Thread 64018104

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welp

>>64018123
F

>>64018123
p320s for 100 dollars soon

>>64018104 (OP)
Have you guys ever had sex on a hiking trail? Like met a woman on a hike and fucked her that same day.

>>64018210
Genuinely a steal at $200 as a range toy. I would NEVER carry one or keep it loaded though.

Bariloche Argentina is beautiful boys. Made it out of Buenos Aires safe and sound despite my best efforts. Met some beunos chicos on the beach and played fetch with em for awhile.

>>64018123
>due to an incident at warren afb
pic related
RIP in peace

Help me make up my mind lads. Honorable mention to the Shield plus.

Siggers need not apply.

>>64018372
this decision should be based entirely on which one feels best in your hand and/or what comes to you in a dream

>>64018372
Hellcat is better than the FN, but the shield is better than both. The HC does beat the shield ever so slightly in concealability though

>>64018372
how come /hg/ only stans the least popular handguns?

>>64018123
It's gonna take this shit killing someone before anything is done about it, isn't it?

>>64018372
Have a (You) and get a 365 nerd

>>64018434

this desu

>>64018210
I'd buy one for <$200

>>64018123
Siggers on sui watch.

>>64018372
Why cheap out and get the reflex it has nothing that makes the 509 series good
>no ambi mag release
>no optics ready slide
>compatible with full sized 509 mags
You aren’t a poor fag are you?

Posting again because I didn’t see there was a new thread

Just got the new trijicon enclosed red dot. Haven’t had the chance to shoot it yet but I like it so far.

I’m hoping to get out to the range some time this week before deer season starts in NorCal. I want to carry this in case of black bears or mountain lions get a little too curious. Might pick up some lead free rounds and take some pot shots at jack rabbits if i strike out on the deer

>>64018213
>things that never happened
Sweaty ass and pussy sounds gross desu and I’d be too self conscious about how I smell too

>>64018123
SIGGERS!

>>64018564
I thought 10mm FN's were no good?

>>64018596
>not liking the stink of a womans ass and pussy
faggot

>>64018673
How so? I like mine

>frame cracking
Every polymer gun has examples of this. I don’t really pay a few instances much mind.

>shitty trigger
The triggers not great but I don’t really care, it’s pretty much on par with a factory Glock imo

I’m not aware of any other criticisms of the 510 besides cost

>>64018703
wasn't trying to come at you, I'm just parroting what I've heard on /hg/. Do you like yours?

>>64018564
Looks like it's wearing a top hat. Looking forward to a range report

New .22 from Smiff & Weston wit da 20 extendos feel

>>64018739
M&P 5.7 but for children looking ass

Since originals are unicorn horns and more expensive than the gun itself, is it acceptable to get a replica/airsoft LAM to put on my Mark 23?

>>64018769
If its functional yes, otherwise if its a cat toy laser I wouldn't bother

>>64018372
whichever is more comfy to use

>>64018769
If you’re using it under NODs get a real device, if for aesthetics get an airsoft device.

>>64018769
>>64018786
If you don't already own multiple NODs and you're buying a MK 23, you're a retard.

>>64018707
>do you like yours
Nigger, I said in the first line I like mine

>wasn’t trying to come at you
didn’t take it personally I was just addressing the complaints that I know of.

>what I’ve heard on /hg/
I’ve talked about the FN 510/509 series a couple times here and I’m always met with the same criticisms

>shitty trigger from the factory
>underwhelming for a $1k polymer pistol
>limited holster options and aftermarket support
Again while the trigger is shit from the tigger, I think most triggers in polymer pistols are pretty shitty.

I would agree they’re overpriced but there aren’t a lot of pistols that offer what I want in a pistol
>not a boring fucking Glock and POS sig
>reputable manufacturer
>optics ready
>ambi mag and slide release
>polymer
>small and lightweight enough for CCW

While the limited holster options suck there are options out there if you look long enough. I don’t really give a fuck about after market support i never mod my pistols more than putting on a red dot and light on them.

I think a lot of the hate/dislike stems from the fact that it’s an expensive polymer pistol that’s not very common. People don’t see them very often and when they look at the price they rightfully question why the fuck it’s almost 2x the price of a Glock, sig, or M&P but there’s no one thing that obviously justifies it, to me it’s more of a bunch of small things that makes it worth it to me.

Idk man I like it so much that I decided to ditch my Glock 26 for the FN 509 compact compensator so that I can stick to the same ergonomics for my woods gun and CC

>>64018549
>why get a micro 9 when you could get a pistol that's larger in every dimension instead

>>64018810
You're the guy that always shills the FN 509 because you have one. It being $1000 and mid is a real issue becauss you can get mid polymer striker handguns for $500, so what the fuck is the FN doing for you? If "most polymer striker triggers suck" then why spend $1000 for that when you could spend half? FN is a shit company.

>>64018104 (OP)
Is this ammo worth or it, is it a meme?

>>64018849
Total meme

>>64018849
at that price point i'd just buy federal HST (i've found federal premium is the same, minus the govt added tax of hst due to police sales)

>>64018849
>no .45 Super
Useless line.

>>64018849
If your hollow point clogs, you get free penetration

If you really care about what’s behind your target you wouldn’t shoot

>>64018845
I’ve posted about my 509 3-4 times tops. You’re probably talking about the other guy that has a blue one or something.

>509 is mid
Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

>what the fuck is FN doing for you?
Guess I have to repeat myself
>not a Glock
nothing wrong with Glocks, I just don’t like them I find them boring.
>not a sig
Sig will never get a single dime from me. I hear the X10 is good but I simply don’t like the company
>reputable manufacturer
Regardless of how much you dislike FN, it’s undeniably one of the most proven firearms manufacturers.
>optics ready
I don’t have to send the slide off to get cut or order weird plates, the 509/510 comes with all of the plates I would need for most optics except the acro which I’m not interested in
>fully ambi mag and slide release
I shoot a lot with my wife and she’s left handed. This might seem trivial but it’s not to me.
>polymer
I don’t want to carry a fully metal gun and I don’t like 2011s

I truly don’t understand why you faggots get so personally offended by people liking guns that you dislike. Ok, I get it, your a poor fag and you can’t justify spending the money on a 1k polymer pistol, that’s fine but that doesn’t make the gun bad somehow

>>64018913
The only one offended here is you because you're sperging and coping that the FN509 is poor value. If every polymer striker pistol is mid, then why pay $1000 for mid when you can pay $500? Why pay double for the same shit, for no reason? Because you're a hipster.

>>64018842
My bad senpai, I didn’t realize the reflex was smaller I just assumed it was a cheaper 509 compact

>>64018924
apologizing and admitting fault isn't what we do here, dude

>>64018919
You’re the one sperging. I gave you several reasons why I chose it over other guns.

>because you’re a hipster
I’ll admit that I’m paying a premium in part to have something different. I’m not denying that. What’s it to you though you? What the fuck do you care how I spend my money and why are you flying into an autistic frenzy for not the same purchases as you?

Imaging being so butthurt over $500, like that’s literally nothing I don’t give a fuck about $500.

>>64018965
You are vastly overestimating how much people care. If you want to be a retard and spend $500 more to he a hipster, that's in you, but people will call you a retard.

>>64018739
Neat. Would be cool if they dropped a micro compact version tho

>>64018978
>implying I base my purchases on what other people think
>spergs out when I don’t make purchased based on what other people think

I buy guns that I like you dumb nigger, I don’t mind paying a little bit more for something that I enjoy looking at. What’s so hard about that to understand for you?

You’re right, the gun is overpriced for what it is but i don’t fucking care. $500 is nothing to me. Sure I could 3 PSA daggers and slap a sighmark on each of them like you but I don’t want to do that.

Again you dumb nigger overpriced does not equal bad gun

Anyone else have a gun they really like and wish was more popular but it just won’t be (cause every one else is dumb)
I really like my Taurus ts9 and wish it was more popular as Taurus mentioned the possibility of bringing in the compact if the full-size sold well.
For the price you can find them for I think it is a great gun and probably Taurus’s best pistol, I know that doesn’t sound like much cause Taurus lol.

>>64019009
>FN
>something that I enjoy looking at
Oh you are trolling. Carry on.

>>64018104 (OP)
Might be the gayest fucking pic anyone has ever intentionally taken

>>64019023
You're forgetting about all your school year book photos

>>64018756
*lookin ahhh

>>64019033
Its okay to be a homo OP, but you gotta own it

>>64019013
>never felt a glorious FN product with his grubby little dick skinners
>$500 is an exorbitant sum of money for him
That tracks lmao
What’s your carry pistol then faggot? Let’s see what the pistol expert carries

>>64018123
When are they declaring bankruptcy? Sure the DOD is going to sue them for breach of contract.

>>64019041
My name's not OP
My name's Larry

>>64019044
>handgun general
>posts rifle
FNtards sure are dumb

>>64019052
>trying to change the subject
That’s ok, I didn’t want to see your PSA dagger anyways.

>>64018924
It's subcompact vs micro compact. The 509c with the 12 round mag inserted is glock 26 sized with a fat very short grip and barrel length. Its easier to shoot well imho than a micro compact but lacks some of the concealibility. The micro compact has a thinner grip profile which matters a lot for printing. I love my 509c, didn't love the reflex. The 509c was on sale with an upgraded flat faced apex trigger for just $360 like 8 months ago it was crazy.

Learning to say "the falklands belong to Argentina" in spanish with the asado homies. Eislay Malvinas Argentina, amgigos. Been playing Creed while we bbq for some real cultural exchange.

>>64019065
Palmetto makes knives now?

>>64018500
Just get a 1911 in 9 or 10mm then.

>>64019071
Leave.

>>64019080
>doesn’t want 2011 because you have to carry cocked and locked
>how about a 1911

>>64019068
I'm glad you're enjoying your trip, man

>>64019101
What’s wrong with carrying cocked and locked?

>>64019110
I’d rather not deal with safeties. None of my pistols besides my 92fs that i never touch has a safety.

>>64018772
>>64018786
The one I’m looking at is purpose built for airsoft and I see pictures of others online doing it so I think its quality is passable.

>>64018807
sneed

>>64019142
>sneed
We don’t use that kind of language here.

>>64019138
>I like the look of 1911s but I don't like 45
>Get one in a different caliber
>Uhh I'm scared of carrying cocked and locked because reasons
>"deal with a safety"
You mean the thing that you train to automatically swipe off as part of your draw? Every gun is carried cocked and locked bro, some just hide it from you or make the trigger worse to pretend they don't have a safety.

>>64019193
>Every gun is carried cocked and locked bro
retard

>>64019211
Oh sorry, not DA/SAs and DAOs. Those are just carried in permanently shit trigger forever mode.

Anyway since you have so many pistols already that you've trained so much with your habits are deeply ingrained and cannot be adjusted, you should probably buy nothing.

>>64019101
SAO isn't a drawback.
Thats why it hasn't been fixed.
Btw, there's plenty of DA/SA options out there including some 1911ish abominations like the Para LDA and Colt Double Eagle.

>>64019231
Para LDA and the DOUBLE EAGLE are DAO.

>>64019242
Hm, well I guess that explains why neither of them was a success while the SAO 1911 is the most successful handgun in history.

>>64019138
This should not matter at all unless you carry it. If it’s going to spend its time 99% unloaded unless it’s at the range it could fire from the open bolt and it wouldn’t matter.

>>64019260
Para had success since cops forbid the use of SAOs for whatever reason, probably salty Glock suckers seeing the 1911 guys qualify with higher scores, that the LDA was a 1911 but DAO with a light trigger pull so cops could carry it.

>>64018455
Siggers on P320 AIWB watch

>>64019271
A guy (civilian) had actually died from a P320 AIWB accident already

>>64019280
Exactly. If someone is AIWB a P320 they must be watched to prevent untimely death.

>>64019065
how much cum does one need to take to become a fudd like yourself sir?

>>64019012
PX4, so there can be more aftermarket and maybe an improved version from Beretta

>>64018739
ok but wheres the competitor but with a steel frame?

>>64019138
Do you still have balls?

>>64019295
Thats another that I really like and my compact carry 1 is one of my go to pistols. I have 5 px4 total, 2 full-size 9mm, a 45acp, a constant action 9mm, and the aforementioned compact carry 1.
I got the type c to try and make it into an Lem type trigger that you can get with some type f/g parts supposedly.

>>64018500
>don’t like 45
Extremely unbased and onions-pilled
I love 45 and +p 44sp out of a lightweight revolver
U have no excuse

>>64019369
I'm new to guns and /hg/ literally my first time posting. Is this considered good shooting? Doesn't look like you hit anything?

>>64019380
Zoom in the video
The 44 special Wadcutters all hit, first in laser group
next two widened in group
I talked mom into resuming gun practice so there are many 32 on from her

>>64019429
Oh lol my bad. Maybe it was the moving camera recording, but you just looked sort of all over the place. The target groups don't look so bad. Do you have any advice for a new shooter? I haven't even bought a gun yet

>>64019380
if this is someguys first time shooting a gun ever its good.
if this is a guy who claims he can shoot its pretty bad.
if its some guy trying to flex its horrible

>>64019380
You can see them as they show up on the video btw, since 44 wadcutters make large holes
I would have kept the laser group had I not started laughing after realizing how accurate the bulldog was with bear ammo but whatever

Even if you have a lean physique 45 and equivalents are easily controllable

>>64019442
You should probably check out the links in the OP. In general, it depends why you want to presumably own a gun.

>>64019453
ESL-kun

>>64019457
Lean physique? Yeah I'm pretty skinny but what does that have to do with shooting

>>64019380
it's not bad, per say, considering it's one handed

but as a flex post it's pretty bad. Revolver SA triggers, which he is cocking the hammer every shot, are very good since they are very light and short trigger pulls

mine is slowed down roughly 1/8 speed

>>64019442
I was trying https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=282 in a 20oz gun. I didn’t even bother to fight recoil like I would with a 1911.
Mom likes revolvers, she really liked the 44 bulldog with standard pressure ammo.
Maybe in addition to your modern guns get a revolver since no safety and easy to use . Rubber grips make recoil much more manageable than wood
>>64019470
Don’t be afraid to try big guns. I’m slim built as well, have smaller hands, and big bore don’t hurt me.
And btw a 1911 has less recoil than many 9mm guns since it has a lot of mass and locked breach that spreads it out to a push instead of something painful
>>64019501
It also has significant recoil on that load
If I had stopped at the first three shots it would have been a laser and my personal best
Instead I started laughing and groups opened. This time was retardmoment but I need to figure out what causes fliers in otherwise good groups.

I know they're generally memes but do chassis systems exist for any beretta guns?

>>64019547
The APX uses a chassis system, but I don’t think there’s a great variety of different grips out there.

>>64019530
>If I had stopped at the first three shots it would have been a laser and my personal best
You cannot say "if I didn't shoot those fliers" it would have been a good group.

If you shot 2 handed, you'd probably shoot one hole groups in slow fire easily at 7 yards with a SA trigger on a revolver, as long as your fundamentals are down. .44~.45 makes it a little easier than 9mm. Shooting one handed, cocking the hammer, isn't good for self defense. You have to break shooting grip to cock the hammer, at the pace you were shooting at, I could shoot 4-6 rounds inbetween two shots. Every "combat" revolver school of thought is DA shooting, trying to cock the is seen as a hammer is a liability.

>>64019547
fab defense I believe makes them, the old not "sexy" jewish ones that cover the entire gun since it's literally made for jews in israel due to their retarded gun laws. It may have come to me in a dream of there being AR pistol brace adapters for 92s.

>>64019575
It’s a bear gun
The first three shots matter far more than the last shots. In fact that’s true for all dgu but definitely with bear.

Everyone (and I mean everyone from my local gun store to /k/ommandos on here) says to just get a Glock 19. Well can someone explain to me why they're so inaccurate? I tried my buddy's Glock 19x at a range and somehow my shots were going a whole square foot down left from where I was aiming. This was about 7 or 8 yards away. Is it just my gun or is it a common problem with Glocks?
>Inb4 skill issue
My friend also had the same problem.

>>64019575
Yeah I saw the Kidon, but that things way to big. I was hoping something like the Glock/Sig chassis existed
>>64019565
Was referring to something like picrel but that's also interesting.

>>64019608
literal textbook skill issue

>>64019608
Might literally be a skill issue. Have you tried troubleshooting (lol)?
Could be improper grip or recoil anticipation

>>64019608
Yeah, it's actually a skill issue.
Glocks are some of tge more mechanically accurate duty guns, but they have the least forgiving trigger.

>>64019608
19x is a 19 slide on a 17 frame. Try a glock 19 with the compact frame

>>64018372
Having shot a hellcat pro let me you, it's terrible to shoot. The recoil just makes it so uncomfortable to shoot when compared to a Glock. I imagine the rmicro compact hellcat is even worse with it being such a tiny gun. So unless you want a very concealable gun I'd go with the shield

>>64019608
>low left
It's a skill issue. Stop squeezing your whole hand when trying to actuate the trigger. Just move your finger.

>>64019442
Here is my advice.
1. Shooting a gun is extremely fun
2. Shooting a gun is alot harder than the movies and games make them out to be.
3. Getting good at shooting is like getting good at anything else, you need to get your reps in, there isn't a secret technique that'll make you good.
4. There actually is a secret technique that will make you good. It's called dry fire, it's free, most guns can do it. You just practice pulling the trigger with an unloaded gun, you can build technique that way and if you do it right you can easily out shoot people who've had guns for years in just a few months.
5. Better guns will not make you a better shooter, you cannot buy skill, it can give you a more favorable out come so if that's what you want buy a steel frame 9mm.

>>64019596
if it took you 3 seconds to shoot 3 rounds, you're dead. You cannot expect to slowly cock the hammer when supposedly there is a charging bear.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mKqSvq41XQI?feature=share
do you understand how slow 3 round in 3 seconds is? This guy shoots 6 rounds in 2s all landing center of mass from concealment. You might not even get one round out before this guy shoots.

>>64019608
Assuming that there is nothing mechanically wrong with the gun, then it's a skill issue. Perhaps the grip angle and recoil anticipation issues make both of you drive shots low left. It's more likely you're shooting low left, glocks do have issues time to time but very rarely.

>>64019648
The first shot hit just fine. If it cripples the bear nothing else needs to be done. If it not DA
> ThiS guY SHoOtS 6 [9mm Parabellum] ROUndS In 2s aLL LandinG CEntEr oF maSS FrOM concEaLmEnt.
Serious question? Why are you comparing Luger DGU tactics to a target shooting 44 lightweight
Great and all but unrelated

>>64019679
you just said everything in the context of bear defense or DGU here >>64019596

it's a bear pistol. that's what you said.

>>64019648
I mean don’t get me wrong, I’ve been practicing draw and failure drill DA/SA automatics as of late so maybe I’ll add the bulldog to the practice regimen.
I need to actually if I’m going to use it.
Just weird to compare someone trying to fire 9mm as quick as possible to someone testing +p 44 with one hand and then laughing after realizing it’s very manageable

Would probably use standard pressure. Buffalo bore 44 is hard to get

>>64019686
You're talking to the retarded shitposting tranny that literally never learns and will jump through hoops to tell you why his retard faggot methods are better than yours.

>>64019608
low left is common if you're not used to glocks since your grip will be different and your trigger work will need to be relearned. if you're more accurate with other guns, use them. Glock 19 isn't gonna give you anything another gun can't do

>>64019686
Okay
But the context is I just bought buffalo bore. Took the lane away from mom at the end of her session and sacrificed 5 rounds since I had to make sure I could handle it.

I bought it for bear defense. Plan to run https://sgammo.com/product/44-special-ammo/50-round-box-44-special-ammo-incorporated-220-grain-tmc-ammo-44s220tmca50/ for humans

Maybe I’ll come back and rapid fire failure drills with that?

>>64019689
Considering you're specifically shooting defensive ammo, I couldn't help but assume that you were talking about shooting defensively because the bulldog's timing wears out if you shoot defensive ammo and I was thinking "oh he must be practicing for defense since you wouldn't burn your gun's lifespan faster than normal otherwise". Or that since you were filming the shooting, that speed was the point. It looked like to me you were shooting about as fast as you could get the gun back on target, so I also assumed speed was objective.

My bad.

>>64019608
People suck at using Glock sights and suck at pulling the trigger. Look you are consistently missing to the left which means the gun is accurate but the point of aim isn't.
The left is cause the gun moves when you pull the trigger. You are pulling it wrong. If you pulled it correctly it would be centered.
The low is also cause of the sights. Cause people think put the ball in the cup. Then try to see the whole ball. Also wrong. With a proper sight picture the ball is like 1/3 obscured by the cup.
As for why they don't get rid of the "bad" sights is there's a fuckload of people that do understand how to shoot them correctly. It's only Glock noobs complaining about low left. Once you learn to do it right it stops happening.

>>64019691
Shut up LMTtroon, go buy a handgun so you can actually contribute.

>>64019730
>LMTtroon
Wow only three people say that and they're all chronically shitposting troons... really makes me think

>>64019730
hey bud I think you're in the wrong general, arg is two pages down

>>64019720
> My bad
I mean I am genuinely bad, or at least a mediocre shot compared to the people here so you are right.

And your advice is something I should take seriously.

And I probably should practice drawing the bully and shooting twice then drawing and repeating

The Buffalo bore was just more of I talked boomer mom into shooting for the first time in 20 years and then snuck in my test ammo expecting it to hurt and it barely did. It’s so expensive and out of stock that I don’t think I’ll ever shoot many of those.
That 220 900fps ammo that’s cheaper seems to have a lot of potential. Might use for practice and human defense.

>>64019732
Nothing wrong with the truth

>>64019738
honest advice, get the fundamentals down before attempting speed.

don't waste bullets trying to put three concepts together before you've grasped any of them. practice single round from the holster. practice doubles already drawn on the target. there's various engagement strategies, like shoot 2 rounds from a single sight picture - draw and shoot as soon as you see the front sight where you want it and then predictively shoot the second round. Or shoot the second round when you acquire the second sight picture. In self defense, you might be responsible for every single round you fire, either legally or morally, so a strategy of shooting multiple rounds from a single sight picture is irresponsible and ineffective as if your first shot was off, every other shot will be too. But in practice predictive shooting is useful for building return to zero technique and understanding what your gun does under recoil - that is assuming you have fundamental technique that's consistent. If you don't have that you can't really improve.

>>64019744
what he said was the truth and so was his second post. you honestly are a shitposter, not a ha ha funny shit poster but just post coal and never a gem.

>>64019721
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>>64019616
>This many replies saying skill issue
I guess I'll concede then. I have no choice
>The low is also cause of the sights. Cause people think put the ball in the cup. Then try to see the whole ball. Also wrong. With a proper sight picture the ball is like 1/3 obscured by the cup.
That doesn't make much sense. If I aimed the dot a little lower wouldn't I be shooting even more lower. Whatevef I guess I'll try your advice next time.
>low left is common if you're not used to glocks since your grip will be different and your trigger work will need to be relearned.
I agree that the trigger pull is gonna take some getting used to. I just thought I'd be more accurate with a 9mm compared to the 45 ACP I shoot out of my 1911

>>64019753
Low left is so widely known as an issue from right handed shooters if I hear that I can't blame the gun until I've tried it myself. low left happens for many different reasons involving the shooting hand, like being too tight in the hand so the finger pulling the trigger pulls the entire hand with it

practicing dry fire can fix it

>>64019751
Were you the “buy an air gun and dry fire a lot guy”?
I already bought a laser gimmick for dry and will get a used air.

That way whenever I work from home I can point a gun or what looks like a gun at the wall and if anyone tunes in the freak out.

It’ll save ammo. Who knows if it’ll get more expensive anyway.

>>64019753
Nah, 1911 is way more natural and forgiving. The only thing like shooting a glock is shooting a glock, so you just gotta learn it

>>64019765
No but I'm mimicking him since it's more about trying to make /hg/ more helpful like it used to be.

what kinds of handguns are legal in massachusetts?

>>64019357
>Type C
That’s very interesting, I have about 7 PX4s but that’s because I’m hoarding inox compacts. I haven’t heard about the mixture of parts for the type C, I remember someone asked Langdon on a forum (he frequents pistol forum) and he said he never even held a type C before in person. I think he saw the DAO like reset and ignored it

>>64019753
heres my advice for shooting glocks
ignore the white lines
do front sight same height as rear, equal light on both sides.
later you can try paying attention to the white cause there are reasons to use them but you really just need the fundamentals.

>>64019783
It’s good advice anyways
I’ve taken to shooting doublets anyways with practice as of late. It saves ammo and if I reset each time it allows more practice on sight lining etc

Hopefully the fixed up SA-35 doesn’t disappoint

>>64019789
google "MA roster", should come up

>>64019843
thanks. looks like 1911s are legal here, which is what i was looking for.

>>64018739
Was unironically hoping S&W would make pretty much exactly this but I'll probably wait a couple months or so to see what the price gets down to and just in case they're horrible. Does suck that it can't keep the rear sight while a dot's mounted but maybe one of the available dots has a built in rear sight that will be close enough; would have at least been nice for the front to be drift adjustable like the 5.7 and .22 Mangum versions.

Yeah, so, it might actually end today.
This is probably the single biggest fuckup in the history of handguns.

O-Light bros… it seems like the P320 has finally caught up, and we’re tied at one frag apiece…

>>64019940
Nice try copenigger but this isn't even close.
That Olight went off because the battery failed and was not properly sealed. It would be analogous to an ammo issue. It was also a one time thing.
The P320 has now killed THREE people, and it's due to problems in the design of the gun itself. This is a debacle.

>>64019807
I haven’t been able to find a guide but some forums mention having done it. I have a type f hammer group that I took out of my second hand polished px4, I had replaced my hammer group in my original px4 with a competition group and then put that one into the polished px4 as it was less “used”.
If you’re curious the polished was originally an inox as it still has that finish inside the slide but it doesn’t say stainless on the slide.

>>64019944
>and it's due to problems in the design of the gun itself.
Explain

>>64019608
Glocks are actually extremely mechanically accurate. What you are describing is literally a skill issue definitionally. Your grip is probably messed up. I've always shot Glocks incredibly well for years without owning one. So much so I finally caved and picked up a G47

>>64019608
It's cute how the most common skill issue you newfags are exhibiting is being flaunted like you know something about Glocks the rest of the world doesn't. Git gud scrub.

>>64020170
i'm not going to give you the full autistic breakdown but basically their design does not properly account for tolerance stacking, such that when certain individual parts are placed in the same gun, it is possible for the striker to come off the sear without a trigger pull, and nothing will stop it
throw indian MIM parts into the mix and it exacerbates the problem

>>64020335
Don't bother. These issues have been known for 10 years. Anyone asking you to explain now is wasting your fucking time, on purpose.

>>64019106
Thanks anon, I'll stop posting about it now but it's been a joy.

>>64019940
>>64019944
I maintain that since it was a handheld olight he had in his mouth it's a value add that they explode. if you're going to suck start your WML from the barrel end the light exploding is just a bonus.

That being said, just get a fucking TLR-1 (or TLR-7 for small guns)

>>64019888
Probably not. I don't think you understand how shielded arms manufacturers are from these things. Maybe if it was a purely civilian model, but Sig will be compensated for any departments dropping it.

Sigsisters... the P320 has actually killed an NCO in front of eyewitnesses and it's officially recognized by the military.
How are we going to cope and damage control now?

>>64020613
"You guys are still talking about this 320 guy? That ended like months ago. Only loosers and evil people are still talking about this 320 thing."

>>64020629
>not using greentext
go back to plebbit

>>64020613
I'm going to say good, that faggot deserved it

>>64020635
I also used snapchat and didn't trim the pic down well. I don't have time to worry about such things.

>>64020613
the idiot shot himself in the chest. you literally never point your barrel at your chest, even if it's holstered with the safety on and nothing in the chamber. The 320 sucks but this fag was gonna shoot himself eventually

>>64020652
the copening

>>64020655
>I don't follow gun safety rules
retard they exist for a reason

>>64020660
He didn't shoot himself in the chest, jew faggot.

>>64020664
Yes he did

>>64020668
No, his finger was nowhere near the trigger. The gun was in a level 2 retention Safariland holster, probably with the manual safety on. He did not shoot himself, you are a faggot, a shill, a jew, a homosexual, and a satanist.

>>64020676
Sure sounds like a hole got blown in his chest,

>glocktroon is ban evading to mock a dead soldier now
wow...

>>64020698
I'm an Arex faggot, actually, and he's a dead airman. Get it right.

>go watch nen stoeger because everyone here loves him
>whenever he's not talking about shooting techniques he's more or less incoherent and sounds like a surfer bro
>his gun reviews are him wildly molesting a gun for a minute and then telling you whether it feels good or not
>most of the time he just talks about how sig sucks, trex arms sucks
>start getting recommended videos by joel park
>find out joel park is ben's friend and does all the work on his guns, even mounting red dots because ben stoeger is too lazy to even put red dots on his competition guns? wtf?
>joel actually puts out a lot of videos about gear setups and drills and mindset that are just as good as ben's, all his videos are easy to understand and to the point
>sometimes ben randomly wanders onscreen like he has no idea what's going on, half of these videos seem to be filmed in ben's house because he keeps getting called there to work on ben's guns
This shit is surreal. Why don't you guys just watch Joel Park?

>>64019888
Tfw

>>64020730
Okay but what’s wrong with Ben? The parts of Joel’s video where Ben wanders onscreen are the best parts

>>64020739
>Okay but what’s wrong with Ben?
He acts like he would be a protagonist in a mid-2000s action comedy called The Retard With Guns starring Owen Wilson as a retarded hitman that inexplicably never misses

>>64020730
I watch both. Ben Stoeger’s videos are funny.

>>64020730
Ben is an idiot. He appeals to idiots. He just happens to be an idiot that's an incredible marksman

>>64018382
S&W 629 Contender in .44 magnum, it came to me in a dream and it feels best in my hand

>>64020751
See I think Ben is incredibly unfunny. Whenever someone says he is, it rings the same as a girl telling you her empty headed bf is funny. There's gotta be some kind of attraction confusing them

I would watch a movie called Retard with Guns.

>>64020763
Homosexual projection

>>64020763
Ok well then watch Joel Park instead or just stick to Ben’s class videos. Idk I think it’s self-evident what most of Ben’s videos are supposed to be which is joking around and muckraking. There seem to be many scumbags in the gun industry and a lot to laugh at so I’m here for it.

>>64020730
>This shit is surreal. Why don't you guys just watch Joel Park?
Every reason you just mentioned is a reason i want to watch Ben.

>>64020754
He reminds me of a random Uncle youd find at a family gathering.

>>64020767
Look man it kinda feels that way. Same shit as when some bitch tells you her bf/husband is a riot and he has the personality of a wet blanket. You can only assume that there's something influencing their opinion.
>>64020771
His jokes aren't really funny and his mudraking is middle school tier. I dunno, I think he's a great shooter, but he's exactly what I would call a midwit

Could grandmaster competitive shooter Ben Stoeger really just be a colossal airhead?

Ben is a great example of someone's talent doing a lot to gloss over how stupid and annoying they actually are.

>>64020855
He seems like a cool guy unless you're Joel Park and he keeps asking you to come over to switch out his optic and you have to bring your torx wrench because he doesn't own a set and when you get there he's playing Donkey Kong in his underwear and you only talk to him to ask him what color he wants his dot to be and when you're finished you can't find him for a while but eventually he's in front of the fridge mesmerized by a squirrel looking at him through the window

>>64020835
>>64020855
He should eat his own gun.
Faggot bitch

>>64018596
I've never done it, but I imagine the smelliness would cancel each other out.

>people who don’t like Ben Stoeger
>glocktroon
>caleb giddings
>GBRS and other Sig shills
>make a wish Michel
>staccato

>>64020885
I was neutral about him, but this convinced me to be a hater

Is TH10mm a good Taurus or a bad Taurus?

>>64020895
It works. It's got a gritty trigger and an awful finish and sometimes if you use weak ammo it may not cycle right. But it works

RIP Ozzy

>>64020676
So, you’re saying his actions in no way contributed to his death?

>>64020948
Sure they did, he pointed a loaded gun at his chest

>>64020730
Ben Stoeger is a real life idiot savant. He's an amazing shooter but he's legitimately retarded in all other aspects.

>>64020959
I flag myself constantly with my holstered pistol. Am I technically breaking a weapons safety rule? To get hurt you need to break 2, right? The weapons safety rules only apply with a functioning firearm.

>>64020990
Sounds like he pointed a loaded gun at his chest, the thing to never do, and died for it like a retard.

>>64018372
Hellcat. The Reflex has had more issues by my research. I was so on the fence in choosing a micro 9 that it was really difficult to decide but the fact that the hellcat had the best capacity for its size was what sealed it for me, a micro 9 is a gun you buy to maximize capacity AND concealability, so why not get the one that does that?

Retards and boomers constantly complain that micro 9s aren't fun to shoot but that's because they're retards, micro 9s are for concealability without going below 9mm in power. If you want a soft shooting fun gun buy a fucking 9mm 1911. If you're one of those guys who always dresses around carrying a full size good for you, I don't feel like it so I have a micro 9 for my summer carry. It even fits in my pocket sometimes. A double stack 9mm, in my pocket, what a world.

>>64020885
Its really funny how much people seethe over him even though he really isn'tthat articulate or worthy of paying attention to, I think its a case of midwits being jealous of a midwit with more handguns skill than them.

>>64020990
Look I’m not that other anon who’s calling the airman a retard, but at the same time if he just tossed his holster gun on his desk and it went off; he was being neglectful. And to your point, why would you purposely flag yourself? You should be minimizing your risk, not comfortably accepting it as is just because “its not an sig bro”. Your gun might fail, it’s not impossible to happen.

>>64021002
I think you're kind of overstating seethe. I think he's an idiot, but the bigger annoyance is the people fellating him here.

>>64021026
So you’re seething

>>64021010
I dont know how the airman put his gun down but Ive noticed that if you remove your belt with a holster on it and then lay it on a table, the gun tends to be top heavy in relation to the table surface due to the ammo in the grip and will flop often facing towards you unless you control it. Its mildly upsetting in a gun that is drop safe but I would be surgically aiming my sig away from me or unload it when Im done if I had to carry one.

>>64021028
Not really. Seethe would be like a preoccupation with him when he's not being mentioned. I don't think about him unless he's brought up, and unless someone's being weirdly clingy I'm kind of dismissive.

Are we really doing the thing where if someone calls you stupid, you claim victory? On someone else's behalf even?

>>64021029
my barrel flops away from me but i have a 4.25 barrel so maybe that means something

>>64021035
So true

No matter how careful you are, you're going to flag yourself at least once or twice if you're carrying a gun every day. The thing is that if that gun is holstered with the safety on, it has been safe to flag yourself like that for literally 100 years, until now if you have a Sig P320.
Sig fucking sucks.

>>64021065
I will still call anyone who blows themselves to hell a retard. It being known to be unsafe just makes you even more dumb

>>64021073
No you assbackwards jew, having your gun in a Safariland holster is as safe as it gets. He didn't shoot himself, the gun went off by itself. You are either a shitposting faggot or a retard.

>>64021078
Sorry, no sympathy. Everyone knows the p320 is having issues, and he still handles it like it's a double action revolver. Dude had it coming

>>64021079
>Putting a holster down on a table is cowboy shit
Shouldn't you be bribing an Air Force general Cohen?

>>64021083
Look man, I don't give a damn about the crusade. I know the p320 is unsafe, and it's unreasonable to think that this dude didn't. He flagged himself with it and got a lead injection. I don't feel sorry for him.

>>64021089
This guy sounds like he is brown and smokes weed

>>64021093
I'm a lily white American, but I'm glad we've gotten to the point where your brain is misfiring

>>64021010
I carry iwb and my gun points at myself
>>64020994
nice bait captain-save-a-sig
>>64021065
someone with some sense

>>64021065
Again, it’s about minimizing risk you idiot. Yes, you’re going to flag yourself and other things you don’t want to destroy. That doesn’t mean you get to be careless just because it’s not a sig. Fuck off to your containment thread you absolute retard.

>>64021100
Having it holstered with a safety on is minimizing risk, weednigger.

>>64021105
No, you fag, you always do all the safety rules. The muzzle rule is like the first and most important rule to follow

>>64021089
Something tells me you're gonna start screaming about zogbots after your argument about flagging is invalidated once again by basic facts, like how a pistol with a safety shouldn't go off in a holster.

>>64021110
No, because I have an IQ above room temperature. Your holster or safety do not negate the rules of firearms. Sure, we probably all break them from time to time, but this fag died for it and that's a lol

>>64021105
Take your meds, I’m not the one insulting the airman. I’m just calling you a retard for thinking you can be careless with a fucking firearm you fucking non-thinking ape.

>>64021115
You think guns normally go off unprompted. Your IQ number features in 101 Dalmatians.

>>64021115
The rule about never flagging yourself doesn't apply when the gun is holstered in a kydex holster with a manual safety. The rule about not flagging yourself is for when the gun is in your hand, ready to fire. Everyone knows this, including you.

>>64018849
>backcountry
>hollowpoint
Total meme. Get something actually designed to penetrate thick hides and bones instead, like G9 or Lehigh/Underwood copper monolithics, or Buffalo Bore lead hardcast.

>>64018810
If these are your criteria, you would be much better served by CZ’s more reliable, more ergonomic, cheaper P-10. Some have a reversible mag release rather than an ambi one, but having one of the best striker pistol triggers on the market instead of FN’s finger biter 5000 more than makes up for this.

Imagine being such a shitposting faggot you're willing to shit on a dead man. New low, honestly. It won't be forgotten.

>>64021123
Where did I say that? I think I've been upfront about the p320 being unsafe BUT I think that just makes the airman more of an idiot.

>>64021134
You're saying it here right now for calling someone an idiot for dying to a gun that went off with an internal safety, in a holster and no trigger pull.

>>64021133
It's 4chan. Did you really think we have values?

>>64021141
Yeah, I'm saying that if you know it's unsafe and has already gone off in holsters with the safety on YOU are the moron for not being extremely careful with it. I'm not defending Sig, I'm calling the airman stupid.

>>64021127
>>64021130
The rules always apply. Are you fucking serious?

>>64021148
So the airman is stupid for following what he was told about the gun, that it doesn't go off? You're calling a man an idiot for trusting his superiors and the company that says its safe.

>>64021142
Yes. If you are still in your haha edgy phase you are underage or mentally underaged. Go back to /b/. Or if you’re a nihilist you should just be killed.

P320 HYSTERIA

>>64021152
Yeah, I'm calling him stupid when the entire internet and most of the armed service is shittalking the pistol for these exact problems. His negligence or ignorance is his problem. Or it was lol

>>64021151
Are you serious? Guns shouldn't go off in a holster with a safety for this exact reason.

>>64021148
Shit take. Most people who are not into firearms are unaware of the issues with the 320.

>>64021160
Yeah well if your Mom gets into a car accident and her seatbelt fails due to a manufacturing defect shes a dumb bitch for getting in an accident.

>>64021172
She would be if she already knew about it.

>>64018405
I called my congressman about this. The guy said they were unaware of the 320 drama completely but will look into it. I'm sure they were just bullshitting but hopefully they take it seriously.

>>64021176
No shes a dumb bitch who should know proper road rules.

>>64021151
No, retard, the rules don't apply when the gun isn't actively being used. If you have the gun in your hand you shouldn't point it at anyone. If you have a gun in a holster, with both an internal and external safety acting on it, and you put the gun on a table, it really doesn't matter if the gun is pointed at anything because it shouldn't go off.
If your gun is in a safe, unloaded, and you walk by it so it's pointing at you for 1 second, are you an unsafe retard? You obviously don't own or carry guns. You're going to flag yourself at some point but it won't matter because it will be in situations where the gun is safe.

>>64021181
If she continued to drive a car with a known seatbelt issue AND THEN drove in a way that put her in a situation for that to fail. Yes, that is what I am essentially saying

>>64021189
Post gun.

>>64021189
So your entire retarded argument relies on something you don't know. You realize that both Sig and the US military said their issued military M18s are safe right?

>>64021163
You are trusting the safeties to never fail. This is very wrong.

>>64021188
Holy fuck, you’re stupid. Loaded and in a holster is not the same as unloaded and in securely in a safe. Yes, the rules apply if you’re handling the fucking gun.


Where are you retards crawling out from?

>>64021176
>>64021189
Post your gun, bro.

>>64021195
Legally they shouldn't be failing

>>64021203
You said the rules always apply, now all of a sudden the rules don't always apply?
Post gun.

>>64021203
Post your gun

>>64021206
>legally
I agree, but they can fail. Which why you should observe all the rules when handling a firearm. I dont understand why this so controversial. Firearms are dangerous, and require attention and respect when handling them.

>>64021219
Post gun.

>>64021219
Post your gun

>>64021193
If he believed that despite his peers and the internet clamoring about how it's unsafe practically all the time, he was either ignorant or an idiot.

>>64021191
>>64021206
Oh is it the gun check? Here's my gun, had to take a pic just now.

>>64021219
You can hurl a glock off a roof and it wont go off. There is absolutely no reason a bolstered firearm should be going bang.

>>64021211
Ok, I was wrong for saying the rules always apply. But that’s not what’s actually the issue here. When handling a firearm, you should always observe the rules.

You win on semantics, but youre wrong for thinking it’s okay to break the rules just because the safeties shouldn’t fail. Yes, you are going to flag yourself and others, but the point is to minimize risk not completely eliminate them.

>>64021240
He minimized the risk by having the gun in a holster with the safety on, nigger.

Lawyers love retards like this sig defender, they're free money

>>64021246
Nobody is defending sig. Some people are ragging on the airman

>>64021234
>You can hurl a glock off a roof and it wont go off
Sure, I agree. But should you be tossing your glock off a roof?

>>64021252
It's just one retard, probably you since only a retard like you would try to convince people there are people other than you defending Sig

>>64021252
>Some people
You mean you?

>>64021253
Guys he's just trying to change the argument completely now. Absolutely destroyed.

>>64021253
If its legally supposed to handle that under penalty of legal action why not?

>>64021242
Then how did it kill him, retard? The gun pointed itself at him?

I keep catching myself staring longingly at the RAMI, is it worth it, or have they replaced it with better options?

>>64021261
>>64021257
>multiple posts sometimes less than a minute apart
Sure dude

>>64021272
Meds

there is literally nobody in this thread sticking up for sig. get your act together

>>64021285
>Uses Sigs arguments to the letter

>>64020730
i dont watch ben for the shooting content, i watch ben for the drama content

>>64021279
>>64021283
You fucking idiots, even if I was insinuating you were samefag why would I do it with the fucking post timer?

>>64021271
A lot of people had issues with the RAMI, and CZ discontinued it as a result, mostly failures to feed. With that being said, most people still liked the RAMI and wanted to make it work, mostly because it's a unicorn, being a small, steel DA/SA 9. If you get one, polish up the feed ramp and find a good loading for it. I'd guess it likes the spicier euro stuff.

The sigger is desperate

>>64021293
What are you implying then?

>>64021298
>steel
Frame was alloy, sorry.

>>64021304
I'm implying there's more than one fag arguing with you, dumbass. Holy shit I sometimes forget you guys are actual children sometimes

>>64021271
I think they're cool, but ended up going with a p2000sk. Pretty similar.
>have they replaced it with better options
da/sa compact production has been at a standstill for at least 15 years, it's pretty sad

>>64021312
Huh? You just complained about multiple people replying to you.

>>64021219
quick to jump to blaming the airman (if he wasnt aware of the 320's reputation then whatever), but your argument is fundamentally correct i dont know why everyone is getting uppity about this

>>64021314
No I didnt. Is english not your first language? Are you just bad at following a conversation?

>>64021315
Nothing is guaranteed blah blah blah, have we gotten our 16 year old thoughts out now?

>>64021262
You’re really stupid, you know that. The point is, you are breaking the fucking rules

I would never carry P320. And I’m not defending it either. It’s clearly unsafe and a gamble to carry it.

Both of the following things can be true
The p320 is an unsafe gun that goes off on its own
The airman's actions were negligent

Now he's gaslighting and same flagging.
Wild.

>>64021315
You are confusing me with someone else, all I did was ask if the airman’s action contributed to the incident.

>>64021329
This ffs

>>64021334
>same flagging
Please learn english

>>64021271
That’s my picture from about 5 years ago, glad to see it floating around. I still have and love the pistol. People do complain about feeding problems, but it seems to me that as long as you avoid using hollowpoints with super wide mouths you’ll be fine. Mine does not like Federal HSTs, for example, but operates reliably with more finely pointed projectiles including other hollowpoints. It’s certainly not the lightest or slimmest carry option, but there is probably nothing else in the subcompact class that shoots 9mm as smoothly and looks as good as the Rami.

>>64021346
>metal gun
I see you're not a faggot

>>64021271
The rami was a particularly bad subcompact, they aren't worth it as a "serious use" gun, if you just love the aesthetic then go for it but otherwise pass on it

>>64021364
>t. has never owned one

>>64021346
The only other one that jumped out at me was its little brother the P-01, but I know nothing about them or the other compacts they've rolled out

>>64021271
There's the Shadow Carry now, which would be a decent, modern alternative. But I assume it's a step up in size as well

>>64021375
>can't refute the claim

>>64020652
You’re talking like the onions consuming troglodites at sig forum. You’re probably one
>>64021065
How long before deployed soldiers “lose” their m18 and replace it with a rusty PM or whatever safe and functional option they can?

>>64021107
>>64021121
By that logic any IWB or pocket carry is a no-go. Any time you’re standing next to someone with an OWB, it’s a no-go because it could flag their foot or leg. Holstered is different than unholstered. You think you’re being captain safety but all you’re telling us is that you don’t actually carry guns often.

>>64021469
I'm not gonna pretend I'm not gonna lol at some guy capping himself. Sig company bad, ok yes, whatever. More important is some dumb airman getting blasted. That shit is funny

>>64021469
Immediate replacement is immediate replacement

>>64021494
What I hear is a dude who wants to make this about sig when it's more important to laugh at a serviceman biting the dust

>>64021494
It’s different, you know it. Carrying it different than handling the weapon with your hands. JFC why are you continuing to shitfling?

>>64020959
Or the gun UD'd several times spinning it around and pointing itself at the guy's chest. This is a P320 we're talking about here

>>64020885
I was neutral about him, but this convinced me to be a fan

>>64021530
If that happened, it's even better. Imagine how dumb you have to be to let that happen

>>64021505
>backflips, tries to make an edgy joke to relate to me
You don’t know me at all and your guerrilla PR campaign isn’t working.
>>64021522
Because from what I understand happened it simply wasn’t negligent enough to be asking for death or injury. No other duty-grade handgun would have done this. Even if the gun had been pointed at drywall it could have killed someone on the other side because they go off RANDOMLY even in duty holsters.

>>64021538
If you really think everyone who isn't shedding a tear is some kind of shill, you need your meds

>>64021540
I’ve noticed paid shills on this board multiple times. I think what happened to the Airman is extremely sad. He would still be alive if it weren’t for this evil corrupt company lead by a foreign CEO. That’s what doesn’t really make sense about your posts, you’re posturing like some kind of ebin far-right guy that hates rank and file troops (and fuck that opinion anyways) but you’re cool with the Israeli-led company scamming the U.S. taxpayer? Like I said, you don’t know me and it’s not going to work.

>>64021553
Bitch you think I have political motivations?

>>64021555
I think you have financial motivations and you were hired to be here

>>64021556
Then you need meds. What a wild fucking fantasy that ascribes more importance to this fucking shithole board than it could ever have.

>>64021460
I posted farther up about how mine has shown perfectly satisfactory reliability because I pay attention to the ammunition I’m using. Would it be better if every single 9mm loading worked flawlessly? Of course. But does this mean it can’t be a “serious use” gun? Not at all. Ammunition compatibility limitations can easily be identified and dealt with if you’re shooting enough to be a proficient shooter in the first place. According to CZ, the Rami even has professional use in certain Czech police units. If police adoption doesn’t show that a subcompact firearm is a “serious” choice, then I don’t know what would.

>>64021553
Wow
Who could have thought getting the cheapest workers possible would ever lead to bad quality!
>>64021546
Confirmed safer than a 320
Never goes off unless dropped

EVERY ONE STOP

HE POSTED A SECOND SIG VIDEO

You can ignore all the gun safety rules with a Glock, Beretta, Walther, CZ, FN, HK, Ruger, etc, and still be better off than doing the same with a fucking Nig P320. At least they don't go off when set on tables. I can chuck a Beretta 92 down a flight of stairs 100 times over and be confident it won't fire, because it's not made in fucking India. Siggers can't say the same.

A gun that remains safe no matter how stupid the user is, is a good gun. A gun that remains dangerous no matter how careful the user is, is a bad gun.

>>64021553
>I've noticed paid shills
I know we're on the board with guys suffering from lead poisoning, but you can't really believe that you, Typical 4chan user aged 20 to mid 30s who has no background in understanding how a corporation or government agency might try to influence the public, is picking out anonymous posters as malign influences

>>64021569
I should further add that we’re talking about professional adoption in a developed European country specifically known for having robust manufacturing capabilities and firearms expertise and culture, not some tinpot thirdie shitheap.

>>64021580
nobody is saying the p320 is a safe gun

>>64021569
> mine has shown perfectly satisfactory reliability because I pay attention to the ammunition I’m using. Would it be better if every single 9mm loading worked flawlessly?
A 1942 German pocket gun made for second line personnel and staff officers was picked up by a retard in modern day. Fed cheap ammo, fed squibbing ammo, fed JHP and high power swc and never jammed

What does it mean if a modern gun has less ammo compatibility and more hazardous ammo types than an 80 year old service pistol that wasn’t meant for front line?

Anyone know where I could find a beretta that has the vertex grip without the fugly rail? Did they even make one?

>>64021586
Don’t you try to gaslight me. PACs have been caught raiding boards before, it’s not a stretch to assume a company would adopt the same tactic via a contractor considering it would be easily deniable with low overhead and they have a vested interest in influencing public perception of their products.

>>64021597
There was only one variant, the 92X compact railless, discontinued. They come up for sale time to time but very rarely.

The original vertecs had unobtrusive single slot rails like the M9A1.

>>64021602
That could be true, but it wouldn't make you actually capable of noticing the difference between an agent of subterfuge, someone who disagrees with you, and someone just out for a giggle. The fact that you seemingly didn't understand I was calling you an unqualified dumbass kinda proves my point

>>64018405
There are already at least 3 confirmed fatalities from these holstered sigcidents.
One of them being an airman from the incident in that air force document.

>>64021612
If there were any justice in the world, the assholes who trialed and adopted the M18 / M17 would be court martialed for whatever the military equivalence of criminal negligence happens to be

>>64021595
It doesn’t really mean anything in the context of what a “serious” (which I take to mean “practically useful”) firearm is. Firearm choice is a nuanced topic, and one can identify strengths and weaknesses on both sides of nearly every comparison. I could seethe and moan about how a Walther PP isn’t a “serious” gun because it has lower capacity, worse recoil, a worse trigger, less magazine and spare parts availability, etc etc than the Rami or whatever… but I won’t. The PP is not my personal choice for those and other reasons, but if you practice with it and set it up for a purpose that aligns with its good qualities, it should be perfectly capable. To claim otherwise is to demonstrate that you are either a mindless consoomer parroting marketing propaganda or just generally ignorant of firearms.

>>64021602
Alright you're literally schrodingers dumbass

>>64021610
>>64021628
This is my point about it being easily deniable. You can always just call me a schizo or dumb and I can’t prove anything. All I can do is tell you what I think.

>>64021642
It's not an *or* situation here. You're schizo AND dumb.

>>64021642
>anyone who doesnt agree with me is a paid shill
you're genuinely delusional

>>64021597
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92x-performance-defensive-FA0123
Probably a few more in the store catalog

>>64021546
Best gun in this thread.

>>64021793
Probably most accurate too

Who makes a good 1911 with these features that's not Kimber? I don't want MIM parts.
>stainless or deep blueing
>dot front black rear sights
>bobtail
>checkered front & rear strap

>>64021915
Dan Wesson V-Bob/Commander Classic, and change out the sights

>>64021626
It’s automatically a more serious gun since it’s safe to carry round in a chamber.
They do completely different niches to a service pistol like the p38(also superior to the m18). PPK was a pocket gun issued to pilots, doctors, staff and flag officers that didn’t need a full size gun. Honestly a cool idea.

The beretta tomcat is the closest equivalent in a modern day pocket DA/SA but its superior to the tomcat since the steel frame makes it safe with +p and its much thinner
>worse recoil
It’s pretty light, even on +p desu

>>64021924
Thanks. My only experience with 1911's was a 9mm RIA jamomatic and Colt Government so I want to branch out into something more modern.

>>64021626
Also 3lb SA trigger
And the smooth 10lb da is good and much needed for safety

>HK tax for a gun made in Georgia
>looks like a Taurus
I still kind of want one.

>>64021979
DA
>10 pounds
Damn I must be really babied by my Berettas with 6 pound DA pulls. I had one that was 4.5 pounds

>>64022014
Why would you want a light DA? If you’re carrying safety off it’s your only protection.
Trigger is very smooth, just a long pull.
Probably does worsen first shot accuracy but I’m mostly likely to shoot at someone who’s almost on top of me.

>>64022068
This. I carry a 92FS in the cool months and now a PX-4 Compact in the warm months. Both have stock triggers with a nice heavy DA and I wouldn't want it any other way.

>>64022068
I dare you to shoot a 5 shot group at 10 yards decocking between each shot

>>64022068
Relying on DA weight is kind of dumb, as your holster is supposed to be your main safety where it protects the trigger from being pulled. Gun holstered = cannot go off except if it’s a P320, RIP. Hammer control while holstering or other administrative tasks makes the heavy DA pull not necessary either. The long travel of DA is important, since if you had a 10 pound short SA pull some how, it wouldn’t be as safe. The Glock has proved that 4.5-6 pound trigger pulls, on the longer side, are safe and it takes extreme error for accidents to happen.

Maybe you’d get better outcomes on the target with a lighter trigger.

>>64022080
Not him but if you shoot certain revolvers in DA, then when you switch to DA/SA autoloaders it's like easy mode

>>64022080
I can’t
But all of my follow up shots enjoy a 3lb so I’m willing to accept bad first shot for being able to carry safety off

>>64022082
> safe. The Glock has proved that 4.5-6 pound trigger pulls, on the longer side
Yeah but then your gun sucks since you have long trigger pulls nonstop. Meanwhile get a DA/SA and you can have a long pull for safety or a target trigger once you’ve started firing

Literally a carry and shooting mode

The 320 should’ve done a DA/SA where the striker gets a long and heavy first pull like Glock and switches to fast and light until given the striker equivalent to decock

Then this wouldn’t happen

>>64021979
>And the smooth 10lb da is good and much needed for safety
This is just cope. The da pull sucks shit on the ppk. Also, it’s more than 10lb unless you swap out the hammer spring or the gun is clapped out.

>>64022119
>so I’m willing to accept missing and potentially harming someone else
kys retard

>>64022119
So to be clear
Is your plan in a self defense shooting to waste time and send a rushed unaimed DA shot "somewhere" that could hit a bystander?

>>64022132
I find it extremely funny you regurgitate things I said over a year ago incorrectly and that I now no longer believe

If your trigger pull is the same every times 6 pounds even, longish, it’s easier to shoot than 10 pounds DA and than 3 pounds SA due to not having to consciously think about the change of trigger pull especially when shooting defensively.

>carry and shoot mode
Yeah, a compromise when SAO autos was seen as unsafe. Then Glock invented the safe action trigger which is half SAO and half DAO where the striker is precocked an amount and then the trigger pull cocks the rest. It takes alot of effort to learn how to shoot DA/SA good which I think makes people better shooters overall but a gun with a single trigger pull will be easier to shoot.

>>64022145
He's going to fire a warning miss, and then give the attacker $20 to go away

>>64022145
Yes, he’s a complete POS. If you don’t know, he doesn’t shoot two handed. He point shoots one handed. This is all for the sake of vanity and homosexuality.
>inb4 the gun was made when everyone was shooting one handed cope

>>64022152
I mean, that's just a matter of getting good

>>64022157
Hits in blue

>>64022146
Practice then?
I have a lot of revolver experience so it’s much easier to get used to. DA/SA automatics are just self cocking revolvers with different grips.
> Yeah, a compromise when SAO autos was seen as unsafe. Then Glock invented the safe action trigger which is half SAO and half DAO where the striker is precocked an amount and then the trigger pull cocks the rest.
Glockleg lawsuits, can’t be Mexican carried, can’t be thrown in a naked pocket, can’t, go in old, cheap, or leather holsters etc
It’s less safe than a 1911
>>64022138
Manurhin is 10lbs, new spring. WW2 has never had a light strike
Do you actually own one?
>>64022141
If something happened to force me to shoot it’s justified. If not I don’t want it to shoot.

>>64022157
>>64022159
Nice, kind of wish they made a hammer less 1911 in 9mm

>>64022167
You’re telling me to practice when you’ve posted video of you missing your first round due to the heavy DA pull?

Glockleg lawsuits never happened. When people Glock leg it’s clearly the fault of the user

>>64022167
>it’s justified.
I would actually fucking pistol whip your twink ass to death if you shot my loved one because you value being a troll over being a functioning human being.
This is on oar with dropping bricks off overpasses

>>64022167
I own a ppk/s stupid faggot

>>64022169
>If something happened to force me to shoot it’s justified. If not I don’t want it to shoot.
You’re really fucking stupid.

>>64022167
Gay brains really need to be studied.

>>64022193
He needs a lobotomy or the Dahmer treatment.

>>64022174
> Glockleg lawsuits never happened
lol
> you’ve posted video of you missing your first round due to the heavy DA pull?
At a target 10 meters away, from a draw appendix and instantly shoot in a gun with tiny sights. It’s deliberately challenging and I’ll get the hang of it soon.

In all likely hood if I shoot someone it’ll be a crackhead who tackles me at which point DA is fine

>>64022199
He started being more normal but then he just San Hyde posted “I will defend my life, it doesn’t matter how many men, women, and children are between me and my attacker I will protect myself”.

>>64022183
Unless it’s a Manurhin/Ulm it’s a knockoff, also SW made PPK are defective and reportedly inferior in ergonomics.
>>64022182
If I’m shooting at 10 meters it’s probably a mass shooter I’m shooting at and in that case you’ve got bigger problems

>>64022210
>when a static paper target appears to attack me, I’m going to be calm and make accurate shots
Unironically kill yourself

>>64022218
It’s a ft smith shitbag

I hope you’re just trolling, you’re going to kill someone with your faggotry.

>>64022224
They still are prone to manufacturing problems like this podcaster got but at least they warranty https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mrUzldCim-w&pp=0gcJCccJAYcqIYzv
>>64022220
Shot at 1 meter is easier than shot at 10 meters

>>64022237
It’s a .380 numbnuts.

>>64022237
Yeah, and the sun sets in the west. So if you have to defend yourself at 10yrds, youre risking damaging property or harming someone else you POS

>>64022239
They have have hammer problems, and ftf but I hear they fixed
>>64022243
If I’m shooting at 10 meters either I was a retard and ended up in a gun battle with a drug gang in a parking lot or I’m taking pot shots at a mass shooter
>>64022199
I had a close call once where I realized I’m small comparatively weak and if I ran into someone truly bad, it could get ugly.
But I carry now.

>>64022210
You're visibly struggling with the single action pull.

>>64022254
What hammer problems?

>>64022256
The first single action hits the left sternum (heart/aorta) the second single action hits the left eye.

Both of those are great shots for a failure drill.

It’s the DA I need to work on. And I bought a laser snap cap and target so working on it

>>64022258
Some were built with crooked hammer struts. Leads to weak strikes. To their credit walther put a recall and warranty.

Finance a 2011? Only 4 interest free payments

>>64022263
You hit twice WAY outside the thoracic cavity and both would not have phased an attacker. You then grazed the skull above the ear.

You literally shot three rounds slower than I can one hand bill drill and missed every single shot.

>>64022271
I never heard about this nor did it happen to me

>>64022276
Also your target was wadded up in a backpack? And you have multiple impacts outside the target (two over the head) clearly visible from the two times you tried and failed to do this for a video.
So this is your BEST run and you're warmed up.

new

>>64022307
>>64022307

>>64022276
You’re getting too emotional. That’s the Aortic arch.
>>64022283
Happened to Guntubers
I still want a PPK sd regardless
>>64022287
I noticed I tend to aim high
I fixed it. There’s more shots but idk if you want me to get drive.

Not best but by now I’m comfortable with Sa
It’s DA that I showed the video for

Because I want help from a DA ace which obviously isn’t you since you said it needs to be the same mushy 6 lb or it’s too hard.

>>64021925
Are you saying it's not safe to carry a round in the chamber in a Rami? Because that's retarded, it has a firing pin block and a DA/SA trigger.

>>64022365
Not safe to carry in a 320

>>64020730
>sometimes ben randomly wanders onscreen like he has no idea what's going on, half of these videos seem to be filmed in ben's house because he keeps getting called there to work on ben's guns
are ben and joel partners?

>>64022914
Ben is straight, his lifestyle is just teaching shooting, going to strip clubs, and his yearly sex tourist trip

>>64022925
that sounds awesome ngl

>>64022940
bob vogel does the same thing, mainly south american women