Thread 64053750

Rock, Rock On! edition

LYING ABOUT MEDICAL HISTORY: GOOD (YMMV)
LYING ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY: BAD

>Resources:
>Before you ask a question, check the FAQ
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>Free ASVAB Practice Tests
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>Fort Jackson Army Basic Training Guide (Nov. 2020)
pastebin.com/yg972vRE (Short version)
pastebin.com/53tsDj90 (40 page version)

>Special Forces Fitness Guide
SWCS SFAS guide
https://www.goarmysof.army.mil/Portals/100/Documents/USAJFKSWCS%20SF%20Prep%20Manual.pdf?ver=b5Y4cCheXzm4z44sO0JVtg%3D%3D
Stew Smith Fitness
https://www.stewsmith.com/linkpages/sfart.htm#:~:text=PT%3A%20Every%20other%20day.,of%2040%20to%2050%20reps)

>www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/index.php
For all Army SF info.

>www.airwarriors.com/community/
Naval Aviator forum with info on Navy OCS

>bogidope.com/civilian-to-guard-or-reserve/the-ultimate-military-pilot-career-path-part-1/
Airforce Pilot guide - just do AFROTC, political science major, 4.0 with athletics is auto-acceptance

>Should I go Navy Enlisted Nuke?
No, you'll get cancer and a prolapsed asshole. http://i.imgur.com/FZ0Q9q4.png
tl;dr: Two year long school with suicidal furries as your co-workers

>Info on sf86
www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf

>How to get way overqualified physically for BMT/BCT when starting from nothing
pastebin.com/yGzadpNZ

>How can I get more college credits while I'm in without signing up for classes
CLEP/DSST information:
https://www.dantes.mil/Education-Programs/Get-College-Credit-for-What-You-Know/

>What is MHS GENESIS?
www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/MHS-Transformation/MHS-GENESIS
calmed.tricare.mil/Getting-Care/MHS-GENESIS-Patient-Portal

>Do you go to Airborne before RASP with an option 40 contract?
No, stop asking.

So why did the last one was deleted? Chances that OP are the vatnik /pol/ spamming shitposts is high, yet again

>>64053897
Nay, it is I, LT medfag

>>64053958
>LT
>knows HSR
Something's not lining up here. Were you enlisted? There's no way someone fresh out of college knows HSR.

>>64054020
I'm older. Medicine and the army are my second career

>>64054050
That makes sense. Old LTs are generally the best.
Don't let that get to your head, though. I've personally had some shitty experiences with army clinics. You have some big shoes to fill.

>Applied for GI Bill last April
>Still haven't received my eligibility letter
>Call the GI Bill Hotline for the millionth time
>Get a white(-sounding) guy this time
>"ay yo where is my eligibility letter"
>He just E-mails it to me
>mfw
holy shit. Where was this guy the last 999,999 times I called?

Also I applied for a Rudisill review in early May to see if I can get the MGIB too. Does anyone know how long that usually takes?

>>64054072
Worse than that homie, I'll be an O3 in about 8 months.

anyways anchor post for med career questions. I know someone asked a question last thread and I wasn't here, here's the answer that I have.


>Been looking into 68p for the Army, I've search that this is one of those unicorn mos that rarely popup, but I want to know it it's pretty much the same time frame going to CC for the associates degree, and if they still have their accreditation cause I've not gotten a clear answer if it they lost the accreditation or not

From my brief search, you still need accreditation with the ARRT to work civilian, but your coursework may be usable for an associate's degree, and you will be somewhat prepared for the ARRT exams through your AIT. I wish I had stronger answers for you.

Bamp

For Army 11X, what are some reasons NOT to do Option 4 (or 40 if you're a chad)?

Holy dead

>>64056831
If you really wanna be in 10th Mountain Division or a mechanized or Stryker unit.

How many of you have jerked off in the guard tower

>>64055359
Go to college first. When you graduate, recrooters will blow up your fucking phone trying to get you to be a doctor in the army. They pay for med school.

Maybe a silly question. I hear a lot of guys saying recruiters lie to them, why is this? I get that their job is to get as many people in the military as possible but its kinda scummy. Or is it that the guys just misinterpreted what was told?

>>64060339
This
>>64060429
And also remember that tons of young people take on incredible amounts of student loan debt and get way in over their heads with it even after decades of other young people dealing with the same issues paying them off. Young people are generally stupid.
The real problem isn't just recruiters lying, it's that recruiters take advantage of that stupidity to get that many 18-20 year old guys to join up.

Enlistoids, remember your ABCDs:
>Always
>Be
>CLEPing
>(and/or)
>DSSTing

>>64053897
Last thread wasn't deleted. It just didn't get any posts until another new thread pushed it off the board.

>>64060339
I think a lot of these guys confuse the word "can" with "will", and then blame others when their dreams don't happen.

>>64053958
>LT
>medfag
Did that 92g with the degree get back in and get his reclass? I remember he was going for one of the medical mos's or something.

>>64064176
Fuck if I know I'm 00E, will be 62A in about a year finger's crossed.

>>64064204
My mistake. I thought you might have been him. Was hoping he put the degree to use and commissioned.

>>64064218
Yeye no biggie my g hopefully they check in eventually

bump and also i farted

Trying to commission to the Marines as a former soldier. Any advice or comments?

Trying to commission to the Army as a former marine. Any advice or comments?

What are my chances of getting a commission in the Air Force or Coast Guard? I am 23 and will graduate university in 9 months. Business major with about a 3.0 GPA average

>>64065450
Air Force? 0% your GPA sucks for business school

>>64065450
Air Force chances are higher than Coast Guard. That doesn't mean they are high. Good luck bro

I'm an immigrant to Fr*nce who is seriously thinking about joining the Foreign Legion. I still don't have citizenship because in the 11 years that I was here I was (and am) lazy, depressed and demotivated, leeching off welfare and parents. I'm turning 29 soon and want this to stop before my parents kick me out of the house.
I am decently fit, can handle stress (due to being dead inside from childhood abuse) and ready to leave my lifestyle behind since it's really just purposeless wasting of time anyway. I also got an entry-level IT technician certificate.
What do you guys think? My parents support my decision (of course they do) and it would probably only take 2-3 months for me to get in shape since I already have a headstart. My other option is to keep trying to find a job, but I live outside of the city and don't have a driving license, in the past 2 years I found absolutely nothing, not even fucking Mcdonalds wants me. I don't have the money to pay for one either since I give 90% of my welfare check to my parents.

>>64066617
You sound like you'll fit right in

>>64064176
92gfag got out a ways back. Last time he checked in he had gotten a job at a power company or some shit. I don't think he'd ever get back in.

anyone who went through jackson recently? were you allowed to wear your own compliant boots?

I already have my own Garmonts I wear when hiking and want to bring them in.

>>64066617
if you are an EU citizen and have been a resident in France for over 5 years you can just join the French army

>>64068272
You will wear issued boots in basic unless they fuck up your feet and you get a soft shoe/new boot profile.

>>64068272
No. You wear the issued boots. Once you get to AIT, you can wear compliant ones.

After a while though, you'll come to realize the issued ones are the best ones.

What are good resources to learn the pros/cons of each branch? Im leaning towards chair force just because I hear things aren't too difficult, but I'd like to actually know something about it. Something like the work I'll actually be expected to do, benefits and how to take advantage of them, etc

>>64068800
Also who has the best post-military outcomes? Pic related, since he is all over the news today.

>>64068835
an enlisted veteran is the vice president of the united states

>>64054011
This always makes me laugh like a retard

>>64054238
Firing 90% of VA works wonders. Cut the fat.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2025/07/31/the-marines-are-seeking-enlisted-volunteers-to-get-out-early/

>>64068879
>only applies to those with contracts ending during this fiscal year

>>64065444
>Marine
Go special forces officer. Marines mog the shit out of Army.

>>64065450
This is me btw. Another question: Would be limiting my earning potential joining the military instead of the private sector or another government agency? If so, are reserves for officers a thing just like enlisted?

Army 35S with experience in USASOC, INSCOM, and TRADOC. Can speak on a lot of SIGINT and EW/CEMA in SOF particularly.

Enlisted bros, why are you an afterthought for most of these programs?
https://youtu.be/PNVQICtqx2o?t=743

I came here to answer questions about surface navy but it looks like no body wants to join the navy

What's with people dying during their PFT?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/07/31/marine-sergeant-dies-after-collapsing-during-fitness-test-florida.html

Accurate depiction of military home life?
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1754222746471262.webm

>>64072058
>>64070937
Here comes your (You)! Open wide~!

>>64071929
Pitch the reasons and benefits for someone who is considering the Air Force or Coast Guard to join the Navy instead

>>64070338
im soon to be CAF sigint specialist can you tell me anything about what to expect
we are both in five eyes and our doctrines are similar so you might be of help
have you heard anything about how long it takes to get your clearance
thank you

>>64070338
Ever applied to one of the selection based intel units? Any tips for people looking to apply to one of those?

>>64071929
There's some anons who are commissioning into the Navy around here, but enlisting in the navy is often laughed at

Official Navy rate rankings:
>naval aviator
POWER GAP
>navy enlisted intel (CTR/CTN)
>SEAL (if you actually pass BUDs lmao)
POWER GAP
>dog shit
>every other rate
POWER GAP
>navy enlisted nuke

>>64073709
Apologies for the late response.

Yes. I've been to a few selections and interviewed with one of them. Biggest thing is do not self-select before you get there. I have friends that have been to these selections, interviewed, some were picked up and some were not. The biggest thing is they were not sitting there doubting themselves before they got there. The quality I found most in common and was told by the people I interviewed with was that they want people intrinsically motivated. The people I know who've attended these were usually some of the best (not hooah but the smartest, driven to do a good job, and overall people you'd like to have on your team) at their units but were hungry for more important work, more knowledge, and more autonomy, Most of these units will have requirements such as a minimum age of 20, 4 years TIS, and E-4 or E-4(P). Sometimes it changes but you should expect to get to your unit and start looking at getting promoted and doing a good job there before applying. But if you meet the minimum requirements stated from them and feel that you're ready to attend a selection or interview; just do it. You don't know what bullshit will pop up 6 months from then and now all of a sudden you've got a kid being born, deployment coming up or whatever else happens.

Now, I've seen people go to these units from INSCOM and from USASOC. Usually though people coming from USASOC want to be more "operator" or direct support vs. being purely an enabler (nerd) in a SCIF for a higher tier unit. On top of that, if you go somewhere like INSCOM, you will be surrounded by unmotivated people who consistently fail ACFT's, and are not prepared to serve in any environment outside of the NSA whatsoever. They're also autistic and not enjoyable to be around.

So, apart from being a good dude that you'd like to have on your team as your #1 goal, I would strongly advise you to get airborne in your contract as a 35N/P/S and get group as your first unit.

>>64073752
>not ranking SWO

>be me
>poor
>not that smart
>probably would only qualify as infantry
>have moral dilemma about joining the military

Shit sucks man.

>>64075359
>not that smart
>moral dilemma about raking gravel in a parking lot for free rent, Healthcare, a salary, benefits, free food, free education, undeserved adoration from some members of the public, segmented eyes, and breakfast tornadoes

Yeah we can tell you're not that bright

>>64075431
>not wanting to end up a disfigured, mentally damaged mess after being sent to a 3rd world country so Blackrock and Haliburton can make trillions of dollars on my back.

You're not biased at all.

>>64075541
What year did you time travel from?

>>64075825
The 20 year conflict in the middle east and the one in vietnam where the only thing to change was the name of the companies raking in government gibs.

>>64075864
Yeah man, so your second-hand advice is outdated and irrelevant to somebody joining regular infantry in 2025. Or are you going to hit us with that "2 more weeks" about invading Iran that dumbasses have been fearmongering about since Reagan was in office?

>>64075908
That is currently happening right now, but in Ukraine. I cannot spend 10 minutes on /pol/ without seeing another Russian redneck getting his legs blown off fighting to make more money for Rostec or Uralvagonzavod

>>64072058
>THA NIGGER MUSIC
>*beats wife*

This guy is based

>>64075908
"Just two more weeks"
I wonder if the same thing was said about iraq both times.
>it wont happen bro!
>lol bro it wont happen a second time!

>>64077399
Speculation is a rabbit hole that will lead you to the depths of neuroticism.

>>64077634
It's not speculation. It happened. The question is, when will it happen again? I think thats his concern. These wars arent to keep america safe.

is now a good time to join the marines
I have 2/3rds of a GED and a misdemeanor possession (meth) conviction. I can pass a pee test

>>64077919
You sound like a very concerned civilian. Be careful about whether your anti-war rhetoric gets you in trouble under the current administration.

>>64078157
>thinking I care what our Jewish overlords think.

Why doesn't israel pay our servicemen more?

>>64075045
See:
>every other rate

>>64074616
Thanks for the info. I'm actually a 35N who reclassed not too long ago, if that matters. My biggest fear is showing up to one of these selections and getting insta rejected based on limited experience.

Sign tappers on suicide watch after another 2 weeks pass with no validation of their paranoia

>>64078847
I dont know what sign tappers is.

>>64053750 (OP)
Lads, whats the current state of army recruiting atm? Im prior service Navy and have been out for years but im considering re-enlisting but into the army. I got out with a Honorable discharge RE1 no med or legal issues of any kind. Any advice or insight you can give is appreciated.

Serious question. I have a big dick. Is it going to be weird in the showers? I dont want some litteral fag checking me out or side eyeing me.

>>64079535
Any specific roles you have in mind?

>>64079535
what did you do in the Navy? i really don't recommend going into army, marines, or coast guard unless it is for a handful of specific jobs
t. navy vet (enlisted, then swo)

Question: the VA made 2 appointments for me. One is an MRI, one is a video call with a mental health Dr.

If im concerned the appointments might end up overlaping because of how long mri's can take what should I do? The appointments are 1 hour apart, and the offices are in the same building. I have a feeling they're trying to fuck me out of my VA bux

>>64081474
Yo chat, why is this guy asking a VA question on 4chan in a thread about enlistment?

>>64074616
>So, apart from being a good dude that you'd like to have on your team as your #1 goal, I would strongly advise you to get airborne in your contract as a 35N/P/S and get group as your first unit.
NTA but I just signed for Fort Meade before reading this post, what do? should I try to get ABN instead? My goal is to oper8

>>64070338
>>64074616
How do you like being a 35S compared to being a 35/N/P?
What are your thoughts of 17Es as a tacticool EW guy yourself? I'm not sure if 17E guys have cool peacetime roles like you MI guys.

>>64082233
WAGMI Brother! Remember that you're already close to operating than 99% of /MEG/, including myself!

Official rankings
>Air Force Pilot (any class)
>Naval Aviator
>Coast Guard Officer (any besides aviator)
>Air Force Intel Officer
>Coast Guard Aviator
>Air Force Officer (any not listed)
>Army Intel Officer
>Navy Intel Officer
>Army Logistics Officer
>Marine Corps Aviator
>Space Force Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Air Force Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Army Warrant Pilot
>Navy Supply Corps Officer
>Space Force Officer (any, lots of structural issues)
>Air Force Missile Officer
>Space Force Enlisted (other)
>Army Officer (Other)
>Marine Force Intel Officer
>Navy Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Army Armor Officer
>Coast Guard Enlisted (any)
>Army Artillery/Infantry Officer
>Marine Corps Officer (other)
>Marine Corps Infantry Officer
>
>POWERGAP
>
>Army Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Marine Corps Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Air Force Non-MX Enlisted
>POWERGAP
>Army Enlisted (other)
>Air Force SecFor
>
>POWERGAP
>
>Navy Enlisted (other)
>Army Infantry
>Marine Corps Enlisted (other)
>Marine Corps Enlisted Infantry
>
>POWERGAP
>
>Navy SWO
>Air Force Enlisted MX
>Culinary Specialist
SEALS/Rangers/Green Berets ect. not ranked because that's a different type of person than what this list applies towards

>not including medical enlisted, officer

Smh, doc deserves better

>>64083441
>(other)

>first meeting with recruiter next week
how do i not fuck this up? i'm nervous as shit

>>64079535
You'll have to comply with business rules, meaning you won't get to pick from every MOS out there but will have a more limited set of choices. Idk what those are as they vary by your previous pay grade and the random whims of HQDA.
>>64082233
Keep your option 19, you do not need to be born in FORSCOM to apply to a selection based unit down the line. Get fit, crush it at your job, get experience doing strategic level shit, then apply once you meet the TIG/TIS requirements for whatever it is you're interested in.

>>64083392
>army armor officer above enlisted intel
List made by a crackhead

>>64083544
If you're trying to do 20 Armor Officer tends to be a great option due to learning the more logistical side of the combat arms very early in their career making the mid-career less of a learning curve.

>>64083539
Fuck what up? You'd have to take a shit on his desk or tell him about some shit like picrel to get him to abandon your packet.

>>64083669
The majority of officers get out after 4 years. Plus, being in an armor unit genuinely blows ass and will continue to blow ass as long as there is geopolitical demand for American mechanized units to provide deterrence by rotating overseas. An enlisted intel weenie has better chances of having a cushy career plus opportunities to actually slide into a "real" job post-service (yes, even for dumb enlistoids).

>>64083677
The point of doing 20 is so you don't need a "real" job post-service. Get out O-5/O-6 and your income off the pension is higher than the US Median Wage and if you're not a retard you should have a few passive assets like rental units
If you were to rank things off just 4 years, you have to get rid of Aviators (10 year commitments) and the top bills are
>Air Force Intel Officer
>Army Intel Officer
>Navy Intel Officer
>Army Logistics Officer
>Space Force Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Air Force Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Marine Corps Intel Officer
>Navy Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Navy Supply Corps Officer
(Navy SuppO might be lower for 4 years only since its biggest benefit is the MBA at 8 years)
>Army Enlisted Intel/Cyber
>Marine Corps Enlisted/Cyber
>Everything else
>SWO
>Culinary Specialist
SWO and Culinary Specialist are pretty ass for advancing an outside career and such inside, you're better off doing pretty much anything if you plan to do only 4

>>64083716
Army intel officer is a poor choice for 4 years as you're basically useless and most likely branch detailed until you pin CPT.

>>64083726
Depends on your degree. If you have a degree you can leverage with the clearance and "experience" there's a potential to get some good jobs. All Officer intel is more reading stuff already collected than actually collecting intel. Combine the TS clearance with some sort of engineering degree and you got a job at Lockheed waiting for you

>>64053958
Your rank is upside down retard faggot

>>64080159
>Any specific roles you have in mind?
Something more hands on for sure. Medic of some kind maybe? Something that could possibly lead to an option 40 perhaps.
I had a 95 asvab and was told I qual for every job there was in the navy so I imagine I wont be limited in the army by that at least.
>>64080900
>what did you do in the Navy?
QM. Thats kind of why I want to try something quite different.
>>64083540
>You'll have to comply with business rules, meaning you won't get to pick from every MOS out there but will have a more limited set of choices. Idk what those are as they vary by your previous pay grade and the random whims of HQDA.
Thats kind of the tree I was trying to bark up. I was wondering if numbers were do down recruiting wise that they pretty much would let most shit fly. I got out as an E-5. Id even take a demotion, if that's even a thing, to get the job id want.

Is it incredibly hard to enlist into the space force?
I was thinking about it and then I called up the recruiter and he basically told me to fuck off and gave me the number for the Navy recruiter.

>>64083977
You have to go into Air Force DEP and have a Space Force job pop up before an Air Force AFSC

>>64083977
It's like the Air Force but there are no bad jobs, so they have way more applicants than they have positions to fill. Last I checked (which was like a year and a half ago desu), the whole branch was overmanned. I don't know if you're supposed to find a way to stand out or just wait your turn for an open spot.

Send me to Israel with a gun I want to stand next to Benjamin Netanhayu with a gun and just hold the gun with bullets loaded no bigger reason I just want to stand very close to his head and hold a gun it would be so silly

>>64084030
>no bad jobs
Somewhat. There's a lot of confusion in jobs which leads to more frustrating jobs where you have conflicting goals but it's not like it's going to destroy you like MX

For those in the AF Reserve, what do you work in full time?

>>64084747
space force jobs all have good clearance and sit inside aircon spaces but i'd say most of the jobs are boring and repetitive, the problem is that every single satellite system operates very differently, there is no core "space ops" skillset, and with the modern ground systems satellites are becoming more automated with "lights off" ops where computers manage most things instead of operators on a watch floor, the cyber jobs are better for post-service employment options but at the service level they are going to be mostly network admin or defensive cyber tasks

also, the space force doesn't really know what to do with their enlisted, all the actual meaningful decisions and day to day operations are all handled by the officers and support contractors "flying the satellites"

>>64066617
as the other anon said don't join the FFL if you can join the regular french military, on the other hand if you speak fluent french and are in decent shape the FFL should be much easier for you, but you will be surrounded by retards who couldn't hack it anywhere also do spends years of your life doing shit that you absolutely hate, the only thing making it worthwhile is french citizenship at the end

>>64083392
Is Army Enlisted Intel/Cyber a bad idea? I was planning on going either 17C or 35N since I have a lot of experience in the tech sector but no degree. I thought the employment options after getting out would be really good, particularly if I finished my degree while in service. I searched on the archived threads and it generally seems to be recommended. This list makes that seem like it might not actually open up as many options as I thought.

>>64085630
It's fine it's just inferior to Air Force or Navy side in QoL. It's still a career builder
>>64083716 said the list is for people considering 20 years

Hey sorry for being a new fag but I have a question or a series of questions. YES I read the FAQ. So I want to join the space force or air force but about 2 months back I was voluntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital and am currently on psych meds. Am I fucked ( ie auto disqualified) from joining any branch? IS this something I can lie about or is this something I can't and I have to weasel around it. Or should I just give up and look for a career elsewhere. Sorry in advance for the stupid questions, I just had to ask and it seems like you folks may have the answers here without me finding out the hard way.

>>64086014
depends what your problem is but you may have to wait 2 years clean off meds to get in

>>64086014
It depends entirely on why you were admitted.

>>64083938
Boobies
>>64083737
Your nco will hear about this, don't mistake your years in service and your pt test score and your weapons qual and your AIT and your meritorious promotion for my college degree and pulse.

>>64086575
>>64086724
It was for attempted suicide

Does anyone have any experience with the Coast Guard? Im thinking of enlisting with them next year

>>64087208
Unlikely, what branch? I can look at med dq, it might give you some idea of what version of events youre truthful with

>>64087612
air force or space force

Guys im a marines vet and my ptsd is really horrible lately.
They said its not setvice related, but i know i got it after i killed this afghan family of 7 with my knife on a dare.
Anyways when i came home from my 9 month tour my wife was 8 months pregnant and it seems i had some recessive black genes in me, sadly she left because she watched tucker carlson and now hates me for being a treacherous "ZOGbot". I dont know what that means but i miss her.
I only wanted to do the right thing.
Go into a foreign country and kill these mysoginists who want to ban their daughters from opening onlyfans accounts.

Anywayw ill off myself now
Byeee

>>64087739
Space Force. That is the cutting edge and branch of the future. Plus, a chance to work with or for NRO is based af

I'm so glad I didn't join the Army

>>64056831
I was an 18x. There were maybe twelve other 18x's and like thirty option 40's in my OSUT.

By the end of OSUT, eight of those 18x's lost their contract and became shit ass MOS like cooks or fuel guys.

I think one single guy made it to RASP, but I didn't really see their pipeline after mine.

The option 40 guy was prior enlisted, the other four 18x's that went on to airborne and selection with me were prior enlisted. Of the four guys that came with me, only two made it to SFAS.

The other two wouldn't have been completely fucked over because prior enlisted usually get treated much better, they also get a much shorter OSUT (I think it was like 6 weeks). But if I would have failed SFAS it would have meant going straight to the shittiest MOS's the Army has to offer. I had no choice because I was 28 when I enlisted, but if I was younger I would NEVER suggest doing an 18x or option 40. Enlist first, do a useful MOS like 68w or crypto, after you hit e4 drop your packet.

It is much harder to find the time to train for selection or RASP while you're in, I was in way better shape than most enlisted at SFAS. But you'll find out super quickly that physical prowess has fuck all to do with making it. And if you fail, you go straight back to your unit so you don't have to get fucked over by big Army.

Enlist in a useful MOS (not infantry), wait till e4, then drop a packet. Unless you are mature, hard as fuck, make friends really quick, kill it at land nav and became an eagle scout with knots and shit, there is zero reason to enlist straight to RASP.

Battalion isn't all it's cracked up to be. You get more respect at Benning, but it's still big Army bullshit. You get fun schools and actually get to train and shoot, but it's a brutal unit. SoF is where you start to get a glimpse of freedom, but I was a few years into my contract and already sick of it. Peace time combat arms is hell, even in special operations.

>>64088963
Brutal. How do those guys lose their contract? Is it conditional on not being a slump?

>>64088963
So did you pass?

>>64089459
Yes. I was a junior 18b, then got in a motorcycle accident after a JCET and they let me be a support guy for a year and a half before discharge.
>>64089452
You typically have to be in A group for the entirety of OSUT, if you start falling out of rucks or runs they'll take you aside and start talking about it. If you're not an idiot, you'll *demand* to see someone about a reclass when that happens. You need to understand that every single thing you do from the day you step into reception is documented and monitored, if you're immature, if you don't have leadership qualities, if you aren't killing it in PT, if DS has to repeatedly tell you how to do shit, that information gets passed along. You can have perfect runs, perfect scores and they just don't like your attitude. A lot more guys get dropped from airborne than you'd think, and the preparation course is now like a mini selection, so I hear. Many guys kill it through OSUT but have bad luck, you need to understand that cadre is going to try everything in their power to drop 18x's if it means a prior enlisted guy needs their spot. If you do try, shoot for winter. There are much fewer guys and your chances of getting fucked over aren't as bad. At the end of the day, you have it or you don't. Don't ever buy "cadre fucked me", if you are good enough to be on teams, you will be on teams. I've seen guys sprain and ankle in a draw during land nav and still make it all the way through.

>>64087208
honestly if you have legitimate issues military can make it worse and end up putting you in a worse place, i don't recommend military
>>64088859
then apply directly to work at the NRO, being part of their cadre program you get to work on the core mission, don't have to deal with military bs

>>64087208
Military life is 95% bullshit, 5% fun times. I've met guys that have become like brothers to me, I've blown shit up and got to use equipment I'd never get the chance to use anywhere else. I've down on helicopters and planes and jumped out of them. I've seen the world.

That's the good. The rest of the time it is the hardest job you will ever have in your life, you will have bosses who can legally torture you. You will be forced to shit in extremely uncomfortable positions for hours on end, be forced to exercise without sleep for days on end, have almost no personal freedom, can't leave the city you're in without permission, if you show up late for work your life is fucked, relationships will be almost impossible, you can have a 104° fever and find out your dad died and still have to show up for work, you will question your decision every single day.

If you think being motivated and having "purpose" will keep you from killing yourself, sure. But I promise you will not regret staying out.

Occasional reminder that I regret not going Guard/Reserve after separating from active duty.
(I do not at all regret separating from active duty itself)

Is the air force finally gonna wake up on small FPV drones or what? There's no way they can scale a proper drone force if every "pilot" is an officer with a pipeline above a year to get there.

>>64090384
National Guard was really nice. You get treated like an adult, everybody is chill as fuck and on first name basis, you can go AGR whenever (they even have an app now where you can find jobs or missions that need your MOS in active duty), you get to live wherever you want and never PCS, You get easier access to schools and training, you get promotions literally 10x faster and you're guaranteed to move up rank as long as you're not a fuck up, you have access to basically any MOS, even 18 series, no big Army bullshit. I loved National Guard.

>>64090426
>air force
>fpv drones
Too bad, nerd. Army and Marine chads are the ones with the small drones. Are air force drone operators going to be getting into the JLTV and driving up to the fight? No, theyre going to be squeezing their little weiners and keeping the pilots, the REAL warriors of the airforce, in the sky.

>faggy butterbars to O2 talking shit about the enlisted
Reminder these niggers get bully by their NCO, unironically. And will NGMI if they stay in

>>64089784
This is exactly why Space Force is the best force

>>64090940
Goddamn. I fucked up.

>>64092122
I have a buddy who went in as a radio operator, one weekend a month, used the GI bill to go to college and go through ROTC, almost immediately became an apache pilot because there are so many open slots they're practically begging people to commission. Compare that with any other branch where flight slots are non-existent and you need a god damned letter from your governor to even have a miniscule slot. Anybody who shits on nasty girls has never been in the military.

>>64092696
Oh yeah, he was like 33 when he commissioned. I think the cut off is 24 for Navy and Airforce.

>>64091097
>are air force drone operators going to be getting their asses disintegrated by glide bombs in a dugout after starving on spam cans and piss bottles? No, they'll be squeezing their ass into a nice chair blowing up dugout from the comfort of home.

>>64092700
31 at time of commission

>>64092701
Pissbaby screaming and crying because he doesn't get to make his meme FPV drone videos without also being a real soldier

>>64092715
Should have looked it up, still. National Guard is infinitely more loose with giving out waivers.

>>64092844
Enjoy cleaning dirt and rocks for peace time. The good old Chair Force will actually be killing people.

>>64092701
>>64092844
>>64093330
>racing to the bottom

>>64053958
Kyspls, zogbot

>>64053750 (OP)
Welp. Today's the day. I'm going to the army recruiter and I'm going to enlist.

>>64094486
Why the Army?

>>64094550
Grandad was in the army, dad was in the army. Kinda feels like I should

>>64094677
What MOS?

Assuming I've got no better opportunities, a brain that can handle math, and no more money for college, is Army Combat Engineers a complete waste of time?

>>64094677
Go 35 series or 18X.

>>64094677
Do something useful. Something that gets you a security clearance, crypto or similar. 68w is always fun. Commo stuff.

If you want to do action guy shit, go to the gym a lot, ruck as much as possible and get to a 6:30 mile, when you hit e4 drop a packet.

Don't do infantry out of the gate, you'll regret it. You can go battalion or SF from any MOS. Just do something you'll actually like that gives you real world skills and don't settle for less, but the recruiter until they give you exactly what you want. They're a lot cooler now about sign up bonuses, like you can ask for schools guaranteed in your contract now which was unheard of in my day. Ask if you can get sniper school out of the gate, make sure it's in your contract.

Try and enter at least at an e3, if you have some college it should be easy.

>>64094677
If you're only joining the army out of obligation pick an MOS with a career translation that you are interested in.
And then pick four other MOSes with marketable skills.
Truck driving, mechanics, construction/engineer, medical work, and even fucking being the chow hall guy if they haven't banished that MOS to the shadow realm is better than Infantry.

>>64099139
>even fucking being the chow hall guy if they haven't banished that MOS to the shadow realm is better than Infantry.
Bullshit. Do not listen to this guy. Do not sign for fucking 92G.

>>64099228
I thought the army started using contractors for this or folded it into another job title. Or was that the Marines?

plz plz plz have war so my miserable existence can be ended already.

>>64100257
Just pick one you annoying fag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

A militia can hand you some equipment depending on where you go.

Braggbros: How many years would this honestly take off of your life?

>>64100325
>parents dont clean the bathroom for me anymore

>>64100325
Look at their houses for extra laughs, they are animals and deserve whatever conditions they are diagnosed with in their 30s.

Reminder:
The "A" in ARMY stands for "Autistic."
The "R" in ARMY stands for "Retarded."
The "M" in ARMY stands for still "Autistic."
The "Y" in ARMY stands for still "Retarded."

>>64101106
>>64100659
>>64100325
It's Saturday night nigga
Go outside

>>64099139
I'm almost 40. I did a "cool guy" MOS. I got to be an 18b. I still insurance now.

Fuck what you "like". Choose a career amplifying job in the Army, or you will regret your decision for the rest of your life. 68w is always the best choice because medicine will always be a stable, high paying career once you get out.

The other options are ones with a security clearance that translate to alphabet agency work.

Do not, under any circumstances, do a job just because it sounds fun.

Guess what my MOS got me? I'm good at camping and I can ruck for hours on end. I sound really cool at parties. My wife almost left me like 6 times.

I sell fucking insurance, man. Just do 68w and become a PA when you get out? Jesus Christ.

>>64101195
68W is a shitty choice, all it qualifies you for is being a paramedic. That's a far, far cry from being an actual PA or doctor and you'll need to do a lot of school to get into either position.
Also, c'mon, man. You were an 18b and you don't have a T-shirt company and a gay little hypebeast Instagram page to market it with? What are you even doing?

>>64101195
Not tracking, what's wrong with insurance?
There's plenty of things you can do in the military that are impossible in the private sector or have no equivalent. I'd rather do that while you have the option.
Every MOS leads to the GI bill + VA loan anyways so it doesn't matter what your specialty was, you get a free career reset (and probably should).

>>64101247
You're thinking Navy SEALs, they're the biggest attention whore faggots in the universe

Army med student here, while 68W does not translate to practicing medicine in the civilian world, that experience can help a lot for admission to PA or Medical school afterwards as long as you know how to sell it. It is not an automatic admission, and medical school is very hard to get into and to succeed in, but if you are willing to put in the work to get in you have a high chance of graduation.

As an aside, I would STRONGLY suggest that you spend a lot of time thinking about a decision to pursue med school. When I was applying, I did not understand why doctors were so hesitant to endorse it as a career. As a 4th year student, I understand entirely. If you are determined, you will not be dissuaded but it is a very hard field, compensation is not what it used to be, and it is a largely thankless job. I threw away a large part of my youth for this career. If you just want money, look elsewhere. If you want respect, earn it somewhere else, and people don't actually idolize doctors anyways, especially now.

68W are sick tho

What are the best intel/cyber/IT jobs in the air force?

>>64101247
Far as I can tell, only jobs that get you into medicine, as a practical nurse, are from the Air Force anyway. Practical Nursing is shitty but it is a start in a field that will never be filled up because nurses are so retarded the person who is still looking for blinker fluid would look like a Harvard grad.
Paramedic is a six month course that, in some cases, is offered at low or no cost.
Almost anything else is better than ending up as a paramedic as a result of an eight year life commitment.

>>64101247
They're are more than 2 dozen schools that will give you a much as two years of credit towards any medical program as a 68w. That's a lot better than "paramedic."

T-shirt companies are for sociopaths and actual retards.

>>64101587
My wife is in med school, when my wife was applying they often asked if she was in Army medicine and how it would translate to credits. It does a lot more than people think.

>>64102075
Which schools?

>>64102078
There are programs specifically designed to help with this, whether they're private or public.
However, in most cases, you need to reach out about them.

>>64100257
Literally just go to Ukraine. You can sign up as a drone operator and they will teach you free of charge, and you will guaranteed see combat because Ukraine is on the defensive right now. Zero excuses.

>>64104296
Eww not like that

>>64104450
Cool, the other side is also desperate for bodies too. Again, no excuses.

>>64101934
intel ranking:
>1N4X1
>1N4X2
>1N8X1
>1N2X1
>Not sure how to rank the rest except for 1N3
>1N3X1

cyber rankings:
>1B4X1
There's only one (enlisted) cyber AFSC lol

IT rankings:
They keep changing the AFSCs and shreds and shit, so who even knows anymore. Whatever Cyber Chadsport Operations is called now is at the top.

>>64101934
>>64105020
Does it matter since you don't get to pick?

>>64083392
You forgot JAG corps buddeh

Anyone got the scoop on Veteran Readiness and Employment (VR&E)? Can it be used while I'm working? I qualify, but I was thinking about using it before touching the GI bill. Thoughts?

>>64105182
high mid-tier lawyer career. Can't get into the big bucks of corporate law but not stuck like most lawyers as public defenders

>juvenile charge I brought up (because LYING ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY: BAD) but (I'd hoped) was expunged got recorded in the system
>>no record of conviction by a civil court for any offense other than minor traffic violations
There goes my intel/cyber career, now what?

>>64105369
Go Coast Guard. I'm serious, you're locked out of every good Navy rate and Air Force AFSC and most Army MOS outside medical.

>>64105369
Did you ask about moral waivers? If it was while you were a juvenile you might be okay. I know people who got arrested for weed charges as teenagers who went on to hold clearances, though they joined way before now.

Does anyone have any advice for meeting decent women as a lifer? Turns out "follow me around as I move to a new military town every two years and deploy for months on end. You can be a barista or something and hang out with the other spouses who have a third grade reading level" is a tough sell for a smart and classy woman who wants a family. I've been in for four years already, it's grim out there.
>>64083392
Air Force maintainer turned student naval aviator, this tracks.

>>64102078
like medical doctor school? That's strange, most schools do not give a shit. It might count towards some elective credit in 4th year but you still have to do pre-clinicals and your clinical rotations, as well as board exams. Electives are the easiest thing in med school, they're pass-fail. Still, off time is off time.

>>64101257
I'm 40 bruh, it's too late for me. It sucks watching my wife become a fancy doctor while I'm flipping annuities. I'm doing machinist shit out of my garage and hoping something materializes. Some people do contract work and DoD civilian bullshit, but I cannot stress enough to you young guys, get into an MOS that translates well to real world job opportunities. You will never regret it.

>>64106367
30 year old (not as) oldfag here
Kids, listen to your elders here. Do something with a clearance, something medical, or if you're an officer candidate consider aviation (set for life with the flight hours you get, you'll get paid while getting overqualified to be an FAA certified pilot and come out making 6 figures) and supply/logistics (use GI bill for MBA after you get out or stay in long enough to get the MBA while getting paid for, they do this around mid-career)
And if you're enlisted, USE YOUR FUCKING TUITION ASSISTANCE, get your CLEP/DSST credits and work towards finishing the degree as much as command will let you. FYI this is why the Navy sucks they don't give you tuition assistance immediately, and Marine Corps will also blueball you on how many credit hours you're allowed to take. Listen to this advice if you're 24 and younger and considering joining, you will be set by the time you're 30. If you are young and looking to make 20, don't fuck around and keep a clean record and good grades, do volunteer work and make good connections with supervisors to send an OCS (or better yet, ROTC if you can) and compete for aviation or supply. If you retire between 38 and 42 as an officer with either of those you can get into the double-dip earning the military pension and then earn an airline pension or a CFO pension on top of it.

How competitive is AF RPA sensor operator? I heard the bases suck.
Are jobs in Air Guard less competitive?

>>64105266
>Veteran Readiness and Employment (VR&E)
This is my first time hearing of it.

>Navy is in dire need of Helicopter pilots
>But want to do something cool like Cryptologic Warfare officer
>Have a liberal arts degree
So which one am I more likely to get realistically. I still need to contact the recruiter, but it would help to have a peace-of-mind knowing what I'll most likely get. Maybe I should just go Army. Air Force I assume is already so highly competitive I won't get in lol.

>>64108202
It is much easier to become a Naval Aviator, so much so that guys who originally wanted to fly for the Air Force will join the Navy through OCS to fly if they couldn't get into AFROTC

>28
>Master Electrician in Texas
>got no raise for the license, everything got worse even.
Considering joining up, possibly coast guard. Tired of being a wage monkey at a company where i have no upward mobility. Every generation of men in my family back to the Revolution has served in some branch or the other until my dad, who was born a cripple. I feel like i could make up the difference there, but don’t want to screw up my early 30’s trying.
Would i be wasting my time?

>>64108935
Coast Guard is the right branch for you at your age, but you're already quite deep into your current career path, so financially it wouldn't be wise to switch

>>64109012
Got a huge demotion, company owner is trying to get rid of me. Pay cut from 70+k back down to 50k.
He practically runs the local iec, and for personal reasons i won’t join the union. I really can’t get a job in this town if i get on bad terms with him, but i’m not willing to put up with this treatment anymore. I don’t care to own my own business, it doesn’t line up with my disposition.
I’m not scared about my financial situation per-se, i already own my house and cars. No debts, no wife or kids; really no tethers to hold me back in the slightest. I live with my older brother, so i wouldn’t even have to worry about selling the place.
>I just need to get outta here, man

>>64109092
Well the Coast Guard will accomplish your objectives. I say keep the house, rent it out to your brother or at least have him taking care of it, and do your thing. You would be a tremendous asset in the service, and combining your electrical experience with maritime work could put you on a great path. Consider what you will have when you finish your contract, be smart about this.

>>64109252
Thank you for the advice.

>>64108202
>want to do something cool
First mistake. If you want to do something cool, cool people don't rely on other people for finances.
Second mistake: cryptology is boring, and it involves lie detectors and people wanting to fuck you over.
Flying is boring too but for reasons you don't think it is.

>>64105266
I don't know how it works, but I have never seen someone take advantage of the system as well as my homie has, part of which was his usage of VR&E:
>Did six years in the Air National Guard
>Used TA and his state's education program to get his bachelor's and master's from a state school
>Used GI Bill to get an MBA and another master's
>Bullshitted his way to 100% VA disability
>Signed up for VR&E and supposedly they reimbursed his GI Bill
>Is now doing a PhD in bullshit from diploma mill university
>Regularly tells me "I'm so fucking tired of school, but these motherfuckers won't stop paying me to do it"
He's my hero.

Also some other dude I vaguely knew used it for a farming program. He said it's basically the GI Bill, except it's not always approved, and you have to pretend the program you're doing is because you got injured in a way that would hamper your initial job ambitions. Like if your back is injured, they're not going to approve you for a construction program, if you're deaf they won't approve you as a court reporter, etc. This is all third-hand information, I might have gotten it wrong.

>>64108935
The Navy has a program (DPEP: https://www.navycs.com/dpep.html) that lets you start at up to E-6 depending on civilian experience. I only see police and medical mentioned, but I swear it used to geared toward skilled trades. As with basically everything mentioned here, it doesn't hurt to ask a recruiter about it.
Disclaimer: The one time I saw someone on /meg/ post about it, he said it was a scam.

>>64109404
I’ll add it to my list. Thank you.

I lied to my recruiter about a medical condition that I said I did not have. Should I tell him I lied?
I am not sure if MHS Genesis is going to pick it up or not when I am at MEPS. I did not need a waiver for it back in 2019 but that was for the Army, I'm trying for the Air Force now.

>>64106367
>It sucks watching my wife become a fancy doctor while I'm flipping annuities
why tho?

This dude is putting out a lot of good information about SOF. He's former SF that turned ISA and is now a helicopter pilot. He says that Delta has their own organic intelligence service that's better than ISA and their own helicopters and pilots that are better than 160th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbu059pUMsQ

>>64110012
>LYING ABOUT MEDICAL HISTORY: GOOD (YMMV)
If they catch it, play dumb. If they don't catch it, it doesn't exist.

>>64110517
>He says that Delta has their own organic intelligence service
eh kinda
>that's better than ISA
no

>>64110137
I had a job that was high intensity, motivating, prestigious. I felt like somebody every day. Now I'm just some guy. I want more than anything in the world to feel like I have purpose again.

>>64110517
I met a few guys with SMU during my time in. They definitely use 160th and they rely on alphabets like CIA and DIA. DoD is its own world, the real "cool guy shit" is outside the purview of SMU and into special activities, though they mingle quite a bit. I know a bit about Delta selection, if anyone is interested. I got the email about their selection and know a few guys who have gone through it.

>>64108202
National Guard is your quickest and easiest bet to becoming a pilot in the military. Unless you can get into an academy, go through the normal college route for commission and speak with an officer recruiter. Coast Guard is also an option. Airforce isn't much harder, though. They have infinitely more need for pilots, so there's always slots. Just don't expect to become a fighter pilot unless you're giga Chad. From my experience though, rotary is the most fun.

>>64110012
Keep lying. Genesis looks at pharmaceutical records and takes it from there, they won't do a deep dive unless they have reason. If you make it past MEPS and pass with your liason, it will never become an issue unless you make it one.

If I join air national guard, is there a time distance from BMT to tech school?

Getting these motherfuckers to stick to my teeth is among the most difficult things I have ever done.

>>64111823
I don't know if the answer is "yes" or "sometimes", but I know it's not "no".
>t. Got flexed on by a (handsome) Guardsman who showed up to tech school with a sick haircut while the rest of us still had the BMT incel buzzcut.

Tell me what to do boys

>Be me, 29 years old
>Move to Brazil two years ago with Brazilian wife and 3 kids
>SHTF, wife turns into a completely different person in her home country, I don't adapt well and get depression to the point of a suicide attempt
>Cushy American software dev WFH job lays me off
>Currently paying my (Brazilian) bills doing contract work on Squarespace sites, pays peanuts

If I join the military, I can move my family back to the US to military housing, get deployed, and be far away from my wife for long periods of time. Sounds good to me. What branch and MOS? I have an associates degree.

>>64112224
If your goal is to be away from home a lot join the Navy and do something submarine related. Something like STS, ITS, or ETV

>>64071929
>>64073743
I commissioned. Lurked here early this year beforehand. Don't enlist anon. If you do commission in the Navy, do so for a specific job that you want, not surface warfare, it is pretty bad unless you want career and first few years to suck till ya pin.

>>64083392
Absolutely retarded I hope nobody listens to this fag.

>>64053750 (OP)
>try to apply for the army reserves
>amazing enlistment advice
>rejected on medical grounds
>try to apply to police reserves
>fuck all in recruutment advice
Its all so tiring

welp, I'm deploying to DC. wish me luck.

>>64113199
whats your list then? Most people seem to agree with that anon here so I'm interested what you think are worthwhile

>>64113932
Gimme a dollah, mayne

>>64111422
Thanks for the answer, my condition does not require prescriptions and it does not impede physical movement, but it is visible.
The recruiter told me that the records from my 2019 MEPS visit expired, but just to make sure, Genesis does not have a record of it right? I have a busy work schedule and I really don't feel like calling my provider to drop me out of the Health Information Exchange network/program.

>>64113932
https://youtu.be/-JjtR9oJlLQ

>>64110613
Should I see a doctor to give me an all-clear to join beforehand in case they catch it at MEPS?

>>64113932
Get one of those nice camping mats and a travel pillow, because your biggest struggle is going to be getting good sleep

>>64114648
Won't it get stolen anyway?

>>64114648
trade your mat with the locals piss covered mat. sleep in broken glass just to say you did.

I heard DC smells like pee

Should I join the National Guard? I fucking hate my neighbors.

>>64114654
>>64114659
My inner Freud is screaming that this nigga likes his showers "golden"

>>64114604
>>64114627
You're gonna have to be more specific here. What's your medical condition? Chances are it's fine if you don't get cleared by a doctor before MEPS. I'm partially speaking to myself here, but being a nervous Nellie will get you into more trouble than anything they can catch on their own, in most cases.

>>64113773
I've got friends in the local police. They pass up about 80-90% of applicants. One place is known to fail 60% of field trainees (who've already passed the academy). If you apply to a decent PD, all else being equal, there's a 5% chance or less you'll be there in 2 years. And if you fail out, it's on you forever. Of course, DEI up the ass. There are times when only women get to be hired.
I read a post once that it's easier to join the military than be a cop. No way.
Honestly, they don't know what the fuck they're doing when it comes to recruitment. They waste a lot of tight municipal funds. I'm not a cop hater, but I'm disgusted how incompetent and aelf-assured the whole thing is.

>>64099139
>and even fucking being the chow hall guy if they haven't banished that MOS to the shadow realm is better than Infantry.
Hold on, is 11B really that bad in the Army? I was told you as an enlisted, you only work like 3 hours for physical training and then cleaning your rifle and shooting at the range. What do most soldiers do when there's no war?

>>64053750 (OP)
is it possible to clear myself from having bi-polar disorder? my doctor is willing to vouch for me to clear any past medical stuff.. i was able to keep my diabetes under control. do i get her to write an all-clear letter and give it to the meps doctors?

>>64116075
Just go for it. Stop taking your meds once they hand you a gun.

>>64116075
>bi polar disorder
If you were misdiagnosed it'll follow you around and fuck you.
If you actually have.had it, find a better line of work. There are military adjacent civilian jobs.

>>64116202
There's no reason someone with bipolar disorder can't be trusted with firearms. What's the worst that could happen? I think he should play their little games as long as it takes to get into the service, and then immediately cease taking all psychiatric medication.

>>64116142
>>64116202
>If you were misdiagnosed it'll follow you around and fuck you.
Well the problem is that diabetes can actually fuck with your mental health if you don't keep it under control. I lost about 100+ pounds and I feel healthy, no mood swings, no depression. I genuinely think I was misdiagnosed. My prior doctor (she flaked out on me because I was a lazy piece of shit who never showed up to the Docs appt) suspected all my mental health problems were more likely caused by my diabetes and I genuinely think this.
>>64116210
Makes sense.

>>64116224
Just lie. The important thing is that you have access to weapons.

>>64116244
>Just lie. The important thing is that you have access to weapons.
I can't it's on my record

>>64116261
Falsify your records.

>>64116037
motorpool and fuckfuck games

>>64116037
Not really. Anon is getting a bit emotional.
In peacetime you train and go to exercises and deploy to support non combat operations like Atlantic Resolve. Training can be anything from going to the range to multi week events at a national training center. You'll probably get cold and wet and dirty and sleep deprived at training events but that's about it, barring an accident or something.
Day to day in garrison you'll typically do PT in the morning and do some kind of training from 9 to somewhere around 3 to 5 in the afternoon. What specifically you do depends on the kind of unit you're in - at a mechanized unit you might go to the motor pool and work on Bradleys, at a light unit you'll probably go to the woodline and practice battle drills, etc.
A certain type of person will find all of this incredibly grating and complain about it non stop. Other kinds of people will enjoy it, or get very motivated by the idea of training to prevail in a possible future conflict with, say, China. There's no way to know what type you are until you're there, doing it.

>>64115773
Was hoping that being a reserve/SC in a country with low recuitment rates in the police would of meant they are more happy with what they get, but it feels like what you're saying is true here too.

>>64113773
Have fun with that. Like the trades, cops say WE NEED MORE RECRUITS and then make it a pain in the ass to be hired.

I am POG, I am as POG as they come.
>91E
>Heavy unit

How do I train more combat skills on my own? I realize fitness always comes first, and my unit is never going to give much time to training. Realistically how much can I learn on my own and from reading Army publications?

>>64116642
>just go to the union hall we're hurting for help!
>six month interview process
>final interview
>"uhh test scores are great but you're just lacking experience."
"I have six years on the job experience... and this is an entry level apprenticeship."
>interview over after a minute because they already hired their nephews and drinking buddies

>>64117329
>91E
Whoa. I'm autistic about military jobs but I've never even heard of that one. How/why'd you swing that?

>>64117828
I followed the advice I got here and on reddit.
>If they say they don't have the job, tell them to call you when they do.
I said I wouldn't sign without it, they had it within a month.

>I'm autistic about military jobs
Fun fact: this used to be two separate MOS. One for welding, one for machining. Back in 2010 they combined them into one MOS. You'd think this would create one really long AIT, but no, they just cut content and eventually tacked on 3D printing and 3D modeling.

>>64117432
You can legit do better just going to a construction company or contractor and begging for a job as an assistant.
You won't get any actual credentials but fuck, I'm going to learn more on DIY projects than a union will teach me because they won't hire a nigga who shows up to work for seven years.

>>64118432
shieeeet

>>64117329
Go to Ranger School

Get your park pass

>>64119600
I don't know bruh, I haven't had a problem with crowds at any of the parks I've been to... except for Yellowstone. Fuck. Yellowstone. Every second I spent in Yellowstone was a second I wished I had spent in Grand Teton instead.

is it advised to get have a gaming pc or laptop in the military dorms? or is best to get an apartment outside the base asap?
are there private 1 person dorms or are those exclusive to officers?

>>64120271
don't get married to leave early
>officers
they get bah automatically

how hard is it to join a PMC?
can you get in without military experience?
who'd want to join any military in todays broken society when you can be a based gigachad soldier of fortune?

>>64120656
>how hard is it to join a PMC?
In 2025? Pretty hard.
>can you get in without military experience?
Why the fuck would they hire some rando with no experience when tons of Rangers and Green Berets ETS every year?
>who'd want to join any military in todays broken society when you can be a based gigachad soldier of fortune?
Unless you invented a time machine and went back to 1980 you don't have that option.

>>64120693
local militia it is on neet bucks

Reminder. Don’t go officer if you want just want the “Military Experience” and get out to collect your gibs

JOs are rode hard and put up wet. You’ll have your hand in the pocket of an E7+ enlisted crusty fuck telling you to fuck off and know your place. Your first 3+ years as a zero are literally learning how to be an officer and have almost nothing to do with your job. You will get treated like garbage and be the whipping boy of the officers mess/ward room and will suffer endless humiliation rituals for multiple years. You will not make any friends or network because nobody in the officer ranks wants to associate with someone who might get out and hasn’t fully committed to being a career man and you can’t fraternize with the enlisted outside of the E7+ and even they don’t want you in their club. You will be held to a strict as fuck standard not only because you are the FNG but also because you are an officer. Yes you will make more money and have better living accommodations. Consolation prize.

Meanwhile as enlisted, you get tasked with fuck off work that anyone can do, and you might have to stay around till 1630 on a Friday but the JOs are going to be there till 2000 writing “reports”. You get the same benefits getting out, you get to be friends with whoever you want below E7. You get to act like an animal because that’s expected of you. You are no longer the FNG after a single year of time in service. You have a lot more lateral mobility because you aren’t in a “pipeline”. If you are good at your job you get a lot more leeway because your peers are uneducated retards and you only need to be not retarded. Once you hit E5, which is totallly doable in a single enlistment, you get to move into a party house with all your bros and act like said animals. And even if you aren’t great at your job you just have to show up with a nice uniform and be able to do PT.

Yes, if you want to make it a career, officer is vastly superior.

Pretend you're me.

I finished 4 years of NJROTC in high school. On one side, I want to join the Army because Infantryman sounds fun, and my father and grandfather were prior Army Infantryman. But then again there's no real skills I can carry over to Civilian life (unless any of you have options I'm not aware of.)

On the other hand, with the NJROTC I can jump to an E3, with higher pay, but then I don't know if I'm going to like it. Seems somewhat comfy but also sounds incredibly boring.

My other option is to maybe skip infantryman entirely and maybe go Cyber Operations for either Army or Navy. Guide my future PLEASE!

>>64120656
>can you get in without military experience?
do you have a katana, a trench coat, and a fedora hiding in your closet?

>>64120947
This sounds like it was written by a mediocre junior officer who underperformed and got butthurt when his eval reflected that.
You can absolutely be respected as a lieutenant. Your PSG is not just there to bully you or let you pretend you run the platoon while he does all the real work. All it takes is knowing how your authority works, where you derive it from, and how to wield it to accomplish the mission and improve the organization... rather than as a cudgel or like it's your divine birthright or some shit. I've met some 2LTs who I would follow into a fucking burning building, because they knew how their own authority worked and how to genuinely earn respect from their men besides.
You too can be such an officer. Whether we prevail in a future conflict or do not may largely depend on whether we have enough of such officers. It just takes a little more understanding and a little more effort than assuming things will work a certain way or another solely due to rank alone.

>>64121086
In terms of quality of life, Navy cyber (or CTR) probably outranks Army infantry (when shorebound and not on a ship). Whether doing that is more appealing than being combat arms in peacetime is up to you. If you go cyber you will undoubtedly make a lot more money than if you do infantry, but up to you.
Having done both infantry and intel in the Army, I can't say one was vastly superior to the other. I enjoyed both for different reasons, and would do both if I could. You have to choose one or the other, somehow.
I'd recommend watching some gopro footage from Army training events like live fires or CTC rotations for a glimpse of what that life looks like. You can also (may Allah forgive me for recommending this) check reddit for specific info about different units and rates for both Army and Navy.

Reposting here since all the fags on this board want to talk about is Ukraine and the subr*ddit for ICE is locked.
What are the chances of ICE ERO hiring me? I just graduated college.
They got a fuck ton of applicants since Trump got in

>>64120947
What kind of cope is this? Youre crying because as an officer you cant be an alcoholic shitbag without Major handing your ass to you?
Brother you went to college that was your time to be a shitbag, you don't get to continue that lifestyle in the professional world after you graduate, you don't even really get to if you go to grad school either. At a certain point you get expectations put on you to act like an adult. Sorry if Chief is telling you to not act like a highschool dropout like the lower enlisted act, but maybe your peers would talk to you and rake you seriously if you held yourself to some standards.
Sounds like you're the Ensign/2nd Lt nobody wants to be around that'll barely make O2 by the end of your obligation instead of pinning O3 by that time

>>64122301
Whatever. I got better things to do. :)

>>64120656
Why do you want to be in a PMC?

>>64120947
I was a one-and-done O1+O2 and had the opposite experience. All the JO’s got maximum exposure to fieldwork and hands-on mission execution. I had unlimited responsibility and was able to sign myself up for trainings and “fun” quals without anyone’s permission, and generally had freedom to figure out how to get results and solve problems myself.
I would have been bored to death if I stayed in for 20.

I got along great with senior enlisted as well and didn’t have to do anything special or intentional, just don’t be a dick and be competent and everything else will work out.

>>64115184
I have idiopathic thoracic scoliosis. I forgot my specific curvature but it is somewhere around 20 to 25, but it should be below the 30 degree limit set by the Air Force/military. I just don't want go through the hassle of going to the doctor because the way they measure curvature is wildly inconsistent.

>>64122716
What was your MOS?

Is this book an accurate depiction of drug smuggling within special forces?

Bump

>>64124498
Is it even possible to not even participate in that? Or do you have no choice?

>>64126006
One of the main functions of all the military bases and logistics systems is to traffic drugs around the world.

>>64126123
Wow, that's fascinating. Generally speaking, why do people die at places like in Fort Bragg? Snitches?

>>64126123
That's pretty based ngl

>>64126991
Cartels are not based.

>>64127493
Correct

>>64127493
>>64127506
Who gave DHS permission to advertise here?

>>64127506
>it's only okay when we traffic drugs
Rules for thee but not for me

>>64128520
Why do you want to traffic drugs?

>>64128623
Because he wants to be E7 and above.

>Soldiers disrupt timber smuggling in Afghan province
What the fuck, why? "You gotta license for this wood?"

https://www.army.mil/article/22349/soldiers_disrupt_timber_smuggling_in_afghan_province

>>64128779
But if the US military is an international drug trafficker and he is in the US military, then why is he playing this "us vs them" game, as if he's just a butthurt civilian?

>>64128783
The timber smugglers were interfering with the heroin smuggling that we protect and profit off of. At least it wasn't Timber Sycamore!

>>64127493
>>64126123
How fucking embarrassing.. We got cartel wetbacks telling the strongest elite soldiers in the world to deliver drugs

>>64129144
Other way around lol. The cartels answer to the US government, who are their bosses.

>>64129152
Not so fast, Soldier Man
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/02/08/fort-liberty-sergeant-major-accused-of-smuggling-pounds-of-meth-across-border.html

Looks like you have a new boss

>>64129161
He was arrested because he was doing his own thing instead of working within the existing drug trafficking organizational structure in the US military.

>>64129161
Whats the annual salary of a typical E9, the highest enlisted rank?

What rank is the same on the officer pay scale?

>>64129179
This is public information, but a very good moment to derail off-topic discussion and reinforce why commissioning is the best path.

Soonest you can make E-9 is at Over 10 years, with your monthly basic pay being 6657.30. You exceed that as soon as you hit O-3, which at Over 4 years of service puts you at 7112.40. So you could either be a hell of an enlisted man and a statistical anomaly and, having enlisted at 18, hit E-9 right before you get to 30 years old, or you could just be a regular college grad and make guaranteed O-3 after 4 years of service by the time you are 26.

Prior service navy nuke here.

What can yall tell me about the Air Guard? I've heard its easy, and I'm looking to pick up some extra cash and benefits. Is it worth it? Whats a typical drill weekend like?

Also, if anyone is considering joining the nuclear field, just let me know. I'll talk you out of it.

>>64129228

I never envied the nukes on the carrier. They were always secretive and seemed stressed out

>>64129161

I love that the article seems to put drug smuggling a sizeable amount of meth on the same level as using the company card at a strip club. Lol. Lmao even

The current most famous Navy SEAL. Also sold cocaine when off duty. Its not a big deal.

>>64068879

I wrote to my senator after the VA fucked up my registration. Two days later I got a call from a very frightened-sounding woman who had me explain the shit I'd been through with their system. A week later, it was fixed

>>64129278
Are you going to make the next thread dedicated to your new favorite servicemember?

>>64129264
Autistics cause problems when they aren't stressed, make the stinky fucks work harder.

>>64129214
>guaranteed O-3 after 4 years of service
Don't remind Armchair Warlord, he might pull his hair out in frustration

>>64129264
On my ship there was definitely a huge rift between reactor and the rest of the navy. Openly hostile at times. It stems from the fact that supply would never give us anything, and engineering would fuck us over at every turn. There were a few times where physical fights broke out between reactor and engineering.


"Fucking stupid topsider monkeys are on a pleasure cruise while we slave away" etc.

>>64129372
Who cares, its the same relationship between an IT fag and the rest of a company. You have an autist (which is code for dysfucntional) who thinks they are an underappreciated genius who everyone should follow.

They only respond well to mockery and abuse.

I think of suicide everyday and pray I suffer a grievous workplace accident so I get medboarded
If it wasn't for my fiance and my soldiers I would've gone ahead and shot myself already
t. Burnt out ssg
Btw don't enlist as a fucking tanker it's not worth it unless you're turbo hooah or a turbo autist war thunder player

>>64129656
It's not too late to reclass bro

>>64129425
ASVAB waiver detected

Are Barrack Bunnies really a thing? Are they common?

How many servicemen are raising other servicemen's kids? Is it actually that common?

Even officers get involved in silly billy situations
>Have you heard the tale of David "Da Stroker" Hale? He was a general officer serving in Turkey. He had four Colonels who worked for him. He was fond of sending them TDY so he could entertain their wives. He even went as far as sending himself and the chosen wife TDY to nice spots on the Aegean Sea and coastal Italy and France. The premise was that they would pleasure him and he would advance their husband's career. Dude was hungry. He didn't settle for one or two wives. He had to have all four. Hella greedy. But was only reduced one rank. He was the second general officer to be court martialed since the UCMJ was enacted. He was the first general officer recalled from retirement to face a court martial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hale_(general)

>>64130570
>>64130570
>>64130570
Migrate whenever

>>64121086
>with the NJROTC I can jump to an E3
That applies to all branches. I was in AFJROTC and I'm getting E3, and I'm joining the Army.