Thread 64041448

>decloaks in front of your starship
what do you do, /k/aptain?

>IMPULSE FULL AHEAD
Fuck you knife ears.

>>64041448 (OP)
>goes to the Holodeck
>run RikerBethazedAdventure#2.exe for one last nut

RAMMING SPEED!

>>64041448 (OP)
>be the barber
>cut hair.

SIMPLE AS.

>>64041448 (OP)
All power to the MAC cannon
decloaking in FRONT of my ship was the last mistake these guys will ever make

>>64041534
>MAC cannon
based

>>64041448 (OP)
>what do you do, /k/aptain?
I rape, with malicious intent

>>64041461
>>64041514
Based

>>64041448 (OP)
Quantum Phasers to maximum, maybe fly to the left or right and a throw a antimatter torpedo to seal the deal.

Someone post the Barclay pasta

>>64041570
Here’s one I made
>Computer, I want you to recreate the early 24th century battle and massacre known as the “Rape of Bajor” via a mixture of historical records and late 24th century Bajoran propaganda exaggerations
>Now I want you to physically alter all members of the Cardassian Guard present at the battle to be exact replicas of Engineer Gilora Rejal
>But for their mental states to remain the same, albeit with the alteration that they now view me as a 11 year old Bajoran schoolgirl
>disengage safety protocols,
>Engage program

>>64041448 (OP)
Separate the saucer section with the crew on board and remote pilot the main section at warp into the enemy ship.

>Deactivate shields
>Deploy all escape pods
>Realize we didn't actually evacuate onto the escape pods
>Get blown up

>>64041534
kinetic projectiles do nothing to trek ships if their shields and deflectors are up. it's why they can go near c on impulse.

>>64041514
>>64041461
>t. Davion naval academy graduates

>>64041865
And yet literally every single time we see an object of significant mass hit a ship in star Trek even at extremely low visual maneuvering speed it's treated as catastrophic.

>>64041891
>Davion navy
It's absolutely hilarious that the only naval battle they ever won was when they fired on disabled Taurian ships broadcasting SOS and then immediately after lose nearly 90% of their navy.

>>64041865
So why does ramming work? A fat enough slug going fast enough WILL fuck up a shielded ship.

>>64041986
>The shield turns the fast blow, admits the slow kindjal!

>>64041965
shields down. (or new writers don't use their brains.)

they go close to or beyond the speed of light with basic thrusters, meaning hitting a rock will have gargantuan levels of energy. they got around this by the "deflector dishes", which as they say, deflect these sorts of things. when they're firing torpedoes at one another at near c or warp, it's the same things in that they're kinetic projectiles, but the impact itself does nothing; it's the specific magic warheads they use (magic antimatter or quantum mumbo).

>>64041865
Trekkies are lying fucks

>>64041448 (OP)
Just throw everything at it. Warp core, antimatter nacelles, every torpedo and beam weapon, fucking start finding staff you don't like and space them at high speeds towards it.

Anti-matter HEAT warheads, that's all it is. Torpedos shape charge on the sheild and blow the antimatter right through it.

>>64041448 (OP)
>Number two, arrange them a digital media package. Portray them as the onions wojack and us as the chad gamer.

>>64041646
Fucking cerebral

>>64042181
Tourist.

But yeah.

>>64041865
I'm not sure you fully appreciate how fast this particular projectile is moving

>>64041534
>>64041549
>>64042151
HALO is a pale imitation of actual superior sci-fi works from the past, only good things in the setting are the aesthetic unsc ships (tech inside is garbage though)

>>64041448 (OP)
>what do you do, /k/aptain?
Cloak

Well I’m taking a shit right now so it’s going to have to wait about fifteen minutes.

I activate the Death Blossom

Just stay on course? Smaller ships yield to larger ones, and if they didn't see this ship coming then that's on them.

>>64041974
the Marik carrier strike groups got cucked the most

one understands why the Jihad Reset had to happen, but the writers' hatred for warships meant they were mostly wiped out in stupid ways
the Goons got more screentime than the great naval battles

>>64042591
I have no idea what you are talking about

>>64041448 (OP)
All the TNG movies suck balls.

>in front of your starship
I fire the main gun.

>>64042771
ironically feddies would blow the fuck out of 40k ships in 1v1s
but their sheer numbers compared to the federation's fleet of """exploratory""" ships means they still win

>>64041448 (OP)
>be ship captain
>beam myself right in front of their captain
>fart in his face
>beam myself back

>>64042903
>he killed himself
>then had his clone kill himself
>then made another clone
lmao

>>64042908
to my last clone it will be as if nothing happened

>>64042510
Halo is cooler, Star Trek is a product of its time, and should have ended with TNG. Same with Halo and how it should've ended with ODST. Not to mention trekkies are power level scaling retards. Sometimes immitation is the best, most flattering thing about sci-fi (or fiction in general). Derivative=/=bad, because without immitation we wouldnt have mjolnir, the Halo rings, or Sgt. Johnson.

>>64042771
40k is for faggots. It is as bad as the star wars fanbase.

>>64041448 (OP)
Fire the wave motion cannon.

>>64042533
BUT THAT'S JUST A VIDEO GAME!

>>64042510
Bungie Halo is much much cooler than Star Trek lmao

>>64041448 (OP)
Hail it, it shoots while cloaked. It doesn't need to decloak to kill us, so it probably wants to talk. Go ahead and get ready to ram it with the warp go rigged to go along with all the torps in storage, tho.

>>64041646
Haven't seen this one, usually it's the lactose intolerant Troi one.

>>64041448 (OP)
I strip naked. I cover myself in grease. I order my crew to teleport me into the enemy ships locked room. Rape is a weapon of war.

>>64043289
Bungie Halo has not existed for longer than most of the posters on this board have been alive. Also their ships names range from middle school poetry assignment, to look how clever I think I'm being.

>>64044510
>Grease

Are you a scotsman?

>>64044520
Please do not peel away the anonymity that cloaks me.

> Be me
> Commander of most advanced fleet of warships in the known universe
> Enemy invites me to their capital
> Nuke it
> MFW nothing personal kiddo

>>64044525
Was only asking to better gage the viability of your strategy. Quoth Groundskeeper Willy, "There's nay an animal alive that can escape a greased up scotsman."

>>64044530
Ah, the only human to ever win in combat against a Minbari warship. Love his story of how he did it. The minbari had some tech that made their ships untargetable to human systems, so Sheridan got a cruiser that was chasing him to follow his ship into an asteroid field, and had his crew convert a bunch of their nuclear warheads into ww2 style magnetic contact mines that they hid on a bunch of the asteroids.

>>64044557
Or they were manually detonated and they eyeballed it, I forget which it was.

>>64041448 (OP)
>"open a channel, all hailing frequencies"
>"confirmed sir, all frequencies open"
>"UGLY! YOUR SHIP IS UGLY!"

>>64044557
Haha yeah fuck them boneheads. Nukes don't need to target much.
>>64044564
Nah he basically mined the asteroid field, send a distress call, bonies turned around to chase them down and got shown to the rice cooker

>>64044557
I wish I loved nukes as much as Sheridan.

>>64044530
this show is fucking awesome, i still haven't seen anything that can compare

>>64041448 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c55PtTyvfE4

>>64041448 (OP)
Fucking finally, I ordered pizza 5 hours ago.

>>64042903
Why not just beam the fart?

>>64041448 (OP)
Warn it that trek fans are pedos

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23994131

Star Trek fan Anthony Alleyne jailed for child porn offences

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie." Blogger Ernest Miller thought this claim was improbable. "I could go to a science fiction convention," he explained "and be less likely to find that 99+ percent of the attendees were hard-core Trekkies." While there may be quibbling about the exact numbers, the Toronto detectives claim that the connection is undeniable.

>>64041448 (OP)
Where did your manchild incel ass come from? Go back to /tv/ where your shitty fantasy filled fake bullshit only incels obsess over belongs. And stop spamming your stupid retarded fucking nerdslop on /k/. Grow up and get a real hobby.
>>64042510
Nobody but obese greasy incels and femcels watch shart trek. And only the worst of the worst of those greasy obese incels and femcels obsess enough about that shitty globohomo fanfic to post about it on unrelated /k/. Go back to /tv/ with the rest of your loser flock.

>>64041534
>Magnetically Accelerated Cannon cannon

>>64045109
it's the message

>>64042000
>shields down
Nope, every single time. I cant recall off hand a single instance in TOS, TNG, ENT, VOY, or DS9 that any object with even 1/100th the mass of a ship hitting it at literally any speed was treated as irrelevant.

Thanks for lying though.

>>64041637
>Now I want you to physically alter all members of the Cardassian Guard present at the battle to be exact replicas of Engineer Gilora Rejal
Based, O’Brian should have ditched the yellow banshee and gotten himself some Cardi puss.

>decloaks in front of your ship

What do?

>>64042510
That's cool, man. I didn't play those superior sci-fi works on Xbox.

>>64041448 (OP)
>"hey cap, something just"
>"Oh shit!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Da4AK7HUFI&list=RD7Da4AK7HUFI&start_radio=1
>"10 points sir?"

>>64045404
das rite
and when I'm done I'm gonna go collect my pay from the ATM machine

>>64042510
You are a pale imitation of someone with actual taste

>>64042771
Honestly just having the ability to do FTL without exposing oneself to the forces of chaos gives the federation a pretty decisive advantage

>>64042771
the federation is DAoT humanity on the rise to power, Imperium is tens of thousands of years into post-DAoT decline. Unless they're facing Necrons, Eldar or an Ark Mechanicus that happens to be hiding black hole cannons, they just win. Fucking trekkies

>>64046748
Warp travel in 40k is like Warp 1,000,000. You can cross the entire Milky Way galaxy in less than a year

>>64041448 (OP)
Transport a bunch of torpedoes inside it before it can raise its shields.

>>64046636
Cum
shid
cry

>>64046803
so, transwarp?
standard for any ship built past TOS.
though always takes juuust enough time for an enemy torpedo to hit before it can fully charge.

>>64047038
>ciswarp

>>64044530
Daily reminder he didn't just bring one nuke but two. He really wanted the Shadows to produce anime!
>>64045012
He's in the Orville playing the Union President which I thought was a nice little nod.
>>64044557
>>64044564
The story changes as the series goes on. It went from a fleet of Minbari to a single ship.
>>64044591 is the most up to date version of it.
>>64042510
Gaylo is what happens if military technology stagnates in the 50's for the next couple of hundred years.

>>64047038
Nigger even highly advanced post-TNG ships can't make it past a quarter of the galaxy within 80 years or so.

>>64041865
>can go near c on impulse
what

>>64041865
If TNG ships can go that fast, people wouldn't use phasers they'd just fucking launch a meteor with an impulse engine to splatter planets.

>>64041448 (OP)
Load all torpedo banks with tribbles and fire at will

>>64042771
>erases you’re timeline
nothin personally

>>64047109
the trip to the black hole at the center of the galaxy at the behest of Spock's brother took a few weeks at most
and that was in the dogshit enterprise-A

>>64041448 (OP)
>There are four lights on the front of the ship
How have I not noticed this before?

>>64048103
no, there's five.
try again.

>>64041448 (OP)
Fire the Phased Cannon Array

>>64048123
THERE
ARE
FOUR
LIGHTS!

>>64047559
What am i looking at here?

>>64042557
wasn't ship in picture a prison?

>>64041448 (OP)
Try to get them to join the war against the empire.

>>64048091
>meanwhile voyager
The writers just bullshit.

>>64048511
It's a timeship, belongs to some kind of time police within the federation.

Surprised nobody suggested lob pic related at it yet?

>>64048929
No one watches the Orville and owns a gun
>That's not the Orville that's from star Trek: the Next Temple or whatever
Who cares.

>>64048929
wait wait wait they fucking made Female Jem'Hadar?

FFS why?

>>64041448 (OP)
>decloaks in front of your starship
>in front
That was the first mistake.

The hull weapons freak out on automatic and turn them into expanding gases inside one second before I even know what's going on.

>>64048929
>fat
>female
>jemhadar
Fuck homotrek, discovery didn't die soon enough. Snw is good despite it all, lower decks as well. But discovery is the unforgivable original sin that birthed all this trash.

>>64048091
Newer trumps older, and by newer trumps older I mean of course TNG trumps everything and you're a gay nigger.

>activate and deploy all cache weapons
>break reality
>inconceivable collateral damage

>>64042771
Nothing is as consistently cringe as 40k fans who genuinely believe their fandom is the hardest/coolest thing in the universe.

>>64042771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sOyqsNNVBY

>>64042771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtQ7FzZG8lk

>>64041891
Hey, it worked for the Hogs.

>>64041448 (OP)
>>decloaks in front of your starship
>what do you do, /k/aptain?
Huh? Did someone notice a little bump a minute ago?

>>64041448 (OP)
>Fires Infection Beam

>>64042929
>and how it should've ended with ODST
I think you meant to say Reach.

>>64042510
Star Trek is fucking gay.

>>64042591
>carriers
ASF's with nukes should be a HARD counter to WarShips but the writers are fucking dumb.

>>64048929
The Founders have failed us!!

>>64048916
voyager was booped to UNCHARTED territory, thus the 70 years.
without starmaps you can't go max speed

>>64041448 (OP)
because falcon

>>64041448 (OP)
I rape OP and all the people who reply to his shitty thread.

>>64050997
What absolute horse shit the very fact that they can consistently and almost instantly figure out where they are every time a ship is thrown halfway across the galaxy shows that they can chart the stars outside their quadrant.
Your Fannon was never once brought up as relevant in the entire VOY series, nor mentioned in any of the several episodes where the Ent D was sent long distances, nor in the entire series of DS9, half of which revolves around long range galactic travel. You're suggesting it's not only relevant, but makes like four orders of magnitude difference.

>>64051033
What kind of garbage redesign is that
i have nu-eve so goddamn much, they raped my falcon

>>64041448 (OP)
Teleport over a lot of hentai, onaholes and lube.

Hit them with the Daedalus attack.

>>64050976
They legit were. Most of the kills against Warships were by ASF in the Succession Wars because the Warships basically had fuck all point defense systems instead relying on picket dropships and own ASF's to protect them.
Which later writers completely forgot they wrote that.

>>64050976
>writers are fucking dumb
>>64051769
>writers completely forgot
they weren't dumb and didn't forget; Herb just hated Warships irrationally

>>64051968
Wonder if someone should visit him with a shotgun just like Davionman did?

>>64052010
why bother? shooting a man to shut him up only makes him a martyr

besides, Battletech is a pimple of a hill to die on. it's totally woke and unfun now.

>>64050279
Based SagaBro, fire that Rhine Maiden

>>64052831
Hell yeah motherfucker, surprised that there are still other anons on here who remember that old series. Holy fuck I can't believe it's been almost 25 years already.

>>64041448 (OP)
https://youtu.be/ni8MURSwSZg?t=41

>>64041448 (OP)
Corbomite maneuver

>>64048929
>>64049003
Yeah it doesn't make much sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDiaro7nTM

>>64049003
>wait wait wait they fucking made Female Jem'Hadar?
>FFS why?
those time guardians from 3000 years in the future or whatever get super bored sometimes and just want to fuck with people in the past in ways that won't actively destroy the timeline but are still funny

>>64048929
As of this moment, we are all empowered. We go into battle to reclaim our equality. This we do gladly, for we are Womyn'Hadar. Remember: diversity is our strength.

>>64058961
>/v/ spam
Regardless of the content of the post, this is a 4 day old thread retard kun, and a decent one at that.

>>64042000
>>64046597
Star-Kek anon plz respond to your booty blasting.

>>64041865
We see a Jem'Hadar ship ram into a Federation one and annhilate it in their first encounter, would the ship not just be acting as a massive projectile? Why wouldn't a MAC cannon work in that sense?

>>64059096
There's a special breed of online nerd who spends their time approaching people not intimately familiar with the infinite details of some setting or the exact physics involved and trying to pass off a "consistent" vision of that fictional setting where everything is as powerful as possible.
Some even literally congregate and send each other lists of "approved" arguments to spread around the net "organically". They're not here to fight with people who remember their show, they're here to try to establish a kind of gay internet "consensus" with people who don't know any better about how strong their action figures are.

We see it here with 40k fans mostly. occasionally Star wars fans.

>*Sweating* H-HEY FELLOW 4CHANNERS, EVERYBODDY KNOWS THE LASGUN BLOWS PEOPLE UP, RIGHT?

>>64059604
Next he'll tell you that all the visuals of ships moving and fighting in Star Trek are non Canon.

>>64059626
40k and Star Wars at least though are absolutely, unapologetically fantasy settings. Yeah they have some trappings of technology too, but even the technology is more a specific "techno" flavor of magic, it's still all hypermatter compressor this and void generator that, as well as actual literal wizards and spirits and shit running around. It's pure rule of cool, that's the secondary point (the primary point being to make lots of money). It's kinda designed for fanboys to sperg about the extended works of as well as let some normal or semi-normal people have a good time in the occasional big mainstream title.

Whereas Star Trek is also clearly fantasy but it's a softer approach that pretended to be scifi some of the time and randomly put some effort into science on occasion as well as often having Important Messages vs pure simple entertainment. Which has no doubt contributed to plenty of autists over the decades treating it far more seriously then it deserves.

>>64059760
Nothing about the setting they choose to fixate on matters or determines whether they fixate on it or not, they just want to lie about it online so that everyone knows Superman can pee harder than Goku can poo. That's why they always blurt out something about the "xeelee" books despite the fact that none of them have ever read them (1/10 made it halfway through "Vacuum Diagrams" before forgetting to finish): someone posted about how they beat everything with their big numbers and time travel and how only cool big grownup science guys like them and now they force memes about them across the net.

All they really want to do is go up to people who aren't autistically familiar with something and go "hey did you hear about BIG NUMBER?"
Doesnt matter if it's a book or a game or an anime, in almost any genre.

Ram a fully laden Prometheus tanker at it.
Ludd wills it

>it goes unnoticed or outright ignored when they try to talk to us
>I'm passed out somewhere on the ship after taming some alien strange or getting there as fast as my damaged liver will let me

Hope my armor holds long enough to make a second salvo

>>64059760
Star Trek is also techno-wizardry.

There's never been a proper, popular sci-fi show because sci-fi is at its essence, about how (possible) technology could change society and people.

The average person is too dumb to even think about concepts like that. They just wanna see good guys and bad guys pew pew with lasers.

>>64041448 (OP)
>Multi-Vector Assault Mode initiated
>Attack Pattern Anon 3 engaged
>Now performing simultaneous multi-stage Picard maneuvers from different directions
And if that doesn't work
>Activate phased deflector pulse to open a subspace vortex at their position

>>64042771
never understood how grown ass men can seethe at stuff like that

>>64041448 (OP)
I laugh while sipping a glass of wine and tell them to fuck off back where they came from before they ruin my mood; else I'll delicately cut their engines and bridge straight out of their ship.

>>64041448 (OP)
>decloaks in front of your starship
F

>>64060878
>about how (possible) technology could change society and people.
Too bad it was completely wrong

>>64061627
Is that from Tenchi Muyo?

>>64061627
>>64061858
Oh, it's not. Goddamn the style and designs are similar, though.

>>64059604
>>64059632
The Odyssey wasn't shielded when it was rammed by the Jem'Hadar vessel.

>>64060888
>>64041448 (OP)
Heh. Amateurs.

>>64061897
Swoleverse comics were /k/ino as well.

>>64061897
Ew. Star Trek.

>>64061885
Sol Bianca

>>64061892
It absolutely was, being in the middle of a fight they were winning until they got kamikaze'd.

>>64061800
Kek

>>64041448 (OP)
>decloaks in front of your starship
>what do you do, /k/aptain?

Daww. it's soo tiny and cute.

try to get it to surrender, it might make a nice little day cruiser.

>>64041448 (OP)
Perfect.
Give them a macro-cannon broadside.
Alert terminator boarding parties to prepare for immanent boarding action.
Order teleportarium to begin boarding operations the moment their shields falter.
Deploy fighter wings to clear a route for gunship and bomber runs on enemy hull.
Send sitrep to high command to avail them to the disposition of ourselves and our enemy.
Load torpedoes for contingent actions pending the success of the boarding action.

ALL HANDS, PREPARE FOR BOARDING ACTION, REPEL ALL BOARDERS.
NO QUARTER, THE IMPERIUM EXPECTS EACH MAN TO DO HIS DUTY.

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

>>64065134
>Give them a macro-cannon broadside.
Lmao this total retard's first thought is to turn his ship sideways when someone's in front of him.

>>64065273
>bringing your weapons to bear on an enemy is bad because..... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OK?

>>64065273
Depending on speed, wouldn't it work to make a minor course correction so the two ships pass alongside one another?

>>64065341
>His ship has no foreword facing weapons
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA

>>64065373
Unless the cloaked ship was planning on ramming you after giving you enough warning to get out of the way, either you're at full stop or it's moving backwards as fast as you're moving forwards.

>>64045109
that line of thinking is why you'll never move past lieutenant, anon

>>64062105
>odyssey is getting fucking rocked by the attack ships, single shot to the nacelle is enough to knock it out
>runabouts receive barely any damage from the same weapons
This always bothered me. I know you cant kill most of the main cast but Dax and co should've at least been on a full sized ship (nebula class maybe?) or been kn the odyssey themselves and be forced to escape back through the wormhole in shuttlecraft to prove how deadly dominion ships are.

>>64048929
Maybe all that mass is pure muscle. Plus, extra weight can be an advantage in unarmed combat so it won't lose any leadership duels.

>>64046636
>TFW you didn't realize I mined the island all your ships are docked on with nukes
>"Yes, your ships are very impressive in the air, or in space. But at this moment, they are on the ground."
>"What are you going to do, blow up the island?"
>"Actually, now that you mention it..."

>>64041448 (OP)
>i will be right back jack o neil

>>64065546
the explanation is that there's also an arms race going on during the war where they adapt to the weapons; the best example is the breen energy dampening weapon, where they do quickly adapt.

the alpha quadrant lacking exposure to dominion directed energy weapons and the frequencies they operate will be why. early on, they would have been functionally bypassing fed shields.

>>64065704
I understand all that, I'm more bugged that the odyssey, a galaxy class, can't take as many hits as an oversized shuttlecraft that is the danube runabout. I don't remember if o'brien made shield modifications to the runabouts before the ir mission but it makes the galaxy class look a lot weaker than it is, especially when we know the enterprise-D was able to withstand fire from a vastly more powerful and advanced borg cube.

>>64041448 (OP)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

there's not much you can do against scimitar in trek; if you've got no plot armor, it's far too overpowered outside of stuff like a borg cube. it touches on a problem trek often ran into, especially later on where they'd make big and scary ships that will no doubt still get hulled by the heroes even though they shouldn't.

i much prefer stuff like enterprise and reliant or enterprise and a bird of prey (klingon or romulan) fighting it out from a story perspective.

>>64048936
why don't you own a gun?

>>64066475
So basically modern power creep itself crept into Star Trek same as so much else? It is interesting now that you mention it since I'd never really considered it before, but in TOS (including movies) and TNG (pre-movies) they actually were pretty cautious about any sort of "super ships". Things like the borg cube were terrifying because they were this rare overwhelming thing, and they had to win via trickery and thinking as much as anything. Occasionally there was some hint of a major tech advantage, like a bird of prey able to fire while cloaked, but that left the BoP itself still weak as fuck if they were able to figure out a way around it, and it's not like it had 500x the firepower either. Definitely felt a lot lamer as SuperDuperShips started appearing all the time that made Previous CoolShip now be shit only to be one-upped shortly thereafter by MorerSupererDuperer ships.

>>64052010
>davionman
>faction loses 0.1% of plot armor
>go to a man's house with a shotgun
I dread what's going to happen with the Wolves, god only knows what they are going to do.

>>64065502
>there's more weapons on the part of the ship with more space for weapons

>>64066850
the reason why the protagonist captain always wins over the latest deathmachine by the klingons/borg/romulans/whatever is very simple.
there's a time-cloaked starship from the 32nd century a few miles away nudging all the beams and cannon fire slightly to make sure captain protagonist and his motley crew survive.

>>64065660
londo is my gf's favourite character, and i can see her point, he's got a great arc and some even better lines, but i'll be sticking with bester, personally

>>64066390
>YWN GET STUCK IN WIV DA BOYZ

Just krump me in my sleep already.

>>64066475
This is why Wrath of Khan is so good. Instead of David vs Goliath, its Goliath vs David. Kirk should have all the advantages here but is getting his shit pushed in by an opponent that is reliant on his wits to win. It makes it far more compelling.
They tried to do this setup in Generations but didn't make it work.

>>64041448 (OP)
>what do you do, /k/aptain?
I fly an incredibly decked out Epta Aeolus-class Capital customized for speed. I have a fast, 360 degree shield that makes me go faster and do more damage the more you hit it. I run anti-shield AND anti-armor lasers, along with an array of finisher torpedoes with ECCM packages out the ass.

I can dance effortlessly around the Scimitar while delivering sustained shield pressure until it cracks, then before their engineers can say "what the fuck" I launch 10 super fast torpedoes and missiles directly into its armor plating.

Oh, and if by any chance the Scimitar, with its impressive array of weaponry, manages to get close to overloading my flux banks, my Aeolus has a built-in semiphase drive that allows me to instantly merge between dimensions. This state accelerates time the longer I stay there, making me able to scuttle out of its effective range before re-entering somewhere tactically advantageous.

My question is; how long does it take for the Scimitar to cloak? Because it might stand a chance if it can do it on-and-off like my phase drive. That is if it's only my ship vs it, if it catches me with my entourage that I go everywhere with, then it's fucking dead. I could beat the Ziggurat, I can beat Omega shards, I can beat that Romulan nigger.

>>64066946
Lmao this nigger actually thinks that broadsides are better than lances as cope for mounting ZERO lances hahahaha

>>64066475
>>64066850
The scimitar was impressive in context but ultimately it was just a linear increase of power equal to it's scale at absolute best. It's fucking massive yet struggles with the Ent E and two craft less capable than the E despite getting early free hits in. It can't even hit a ship with it's big fuckoff planet killer which takes ten minutes to charge while it can't move or fight the whole time.
There are other ships like this every now and then in Star Trek, hell even the original TNG warbird was a piece of shit pound for pound coping with massive scale.
Huge sections of Federation ships are devoted to things other than combat potential, and yet ships even bigger than them constantly struggle to keep up. Federation ships are just better.

Look at this image and consider the fact that the Sovereign is the most powerful by a steep margin and still has ten times the room for recreational facilities and diplomatic offices.
The Remans, being bitter wannabe Romulans, just copied what the romulans were doing: coping by making giant ships. The Scimitar would have been fucking obliterated by any federation task force of it's mass.

>>64068698
>there's a time-cloaked starship from the 32nd century a few miles away nudging all the beams and cannon fire slightly to make sure captain protagonist and his motley crew survive.
That would actually be pretty fucking funny and could probably be turned into a short niche but amusing video game. "STAR TROLL" where you are employed by humor loving future humans to enrage warrior races of the past with huge sticks up their asses by making humans in shitty ships come out on top of their latest megaship yet again without them realizing why. And then enjoying as the past humans send lecturing messages about the power of the friendship and peace as the warriors absolutely mald and seethe. You get more points the bigger the power disparity you pull off and the more sanctimonious the post-battle lectures plus you can pretend to be Random Red Shirt Service Man #1409 and join the cool federation parties they always have when done.

They take a few seconds to shields up, so you should fire instantly.

>>64070650
I am reminded of a time I played a custom map in Warcraft 3 which was based around the galactic conquest of the star trek universe and I played the Romulans and they had the Scimitar as their hero and there was an oversight in the game where you could use its radiation weapon without cool down if you cloak and decloak. I basically wiped out whole sectors and fleets with no issue as long as I had enough energy.

>>64070503
> Pather-aligned priests rail against you in their sermons; they call you a wrathful AI-conjured homunculus. Your destruction is a holy duty. It's only a matter of time before some fanatic takes a shot at you in a bar, or a Pather fleetmaster jumps at the opportunity for martyrdom.

>>64071507
>w3c custom scene
God I miss it so much. I had no idea what we had at the time, that it was a brief golden age window before corporate interests fucked everything forever.

>>64071568
Pathers actually don't bother me that much, considering I never use cores on my colonies, not even in industries.

uhhhh, go into red alert and gather all senior officers in conference room c to discuss the situation with very stern faces?
It seems to have worked for TNG

>>64046764

DOaT is more like Sid Meier's Alpha Centuri i.e using their star trek level technology to make man made horrors beyond comprehension like virus bombs, planet busters, retroviral genetic weapons and general genetic abominations etc. and blew themselves up.

>>64070650
I would assume the massive size of the D'deridex has something to do with the fact it's powered by an artificial blackhole.

>>64070452
That and Ricardo Montalban absolutely killed it in that role.

>>64041865
Well for one since that ship decloaked its shielding is severely depleted, and two MAC-Cannon analogues were in use during ENT in the form of Accelerator Cannons and they did the job until Photon Torpedoes did everything they did with less space because they didn't need a big-ass mass driver to launch.

>>64046764
In theory, Imperial Navy dwarfs Starfleet and could brute force any single fight by showing up with thousands of ungainly, inefficient, yet hard-hitting ships for every Federation fleet of a hundred, like if the Cardassians actually had the resources to execute their plan.
In practice Starfleet almost always gets to chose its terms of engagement since its FTL system doesn't send it into hell each time it's engaged.

>>64042510
HALO is Command & Conquer IN SPACE.

>>64073289
Presumably Starfleet could also try formally or informally help the Necrons complete their warp cutoff project, which would leave those two races with the only working FTL and that'd be it for everyone else. Starfleet also has a lot of tech that in theory is absolutely stupid powerful game breaking, like offensive use of teleportation or replicators.

Although a basic challenge is that Starfleet has centuries of trying to restrict use of force and generally adhere to higher ideals. Whether they'd get ruthless enough, fast enough is an impossible to answer political question. Though conversely it's hard to see an Imperium led by golden boy, who very much in canon believed in the Emperor's whole secular utopia plan, going to war with the Federation. On the contrary he'd look at them as something pretty admirable (and of course uncorrupted by the warp). He'd probably be trying to figure out how to merge the two or use them to accelerate taking the Imperium in that direction. The Federation's FTL tech along would be a godsend, with that the Imperium really could just go FUCK YOU CHAOS GODS and work to fuck the Warp too.

>>64073315
THE ONE PLACE THAT HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTED BY CAPITALISM

>>64073355
Humanity as of TNG is in the difficult to predict time-wise process of ascending into a kind of spiritual state with phenomenal powers, like the Q. That is in fact the whole overarching theme of the series, and why the Q are so concerned with them. It's implied several times that their technological outstripping of other races, including races that should be able to copy their designs directly, is due to subtle manipulation of physics, which is why that insufferable cunt Westley is always so "useful", he's literally a magical-physics autist.

The Borg, who supposedly "adapt to everything" are making functionally zero technological progress and at the start of TNG the Federation is already pound for pound more powerful if you consider the absolutely absurd scale of borg ships. This is because the borg are spiritually dead, they've gone as far as pure materialism can take you.

>>64073355
Tyranids would still have FTL, I don't think the use the warp. Their hivemind actually passively disrupts it due to the sheer psychic mass of all those minds linked together as one super organism.

>>64073315
Tib Dawn has more advanced tech than Halo.

>>64059760
I fundamentally dislike star trek, xelee, and culture shit because they are oddly more fantastical and less grounded than actual space fantasy while providing a thick enough veneer of bullshit that libtards reading such fiction think it validates their moral and political narratives. This isn't unique to the super soft scifi masquerading as plausible but it was one of the worst offenders for decades.

Ironically there isn't any genre of extremely hard scifi which depicts an "age of solar system warfare" wherein shit like nuclear pulse propulsion features prominently. You could actually make such a thing easily but must spergs like myself with interest in it would rather make a GURPS homebrew about it and simulate the combat rather than write a book about the 30 Years War in Space.

Narratives are fundamentally something which appeals to a subset of the population we know as libtards while spergs who tend to be right wing prefer wargames and never betwixt the two shall meet.

>>64075905
Just to be clear (and to other anons replying) I meant my post as criticism & guessing-explanation of Star Trek, not any sort of defense. I think it's BETTER not worse to just make fantasy stuff explicit and put some effort in keeping it self-consistent instead of just making up technobabble each week however the writers feel like it.
>Ironically there isn't any genre of extremely hard scifi which depicts an "age of solar system warfare" wherein shit like nuclear pulse propulsion features prominently. You could actually make such a thing easily but must spergs like myself with interest in it would rather make a GURPS homebrew about it and simulate the combat rather than write a book about the 30 Years War in Space.
There is in books, but yeah in anything more expensive to create than a book it's very rare. Children of a Dead Earth might strike your fancy if you haven't seen it already. It's pretty damn hard and set in one of the rare periods where that might realistically happen. But yeah it's a niche interest people like us have, and honestly it's pretty understandable. "Real" space combat is just fundamentally incredibly anti-human. You could sorta hack it by setting up a situation where the humans are uploads that can run faster or slower than real time, that's possible and would let writers both present a "human perspective" while also accelerating through the vast, vast periods of nothing without FTL, and allow soft-scifi like "endurance" for ships without magic inertial control fields or the like. But it'd be hard to do well and most audiences wouldn't care vs just doing it the "normal" way.

>>64075026
The Borg are weak stupid faggots. The ultimate enemy would be something which rather relying on others just consumes all useful matter available and uses it to brute-force crunch numbers for self-improvement. A von Neumann complex which exists only to consume and destroy anything which inhibits its consumption of as much useable matter as possible. The fact that Star Trek any so many other of these settings have technology which allows that but it hasn't happened yet despite a setting which includes very ancient civilizations then necessitates either a supernatural nanny like in Star Trek or Humans being uniquely irresponsible assholes like Revelation Space wherein everybody else seem to have cared about not destroying the Universe for some reason but humans just said "lol robutts eat everything, several times very likely, oops". And in Star Trek the solution requires the elder magic races to not be assholes or having counterparts who are assholes.

IRL the reason we aren't robot chow is likely either that functionally speaking we are utterly alone or that the expense of such complexes of self-replicating machines makes them not as viable as in some scfi setting wherein energy an useful matters are cheap or extremely easy to process. In reality creating a von neumann machine is so difficult and intensive that it is functionally no different from regular colonization effort and thus likely to be indistinguishable to both outside observers or the layman in the society utilizing them. After all if you can engage in interstellar travel you'd be following close behind the killbots anyway and likely dismantling them to make shit once encounter stockpiles of them.

>>64076002
Nta maybe the gay fictional scenario about awesome small robots is literally impossible. There's no guarantee that any technology can linearly improve past any given point like it seemingly always can in scifi.
Whoops, sorry, you've hit critical mass with your grey goo and now it can no longer accurately pass on its code, now you've got ten one pound swarms of bacteria eating each other.

>>64041448 (OP)
>>64066475
How, exactly, did a race of second-class citizens like the Remans even build that thing without being noticed?
I know Shinzon had connections to the Senate and had a ‘secret base’, but this would be like a bunch of flyover-state bumpkins or innercity hootrats secretly building a nuclear aircraft carrier/submarine with first strike capability and a cobalt-bomb for good measure.

You’d think that the Romulan state would keep track of the materials and specialists needed to construct impractically powerful warships, since even basic bitch Trek ships can seriously fuck up a planet.

>>64045109
>beam to enemy's bridge
>fart in enemy captain's face
>beam back
>teleporter chief simultaneously teleports you back but leaves the brownie you've been baking behind
>enemy captain, gasping for air, stands up exasperated and slips on your dook

>>64078368
Unfortunately for some reason all the Star Trek movies outside a few from TOS were absolute shit, and that seemed to go out of their way to shit all over whatever was actually liked about the very series they were based on. It was particularly glaring with TNG which was big time about diplomacy and optimism and so on, trying to turn that into stereotypical mindless summer action blockbuster is still something I find weird.

So yeah even by the low standards of star trek they really don't bear thinking about too closely. I guess you can argue that in a universe with molecular replication you should in theory be able to go SupCom pretty easily but then that raises the converse questions of "ok, why didn't anyone else do that already" and "ok, why did they only do something as weak and simple as a single Scimitar then instead of just pumping the things out".

>>64041448 (OP)
>So'chuq
>Pep botjan
>Ngup dah

>>64042929
DS9 had some great character development and we got to see the Federation at war.

>>64078368
>>64078524
If an adaptation of a niche franchise seems too dumbed down for the fans of that series, it’s because the people making think you’re dumb or are themselves dumb.

>>64046626
Chick who played Keiko isn't a bad actress but they gave her nothing to work with. Only time she was enjoyable was when she was literally a demon.

>>64073355
>Although a basic challenge is that Starfleet has centuries of trying to restrict use of force and generally adhere to higher ideals. Whether they'd get ruthless enough, fast enough is an impossible to answer political question.
A post Dominion War Starfleet would be heavily militaristic. I would take them decades to gear down from a war footing.

>>64072894
That is part of the in-universe explanation, the other part is that the Romulans wanted the biggest individual stick because they knew they could not outbuild the Federation anyway.
IIRC their idea was to have cloaked squadrons of four warbirds go wild behind enemy lines, this should allow them to overmatch enemy patrols, blow up enemy shipyards annd paralyze the enemy so they wouldn't simply drive a fuckhuge fleet straight to Romulus and nuke everything from orbit.

>>64078869
They never addressed that post DS9 the Federation were in a shit state even though they were leading up to it. Starfleet was stretched thin and on the verge of collapse.

Here are the few key points:
>Starfleet is heavily militarized in a post war setting with a population that doesn't have an appetite for that sort of thing
>Romulans are still at full strength and hold some "liberated" Federation territories and will likely chance annexing a few more
>Klingons are exhausted and having to rebuild their forces having at one point being the entire frontline so they are in no real position to help
>Cardassians are destroyed and their entire region is a mess. Expect piracy and/or warlords to appear fighting over what remains of their empire.
>Breen have appeared as a force to be reckoned with and don't like to back down from a fight.
>Bajorans going to Bajoran, with Sisko gone likely are not going to be as receptive and perhaps antagonistic towards the Federation
>Maquis gone but not forgotten, with Cardassia gone likely to see a resurgence possibly establishing their own nation and they will resent how they were treated by the Federation. Could even align with the Bajorans which would give them enough clout to tell the Feds to fuck off.
>Various minor powers who were waiting to see where the wind was blowing will seek to take advantage of the situation. Expect lots of small border skirmishes happening at once over disputed territory.

This isn't even EU stuff. This was what they wrote and even highlighted in the last few seasons especially with the Section 31 content. Dominion were going to have the last laugh here at how screwed the Federation was with the aftermath of the war.

>>64072894
It's massive because it's mostly empty space. And a lot of the non-empty space isn't actually vital to the ship's operation or mission.

>>64078368
The director of the film thought LeVar Burton played an alien.

>>64078524
Literally Patrick Stewart's fault, who in real life is more like Director Bullock than Picard.

>>64079786
The Romulans got pretty wrecked in Dominion War, the Dominion itself can't reinforce its Alpha Quadrant forces, has lost most of its local cloning capacity, and was reliant on vassal races for industrial output, there is no indication the Breen would be able to sustain a conflict against the Alpha Quadrant alliance alone when they couldn't turn the tide of battle with allies, and we know from non-EU material that the Federation develops a bunch of new tech from the information gained by Voyager's return and the Romulan Empire suffers a government collapse within a few years of the Dominion war ending.

>>64041448 (OP)
>Time travels behind you
Nothing personnel, kid

>>64059926
I liked the Xeelee sequence, though I skipped the short stories because I just greatly dislike that format. Baxter has some really gorgeous imagery, though he sucks at writing characters.

>>64080097
>The Romulans got pretty wrecked in Dominion War
No they didn't. They joined late after they got to enjoy their rivals knock each other about.
>there is no indication the Breen would be able to sustain a conflict against the Alpha Quadrant alliance
The point is Breen vs Feds alone which is a very likely situation.
>Voyager
Can the Alpha Quadrant survive Janeways genocidal rampage for more coffee?
>Romulan Empire collapse
Tom Hardy crashed the franchise with no survivors!

>>64080219
>xeelee
might as well be magic with how retarded it gets

>>64081900
Excursions into post-singularity fiction can be neat but yeah it gets exhausting and it's pretty hard not to run into the core issue that, by definition, it's pretty impossible for a human level intelligence to write something decent regarding strongly superhuman intelligences. A few stories have done a pretty good job by focusing on humans who are basically flotsam and irrelevant to the real intelligences by going into the galactic equivalent of ghettos (metal poor red dwarf systems and such). But ultimately it's just not very fun and hard to avoid falling into deus ex machina all the time.

>>64041448 (OP)
>destroys your high tech chud fleet with one simple stroke of genius
>>64041865
But would superman beat goku?

>>64082362
Yes we get that nutrek is woke as is nu starwars. But, yeah that's what the deflector array is there for. Better question is why doesnt it deflect the torpedos endemic to star trek.

>>64082382
Did you just wait for someone to post a joke and ignore all the legitimate arguments in between.

>>64065742
I chalk it up to distance and accuracy.
All fights in startrek are manufactured close and slow to look pretty, these shuttles would be miles away, the ships are moving thousands of miles an hour.
A galaxy class would be an easier target for correct focusing.
There's a lot of jousting fighting assumed in these things but you never get to see that because that's difficult to film and not pretty.

>>64082642
Everyone who thinks we should throw out the visual depictions of a sci fi show or movie should be beaten in the street.

>>64082642
there's an episode in tng that depicts more realistic engagements for trek. the wounded i think is the name, and they were in the 100s of thousands of kilometers. it's people looking at a tactical map as it happens.

i think that's far more engaging and better than what they show for the audience most times, but i'm a nerd.

>>64082382

according to the ever virginal nerds at Alpha Memory Photon Torpedos can match the shield frequency of the target and resist being deflected but their citations just list a bunch of episodes without timestamp so I aint finna fact check that.

A bigger question is given the fetish for firing spreads of torpedoes like a WW1 Battlecruiser all the time why don't they focus on carriers with loads of torpedo armed shuttles or at least ships with either loads of launchers or more massive and longer range torpedoes.

>>64084228
That was a legit key plot point of Generations anon.

>>64084228
>Photon Torpedos can match the shield frequency of the target and resist being deflected
Since "photon" implies the use of light waves that actually seems to almost make sense

>why don't they focus on carriers with loads of torpedo armed shuttles or at least ships with either loads of launchers or more massive and longer range torpedoes
Something something exploration and science fleet not warship

>>64079786
I thought the implication was that both Cardassia, and the Maquis worlds were dragged into the Federation 'by' Starfleet's heavily militarized forces, since even though the Feddie public didn't have the appetite for war, the Cardies were more or less blamed for the Dominion popping out and needed to be tard-wrangled for the good of galactic society.

>>64084228
The only reason the Federation used fighters at all was because of a lack of proper warships. they suck when a single phaser poke causes them to explode like a microwaved egg.

>>64084466
Fighters in the context of Trek are fast attack craft/PT boat analogues.

>>64084228
>A bigger question is given the fetish for firing spreads of torpedoes like a WW1 Battlecruiser all the time why don't they focus on carriers with loads of torpedo armed shuttles or at least ships with either loads of launchers or more massive and longer range torpedoes.
when you're dealing with reactors and shields, the bigger the reactor the more powerful the vessel. a large vessel with the ability to fire the same number of torpedoes as a swarm of smaller vessels will win the fight, since it'll take far less torpedoes to knock out the little ones.

>>64084461
That seems a more horrifying scenario for the Federation as you'd be looking at an eternal Viet Cong style insurgency going on.

>>64084491
Canonically, the Maquis were destroyed as an organized or effective force during the Dominion War and Cardassia retained its autonomy post-war.

>>64084809
They retained autonomy but also got the post war japan treatment on their military

>>64041448 (OP)
Cum. Dirty little warbird stripping right in front of the whole crew.

>Open comm
>have Spoorflix explain our peaceful intentions
>send Cid in a shuttle as an emmissary in charge of hugs
>request minionbot to assist
>ignore ALIS
>tell CARL to prime the invisibility field
>get myself some cake

>>64079786

Romulan postwar strength doesn't matter when two things happen fairly quickly post-Dominion War, first the Remans assassinate basically their entire government and briefly take control, leading to a massive power struggle after Shinzon's death, then lmao subspace supernova wipes out Romulus and causes the nation to collapse into warring warlord proxy states, destroying a good amount of their fleets in basically an endless civil war.

>>64069630
what kinda git wontz tuh get krumped in dere sleeps?

>>64084461
>Maquis
The Maquis were a literal one episode irrelevancy I fucking hate DS9 retconning.

>>64086558
>lmao subspace supernova wipes out Romulus
FUCKING JJ REEEEEE!

>>64089520
I would rather suffer the end of Star Trek a thousand times! I would rather the franchise die in agony! than to accept another movie directed by JJ!

>>64089331
Maquis were legit forced into DS9 as a setup for Voyager which proceeded to do nothing with them.

They then were used in several rather forgettable episodes albeit some of them gave us good Dukat moments so there is that before being wrapped up in S5.

I didn't know glowies are such nerds

>>64041448 (OP)
>IS THAT THE OBONTO OCP-209?
>WITH THE STEEL CHAIR?!

>>64089554
Cardassians being a near peer rather than a 100 years out of date "we can't deal with another problem right now" two episode frustration for the federation is also a retcon.


They were basically "what if the TOS klingons were bordering the federation and causing problems while the federation was spread thin with ten other issues and DS9 just turned them into the Romulans.

>>64091517
>TNG
>the Cardassians are a threat

>DS9
>the Cardassians are clearly in decline but still a threat

>some dude on the internet
>um actually the shows are wrong

>>64091598
>the Cardassians are a threat
Lmao a regional problem because there were fifty other problems.

One nebula evaporated multiple cardie warships even after they were given the codes to drop the nebs shields. TOS tier empire.

>>64089520
>>64089549

Then the dumpster fire that was Picard made it as canon as shit gets in Trek, so everyone going forwards has to acknowledge it. Fucking hell. Makes JJ look like Undiscovered Country.

>>64092445
>canon
nothing woke is canon
simple as

>>64092620
damn you only got the first half of TOS as canon?

>>64093149
>first half
Uhura first appeared in S1E2, that anon wouldn't have even made it to the halfway point of the first season.

>>64042596
bt lore is a thing itself

>>64042937
relax, everything that gets limelight gets an npc following, it's a real phenomenon known as the 'tragedy of the commons', like a real stampede, they trample what they claim to love in a desperate fomo fervor

>>64093149
There's a TNG episode where they say trannies are a government psyop and tranifying people is the same as murder.
Then there's a pro tranny unironically pro intestinal parasite episode lol.

That writers room must have been a warzone.

>>64041646
>computer, load a platoon-sized contingent of female toddlers, equip them with 50 chicken nuggets each. Embed into each squad a middle aged female as designated spotter, equip each of them with an early 21st century mobile communication device referred to as "smart phone". If a smart phone captures footage of user, toddlers start engaging with nuggets. Populate the program with cover assembled entirely out of 20th century pattern oil drums. Place open oil wells sporadically in a mostly filled state. Place an adult female with voluminous posterior at the end of the gauntlet.
Safety protocols off.

>>64093425
Which episodes were tyhose? It's been a while since I saw tng I don't quite remember them, was the parasite the trill ep where crusher doesn't want to bang the new female host?

>>64096884
One would be the Riker episode where he wants to sex the girl from a race of asexuals but her government gives her treatment and now she's happy that she doesn't feel like a woman anymore.

>>64093425
>That writers room must have been a warzone.
They just taught everyone morality wrong on purpose, as a joke.

>>64041448 (OP)
Depends on how close it is. It may get instafucked by gravity wedge

>>64042771
>/k/ hates WH40K
>Muh Star Trek

The state of homosexual failed MtoF troon feds on this board. Star Trek is just stolen New Wave SF adapted to television 10-20 years after it has been published. Anyone who basedpogs over Trek for being gigabrained, never actually read a book.

By comparison Warhammer is trying to sell toys and a tabletop, and is not currently turning the franchise into Gay Harry Potter in Space.

>>64099651
>Star Trek is just stolen New Wave SF adapted to television 10-20 years after it has been published.
Glass houses.

>>64098368
Yeah Riker even explicitly calls it murder as I recall.

A man's got to do what a man's got to do.
Don't plan a plan if you can't follow through.

>>64103690
Xur rules the Ko Dan Armada with an iron hoof