What pistol should the US military choose to replace SIG P320?: https://x.com/sigsauerinc/status/1948137073476571345?

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock
M&P2.0

>>64023369 (OP)
Bersa TPR9

Nine
Teen
Eleven

>>64023369 (OP)
This unironically

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock in .30 supercarry, for teh lulz.

>>64023477
yes

>>64023369 (OP)
They've got a gorillion Beretta M9s lying around, and its been a superior gun this whole time, they should unironically just go back to that. Or, the Beretta M9A3/A4

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock

>>64023369 (OP)
I believe that the Makarov would be able to fulfill all practical duties of a US military sidearm.

Is this the first death caused by sig’s incompetence?

Why does the army even have pistols? Are they even used in combat? A pistol and a couple mags is 3+ pounds and the corresponding bulk that could have been better allocated to 3 more rifle mags.

>>64023526
The Airman was base security where a sidearm is appropriate.

>>64023521
I thought there had been atleast two civilian deaths already although I can only find one with a quick search, a guy named Roman Neshin

>>64023529
For him, yes, but are regular infantry issued sidearms?

>>64023369 (OP)
Deagle

>>64023369 (OP)

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock 19 unironically.

>>64023369 (OP)
She could’ve avoided most of the serious legitimate backlash, and outrage if they responded similar to even something is generic incorporate as this instead of the whole “this ends today” shit.

>>64023369 (OP)

>>64023369 (OP)
>polish rat's morning shift starts
>chooses to pretend to be American online in-between seething on twitter about the randomly chosen country nearby of the day
kek

>>64023369 (OP)
H&K for quality, Glock for practicality.
Bonus option: Literally none.

>>64023369 (OP)
XM8.

>>64023684
>Bonus option: Literally none.
Given how 'nearly pointless' pistols are in most wars, just tell them to BYO ammo and mags if you want to carry one. Worked fairly well prior to most 20th century wars

>>64023526
Backup weapons

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock 22

>>64023369 (OP)
S&W 686 Plus 3" L frame loaded with Buffalo Bore 125gr .357 Magnum all copper loading

>>64023369 (OP)
Return to Beretta 92.

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock

>>64023369 (OP)
G17, G19, or G19X

>>64023369 (OP)
>several NDs leading to injury and death
sleep
>...on a military base
real shit?

>>64023542
No, not average grunts but officers, MPs, and medics carry them. (If there’s enough to go around)

>>64023369 (OP)
what the fuck happened again ?

>>64023499
>I believe that the Makarov would be able to fulfill all practical duties of a US military sidearm.

Even if you made black powder derringers the standard issue sidearm, the practical impact would be zero, you could probably count the handgun engagements of all branches of the US military since 1975 on one hand.

>>64023852
An airmen put his m18 into a quick detach holster and put it on his desk. It then apparently went off on its own and fatally hit him in the chest

>>64023852
An airman foolishly holstered his Sig P320 (big no no, refer to the micro-text on the last page of the manual) and then placed the holster on his desk (violation of Sig Sauer's terms of services) and the firearm went off (should have been expected when doing so many wrong things in a row)

>>64023880
this got a good chuckle out of me, ty anon

>>64023666
Daily reminder SIG does not even pay their shills anymore due to the money needing to be earmarked to fight all the lawsuits and cover the lost income from incoming dropped contracts.

>>64023880
>>64023864
imagine being forced to carry something that could maim or kill you. On an AIRBASE. That poor fuck literally died for nothing

>>64023542
Gunners are always given pistols. It has something to do with LMGs being too difficult to unjam in a pinch.

>>64023864
If he had followed firearm safety rules, he never would have let the gun be pointed at himself.

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock 45, or 47/19 combo for modularity like border patrol did

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock's AR-15

>>64023369 (OP)
Glock 19x if going by trial results, gock 47/45/19 if youre going for the best, M9 if you want the easiest transition.

>>64023369 (OP)
Tell glock you want a 34 sized gun but in 5.7

>>64023369 (OP)
Beretta M9a4, but in 45GAP

>>64023788
The ugliest of all S&W revolvers.

>>64024060
I agree, but u bet he didn't take it off and put it on his desk pointed at him.
I bet he was standing beside his desk. Facing his chair, took off, put it down facing away from him currently, probably had to do something away from the desk for a second, then went and sat down, now the gun pointing at him, and then before he could fix it, the sig did what sig does.

>>64023420
i'm not even a 1911 guy but this.

>>64023369 (OP)
>Glock 19, 45, or 47
>HK VP9
>S&W M&P 2.0
>Walther PDP

All good options.

>>64023369 (OP)
I want SIG to suffer financially so they should be forced replace all issued P320s with P365 FLUXs at their own cost.

>>64024305
I want SIG to suffer financially so they should be forced to recall all guns (even the ones not known to kill or maim their users) they've ever put out on the market and replace them with vouchers for competitors' products.

>>64023542
Less than 5% of the military is regular infantry or special forces or special operations forced (special infantry)

>>64024361
It's annoying how SIG has already gotten a bunch of judges and politicians to state that SIG isn't liable to be sued over the P320 thing, isn't it? They won't suffer from any legal punishment. Just the damage to their brand name. I wonder if P320s are still selling well.

I can't believe how retarded SIG is being.
I know its a huge financial burden, but they are literally leveraging the future of the company versus doing something to correct the problem. I know not every P320 is going off, but it seems that a lot of people who actively use them are having issues.
Doesn't seem too complicated to put out a bulletin warning customers, telling them to carry on an unloaded chamber or something, and coming up with an engineering solution. The last part is probably the hard one since they took the P250 and fucked it all up to have a Glock competitor.

>>64024422
It's unethical, but if they admit fault, they become legally liable. If they can get away with quietly updating their production process to fix whatever tolerance stacking issue is resulting in the p320 striker being insecure, then they'll do it. The civilian demand for the p320 will be hampered, but that's pennies in comparison to military contracts.

>>64024050
>died for nothing

he died for israel

>>64024493
da joooooz

>>64024517
Not a counter argument. Anon is correct.

>I always get my info from YT experts. Every one of these turds post vids with their opinions, most are biased for various reasons, in your case it’s hatred of the Jews. Need I point out how many flying “experts” posted countless vids on why the Air India crash happened? Every single one was dead wrong, the Boeing haters were the most outrageous. Did they post any apologies? Of course not. Now many of them can’t accept the obvious, that the captain shut the fuel off. Haters hate no matter what. Just like jet aircraft have become too complex & complicated so have these modern firearms like the P-320 and many others imo.
It’s hard to beat perfection but that never stopped companies from trying. More rounds per gun, faster cycling time, lighter weights, add optics, add flashlights, all while lowering unit pricing, on and on. Don’t let the Pentagon skate on this as well as city councils. They’re the ones deciding what to buy and 99% of the time they don’t know what they’re talking about and pricing is their criteria for budget purposes. Sig gave em all what they asked for.

>Last night on the news a pentagon spokesman said, “We contracted with Sig for the P-320 and variants of it. We have purchased over 500,000 so far with an average unit price of $210.” Me jumping outta my chair Whaaat??? $210???? Holy shitmoley! $210?? And you racist turds are blaming Sig for poor quality? Sig can make em for $210 and still make a profit? Wow!

>>64023369 (OP)
RXM or Glock. M9 if they have the chance

>>64024563
It was a statement, not an argument.

So what will Sig's response be when the military investigation finds that the gun went off by itself?
Are they going to smear the sgt for improper handling of their pistol?

I like how SOG's final shill resort is to try and force America to become WW2 era Japan and say "PISTOLS ARE NOT NEEDED!"

>>64023852
Holster ND of a P320, this time killing a airman.

>>64023526
Remember, it’s quicker to switch to your secondary than it is to reload

>>64023684
H&K hasn’t been relevant since the 90s. Their modern guns are dogshit. USP was so fucking kino

>>64024606
HK recently is going into HKUSA, which that and the massive amount of glock gen 3 copies very suspicious. Maybe the gun industry knew it was only a matter of time before SIG would grenade itself and a new pistol would be chosen

>>64024586
>RXM
Lmao

I want every bearded larper sig shill on yt to be endless mocked for defending this shitty ass gun. We’ve been telling you for over a decade

>>64024589
>Oh man I call bullshit on this one! Who da fuck points a loaded weapon at another? In his chest no less! That moron shouldn’t be allowed near any firearm. Unfknbelievable….
>Yeah, I always take my loaded gun out and place or slam on a desk while aimed at my bosses chest. Asshole should be criminally.
>Charged
>That’s the epitome of poor handling of a firearm. Bring in an experienced homicide detective to check that one out. Sounds like murder to me using the guns rep as an alibi.

>>64024616
>>64024606
>HK takes 6 years post announcement to make a stack and a half clone of a taurus
>comes out after the stack and a half craze has died

Chromed Colt Pythons in .44 magnum 6" barrel. Require qualification by all soldiers and officers without exception or accommodation.

THE PLOT THICKENS

>>64024698
Unironically go back

Why do they need to be carrying cocked pistols around an office inside a secure airbase in the first place

>>64024724
>cocked
Welcome to /k/, enjoy your stay

>>64024628
kek too real

>>64023712
It’s almost incredible how you are managing to post this dumb fuck opinion like 20 times in every fucking thread you think it’s even somewhat relevant. Will you just shut the fuck up already? We get it. You have not magically solved an issue and the US military is not gonna go “okay yeah he’s right nobody needs a handgun”.

>>64023369 (OP)
*AHEM

>>64024912
>have to put $1300 into a $600 gun to make it as good as a glock

>>64023369 (OP)
Just get a Beretta M9, like the M9A3 or A4.

>>64023486
>M9s
Retard, the reason they bought new pistols is because all those M9s were unrepairably worn out. They needed to buy new pistols and a big, metal DASA stopped being the norm for duty guns decades ago.

It really is remarkable how fast people swallowed Beretta's marketing push after they lost the contract. Yeah, the 92 is a nice gun, but who the fuck would be issuing them new? I still remember when it was seen as the clunky, dated pistol that it is, but all of a sudden a bunch of witless retards come out of the woodwork just blindly prattling about the gun with an empty, borrowed nostalgia. Honestly, it's worse than the 1911 boomers.

>>64024698
>siggers call bullshit
kek, rip sig, let me buy another rattler first

>>64024724
It’s so easy to spot new friends

>>64023370
This basically. Also include standoff devices.

>>64024964
Every serviceman who came into my store hated the M9… until it was retired.

>>64024724
You're baiting aren't you? They're defenders they're the reason the base is secured.

>>64024606
>H&K hasn’t been relevant since the 90s
Is that why its gotten all those military contracts in the last 15 years?

>>64025068
What military contracts?
The para-socialist German government who also subsidizes HK as a semi-state agency?

M1 Carbine

>>64023369 (OP)
>What pistol should the US military choose to replace
Do you guys think that all those Generals who approved this contract will be charged with corruption or even incompetence? Or will they get promoted instead?

security forces look so much more intimidating with SMGs anyway. just dump pistols for the Army's APC9.

>>64024480
The problem is that this incident will likely cost them their military contracts. The only way to keep them would be to admit fault and offer a solution...but then they become legally liable. There is no escape for SIG in this situation other than hoping that they can bribe enough people and sail out of this situation unharmed. What is basically guaranteed though is a massive tanking in their civilian sales which will only get worse as time goes on and their reputation gets worse and worse. I think they are cooked

>>64024964
>They needed to buy new pistols and a big, metal DASA stopped being the norm for duty guns decades ago.

Why though

If youre mostly gonna be lugging it around on base it can be a little heavier

>>64024517
This and unironically.

>>64024964
Because when you're issuing them to a bunch of retards, having a hammer they can ride on the draw and when they holster helps stop undesired bangs. For people who do actually use them like MPs, a big steel frame soaks up recoil and makes it a nice shooting experience.

The based compromise option is the PX4

>>64023369 (OP)
M&P 2.0

The only pistol to survive GT's ice torture test with flying colors (GLOCK LMAO)

>>64023542

When I was in the 82nd, M17's were given to all Team Leaders and above, however the Team Leaders ended up giving theirs to the Saw gunners, and all M240 gunners also had M17's

>>64024855
Pistols r too hard , bro

>>64023369 (OP)
The M9A4.

>>64025093
Probably pin all blame on some subordinate who will also seem to fail upwards.

>>64025101
Exactly. Just get rid of pistols entirely, serves no purpose, not even for MPs. Come up with a design for an APC9 belt holster and be done with it

>>64023369 (OP)
The only pistol they can buy without redoing the whole selection process is a Glock 19X.

>>64025078
They did the upgrade on the L85 for the UK a while back. Oh and there's that little thing where the Marines adopted the 416 as their standard service rifle, all the military and LE contracts for everyone that has a hardon for the MP7. That's just off the top of my head.

>>64023880
>Based SIG attorney setting the record straight

>>64023369 (OP)
Beretta APX A1. Modular FCU, EXTREMELY reliable as multiple gun shops and the brazilian testing for the bid showed, cheap, RD ready, different size grip modules to suit the need of every dependa, cool looking, italian, did I already mention the reliability?

>>64025026
>Every serviceman who came into my store hated the M9
Nah, that's bullshit. I never met someone who hated it beside pencil pushers who only had to do their qualification once every few years

>>64025822
forgot to mention, manual safety available

>>64025807
There has never been a US contact for the 416.
Some units had them, and hated them, as they were plagued with problems.
FN and glock have 5+× more mil and Leo contracts each.

>>64025832
>Some units had them, and hated them, as they were plagued with problems.
source?

>>64025828
The M9 was well hated by servicemen, and the general public until after it was dropped.
Rightfully so, people serving with the m9 and then forced to get the sig generally preferred the m9, but the m9 was not loved, there was massive outcry from them and vets to adopt a glock 17, or whatever the full-sized glock in 45GAP was called.

>>64023369 (OP)
M&P9 2

>>64025841
>The M9 was well hated by servicemen
Stop trying to sound smart when you aren't. The meme of the M-9 shooting the slide back at you or the M-9 in general being disliked was around only for a couple of years and pretty much anyone who wasn't a POG liked its ergos and reliability as my friends can prove. Especially in the sand.
>massive outcry from them and vets to adopt a glock 17
a bunch of soon to be troons SOF larpers like Beck do not represent the entirety of the US Army

>>64025832
M27 is a 416 with a heavy barrel in Marine Corps issue.

>>64025832
The M27 is an HK416.

>>64025861
Basically, the only ones who unironically shit on the 92 are boomers and hipsters that are still mad that it replaced the 1911.

>>64023369 (OP)
M&P because it's burgerstani and has a manual safety

it is so over for siggers. They're safe in nh but feds are coming in hot.

>>64024736
I start enjoying /k/ now, first time, thanks anon, I hope see a double barrel shotguns here someday

>>64025881
the problem is that those boomers who irrationally hated the M9 are the ones who became high ranking enough to push for its premature phase out and replacement.
Personally I can only say "serves them right". They took away from us the TWO GULF WARS! pistol and now they are stuck with the side project of the jew who planned the pager operation in Israel.

>>64025881
The 92FS is an okay pistol but it is unironically obsolete technology.

>>64025291
>this incident will likely cost them their military contracts
I'm pretty sure that "making a quality product that service members trust" has absolutely nothing to do with getting or keeping military contracts.

You get a military contract by slipping bags of money into the right hands. That's it. If you had a billion dollars to spend on bribes, you could get the military carrying muskets. And you'd have scores of generals and talking heads swearing on their mother's graves that muskets are the future of land warfare.

>>64024964
>big
Not any bigger than any other full size pistol
>metal
Aluminum frames are obsolete now? They’re superior.
>DA/SA
Is objectively the best option for a carry pistol. If the 320 was DA/SA it wouldn’t be NDing into people and you wouldn’t need to have regulations requiring the unloading of the pistol to make it safe.

>>64024414
They're not. No reasonable person would put a death trap back on the market, especially to an uninformed normie. Until SIG either buys them back and/or gives out vouchers to competitor guns, I'm mothballing mine.

>>64024601
this.

>>64024964
>every single M9 is clapped out so you have to just replace all of the pistols, trust me
You’re just being retarded. Plenty of them are still serviceable, you replace some M9s as needed, and make “new” ones by combining the good parts of worn out ones. It’s much cheaper. Doubly so because all of the bugs have already been worked out of the M9. It’s as simple as the fact that replacing a proven 9mm pistol with another 9mm pistol that doesn’t offer anything new was always a bafflingly stupid idea that offers no benefit.

>>64023369 (OP)
The military should obviously adopt the Kel-Tec PLR-16 because America and it simplifies logistics by using the same ammunition and magazines as the M4. Also, 5.56 out of the short PLR-16 barrel has similar muzzle energy to 44 magnum and you have a 30 round magazine so compared to the Kel-Tec PLR-16 every other pistol on the market is objectively utterly worthless dogshit.

>>64025950
>a dead reliable, ergonomic, aluminum framed, full size DA/SA handgun is obsolete technology

Retvrn to tradition. Can't put imitation stag grips on tubberware guns

>>64026194
Sucks realizing you have become the fudd huh?

>>64026326
But why is it obsolete?

>>64026356
>hammer
>metal frame

And this isn't addressing the unique quirks of the 92's design like the open slide.

>>64026194
DA/SA had always been trash, DA/SA doubkestack 9mms are literally as fat as striker/SA double stack 45s

>>64026356
The fact that all DASA double stack 9s are as fat is fatter than any striker fired or even single action double stack 10mm/45 for one.

>>64026370
Which is a problem because...?

>>64026356

>>64026383
Too high drag low speed.

>>64026383
>larger
>heavier
>more expensive to manufacture
>more prone to failures
>more susceptible to the elements
>more susceptible to user error

Basically a stock Glock 19 and if it had tritium night sights that’s a bonus.

>>64026103
>make “new” ones by combining the good parts of worn out ones
You do realize that past a certain point all M9s are frames with several cycles of replacement parts, right?
The "good" part of a worn out M9 is the frame, and when it truly gets worn out you retire the frame. Locking blocks are replaced as part of preventive maintenance, barrels will eventually wear out the rifling, and the slide by virtue of the milled out features has thin sections that concentrate stresses.
>>64025909
>premature phase out and replacement
It's been four decades

>>64023369 (OP)
>>64025804
I agree, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXDuKQF9kU

>>64023656
ew

>>64024414
of my last few trips to my LGS, someone was at the counter trying to sell or trade in their p320, not even kidding

>>64025828
hey i was one of those pencil pushers and I was delighted when I got to qualify

>>64026404
sounds like youre just a noodle armed bitc
>>64026404
>more susceptible to user error
lmao even

>>64025796
>Probably pin all blame on some subordinate who will also seem to fail upwards.
Cynic in me thinks you're right.
What a massive waste of our taxpayer dollars.
And no one will be charged with anything and no one will suffer any consequences. They'll all get money from Sig board seats.

>>64023369 (OP)
A series 70 DS1911 or 2011 chambered in 9mm or 10mm, like God intended. Add a series 80 option for worrywarts and fags

>>64026633
Is that Ben Stoeger?

My guess what's going to happen is Sig is going to rework all the internals of the pistol and we will see a P320 Gen 2 by the end of the year. Sig will remain adamant that the current pistols were perfectly safe because the discharges couldn't be proved in repeated testing, so they get to deflect blame while also attempting to appear like they listen to their customers' demands. They'll upgrade/replace all private and contract pistols for free, keep their contracts, lose a lot of private customers, and in two decades with millions more new gun owners, nobody will even remember it enough to impact business.

Sig's general quality has been in the toilet for a decade now and people have continued to buy from them, so eventually this P320 controversy will blow over.

>>64025830
That's a fat ass safety

>>64026729
>and in two decades with millions more new gun owners, nobody will even remember it enough to impact business
A mere 20 year setback, utterly inconsequential in the fast-growing, high margin and cash-rich firearms industry

>>64027110
It's a better deal than admitting they knew the P320 was unsafe, kept selling it, and purposely lied about its quality. S&W is still alive and well despite currently selling broken revolvers and vocal boycotts from selling out to gun control advocates in the 90s, so Sig will be fine. I want to see them eat shit like everyone else, but it's not going to happen.

>>64023369 (OP)
taurus g2c

>>64026421
>It's been four decades
And?

>>64026793
it's the competition version. there are also slim and medium versions.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/investigators/gun-maker-sues-to-block-washington-police-academy-ban-sig-sauer-p320s/281-77f3b16e-39fc-42a1-8e7c-bff999d86e43

>sig suing state of Washington for banning the p320

>>64026404
The M9 is one of the most tested and reliable handguns out there.

>>64028919
Lmao

>>64029008
Still higher than a modern polymer framed striker fired pistol, and that is before you use it in a dusty environment.

>>64023422
Superior taste right here.

>>64023369 (OP)
My buddy lost a P320 in a boating accident. We are now scared to swim or fish in the area.

>>64023369 (OP)
They'll just force Sig to recall the military issue ones and implement a fix. That's part of the contract, and the only reason something hasn't been done is because they can't prove them liable for a specific defect. Procurement contracts usually go both ways: Sig is obligated to make the gun and the government is obligated to buy them

>>64025101
>dump pistols for the Army's APC9.
makes to much sense for the army.

>>64023369 (OP)
Develop or buy a TDP for a generic 3rd Glock. Buy or copy the RXM TDP if you want modular FCU. Contract order pistols made to the TDP from a rotating selection of domestic manufacturers in 10,000 unit lots.

There is no reason for bulk issue small arms to be sole-source manufactured. The DoD should own the spec and buy from whoever can build to the spec at a fixed price.

>>64026561
My local gun website full of them for sale
> Price is firm
> 1300 extra into it
Lmao

>>64023369 (OP)
And only the .50AE version.
>But that's retarded
Shut the FUCK UP loser.

>>64024724
Well because they're base security, duh.
The place is secure because they're armed and watching over it.

>>64026670
>2011
Lol, suddenly we're not worried about being dropsafe, huh?

>>64023656
>2017 + 8
>can only take gen 3 glock mags

>>64023369 (OP)
one less sigger

Ruins an entire corporation.
Totally couldn't have been incompetence.

>>64026103
>and make “new” ones by combining the good parts of worn out ones
The entire military is a grift designed to make powerful people rich, so they will toss every existing gun and buy new ones because some investor somewhere needs his third megayatch with a helipad. If the Sig didn't have such a blatant defect I would 100% put this as a manufactured "crisis"

>>64023369 (OP)
MP443

>>64023369 (OP)
M9A4, using the money from class action lawsuits against Sikh Saaar

https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8
One little shot won't hurt - Cohen

>>64024964
>old bad new good
Well look what that got you, a bullet hole in your nuts courtesy of Sig. Explains the womanlike logic

>>64027293
Here to remind you of the Springfield and Ruger boycotts. The 2A community has the memory of a goldfish

>>64026404
In other words:
>Controllable
>robust
>well-made
>reliable (ignoring your lying ass)
>rugged
>filters idiots
What's not to love?

>>64023521
There's also a woman killed by s sig held by her husband. He's charged with murder but his excuse is that "The Sig did it!", literally

>>64024584
They make a profit by selling the same turd to siggers for $600+

>>64024584
I've seen blue label glocks go for $99. Doesn't matter

>>64023420
Honest to god, this.
It's not like they are going to use their fucking sidearms, so might as well give them something that looks cool.

>>64024584
yeah turns out when you order half a million the individual unit cost drops down, like how USASOC gets glock 19's for 320 bucks when they were going for 5-6 hundred bucks. its like some weird, black magic shit, nobody really knows how it works, maybe someone should study it. i propose we call it...."scale of economies".
hmmm. "scale of economies". doesnt really roll of the tongue that well. anyone got any suggestions for a better name?

>>64023369 (OP)
Simplify the chain of logistics by issuing a sidearm chambered for the same cartridge as the standard service rifle.

>>64026103
>The military should obviously adopt the Kel-Tec PLR-16
came here to post this. i should get one to ccw.

Let me tell you how this goes.

1. Detailed investigation that openly and thoroughly explains there is an issue with the firing mechanism in the gun

2. The report recommends extensive changes are made: to the way people handle the firearm..no changes at all to the weapon itself or putting the blame on sig

3. Aforementioned manual of arms changes render the weapon basically useless. Eg can't have it holstered and loaded in a combat scenario. Condition 4: magazine not inserted, hammer not primed or whatever the fuck way the 320 operates, and that's how active duty guys will carry it. A paperweight

4. Report authors become senior execs at sig when they retire

Just give up lads. You're stuck with it

>>64024943
The most no Gunz boomer post I've seen in a while

This, Cheap, Good enough for grunt work, Just put glass on top and call it good. Some many of you fags overthink this shit like suddenly you're use this as your primary. Cheap, light and should be made 100% in usa, The Sigs failed because sig was mixing Indian Parts with our parts and the jeets weren't marking the 10mm and 9mm seer. Blame DEI; outsourcing,of course greed and good'ol gobberment incompetence

>>64024943
Retard

>>64023369 (OP)
Just give everyone $800 and let them buy their own handgun as long as it's in 9mm.