However if the legal definition is changed, then ex post facto kicks in, and existing FRTs and SSs will need a grandfather clause. Which then opens up the door to Hughes being challenged and possibly repealed. If Hughes goes down than the entirety of the NFA can be challenged and likely only grenades and stuff like that stay “restricted NFA”.

No guarantee that happens but it’s a real risk. And I think it’s a risk the government won’t take they’ll let SSs and FRTs exist.

>>64012197 (OP)
it literally is just a machine gun, and that's a good thing
just because the legal wording says its not doesnt mean its so, it is completely indistinguishable to me from full auto, atleast in the way it performs

>>64021662
ranges that rent out full auto guns charge like $40 for each mag you shoot, ontop of like a $100 rental fee (usually comes with 1 mag though)
this is nothing
hopefully reliable frt .22s with decent sized mags will come some day though, i believe hoffman might be working on something

>>64024421
They make a 3d printable trigger pack that looks just like the original one

>>64026301
Not a machine gun.

>>64019152
Not obsolete.

Super safeties are the least organic meme I have seen, nobody cared about forced reset mechanisms before hoffman got his fingers on them

>>64012197 (OP)
Based, fun, cool. Fuck the ATF
>>64014919
You can put a super safety in an MP5
>>64016273
Was going to say exactly this, lol

>>64027466
> nobody cared about forced reset mechanisms before hoffman got his fingers on them
Because no one could get one before Hoffman made his, you retard

>>64027504
bet you are the one pumping these threads and your answer to anyone who does not agree with you is to just call everyone a retard. you aren't clever or original, you also think FRTs are ackshually full auto and not a very short pull trigger. the mechanism isnt full auto. it is cool, but its not full auto because I can literally pull through the short reset and create a no fire condition. feel free to post about this on your discord/matrix/whatever and bring the brigade on.

>>64027546
I cannot feel the reset at all. Neither can anyone else I have talked to that has shot both f/an and super safety. Cope and seethe. You should offload that registered lower sooner rather than later, anon.

>>64027546
>>64027581
Also
>I can act like a retard and cause my weapon to malfunction
Is not a flex.

>>64023175
Give me Elizabeth/Jillian/Cassie/Gabrielle/Tyler/Alyssa/Trashy

>>64023175
let's go katana

>>64023175
For me? it's always going to be Elizabeth.

>>64026313
With a Bore Buddy you can use super safeties with those CMMG 22lr at conversion kits. Haven't tried it myself but big if true.

>>64027466
>forced reset mechanisms before hoffman got his fingers on them
Wait you’re telling me no one cared about super safeties until they were invented? What a fucking shock.

Why do faggots who clearly don’t own these come in threads and try to shit on them? Or are you fat feds with the laziest demoralization campaign?

>>64027546
So you can purposely misuse it and make it fail? That’s an interesting brag.

>>64028289
No, he's saying that nobody cared about FRTs until an open source solution compatible with existing hardware came to light, which is both untrue and a deeply stupid thing to call inorganic for reasons that are too obvious for me to explain.

>>64019531
Is this a selector type frt?
I REALLY want one that works like this and fits into a stock SP5 lower

>>64028379
Closest they have rn as a cross bolt SS that fits in a 3d printed lower that looks identical to the stock mp5 lower

>>64028379
Yeah selector based forced reset trigger. Same basic mechanism as super safety, but minus the cross bolt super safety.
I also waiting anxiously for MP5 super safety that just drops into a factory trigger pack housing and has a lever based actuator.

>>64027546
>call everyone a retard
If it quacks like a retarded duck, it's probably retarded.

>>64028289
It's just a single or limited few people that come raiding every time there's mention of a frt or ss. The rage baits are getting humorous. So far majority of the retardation has been been:
>Without telling me why it's not a gimmick, why isn't this a gimmick?
And then
>I'm ex military so I'm a leet operator and know everything, explain it more to me on why I should care
Like anybody gives a shit about a retard and them being retarded zogbot.

>>64021662
You're not wrong, even 12 bucks for 50 is still pretty rough when you're pissing hundreds of rounds away in short order, makes me wish someone could cook up an FRT 22. But you're wrong about it getting old, going through a course of fire in semi or with short bursts and dumping the rest of the mag when you're done never gets old. Running forward while yelling banzai and hosing your target with lead before driving a bayonet into it is also very enjoyable, great way to integrate cardio into target practice