Thread 64017773

Oof

>>64017773 (OP)
>issue the M4 in place of the M18
do they not have M9s still laying around? also lmao @ siggers

>>64017773 (OP)
Good. I was wanting to buy another rattler. I hope sig fucks up publicly some more.

Do you have a single source or link to where you got this document, or is /k/ now just going to be full of fake happening bullshit since the mods have allowed it to become /pol/ Vol. 2?

>>64017773 (OP)
Lmao it just keeps getting worse for Sig. Any idea on what that mentioned technical order is? I wonder if it's just standard maintenance/inspection or might have some goodies as far as expected cause of the ADs go

>>64017773 (OP)
For those of you playing along at home, this is the fourth time a thread has been made about a kruschiki twitter post in the last two weeks.

>>64017804
NTA saw a report where some pilot got shot with one. Makes sense they'd hit the pause.

>>64017785
Bet the army already sold most of them to the state department and then are holding them to arm rebels in the next coup

No you will not be seeing military surplus m9s because fuck you we need to protect Israel

>>64017828
>couping a government with clapped the fuck out 9mm berettas

You are such an optimist

>>64017773 (OP)
https://www.warren.af.mil/News/Releases/Article/4251188/90th-missile-wing-confirms-on-base-airman-fatality/

>>64017852
Thanks. I live right up the road from there, so I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about this yet.

>>64017805
>>64017773 (OP)
https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/cheyenne_frontier_days/90th-missile-wing-confirms-death-on-base/article_4fad3617-40f1-4e08-8c61-195f84961676.html

Unironically over for SIG.

>>64017852
Sigger cope obliterated, oof

>>64017805
This is related to a fatal ND.

I genuinely don't know how or why you would defend SIG at the point.

>Killed an airman
Holy fuck siggers on literal suicide watch, they can't recover from this

>>64017852
supposedly the story behind this incident

>>64017898
>inb4 sig puts out a statement claiming he didn't have it holstered correctly

>>64017898
Jesus fuck, sig deserves this desu

>>64017773 (OP)
hopefully they'll go bankrupt and get bought up by the germans or swiss

So which of these guns is the military going to pick to replace this pile of fuck?

-Ruger RXM
-Echelon
-Glocks unannounced modular handgun


These are the only guns that actually meet the requirements the military put out. Beretta and glock ignored the military and submitted their retarded pistols anyway

>>64017773 (OP)
Sig will just pay more money to ease all the bad press. Kek, only hope IMO is a non-political commision to investigate and sue the shit out of SIG. Sig, Sergeant IS Gay.

Sigs are gonna be cheaper than scrap metal after this
total glock victory

Please god be the event that causes SIG to get assraped and Army procurement getting investigated for corruption

>>64017918
their requirements are retarded desu

>>64017773 (OP)
that's oy in the vey

>>64017919
At this point Sig's gonna be in the red for their contracts with all the money they're burning to bribe people into silence. They had to bribe their way in to begin with and now have to bribe their way into not being flayed alive.

>>64017812
>>64017852
>>64017877
lmfao retard

>>64017927
nah modular FCU is the future

>>64017931
Don't be too hard on him, being a sig shill in 2025 is punishment enough

>>64017923
God I hope so. M7 and 250 are abominations that set the infantry squad back 70 years.

handguns were always for fags. rifles only

>>64017934
that shit's gay m8

>>64017949
no its actually based and redpilled to be able to just put guns together like legos

>>64017939
the M250 is breddy gud but yeah the M7 is a clownshow

>>64017898
This wouldn't be happening if indignant siggers weren't just plopping their loaded firearms down facing themselves. It's beyond funny that this keeps happening. Even I put down my holstered, loaded guns facing in a safe direction and I carry a DA/SA gun.

>>64017918
the military should have just gotten the fucking Glock from the get-go.
TRVTH NVKE

>>64017939
250 is good though, 249 is an absolute piece of shit. I do agree that the M7 needs to go

>>64017959
Lol no. It's a bigger piece of shit than the rifle.

>>64017939
The general dynamics rifle should've won the NGSW rifle contract

>>64017971
practicing gun safety is not the same thing as expecting your gun to not go off by itself

sig should be blacklisted for this and a new competition held

>>64017916
>get bought up by the germans
Check out who owns sig sauer lol

I thought the Military M18 was safe because it had well, a safety, it so so Joever.

>>64017977
Why? I haven't heard much at all about the 250, havent heard anything bad, anyways (other than the retarded ammo).

>>64017973
the issue is that we have glock (better) now

>>64017918
HK, they been scooping a lot of contract before Nig recently

>>64017918
Hopefully we go back to 45ACP like God intended.

>>64017990
the ammo is retarded because SIG wanted to go around patents, the original 2 piece case is a full steel, allowing to handle higher pressure with ease while the SIG one the brass part tend to break in the chamber most of the time.
it's only time before the army look into it and boot SIG out for the ammo too

>>64017828
Um, weird crashout you got there. You ok there?

>>64018007
>USAF ask the USMC to lend some M45 MEU handguns
god, imagine the shitshow

we should issue nukes. quit being a pussy trump u faggot

>>64017785
all the AF m9s have probably been dermo’d but there’s probably a few still lying around hidden somewhere
this shit was when my squadron got our m18s and one dudes extractor blew off mid qual session

>>64017918
None, it should eliminate handguns entirely.

The number of officers alone who only carry a sidearm equals several divisions of wasted combat potential simply because they have no combat effective small arm. That is not even getting into the wasted money due to handguns causing more friendly losses than they cause the enemy.

>>64017918
They should have picked up the M&P2.0 desu.

US manufactured Glock would be alright I guess, but the M&P is superior in many ways.

DoD small arms procurement is terminally retarded in so many ways. The history of their missteps is absurd.

>>64018010
God I hope so. Maybe General Dynamics will get another chance (unlikely), or maybe we will see something simpler such as converting preexisting 240's to 6.8 and a safer rifle option. Why move away from what works in exchange for something objectively shittier?

>>64018025
do you understand that carrying a pistol on your hip is easier than carrying a rifle and this is why they still do it

>>64018036
Why did we replace the 1911? If an officer isn't meant to see the front, why replace something already ubiquitous and adequate for a wonder 9? .45 would work fine for self defence in the situation where an officer actually needs a gun.

>>64018035
>Why move away from what works in exchange for something objectively shittier?
1. you need to justify to the DoD your budget
2. someone at SIG is a retired general of the US army and ex-NATO chief of command and can easily work some people to get contracts going
3. the people in charge of getting all equipments and weapons for the infantry have never been in the infantry or know anything related to the infantry.

>>64017994
yawn

>>64018053
>Why did we replace the 1911?
the 1911 in stocks were getting old and the army prefered letting them rot to the core rather than keep buying parts to repair them, of course this led to so many 1911 being broken that it was cheaper to replace them with the M9 rather than repairing them.
the M17/M18 is the exact same shit, too many broken M9 and so cheaper to replace than repair.

>.45 would work fine for self defence in the situation where an officer actually needs a gun.
Staff sergent Karen can't handle .45ACP, please understand.

>>64017982
Not debating that. It's just funny to me that everyone by now should have heard these things are fucking unsafe and people are still doing stupid shit like this. Siggers get what they deserve.

>>64017918
Judging by how Jew’d we are currently, sig p365 screen cap this in 5 years the p356 will be a front runner in any trial they run

>>64018036
Do you understand that handguns have no combat value, waste training time, money and cause more friendly losses than they inflict on the enemy? They are an active hazard to the troops and combat readiness in general, if a officer needs a handgun because he can't carry a rifle then he shouldn't be in the military in the first place.

Besides limited use by MPs and SF they have no value, their existence in the hands of the troops actively degrades military effectiveness.

>General Scott Miller, former commander of NATO's Resolute Support Mission and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan, joined SIG Sauer as a Defense Advisor. He was previously commander of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC)
>Lieutenant General (R) John Deedrick, who served as the U.S. Military Representative to NATO, and now serves as an Advisor to the CEO of SIG Sauer.
these two must fucking hang

>>64018070
post your guns

>>64017773 (OP)
Nothing will happen. Sig will do some tough goy branding and say that everyone that says otherwise is committing blood libel.

>>64017990
Brass tends to pressure-weld to the bolt face at chamber pressures above ~70kpsi. So if you want high pressures you need either steel or polymer cartridges. Instead of using either, Sig made a clusterfuck of a cartridge.

>>64017918
Beretta APX.

You just love to see it

>>64017785
As other anons said this is air force, but my Army NG unit still has a couple big milk crates full of beaten up M9s and M9 magazines

>>64018070
do you understand the inside the military there is only a very very small amount of people who are fighting directly with the enemy with small arms?

>>64018071
Don't forget a guy called Bobby Cox, may have pulled strings for the MHS in favor of Nig

>>64017852
shieet sad that somebody had to die from the sigger p320
rip to the guy and hope it kills SIG USA

>>64017918
Beretta M9A3s/92Xs to take advantage of existing Beretta 92 parts and training. And of course they're modular, you can interchange slides and frames between different models of 92s.

>>64017912
They didn’t have Sig (TM) holsters with Sig (TM) ammo and Sig (TM) optics. It’s like they wanted the gun to fail.

>>64018128
You can’t actually, the compact slide needs shorter slide rails

The full-size can work on the shorter compact rails but in Beretta’s 500 years of wisdom they made the dust cover shorter on the compact and centurion (compact slide with full-size grip) so the recoil spring is exposed. I suppose if you just extended the dust cover and made the compact slide rails standard it would be fine

>>64017918
imo glock 19x is very likely considering it was the last to get rejected from the og trials in 2017
but beretta might be on the menu they already did the a3/a4 and GTS series which is pretty cool with the frame mounted lever
time will tell, theres gonna be a new trial and all the big players will send their guns
hk glock cz ruger probably too
sig probably too lmao

>>64018070
I, for one, also am pro feds carrying guns that will go off by themselves.
>V*rification n*t R*quired

>>64017975
>>64017990
No quick change barrel on the 250, a squad automatic rifle that’s supposed to fire an extremely hot round which builds heat even quicker. Combined with reports of M7 eating barrels, that’s just asking for problems. SIG couldn’t even be assed to cut flutes or radial fins like the VZ 26/30, or the Jap Type 96 LMG to speed cooling, and both those rifles had QC barrels in 19 fucking 30.

249s are shit because 91Fs and joes don’t know how to take care of them, and the half dozen springs it uses to cycle are 95% of the time past expiration. Well-maintained 249s are “okay”, but not great. That said, 249 sucking doesn’t make the 250 good.

>>64017980
i liked the textron telescoped ammo but the army is probably not ready for it
but the rm277 was pretty cool i always seen it as a modern fg42

>>64018128
>>64018149
They did select the best. Glock and Beretta were that much worse in safety considering SIG even with its current problems still passed and was accepted. There won't be a retrial.

>>64017773 (OP)
>perfect pick by me
>RM277 rifle/automatic rifle + glock 19x/45

>>64018171
all i can do is the m7 + m18

>>64017918
Give every revolvers just to be cool

>>64017773 (OP)
RETVRN TO TRADITION AMERKA

>>64018162
nigga glock is used all over the world have you ever seen a case of glock firing without pulling the trigger?
btw glock has a partially cocked striker while sig is basiclly a single action full tension striker and even the manual safety doesnt actually block the striker.
the gun can fire with the safety on without pulling the trigger

as for the beretta its a da sa gun, in da mode especially with safety it cannot fire at all

>>64018178
saar fuck you get the mim parts for 50% off

>>64017959
>>64017975
It’s good on paper but reports are pretty meh at best. No quick change barrel means it’s fucking worthless. Have fun firing a 80k psi round with a suppressor and watching your gun melt. It’s also inaccurate even by LMG standards.

>>64017773 (OP)
Source and archive of the source? Dunking on SIG is always good but don't be lazy OP, put the relevant links in your thread next time.

>>64018162
lol, they didn’t even do the full standard safety/reliability trials during the MHS selection because 1. SIG underbid like the crack whore, 2. Neither Beretta nor Glock met the new MHS standard for modularity, aka the contained FCU stipulation… a requirement that was suspicious added on which eliminated literally every hand gun on the market other than the 320/M17. Corruption? No proof but an odd autistic requirement for the MHS.

We don’t know which pistols were the safest because there was no real test. But given their civilian track record after the MHS selection, SIG has proven to be the worst. Stop shilling.

>>64017971
He’s military so you can expect them to be too bright. I also wonder if he set it down and it shot the guy across from him. It makes more sense to place the barrel away from you naturally (not even thinking about safety) and the poor bastard across from him took the round. Which makes this look even worse but is pure speculation by me

>>64018162
The best grenade

>>64018190
honestly when i heard its a highest psi round ever adopted i knew its going to be a quirk on a page of military history books in a couple years from its adoption

>>64017990
Who’s got the Sig quote that says it’s like a 15 MOA gun? I can’t find it.

>>64018073
Ok.

>>64018120
And if forced to do so should have a small arm that has combat value, not a toy that degrades overall military effectiveness by it's mere existence.

>>64018154
Actually applies to feds as well. SMGs, M4s and shotguns are just fine. State level cops can justify handguns however the current system needs drastic overhaul both in membership, and leadership requirements.

Also while i'm at it any State level Law Enforcement agency without a elected leadership (i.e Sheriffs, constables and Marshals) are illegitimate and constitute troops under the 3rd Amendment.

>>64018171
the only thing i would change desu is the automatic rifle with 20rds is kinda silly but GD makes a barrel for m240 that uses the same links as normal 308 so basically just adopt the rm277 as a rifle plus new barrels for m240 in 6.8 and thats it

>>64017971
SAAR, DO NOT REDEEM THE HOLSTER
SAAAAAR

>>64018025
>None, it should eliminate handguns entirely.
>>64018070
>Do you understand that handguns have no combat value, waste training time, money and cause more friendly losses than they inflict on the enemy?
They should just hand out shotguns. I know they're big but it's hard to fuck those up. And aren't these handguns supposed to be for guards and stuff who just stand around? Well the last time I was on a Navy base, I had to go past a big lesbian carrying one of these and it looked intimidating enough for me. Also they can shoot down drones. We can make them in America too. KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
https://youtu.be/4Ua_AMy6aKY

>>64018229
a pistol does have combat value. so much so that they have been in use militarily since its invention

let me guess , you think because soldiers have a plate that means the gun wont kill them?

>>64018013
Ending both sentences on "there" sounds weird. Rework the sentence structure of your b8

>>64018220
There's nothing wrong with high pressure. It's how Sig did it.

it's late night in india
expect designated sigger shills within a few hours

>>64018053
>>64018063
Because 9mm is the NATO standard pistol round and because .45 ACP is kinda shit unless you belong to the cult of "bigger bullet better".

5.7 is superior to both but got cucked in NATO by Germany trying to protect HK.

>>64017898
He set it on the table facing his chest? This is inhuman behavior. No one does this, even accidentally, because it would require you to hold the gun/holster backwards or upside down which is uncomfortable and unnatural.

Didn't happen.

>>64018238
No, i acknowledge that they have limited value when there is no other practical option however those cases are very limited.

My point is the number of times they are used in a real combat situation is overwhelmingly counted by the much larger number of cases where through accident, misuse and suicide they cause more losses than they inflict. Furthermore the vast majority of people who use them could just as easily be carrying a rifle.

>>64018238
I think it's rather because statistically, infantrymen are EXTREMELY unlikely to actually use issued sidearms in combat, and this has been the case since WW2.

I actually think pistols still have their role in the military, but primarily as weapons for military police, a sidearm for M240B gunners because their main weapon isn't exactly maneuverable, and then arguably as a badge of rank for officers.
I wouldn't say that grunts should never have sidearms, just that it's generally not very important that they all do, they could carry a couple more magazines of 5.56mm instead.

>>64018252
It kind of is because the pressure causes problems. The reason they need to rock such high pressures is because they want to meet the target velocities but with a short 13" barrel, and jacking up the pressure is the only way to do that.

>>64018268
giving soldiers a rifle is retarded considering how little they are used to kill soldiers compared to other systems

im using your faggot retard logic , see?

>>64018128
Baretta fucked up and pissed off the Army by calling their latest 92FS the M9A3.

>>64018171
M4A2 (or M8 if we have make it a new gun due to budget laws) upper with DD RIS 3, 16.5” barrel, and an NAS3 69 gr 556 firing around 73-75 psi, with an intermediate gas tube length and reprofiled cam path for the bcg.

Get FN to re-engineer the 240 to shorten the receiver and save weight. Make an NAS3 7.62 round.

Do a new trial for a SAW firing the new hot 5.56.

>>64018064
>unsafe and people are still doing stupid shit like this. Siggers get what they deserve.
Sig was the only one to pass phase two testing that verified safety and longevity. Glock and Beretta entrants were so unsafe they couldn't even pass phase two much less get to phase two testing like SIGs entrant did.

>>64018268
Buddy, I love you, but let's just stick to talking tractors and North Korean rice yields, m'kay?

>>64018226
It's in TFBTV's interview of the SIG faggot with a moustache by the handsome skimpily dressed lawyer. I think it's this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_VK6vYkWO0
Also it's not 15 MOA but 10 MOA in full-auto and 8 MOA in semi-auto. That still makes the semi-auto unusable.

>>64018063
>too many broken M9 and so cheaper to replace than repair.
Makes sense, so the logical thing to do would be to bulk order new Beretta M9's rather than rush the adoption of an entirely new experimental and unproven system as well as retrain soldiers on an entirely new manual of arms as well.
But MIC being retarded and bad at budgeting because they fall for marketing buzzwords like 'muh Modularity' ain't anything new, same reason you can't trust your grandmother/grandfather in front of the QVC channel with a credit card in hand.
>b-b-b-b-but muh red dot
Just get gud with sights, the average grunt is better off just carrying an extra magazine anyway and if soldiers absolute insist they be allowed to carry their gucci riced out Glock with maybe one or two of the original parts fine, require them to stress test their build and show they can actually hit shit with it.

That or just unalterably give Smith an Wesson a contract, M&P's are fine and often come with an optics cut by default in the higher end models for all the RMR or RMR Holosun knockoffs soldiers might wanna slap on. Speaking of red dots is the Nu-Aimpoint CoA good?

Never should have replaced the M9.

>>64018276
Big if true, but the army gets what they deserve for their hubris in rejecting it.

>>64018277
considering marines use the hk416 in 16.5 and now in sbr config id say 416 could be adopted for big army but an improved 5.56 does make sense

>>64018278
Now you're just making shit up
Your next words are: "ENGAGEMENT HACKING GRIFTER"

>>64018278
lol, lying again. There was no phase 2 testing BEFORE selection. The Army then did more testing AFTER selection, which is why Beretta and Glocks didn’t get tested. That test discovered that M17/18s weren’t drop-safe btw, which had SIG panicking and telling the Army that they’d install the drop-safe upgrades they were doing on thr “voluntary recall” program they were doing around that time. Yeah, remember that particular fuckup early in the 320’s life? Stop being disingenuous.

>>64018171
That or an FN LICC rifle

>>64018287
Fuck it's not it. I can't find the one.

>>64018155
The M250 has a qc barrel, the M249 doesn't.

>>64018275
Rifles don't injure or kill more of your own side than the enemy, pistols do.

>>64018282
I honestly don't get it, the logic is simple; for the majority of those issued them they have no value and are an active danger.

I started being interested in the subject when i read a serious proposal that would see every single Marine given a side arm and all i could think is 'wow, whoever thought this up really likes wasting money and hates Marines'

>>64018194
Does anyone know how to navigate their website better an article is written about it but I can’t find it

https://www.warren.af.mil/

>>64018330
>pistols kill more of your own side than the enemy

if you issued rifles to MP's and basegoblins guess what would happen you fucking idiot?

>>64018309
416 has its own issues like bolt lug life, like other piston ARs that had the short-stroke system shoehorned into a DI BCG. DI is fine and very reliable if you know what you’re doing with it, and it’s a well-understood system at this point for the AR15 platform. I like the DI recoil impulse and think it makes for more inherently accurate rifles.

>>64018126
Another guy already did die before, and a few people have been seriously maimed by it.
An infamous one was the FBI lady who had her P320 sitting in her purse under her desk, which then suddenly shot her right in the pussy. Absolutely ghastly injury from the description I read.

SIGGERS!

>>64018287
The M249 is a 12 MOA gun.

>>64018330
ngl I like you a lot better when you're talking about farming shit and not showing how stupid you actually are

>>64018329
The M249 absolutely has a QC barrel, I’ve carried it in FTX… the Army’s current M250 doesn’t have QC barrels. This is easily google-able. Stop being retarded.

>>64018350
damn never heard about that thats fucked up
hinestly if it doesnt destroy sig and cancel their contract with army its crazy

>>64017975
>250 is good though
No it isn't, grunts are complaining that it refuses to extract a lot. The M249 actually WAS good, until they all started really wearing down over the years, kind of the same problem as you saw with many M9 pistols, they were in service for too long.

>>64017852
Damn I just met a guy who PCSed there yesterday and we were getting drunk and talking shit about the p320. I feel like I am responsible now.

>>64018368
The only responsibility here lies in Sig and Ron Cohen.

>>64018259
Good morning saar
Sig is Brahmin gun

>>64018317
Apparently they didn't return them for the voluntary upgrades or just assumed new ones had the upgrades already so didn't need to also be sent in for upgrades. That's not SIGs fault they're not being returned to be fixed.

Curious that there is no chink shitposting in these threads. I can already imagine the baits. Is it just the time to the day?

>>64018329
Nigger, no.

>>64018340
You mean the guys who already carry rifles on deployment? Stateside MPs don't carry rifles because they are impractical for breaking up bar fights and clerks, cooks and mechanics don't get sidearms anyway.

>>64018381
Liar.

>>64018395
Vely implessive Amelicans. Don't see gleat halmonious pistor of gleat Led China doing this. It's is rike impeliar Japanese pistor, divine intelvention to signar you'le upcoming downfarr.

>>64018381
You realize that the 2017-ish drop-safe issue is not the same problem as the current problem of 320s spontaneously firing when bumped or jostled, right? As an aside, all military pistols have the upgrade installed per SIG’s own mouth so this incident makes sig look even worse.

>>64018395
Both threads are derailed courtesy of Norktard having one of his panted spergouts so they might be waiting for things to die down.

Damn, how good were the hookers and blow that got Sig the contracted.

If you buy Sig, your hospital bill will be big.

>>64018028
The beretta apx was the clear winner but they didnt even do the testing that would have done in the sig. The ex mil generals or whoever the fuck who pushed this log of shit through and then magically found a cushy job at sig should be stripped of any honors at the very least.

At this point, I'm never buying a new Sig product.

>>64017920
good. more hardware to try crazy shit with.

>>64018457
the p320 is a sorta-unique situation because they took an existing gun and just tried to cram an FCU into it. its why the p365 isn't going off on its own.

>>64018364
Makes one wonder why FN didn't try to do some of the KAC magic they used on the LAMG to cut weight for the Minimi Mk3.
Instead they made the Evolys which looks like shit.

>>64017920
>>64018470
So, with P320s/M17s becoming not quite safe project guns, what changes do you do to them to make them stop being dangerous?

>>64017959
The M250 is absolute dogshit and you should be ashamed for suggesting otherwise. Tell me how fucking belt links end up behind the bolt in the goddamn trigger mechanism ffs

>>64018476
I think the real problem is not only 320's design, but the company's response: deny deny deny and take zero responsibility. The fact they're not coming out ahead to take care of an issue that could possibly KILL you or someone else is not exactly a screaming endorsement of the company's MO. If they're trying to bury the 320's problem now, they'll try to do the same if a future gun has safety issues as well. Why risk it when there are literally dozens of other reputable firearm manufacturers?

>>64018359
>the Army’s current M250 doesn’t have QC barrels

The M250 has a QC barrel but for the same reason the M249's isn't used the Army had SIG put it under the handguard.

As you said this is easy information to google.

>>64018436
Oh please, thinking that handguns don't have much military value isn't a sperge out it is common sense.

We don't see anyone shitting on the USMC for 'every Marine a Rifleman' now do we?

>>64018492
>but the company's response: deny deny deny and take zero responsibility.

thats every company anymore. not trying to defend sig but i wouldn't expect any gun company to just say "ah yeah whoops guess our flagship gun IS unsafe to carry!"

>>64018497
> https://soldiersystems.net/2024/10/21/ausa-24-sig-sauer-xm250-with-quick-change-barrel/

SIG OFFERS a version of the M250 with a QC barrel, the ones being delivered to the Army currently doesn’t have one. You must be ESL.

>>64018162
Is this the new Sigger cope now that they can’t cling to the old ones?

>>64018507
Ruger actually issues recalls at times.
>Hey, we discovered that X gun in Y serial range(s) has Z problem(s) and we'd like you guys to send it back so we can fix it for you for free.

>>64018203
*can’t expect

>>64018502
I'm sure that statement makes perfect sense to a civvie who doesn't understand what 99% of being in the military is comprised of or why you will get your face punched in by the gate guard when you say he should trade in his pistol for a carbine.

>>64018220
Yeah that’s a fair assumption. Especially when it’s a 25% increase and still mostly brass

>>64018476
You actually trust their QC at this point? Even if you buy one of their classic hammers fired guns, it's not being assembled with the same love as the mountain Jews of old, and two you're supporting these cocksucker who are embodying everything wrong with American businesses.

>>64017852
>>64017773 (OP)
What a shame, however I dunno how word didn't get out to him about those things basically being automatic castration machines for appendix carriers, especially for an air force dude which certainly has a higher IQ threshold requirement than say typical grunt work. Sure I'd carry one RELUCTANTLY if I was required to but I sure as fuck wouldn't carry it hot an locked. At least till I could eventually convince whomever is my top brass to just let me carry a boring stock Glock instead, either that or just see if I can find one of those old M13 revolvers around in the armory instead because at least with that all's I gotta remember is that it can't handle Bubba's pissin hot loads.

Should they go back to swords?

>>64018180
MPs and Officers would unironically be better off with Ruger Blackhawks than Sig P320s for sidearms. They can even do the Blackhawk with 9mm chambers, the gun is more than ready for 9mm NATO and you would retain ammo commonality with SMGs and other NATO forces.

>>64018512
Thank you for confirming the M250 has a QC barrel and that the Army didn't want it.

>>64018502
>handguns don't have much military value
hell yeah brother, can't wait to go through my entire 0400-0800 watch at notoriously deadly Bragg with my M4 slung all the while because I have no other fucking alternative, I just wasn't suffering enough already

>>64018329
Why do you lie?

>>64018330
> Rifles don't injure or kill more of your own side than the enemy, pistols do
Proof?

>>64018523
I've been a gate guard, we all had our rifles.
>>64018552
At Dix we had to, it was right around the time of the Albanian pizza delivery terror plot.

>>64018547
ngl, a GO SAA would be kinda bitching, though I think a 1911 would be just as, if not more classy.

>>64018350
> which then suddenly shot her right in the pussy.
Kek that’s fucking hilarious. I can guarantee she was a fat cow and deserved it.

>>64018558
Issued infantry rifles aren't known to fire by themselves from gentle handling.

>>64018229
I actually got some decent gardening tips from you in the past and it's kinda sad seeing that you're kinda just...dumb like this

>>64017773 (OP)
Implessive

>>64018560
You did not serve. Stop trying to act like you did.

>>64018566
When was the last time you talked to your mother?

>>64018581
Stop trying to get me to dox myself. Let me guess, just post my DD214, old ID or VA card right?

>>64018436
What spergout? Pistols are useless for warfare.

Can any anon post a video of an M249's QC barrel feature actually being used?

>>64018571
honestly he's always come across as a retard to me, being a monarchist-fascist either means you're just a shitter wanting attention or a bonafide dumbfuck

>>64018592
Don't forget your mother's maiden name

>>64018605
why cant you use google? or do you mean footage of one being used in combat?

>>64018598
Pistols ARE mostly useless for actual infantry combat, but that doesn't mean that an army does not need pistols, as an army does more things than just infantry combat.

>>64018605
Do you mean in combat footage?

>>64018053
>Why did we replace the 1911?
Because we allowed women into fields that called for the carrying of handguns

>>64018070
>handguns have no combat value
It's unwise to leave your officers unarmed and carrying around a rifle is impractical for what are mostly office workers.
It's more for preventing assassination and fragging than any battlefield use where they most likely would have a rifle.

>>64018457
I got a Romeo 7s on sale but I hate that it has that fucking logo. What should I cover it with?

>>64018053
They were getting really old and worn, and .45 wasn't NATO compliant.

>>64018631
>but that doesn't mean that an army does not need pistols, as an army does more things than just infantry combat
Watching people who claim to have served in the army not understand this has been the highlight of my afternoon today lol.

>>64018631
If they might get shot at, they should have a pdw/sbr. If they aren't, they're probably more likely to ND. Most of the people issued handguns probably shouldn't.

>>64018606
>>64018571
Eh, i think most people in the army who have a handgun should have a rifle instead. I don't think that is a particularly strange or crazy opinion, at the very least not one that merits threats of stalking and murdering small animals like in the other thread.

>>64018636
If they are in a assassination scenario, getting fragged or having the office invaded by the enemy then a handgun will do jack shit to affect the situation while a rifle might.

>>64018642
And 45 is heavier, which makes it more annoying to transport.

>>64018631
>as an army does more things than just infantry combat.
And what an understatement that is.

>>64018652
>Eh, i think most people in the army who have a handgun should have a rifle instead.
At least talk about PDWs instead. Why the fuck does some random clerk need to carry around and take care of a service rifle?

>>64018241
>Rework the sentence structure of your b8
They could just drop the second one.
Or maybe:
>You doing OK buddy?

>>64018664
A random clerk shouldn't be issued any gun, unless the base is getting overrun and shtf.

>>64018652
As I guy who ETSd in 2017 I genuinely do not understand how you can have served and not see how assfuckingly retarded it is to think replacing every pistol with a rifle is reasonable. Firstly, there's not that many sidearms out and about with their owners anyways, secondly the ones that are using them tend to get zero benefit from a rifle and only inconvenience. It just doesn't make sense with reality. At all.

>>64018675
A random clerk has a duty to defend his position and whatever materials the state has him work with. The clerk has to be able to shoot some random fucker who tries to run off with documents or radio equipment or whatever the fuck.

>>64018638
>I got a Romeo 7s on sale but I hate that it has that fucking logo. What should I cover it with?
Put a funny maymay or waifu sticker over the logo and then people will just think your gay or autistic which is a huge upgrade from being perceived as a Sig fanboy.

>https://kommandostore.com/search?options%5Bprefix%5D=last&page=1&q=stickers

>>64018675
Okay, so who gets issued a gun and who doesn't? Who gets to make these branch-wide decisions? What about exceptions? You were in the military, so you should know about the bureaucratic circus that would be involved with these kind of things. Right?

>>64018679
This attitude is why handguns cause more friendly casualties than enemy.

>>64018684
Source?

>>64018684
And that's the reality you'll have to live with, so long as we don't have enough MPs to protect every single random POG squad's AO.

>>64017997
HK couldn’t even win the fucking German army contract: https://thedefensepost.com/2025/07/15/germany-handguns-czech/

>>64018642
>and .45 wasn't NATO compliant.
Whatever America's standard is ends up being N.A.T.O.'s standard too. Don't forget we got them to adopt tree-ol-hate and 5.56 as well.

>>64018656
Kind of? But by the 1980s .45 was almost only used for sidearms, which don't see very heavy use by default, so in my opinion there's no functional problem with .45 as a service pistol cartridge.

I like 9mm too, but if the US waited even longer, and if it wasn't for NATO standardization, then the army could have done fine by adopting the H&K USP in .45, it'd have been easily as good as the Beretta 92.

SIG needs to be sued into oblivion and Norktard needs to stick to talking tractors and rabbits and not outing himself as a fucking retard. Thread done.

>>64018070
Sidearms are only the primary arm for MPs and security guards, and they still break out the long guns when the situation calls for it.

>>64018482
the irony of Sig trying to cram a striker system inside the P250 FCU is that there is a shit ton of room to add a new mechanism if you rip the current p320 one out. like, one that doesnt suck total ass. and you wouldnt even have to do much. but its all a gamble if trying to save the P320 ship is worth it. the hardware + accessories could be saved from all current pistols out there, which is in the millions(?) of units. can the reputation be saved?

Sure people could throw out or destroy the $550-$1200 gun they bought, but i doubt most would do that. the guns would either sit in warehouses until sold to some sucker for dirt, sold for a gunsmith special, or sit in safes. a new mechanism would be the out the p320 hardware needs.

there is so much money dumped into accessories for the P320 by a number of different companies that im surprised a company hasnt made their own replacement mechanism.
flux, strike industries, fostech, any of the numerous slide + barrel manufacturers have big money into tooling and logistics. i dont even want to think how expensive the molds for the flux raider where, holy hell. nobody want to be the ones holding the bag of all those pistols, parts and supposedly worthless tooling.

the P320 could have its soul saved from its creators.
>stock trigger isnt great
replace the mechanism
>dont drop the sig
replace the mechanism

boom congrats you have a safe pistol with tons of aftermarket options. is it the best shooting? no. is it safe now? yes.

>>64018664
A valid question.
>>64018677
I didn't say every handgun just most of them. Every person i've ever served with who had only a pistol could have easily been carrying a rifle since they didn't actually carry anything at all and all of them besides WOs were in a position where they would be exposed to fire.

A platoon sgt is expected to carry a rifle and defend themselves while Lt dipshit sitting next to them isn't even expected to be capable of real self defense? Bullshit.

>>64018698
Correct.

>>64018652
>a handgun will do jack shit to affect the situation while a rifle might.
You won't have the rifle while you're at the water-cooler or the toilet, you left it locked in your office cabinet.
Having a pistol excludes a bunch of options for an attacker, surprise becomes necessary instead of just walking up and shooting them.

It also means that unarmed soldiers are much less likely to start shit to your face.

>>64018681
I need something small tho, I have radiation warning labels but I want something more cheeky, I don't think normies would understand.

>>64018704
If you are in a combat area then you should be bringing your rifle to the water cooler and/or toilet and if you need a sidearm to intimidate unarmed soldiers into not kicking your ass then i'm sorry but we are talking about the US Military not Russia.

>>64018702
Okay I think the problem here is you're just suffering from debilitating autism and you only see things through a very inflexible point of view that centers around raw outcome and doesn't take anything else into account. Now that I say this, maybe you actually did serve in some POG capacity after all, but I'm still extremely dubious.
>Every person i've ever served with who had only a pistol could have easily been carrying a rifle
Rifles are cumbersome and big and a pain to keep track of if they aren't on your person, so a person moving from place to place or even just sitting at a desk all day gets no benefit from this.
>A platoon sgt is expected to carry a rifle and defend themselves while Lt dipshit sitting next to them isn't even expected to be capable of real self defense?
If your LT is having to defend himself with his sidearm chances are he's fucked anyways since he shouldn't be dropping bodies to begin with. The scenario is extremely unlikely, so he gets a small, unobtrusive weapon as a last-ditch so he can focus on doing LT shit.

>>64018695
I'd have been fine with there just being two pistol cartridges in the NATO standard, there's already two rifle cartridges. Or hell, not even requiring strict standards for service pistols cartridges.

They're just pistols, they only have to be shot a little bit and they just have to not accidentally kill their users. In an age of 5.56mm assault rifles, there just isn't really going to a be a time where a forces from multiple NATO members working on some frontline are going to badly need to share ammunition for their SIDEARMS of all things.

>>64018698
Sure, but MPs are still going to need pistols for the same reason regular police need pistols.

dunno why people are arguing with a faggot that won't differentiate between frontline combat and being on a base stateside, he's either a troll or too stupid to bother engaging with

So to clarify.

The M249 has a QC barrel, but the feature is unused and the Army doesn't issue spare barrels.

The M250 can have a QC barrel but the Army didn't want it for the same reasons the M249's is not used.

An M250A2 with a QC barrel would be an excellent M240 replacement.

>>64018712
To be fair POG but high danger POG: First post was a Transport unit where i filled the NBC NCO slot but i spent more time training other units than being with my own, i was the only 54B in the entire state so everyone was borrowing me to train them because of all that WMD bullshit.

>If your LT is having to defend himself with his sidearm chances are he's fucked anyways since he shouldn't be dropping bodies to begin with. The scenario is extremely unlikely, so he gets a small, unobtrusive weapon as a last-ditch so he can focus on doing LT shit.

Lts drive around and get exposed more than almost anyone else on convoys, they shouldn't do it but usually they ride in front with the Plt Sgt and do route recon. Usually they were driving since the Sgt was busy so they were glorified E-4s in all but name.

>>64017773 (OP)
>Bussiere

>>64018715
>Sure, but MPs are still going to need pistols for the same reason regular police need pistols.

That was my point.

>>64018733
>An M250A2 with a QC barrel would be an excellent M240 replacement.
No it isn't, he M250 shitheap isn't going to hold up to the kind of use the M240s see.

>>64018705
Well I'm sure you'll find something on Amazon/ETSY/Ebay/Aliexpress whatever...
It's not like stickers are complex technology.

>>64018028
>M&P2.0
finally a based answer

>>64018482
You sell them

can the p320 go off when it has the manual safety on?

>>64018828
YES yes it can because the safety only blocks the trigger it does not mechanically block the striker (which btw is fully cocked essentially its a single action cocked and unlocked lmao)
this gun can only be safely carried with empty chamber

Seems weird that they're trying to replace the Minimi and the Mag when FN still makes them. Just retire the worn out ones and buy more.

>>64018814
Sure, and probably at a discount, but you would need to retrofit them to a not-dangerous configuration.

>>64018828
Yes.

>>64018266
fpbp

STOP defaming SIG. SIG has NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANY CRIME. There is not a SINGLE criminal conviction of SIG for ANYTHING. So SHUT UP!!!

>>64018025
>The number of officers alone who only carry a sidearm equals several divisions of wasted combat potential simply because they have no combat effective small arm.
you have no idea what officers are actually for

>>64018861
I'm convinced he's just baiting because if he's serious that's honestly depressing

>>64018861
Was that not obvious when he said they aren't required because water and food will still be served without them?

>>64018733
>An M250A2 with a QC barrel would be an excellent M240 replacement.
lmao no where do you retards even come from? Whatever eventually replaces the 240 will be just as much of a brick shithouse as it is, because it has to take insane amounts of abuse.

>>64018737
>high danger POG
>stateside convoy duty
okay so you've just been memeing this entire time, you got me

>>64018733
The M250 is shit full stop, no amount of slop re-engineering is going to fix an abject turd

>>64018715
>share ammunition for their SIDEARMS
It's not really about who has what in the trenches, it's about simplifying your supply chain.

>>64018890
Sure, but how much is America's supply chain of sidearm ammunition going to make a difference for or even be relevant to that of Britain's, Germany's or Norway's? All four countries could have sidearms in different calibers and it would basically not matter at all.
None of these countries are going to be using each other's ammunition supply chains for sidearms regardless of if they have the same caliber or not, because they're sidearms.

>>64017898
I can picture exactly what happened. Guy removed his holster, tossed it on his desk from across the room, you know the motion, that lazy slow frisbee spin toss, gun hits the desk, *bang*

>>64018070
Civilians use and train using pistols, and the military people who don't need to carry rifles in their daily duties will likely be from the same pool as those civilians. That alone means that you don't need to cross-train your pencil-pushers to use a rifle they are likely to never need. In addition, pistols can be stored easier in office spaces in little hidden safes and on a person than a rifle. The existence of one pistol implies one in every room an enemy operator must contend with. And, ultimately, sometimes people just want a peashooter for the comfort and security it brings, knowing they'll likely never get in a situation that'll warrant them using it. It's convenient.

>>64018229
Norktard, you're a weird fella. I can see your logic. But pistols have a place outside of the frontline, and when your regular soldiers who would regularly carry a rifle are outside of that frontline, they're gonna need to know how to use a pistol.

>>64018932
Which would have been 100% safe to do with a Glock 17, Beretta 92, CZ75, 1911, Hi-Power, Luger P08, Mauser C96, M&P, Canik, Ruger American, S&W 5906, Walther PPQ, Star Modelo B, Nambu Type 17, etc, etc.

There's endless pistols in random gunshops from all kinds of manufacturers, countries, and eras, which you could just toss on your desk like that and it's perfectly fine.
But not the Sig P320.

>>64018695
>Don't forget we got them to adopt tree-ol-hate and 5.56 as well.

NATO adopted a Belgian 5.56 round, not an American one.

>>64018938
>pistols have a place outside of the frontline, and when your regular soldiers who would regularly carry a rifle are outside of that frontline, they're gonna need to know how to use a pistol.
Blown away this isn't clicking desu

>>64018938
>That alone means that you don't need to cross-train your pencil-pushers to use a rifle they are likely to never need
It's easier to train someone to shoot a rifle than a pistol. If they are in a scenario where they're under attack, they will be more productive given a long gun. A holstered pistol is just an annoying boat anchor around the waist that gets in the way of the job of almost everyone that's issued one. And more likely to go off when it shouldn't. MPs should get them for the same reason cops get them. Almost nobody else should.

Norktard is correct. If they might get shot at, give then a carbine or pdw. Otherwise, the odds of Sig Legging themselves outweigh the benefits of issuing them a handgun.

The US Army figured this out 70 years ago, guys.

any good yt videos about the other competitors in the pistol competition?

>>64017918
Smith and Wesson M&P

It's unironically the best option for every austere environment and it has an incredible safety record. Pretty cheap too.

>>64018972
Norktard you're trying but as usual your 'tism is both giving you away making you miss things that those who aren't neurodivergent find obvious. Like the fact a handgun doesn't have to be a disastrously reengineered P250.

>>64018890
WW2 squads had more calibers without issue. Your anal-retentive autism is pulling a le Corbusier and oversimplifying.

>>64018988
A lot of the people currently issued handguns should not be issued anything.

>>64018972
>It's easier to train someone to shoot a rifle than a pistol. If they are in a scenario where they're under attack, they will be more productive given a long gun.
Not in a building. The bullets might puncture any wall that isn't reinforced and hit a person that wasn't intended. There's a bunch of layers to this you need to take into account, it's not just one reason, it's a dozen small reasons that can - and WILL - stack up quickly even if you're alert.

PDW's do kinda fit the role though, I'll give you that. But even that can just be a pistol with a folding stock.

>>64019007
>Not in a building
If your clerks are clearing rooms, shit is fucked and overpenetration is the least of your concerns.

Are you so worried about another Fort Hood shooting you're going to give every POG a Beretta?

>>64019006
Yes yes, you've made your bizarre point clear here and in the other thread.

>>64018689
you will never get any

>>64018696
>Kind of? But by the 1980s .45 was almost only used for sidearms, which don't see very heavy use by default, so in my opinion there's no functional problem with .45 as a service pistol cartridge.
I mean that your pallet of 9mm ammo is either lighter or a lot more rounds, and either way cheaper to ship.

>>64019007
> The bullets might puncture any wall that isn't reinforced
What the fuck are you talking about.

Wtf, I thought 9mm was too weak to kill?

>>64019007
anon, you're fucking retarded.

>>64018856
I meant for scrap.

>>64018445
Beretta and Glock brought hookers and blow. Sig brought kids and adrenochrome

>>64019042
Minor issue, you're not shipping all that much if it's just for sidearms anyway, particularly when we no longer issue siderams to every single grunt anymore.

>>64018507
Auto manufacturers recall shit all the time. GM had a massive engine recall this year

>>64018507
other companies don't have multiple firearm recalls constantly.

>>64018954
Not him but what's the difference for conversation sake.

>>64019102
There isn't one. 5.56 is a Belgian round. 5.56 NATO did not exist until NATO standardized on SS109 (m855 in the US).

>>64019102
The US adopted the SS109 when it became the NATO standard, under the designation M855

>>64017773 (OP)
HAHAHAHA SIGGERS SUCK MY FAT FUCKING NUTS YOU QUEERS, FUCK YOUR "LEGION" FUCK YOUR ARMY CONTRACTS AND FUCK YOUR FACES YOU FUCKING QUEERS. CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THE COPE ABOUT THIS FUCK YOU ALL FUCKING DIE SLOW SIGGER SCUM, CURB STOMP SIGGERS

>>64017773 (OP)
I wondered why the gate boys were rocking rifles today instead of sidearms. Now it makes sense.

>>64019136
the funniest part is this will change nothing. Siggers can watch a video of a Sig going off in a holster with zero contact, and still go "Well mine hasn't killed me yet!"

>>64019096
Gun and ammo manufacturers tend to have occasional recalls, you'll probably see a handful announced a year, and that's normal, and the fact that they issue recalls is also the responsible thing to do, particularly with products where someone's life may depend on it.
Sometimes errors happen, humans are flawed because we aren't like the God who made us, just make sure to try to minimize mistakes, then be honest and take responsibility for those which happen and try to make up for them best you can.

A while back when Sig had one of their bolt-action rifles tend to fire when you closed the bolt, they actually DID issue a recall there, but they aren't issuing a recall for the P320/M17.
Sig probably have too much money riding on the P320 and can't afford it, but that's not supposed to be anyone else's problem, it's still their responsibility.

>>64018329
It could have one, but the army, in their infinitely retarded wisdom actually intentionally requested the removal of a QC barrel feature on the m250. I hate siggers, but it's such a laughably easy problem to rectify that only existed because the army has somehow managed to become even more retarded than the marines ever could hope to be.

>>64017989
You need to look into the problem more. Just having a safety lever doesn't necessarily mean that a design is super duper safe. An M9 has several redundant safeties, including the safety lever literally blocking the firing line from being able to be struck. The SIG, regardless of safety status, can have its cocked striker drop randomly completely mechanically outside of the safety, because it's designed like shit(they use cheap Indian MIM parts and overall the 320 is actually just a hastily redesigned DAO hammer fire gun they crammed a striker into)

>>64017898
That's fucked if it's true. NDs from guns on/in desks is a recognised issue because the gun is parallel and the victim is usually immediately adjacent. I blue tacked a sticky tape dispenser to my deck drawer bottom specifically so if my pistol was in my desk it would still be pointed downwards.

What could have caused this on the sig, would the airman have pinched the trigger while putting it down, and just have been habitually carrying it in condition one?
Why would it even have been cocked in the holster? I don't see how slamming a pistol could ND it unless it was already cocked, the bolt is too light and the holder would stop the slide reciprocating.

>>64018938
Actual GWOT clerk here. I was issued a rifle. Didn't need it 99% of the time but the few times I did have to go somewhere sketchy I'm glad it was a rifle and not a PDW or pistol. I actually did get shot at despite being the poggest pog ever to serve. It does happen from time to time. It's not as if a pistol would have done anything for me besides be more convenient. I managed to carry the 7 extra pounds waddling from the DFAC to my desk just fine. It's not a 240.

>>64019331
Why wouldn't the gun be cocked in the holster?
>what could have caused this
The same thing that caused the rest of the sig "oopsies", a bad design made by a bad company that can and does fire without a trigger pull.

>>64017918
RXM or Glock's unannounced realistically. CC9 as a longshot. If they get rid of modularity the either glock or m&p. They will never go back to 92 as they 100%are against hammer pistols

>>64019363
I think Glock and M&P both technically met the modularity requirement due to the interchangeable backstraps. If anything I don't think the military will be interested in squishy dogshit grip modules and FCUs again.

>>64019331
>Why would it even have been cocked in the holster?
The P320 is a striker fire gun. It's always cocked.
And since the safety is a trigger discconnect, not a sear block or striker block, putting the safety on does nothing if the problem is that the sear can jump off the striker and let the gun fire without a trigger pull.

>>64019363
The definition of "modularity" by the contract is not what you are thinking. The army does not care that the frame isn't serialized.

>>64018638
I got a vortex specifically to avoid sig. I don't care if it is slightly more

>>64018536
M18 were specifically made to try and stop the castration station and sig swore up and down to the US military that it fixed it, but of course they didn't

>>64019378
They really speedrun the destruction of Sig's reputation lmao

>>64018828
Saftey only prevents the trigger form being used, not the actual striker mechanism.

>>64019377
The modularity is just so that they get FCU systems to shove in if their is a mechanical issue instead of having to get multiple parts. They will most likely stay with that system.

>>64019406
A modular FCU literally isn't part of the requirements retard.

It's obvious there's only one true pistol fit for the US military.

>>64019409
The only way is if staccato forces the military to buy at prices the military never will. Even then the military will just choose the cheaper glock or RXM

>>64019409
>let's get a gun that's less drop safe and less reliable
brilliant

>>64017773 (OP)
Is that why the base guards were rocking M4's today?

>>64017797
why do you want to own any shitty sig made product? do you want to be come a ghost like some sort of phantom?

>>64019341
Thank you for your pogverice

>>64018433
Do the 320/m18 not have a safety plunger that prevents the striker from hitting the primer?

>>64017918
modular is fucking dumb and I don't care for any reason why the military would ever want it.
Just give the contract to Glock or a Glock clone like S&W M&P2.0

>>64018433
How do we know that the fix for the drop safe didn't introduce a new issue?

>>64019476
Modular requirements were probably set up just so sig could "win".

>>64018568
The same can be said for every pistol beside P320s and the Nambu Type 94. In other words you pulled that from your ass.

>>64018585
Sunday. Law enforcement is the fattest profession. Chances our it was some bitch like this and she 100% deserved it. Same with every fed for that matter.

>>64018350
>An infamous one was the FBI lady who had her P320 sitting in her purse under her desk, which then suddenly shot her right in the pussy.
There is no way this wouldn't have been on the news or at least making the rounds around gun "influencers" and other social media fags.
Give us a link to this incident.

Everyone at Glock right now are dropping the horse semen collectors and running to the gun side of the factory.

>>64017785
The units turned in the M9s, so they don't have them on hand anymore. Their off in some depot somewhere and it will take a few days to get them shipped out and issued. The units all have M4s on hand, so that's what they'll work with until then. Notice that the memo tells them to contact someone for stuff they can't do with M4s. That's probably to figure out who to scramble the limited M9s and M11s they have on hand to.

>>64019466
No, it's firing pin block is a lever. See picrel.

>>64019409
Maybe if they made the frame as one aluminum piece.

>>64019502
Considering that their MHS bid was gimped by their ammo supplier keeping restrictive clauses on their bullet IP, there's a good chance that the G19MHS's proposal would be improved by using the current 9mm loads. Picrel is the .40 version, but the 9mm would have used similar bullets.

>>64018700
>there is so much money dumped into accessories for the P320 by a number of different companies that im surprised a company hasnt made their own replacement mechanism.
Rumor is there was an armorer working on just that, who approached Sig about licensing & discussion prior to announcing.
Either he's waiting for Sig to pay up or he was Arkancided. I guess we'll find out soon enouh

>>64019499
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/04/sig-sauer-p320-upgrade-safety/
>Police officer Brittany Hilton said her holstered P320 fired while inside her purse as she walked to her car in Bridge City, Texas. The bullet entered her groin and exited her back just inches from the base of her spine.


https://revealnews.org/article/sig-sauer-p320-police-resale-public/
>The Police Department in Bridge City, Texas, resold its P320s after one of its officers claimed she was shot in the groin by a holstered gun zipped inside her purse, a police report shows. The bullet missed her spine by inches.

>>64019409
>STI pistols so shit that they get pushed out the bottom of USPSA like the turds they are
>company rebrands, but the guns still can't compete
>decide to chase the bro-vet/sheepdawg crowd with their "elite" pistols that were never used by anyone elite
>doughy men with goatees can't keep themselves from blowing their wallets open for these mediocre guns
Those dorks got laughed out of the MHS, why would anyone want them now?

>>64019444
I did my poggest.
>>64019542
They flew him out to Sig HQ in NH and all of a sudden he had a change of heart. I'd say this is one of the sketchiest aspects of the whole debacle but the whole thing is sketchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRkf-r93Q1s

>>64019502
After the release of that horse girl anime game to global I think the opposite is true

>>64019574
>Rumor is there was an armorer working on just that, who approached Sig about licensing & discussion prior to announcing.
Watching. Got shown a pile of money and a NDA, and enough proof to personally believe the issue was resolved.

Or shown the freezer full of bodies

>>64017773 (OP)
ICE did an emergency withdrawl of all 320s earlier this month too.

>>64018053
Fucking ammo weight. Seriously. Pick up a standard ammo can of .45 ACP. It's fucking heavy, right? Now remember that there are two of those in the crate. Uncle Sam got tired of giving guys like me disability ratings for loading up the ammo truck. 9mm was heavy too, but .45 was next level suck. I imagine that someone actually did the math on how much fuel was required to move that shit halfway around the world (as opposed to moving 9mm halfway around the world), someone else recognized that a military's handgun caliber ranks in importance somewhere between socks and ration heaters, and someone else said, "Fuck it, let's save a few bucks where it won't matter."

Also, the non-match M1911's were clapped the fuck out by the '70's and Beretta was the lowest bidder for the replacement. As it turned out, it wasn't bad. There were ND's, but I've never heard of a M9 having an actual AD. They did save a few bucks, but some would argue that it mattered this time.

>>64019641
>Uncle Sam got tired of giving guys like me disability ratings for loading up the ammo truck

Kek, probably at least an ounce of truth in your post, but seriously, for any soldier that DOESN'T need to have a side arm, the M4 is fine, honestly, unless you are planning on parading high ranking (or specialist) soldiers without a proper firearm through a neighborhood I doubt having a 16 round capacity would matter much.

IMO the biggest use for a sidearm is to arm pilots, specialist troops such as medics or snipers, or as a semi-ceremonial role where weapons are otherwise not (generally) needed. Either that or protecting generals from getting fragged. Either give em' an M4 or 1911, no need for much else. If an officer is caught in a situation where 8-10 rounds of .45 are inadequate, they were practically dead anyways.

>>64017916
>hopefully they'll go bankrupt and get bought up by the germans or swiss
German SIG and US SIG might be separate legal entities, but they are both owned by the same people.

>>64017918
The answer is and has always been fucking glock, just get a fucking glock

>>64018705
You're not an RP are you?

>>64019102
Something about the bullets wanting different twist rates and the US having to replace a number of gun barrels

>>64017982
>practicing gun safety is not the same thing as expecting your gun to not go off by itself
but if you do, your chance of survival goes up by a non-zero chance
never a reason not to do something that takes literally the same amount of time, a bare amount of time to remember to do, and is just normal anyways

>never point a gun in a direction of something you don't want shot
includes laying it down
every time i take my gun off after the day, i lay it down facing AWAY from anything
whether i'm just putting it on a desk, or up somewhere for storage, barrel faces a direction where I will not be

>>64018301
Beretta was politely told not to submit for the XM17 trials after jewing DoD on M9 parts contracts for decades.
>>64018298
You mean the M1911A1

>>64018684
Which I already asked you to prove and you didn’t

>>64018828
Yes which is hilarious

>>64018972
> A holstered pistol is just an annoying boat anchor around the waist that gets in the way of the job of almost everyone that's issued one.
Have you ever carried a pistol before? Since they are such annoying boat anchors you don’t CC then right?
>And more likely to go off when it shouldn’t
This may come a brain as smooth as yours, but 99.99% of pistol designs don’t randomly go off unless the trigger is pulled. Crazy I know.

>>64019331
> What could have caused this on the sig
Being a terrible, unsafe design that’s made with cheap, shitty Indian parts

>>64019502
They can multitask

>>64019641
> I imagine that someone actually did the math on how much fuel was required to move that shit halfway around the world (as opposed to moving 9mm halfway around the world),
This. People forget the scale the US military. When you’re moving millions of rounds or great distance (or both) a small change to the item shipped is magnified immensely. You can ship many more rounds for the same weight which means fewer total trips which saves fuel and money. Or the same number of trips but a lot more ammo available. Or you can keep the same number of 9mm rounds as you would have for .45 but free up cargo space/weight and ship extra 5.56, grenades, food, whatever in the same plane or ship. It matters.

I’d imagine the price difference of the ammo itself isn’t much at the scale of a military contract but you’re still using half the lead and slightly less brass and powder. It’s resource conservation. That’s also a big reason we switched from .30-06 to .308. You get 95% of the performance with a slightly smaller case and slightly less powder. Doesn’t really matter for a box of 20. It does matter when you’re making hundreds of millions of rounds.

>>64020150
Sounds like the army were being cheapasses and that sure paid off for them didn't it?

Where is the new thread?

>>64020150
>Ackshually they were scamming the military by making it cheaper than Sig to maintain
Sigger cope, Beretta didnt have to use jeets to make it work.

>>64017989
The safety doesn't matter when the sears have less than 01mm of engagement with the striker in spite of the pistol itself having more than 01mm of slack

>>64020878
Not only that but allegedly when the military decided to use rounds spicier than what were specified to Beretta, that resulted in the m9 blowing up. Beretta immediately responded by re-designing the m9 to accommodate and safely handle those spicier rounds.

>>64020889
how is this different from Makarov

>>64020925
And yet the SEALs still swore off the M9 for decades after one guy lost some teeth from the original design firing a load hotter than Buba's pissing hot hand loads. In any decent system the dipshit that manipulated the program requirements for the MHS trial to rig the competition in Sig's favor would be publicly flogged before being sent to prison for corruption.

>>64020974
Makarovs didn't go off on accident

>>64021393
but they use the same system?

>>64021401
All SIG had to was be equal to or better than the early USSR
Which they failed to be

>>64021415
>Which they failed to be
I read this post, had a giggle, then stopped to wonder if my peers would grasp the sheer amount of shit Anon just talked with one sentence. I'm not sure.

>>64021401
>same system
Isn't the PM double action or some shit? The P320's striker is either reset or it isn't, there's no decocker or additional travel for safety

>>64021401
How is a DA/SA the same system as a striker?

>>64021543
>stopped to wonder if my peers would grasp the sheer amount of shit Anon just talked with one sentence.
I did. I had a pretty cheeky laugh about it. That’s a good fucking insult.

>>64018872
M240 with a new barrel in the new chambering lol

>>64021723
Not you, Mysterious Internet Man, I meant my normalfag peers.

>>64017804
>S-SOURCE?!?!

>>64021719
hit the hammer, it presses on pin

>>64021852
now throw a glock at a floor or wall and guarantee it wont fire

>>64018697
>Norktard needs to stick to talking tractors and rabbits and not outing himself as a fucking retard
He usually drops the trip when he's "off topic". He probably forgot.