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Anonymous No.64065712 [Report] >>64065717 >>64065968 >>64066342 >>64070271 >>64070292 >>64071013 >>64074413 >>64079279 >>64079288 >>64082160 >>64085293 >>64092394
Post obscure ammo
Anonymous No.64065717 [Report] >>64065723
>>64065712 (OP)
Anonymous No.64065723 [Report] >>64065738
>>64065717
Is that .32 necked down to .25?
Anonymous No.64065738 [Report] >>64065740 >>64065762 >>64070568
>>64065723
Yep
Anonymous No.64065740 [Report] >>64065788 >>64075771
>>64065738
They also made a .380 necked down to .32
Anonymous No.64065762 [Report]
>>64065738
I'd like to shoot one, I'd imagine it's snappy
Anonymous No.64065788 [Report]
>>64065740
>cut vs uncut
Lmao
Anonymous No.64065968 [Report] >>64070955 >>64079450
>>64065712 (OP)
I want to live in the winchester wingo timeline.
Imagine all the ice orbs to be shot or whatever the fuck they were on about
Anonymous No.64065998 [Report] >>64081156
I'd post regular .303 british, seeing how fucking hard it is to keep my 1917 properly fed these days
Anonymous No.64066342 [Report] >>64068951 >>64075780
>>64065712 (OP)
Tell me about it; I've been trying to scrounge some .303 cases at the range to get closer to loading .410 Indian Musket (.303 but straightwall, basically loaded with round ball for smoothbore SMLEs). I think I have like 3 mixed cases.
Anonymous No.64066368 [Report]
It's caseless!
Anonymous No.64067375 [Report] >>64067430 >>64071017
teatfire
Anonymous No.64067381 [Report] >>64071225
lipfire
Anonymous No.64067386 [Report] >>64071017
cupfire
Anonymous No.64067399 [Report]
Wesley Richards Explora (12ga) and Fauneta (20ga) cartridges. These were for ball-and-shot aka paradox guns. The projectile is actually a lightweight hollowpoint slug, the cone you see sticking out the shell is a hollow sheetmetal aerodynamic cap.
Anonymous No.64067406 [Report] >>64067412 >>64070791 >>64071017 >>64071233
Wanda shotshells.
Anonymous No.64067412 [Report] >>64071017
>>64067406
Anonymous No.64067417 [Report]
Military shot cartridges for .577 Snider.
Anonymous No.64067430 [Report]
>>64067375
These are for shooting people in the teat.
Anonymous No.64068180 [Report]
Anonymous No.64068282 [Report] >>64069450 >>64071218 >>64073738 >>64075776 >>64093665
Anonymous No.64068951 [Report] >>64071197
>>64066342
depending on method of transfer i may have some casings available
Anonymous No.64068984 [Report]
I don't want to shoot old ammo anymore, it's just destruction of a time where I didn't have to worry about anything
Anonymous No.64069365 [Report] >>64069398 >>64070244 >>64084524
9mm which is a small BB in a plastic case meant to be fired out of blank barrels without the plug.
Got a few boxes and really really want to fire it but it supposedly bounces around a bit and damages the barrel.

Bullets look cool as fuck tho.
Anonymous No.64069398 [Report] >>64070260
>>64069365
Anonymous No.64069450 [Report]
>>64068282
Grandad left me some of that in 30-06. 55gr .223 soft point at 4000 feet per second they say.
Anonymous No.64070244 [Report]
>>64069365
See if you can find a use P320 to use strictly as a test bed for these.
Anonymous No.64070260 [Report] >>64070383
>>64069398
>Swedish plastic bullet 9mm blanks
Dear god, I'm getting flashbacks to my conscription when my retarded squadmate lit off an entire 36-round mag of those fuckers inside the car we were traveling in.
The entire cabin was filled with fine red dust that left us scrambling out of the car, coughing, spitting, and wheezing for breath for a solid 15 minutes.
Probably gonna get some kind of über-cancer from inhaling 3 lifetimes worth of microplastics in 10 seconds.
Anonymous No.64070271 [Report]
>>64065712 (OP)
I have a box of 4/5 sabot 12 GA 50 bmg slugs. Production made from a botique ammo company in so cal in the 80s or 90s.
Anonymous No.64070292 [Report] >>64070629
>>64065712 (OP)
Anonymous No.64070383 [Report]
>>64070260
Ni gav väll han ett kok stryk för det?
Anonymous No.64070568 [Report]
>>64065738
Reminds me of muh dick.
Anonymous No.64070629 [Report]
>>64070292
AA 9mm
Anonymous No.64070658 [Report] >>64070703 >>64108012
Anonymous No.64070703 [Report]
>>64070658
Its it anything like 2mm?
Anonymous No.64070791 [Report] >>64070992 >>64071265 >>64093670 >>64093670
>>64067406
I feel like these have asbestos in them.
Anonymous No.64070955 [Report] >>64071276
>>64065968
>ice orbs

I think they were glass balls.
Anonymous No.64070977 [Report] >>64070989 >>64070996
When something really big needs to be dead right. fucking. now.
Anonymous No.64070989 [Report] >>64072442
>>64070977
>70 grains cordite
Anonymous No.64070992 [Report] >>64071011 >>64071052 >>64072138 >>64072239 >>64074933
>>64070791
I doubt anyone here really cares about your feelings.
Anonymous No.64070996 [Report]
>>64070977
It just bugs the fuck out of me that cartridge is placed wrong.
Anonymous No.64071011 [Report] >>64071029 >>64071280 >>64074959 >>64075823
>>64070992
I wonder if anyone here cares about mesothelioma
Anonymous No.64071013 [Report] >>64071086
>>64065712 (OP)
ive got an old shitty spanish no name revolver that takes 38lc, is that obscure enough
Anonymous No.64071017 [Report] >>64071025
>>64067386
>>64067375
how did these even work, and how well

>>64067412
>>64067406
whats so special about these?
Anonymous No.64071025 [Report] >>64072190
>>64071017
>how did these even work
Same general idea as rimfire, just with slightly different geometry. Rimfire was much more popular, probably because it didn't have the clocking problem of lipfire, and the rim made extraction and headspacing easy.

>what's so special
They're transparent so they look cool.
Anonymous No.64071029 [Report]
>>64071011
I just know the ambulance-chasing lawyer commercials are oppressing me.
Anonymous No.64071052 [Report] >>64071290 >>64071721 >>64077600
>>64070992
Why is everyone so hostile on this board these days? Go jack off or something, dude.
Anonymous No.64071086 [Report]
>>64071013
.38 s&w is also an oddball, not as much as .38 LC tho
Anonymous No.64071154 [Report]
.577 Manstopper
Anonymous No.64071192 [Report]
Anonymous No.64071195 [Report]
Anonymous No.64071197 [Report]
>>64068951
Thanks for the offer anon but I'm going to go the fireforming route from what .303 cases I can find. Not to mention I'm flat broke ATM and it is absolutely a backburner project; there's pretty much no spare cash to be buying primers, depriming punches, and components to load what is more or less a gun that will see minimal range use.
Anonymous No.64071218 [Report] >>64071285 >>64074959
>>64068282
I know a guy that hunts deer with boxes of accelerator ammo he scrounges from gun stores, gun shows, etc. Apparently they work rather well in his gun.
Anonymous No.64071225 [Report]
>>64067381
The Allen and Wheelock revolver this ammunition was made for was steampunk beautiful.
I remember seeing one of the revolvers at the Civil War Museum in Philadelphia, (before it closed, :^( ), and therevolver looked like it should have been made in the early 1900s during the Art Deco period, not during the civil war.
Anonymous No.64071233 [Report] >>64071388
>>64067406
Does the plastic become brittle over time?
Anonymous No.64071265 [Report]
>>64070791
>I feel like these have asbestos in them.
Asbestos was used as the sacred cloth to cremate kings, so no remains would be left behind accidentally on the pure.
In other words, “fuck off hater”.
Anonymous No.64071276 [Report] >>64071284 >>64086735
>>64070955
Nah, ice orbs. Ice palace. San Diego.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingo_(shooting)
Anonymous No.64071280 [Report]
>>64071011
>I wonder if anyone here cares about mesothelioma
I’m still pissed off lead based oil paint is practically banned.
Anonymous No.64071284 [Report] >>64071314 >>64086735
>>64071276
Anonymous No.64071285 [Report] >>64071314
>>64071218
I tried to handload something similar for .300 Win Mag. I got very consistent velocity but the accuracy was shit, probably because the twist rate was so far off.
Anonymous No.64071290 [Report]
>>64071052
War tourist upset this isn't a RU/UA thread
Anonymous No.64071295 [Report]
17.5mm Dutch Snider
Not to be confused with 17.5mm Danish Snider, which is rimfire.
Anonymous No.64071314 [Report] >>64071418
>>64071284
Holy shit, a Qwik-Point.

>>64071285
I've heard mixed accuracy results; it must be a twist rate or barrel maker thing where some guns shoot it well and others hate it.
Anonymous No.64071315 [Report]
.22 rem jet
Anonymous No.64071321 [Report]
.445 SuperMag, used to be popular for metallic silhouette shooting. It's basically a stretched, extra-powerful .44 Mag.
Anonymous No.64071331 [Report] >>64094936
Anonymous No.64071336 [Report]
.22CB and .22BB respectively
Anonymous No.64071342 [Report] >>64071698
9mm Flobert CB cap
Anonymous No.64071353 [Report] >>64071359
Miniature shotshell, made by Eley. These were for a pair of miniature shotguns that Purdey made for King George V in the early 1930's. The cartridges contain 2 grains of dust shot and 1.6 grains of powder.
Anonymous No.64071359 [Report]
>>64071353
One of the guns in question, an exact 1/6 scale model of the King's full size guns. Yes, the ejectors work. Apparently the king once used it to blast moths attracted to a candle flame.
Anonymous No.64071388 [Report] >>64072452
>>64071233
I would think so, that seems to be universally true for all plastic. I don't know if they're old enough for it to be really bad yet, but plastic does slowly distort shape and get brittle over time. It's worse with earlier plastic formulations compared to modern stuff.
Anonymous No.64071418 [Report]
>>64071314
I was using a Remington PSS that dated from before the freedom group takeover so the rifle was solid. With handloads or good ammo like Federal GMM I would get 1/2in groups at 100 yards easily. Even with hunting bullets it was rare I'd get worse than 1 MOA. But those sabots were all over the fucking place, my targets looked like I was patterning a shotgun. I didn't have any keyholing but it was like 20 MOA at 100 yards. I experimented with a few different bullet weights and that didn't seem to help much but once I ran out of my initial 100 pack of sabots I never bothered to buy any more.
Anonymous No.64071698 [Report] >>64099989
>>64071342
9mm Flobert is underappreciated.
Anonymous No.64071721 [Report] >>64072239
>>64071052
>everyone so hostile
>everyone is one guy
Don't confuse my ambivalence for hostility. And don't assume I give a rat's fuck about your feelings, if you do.
Anonymous No.64072138 [Report]
>>64070992
Why did you take that really personally for some reason? That time of the month?
Anonymous No.64072141 [Report]
224 Lard Arse
7.62mm Obese (rebated)
.338 Mr Creosote
.44 Mud Guts
.45 Cholesterol, Ackley Improved
Anonymous No.64072190 [Report]
>>64071025
For added context, a lot of those oddball revolver cartridges exist purely because Smith & Wesson managed to secure exclusive patent rights to the concept of bored through revolver cylinders, ergo if you wanted to make your own cartridge revolver, you would typically have to figure out a cartridge which had to be loaded from the front, and which the hammer could reach from the back.

I think the only guy who figured out a way to avoid that patent yet still use Smith & Wesson's rimfire cartridges was Slocum, who devised an assembly with sliding chambers (almost looks like tiny M203 grenade launcher barrels).
Anonymous No.64072239 [Report]
>>64070992
>>64071721
Don't trip on your trenchcoat there, bro. You must be 18 to post here.
Anonymous No.64072250 [Report] >>64072291
My buddy has a little “garden gun” in this, pretty neat. His dad swears his Italian grandparents brought it over from Italy
Anonymous No.64072291 [Report] >>64072309 >>64072335
>>64072250
9mm Flobert is awesome, it's basically the shotgun version of .22LR. Cheap, good for small game & pest control. Ideal for blasting snakes, gophers, pest birds, or just shooting cans or whatever for fun.
Anonymous No.64072309 [Report] >>64075636
>>64072291
There is also a 9mm centerfire shotshell, though I've never seen one in the US.
Anonymous No.64072335 [Report]
>>64072291
Very cool anon, I hadn’t seen those shots shells before
Anonymous No.64072442 [Report]
>>64070989
A light load, to be fair.
Anonymous No.64072452 [Report]
>>64071388
>that pic
>you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
Anonymous No.64073738 [Report]
>>64068282
ive got a box of that in .30-30
Anonymous No.64074413 [Report] >>64074966
>>64065712 (OP)
.50/.30 Salvo Squeezebore. For when you want to fire multiple bullets out of a .50 BMG rifle at once (varying amount depending on cartridge type) but also want it to be squeezebore at the same time. Next to a .460 Weatherby.
Anonymous No.64074419 [Report]
Anonymous No.64074933 [Report]
>>64070992
I care.
Anonymous No.64074959 [Report]
>>64071011
I wonder if anyone here is entitled to financial compensation.

>>64071218
I think the main issue with the things was that twist rates in larger .30 caliber bores weren't always adequate for these smaller projectiles, thus with some rifles, they just fail to properly stabilize.
Anonymous No.64074966 [Report] >>64075013
>>64074413
Wait, how do you make a squeezebore cartridge for a gun without a squeezebore?
Anonymous No.64075013 [Report] >>64075491 >>64075495
>>64074966
You make a squeezebore M2 barrel.
Anonymous No.64075491 [Report]
>>64075013
That makes me think of Colt's old Salvo Squeezebore project in the 60s and 70s, they had this idea of using triple-projectile loads in firearms converted to squeezebore, like some sort of Project SALVO / S.P.I.W. fever dream.

I recall two 9mm test-beds in particular for this concept which were built, one was one of their Stainless Service Pistol prototypes, and another was a regular old IMI Uzi. What they did was to cut off the front halves of their barrels, then graft on the squeezebore end, tapered inwards and hardened and all, and they did manage to get to basically get the ballistic effect they were looking for. Problem with this is that A, keeping the cartridges reliably intact during feeding without the multiple projectiles coming apart, B, concerns about fouling, and C, squeezebore barrels have a very short service life in non-artillery terms.

Also, that firing three times the projectile made for VERY stern recoil, the squeezebore SSP was difficult to do rapid fire with, while the Uzi was outright uncontrollable in full-auto.
Even assuming they were using smaller and lighter projectiles below 115gr in weight, that'd still likely be above 300gr per shot (ergo heavier than .45 Auto and the later 10mm Auto, and more than twice the weight of a conventional heavy 147gr 9mm), and I would not be surprised if the no doubt way higher chamber pressure boosted the cyclic rate on that Uzi too.
Anonymous No.64075495 [Report]
>>64075013
Wait, fuck, this must be from that Colt SSB project too. I should look at and read the image before posting.
Anonymous No.64075636 [Report] >>64075697 >>64075734
>>64072309
>9mm centerfire shotshell
youre not talking about these right?
Anonymous No.64075697 [Report] >>64075734
>>64075636
No, I know the ones he's talking about, they're like long fullbrass shotgun shells but they're 9mm, they wouldn't fit in 9mm Parabellum guns.
Anonymous No.64075734 [Report] >>64075786
>>64075636
No. I'm talking about the pic I posted. Not ratshot for 9x19 aka 9mm luger. I'm talking about a long paper shotshell with a brass head, just like 20ga or 12ga, but 9mm. Here's another pic of one--the orange one in the middle. From left to right:
9mm Flobert (rimfire), 9mm Centerfire, .360

>>64075697
They are usually paper but brass do exist as well.
Anonymous No.64075750 [Report] >>64075786
There's at least a few different 9mm shotgun shells for so called "Garden Guns" in Europe, some of the older ones are rimfire and even pinfire.
They're typically made for short break action handguns with smooth bores, like a sawed of single-barreled shotgun but small and made like that from the factory.

They tend to have few, if any, licensing requirements, because their ammo is a very light load of small shot, deliberately intended to be low in noise and range, strictly for killing small pest critters for gardening. You could pop a small rodent with one inside town limits and your neighbors won't file a noise complaint, because they may not even have heard it or realized it was a gunshot.
Anonymous No.64075771 [Report] >>64079425
>>64065740
.380 necked down to .223 when
Anonymous No.64075776 [Report]
>>64068282
My boomer coworker gave me one of those in 30-30
Anonymous No.64075780 [Report] >>64075794 >>64076465
>>64066342
Weren't virtually all those guns rechambered for conventional .410 Bore shotgun shells when they were imported to the west?

I guess if you were desperate, maybe ask if any company making .303 British would be willing to sell you a batch of cases which haven't had their necks formed yet. They probably won't, but can't hurt to ask.
Anonymous No.64075786 [Report]
>>64075750
Yeah, the .360 on the right of my pic in >>64075734 also exists as a pinfire version, which as I understand is more common than the .360 centerfire. These were also a thing in cane guns.
Anonymous No.64075794 [Report] >>64076465
>>64075780
>.303 British would be willing to sell you a batch of cases which haven't had their necks formed yet.
For what purpose? It's a nothingburger to remove the necks. Load a small charge of pistol powder and fill the case with cream of wheat or similar. Then fireform them. This is very common practice for handloaders forming brass for obscure cartridges.
Anonymous No.64075823 [Report]
>>64071011
I care.
That's what killed Steve McQueen.
Anonymous No.64076465 [Report]
>>64075780
>Weren't virtually all those guns rechambered for conventional .410 Bore shotgun shells when they were imported to the west?
Yes, unless you specifically bought the unconverted option back in the ~90s which IIRC was an option at basically the same price, or you bought the last remaining deadstock from the 90s from Centerfire when they got it in a couple months ago (from where, I have no fucking clue!). Centerfire had them for like $100/ea which was no doubt the only stock left in the US. The damn things have stamped (not "dot matrix" or laser engraved) import marks and the import mark matches with 90s Century import marks thanks to some people who have far too much time on their hands providing guides.
>then just get it converted
No =) (but I have toyed with the idea of getting it threaded for chokes and silencing it; should've bought two)
>.303 brit cases
This >>64075794, super easy to load with powder and fireform. IIRC I was watching someone do this and they recommended firing up instead of forward to ensure the case evenly expands.
Anonymous No.64077600 [Report]
>>64071052
>these days
newfag detected. the board has always been full if dickheads
Anonymous No.64079279 [Report]
>>64065712 (OP)
Smol
Anonymous No.64079288 [Report]
>>64065712 (OP)
Smol .223
Anonymous No.64079416 [Report] >>64084054
Lubaloy (copper washed lead) disappeared in ammo sizes larger than .22LR.
Anonymous No.64079425 [Report]
>>64075771
.22tcm is 9mm necked down to 22, so close enough?
Anonymous No.64079450 [Report] >>64079458
>>64065968
ratshot?
Anonymous No.64079458 [Report] >>64080305
>>64079450
Sort of.
For spherical flying rats.
Made of ice.
Anonymous No.64080305 [Report] >>64081478
>>64079458
It's really a pity that didn't take off. The ice ball thing is actually a really good idea, I bet they'd be satisfying to shoot, and at the same time the equipment can easily recycle the water, continuously re-freezing more balls as needed without the hassles of shipping & disposing of massive numbers of clay pigeons.
Anonymous No.64081156 [Report]
>>64065998
Get spam cans of Greek HXP. Boxer primed, non-corrosive, comes in stripper clips and bandoliers.
Anonymous No.64081478 [Report] >>64082067 >>64084012
>>64080305
You could also replace the lead shot with annealed iron shot, you're not hunting, so it's fine.
Anonymous No.64082067 [Report] >>64084012
>>64081478
yeah, steel or iron shot would be great for that. It's cheap, it's safe, it's recyclable, it's easy for machinery to handle and sort with magnets.
Anonymous No.64082160 [Report] >>64082179 >>64082377
>>64065712 (OP)
sintereisen
Anonymous No.64082179 [Report] >>64082671
>>64082160
lead? no. sintered iron powder
Anonymous No.64082206 [Report]
fin-stabilized discarding sabot shotgun slug
Anonymous No.64082377 [Report]
>>64082160
Ah yes, the WW2 Poverty Special load.
Anonymous No.64082430 [Report]
12ga tracer
Anonymous No.64082665 [Report] >>64083465 >>64083468 >>64084830
Post real oddball loadings which make you go "... but WHY?"
Anonymous No.64082671 [Report] >>64082978 >>64084688
>>64082179
What exactly is the difference in these rounds?
Anonymous No.64082978 [Report]
>>64082671
No different from most of them, it's just an example of the various headstamps of German military 9mm. Most of those are the same shit just made in a different year or at a different factory.
Anonymous No.64083465 [Report] >>64084347
>>64082665
Less the load and more the case, but "but why" still applies.
Anonymous No.64083468 [Report] >>64083493
>>64082665
And this because IIRC it's activated by opening (?) but it's just fuckin' cool so that's reason enough.
Anonymous No.64083493 [Report]
>>64083468
It actually activates with shock just like a glowstick but it turns out there wasn't a huge market for tracer shotgun rounds.
Anonymous No.64084012 [Report]
>>64081478
>>64082067
Looks like it was lead, missed opportunity from winchester desu.
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/wingo-sub-22-cal-shotshell-revisited-with-photos/39684/15

>The building was purpose built for the new sport and luxurious in its appointments. It contained a service and concession area, a restaurant and two sunken lounges with seating and color slide shows of sporting activities.
Sounds comfy
Anonymous No.64084054 [Report]
>>64079416
I never realized that was what Lubaloy was. Real shame as it seems like a good idea, and likely rather cheap at that. I don't really trust modern Winchester, though, so even if it were brought back under the Winchester brand I probably wouldn't buy it. Seems like a nice upgrade over polymer coated lead though IMO.
Anonymous No.64084247 [Report] >>64084284
Anonymous No.64084284 [Report] >>64084365
>>64084247
Anonymous No.64084347 [Report] >>64084420
>>64083465
To be dirt cheap?
Anonymous No.64084365 [Report] >>64084375 >>64084420
>>64084284
The fuck? I thought it was weird cropping at a glance, but apparently a chunk is cut out of the rim for some reason?
Anonymous No.64084375 [Report] >>64086706
>>64084365
It's apparently from some czech program in the 70's. Why a 1911? Who knows!
Here's something from a related program at Colt that used a luger, I assume for similarly inscrutable reasons
Anonymous No.64084420 [Report] >>64084928 >>64099799
>>64084347
I mean, it works, but it's just wild that anyone ever tried steel case 22LR. It's already insanely cheap and (from what I remember about tests of steel case rifle rounds) it seems shooting steel case 22 would save so much less and the wear it may cause to a chamber or mag might actually make it a worse option (AFAIK 22s have been known to get into the hundreds of thousands of rounds without much complaining, even on an original barrel where a good clean gets it back to shooting rather accurately). It was also filthy lol. Not to mention this was manufactured on an insane scale. Maybe still is. If anything, and I don't want to give anyone ideas to ruin the reliability of 22LR here, I'd think aluminum cased 22 would probably be the easier and safer option, though with such tight bends I don't know how stamping would go. And aluminum oxide (which all aluminum is coated in) is an abrasive used on sandpaper, so...

>>64084365
Having three bullets it has to be a timing thing. Wonder if the interior of the spine of the mag has a little track that keeps it at the 3 or 9 o'clock. Always wondered how a round like that would stay rotationally "straight" enough to chamber.
Anonymous No.64084524 [Report]
>>64069365
Those plastic blanks have a risk of getting stuck in the barrel if you shoot without a blank fire adapter. They stuck barely one bullets length in pine board when I tried in my Hi Power. Also failed to cycle, very underwhelming imo.
Anonymous No.64084688 [Report]
>>64082671
not much difference. just the last ones are interesting because they're ersatz (sintereisen)
Anonymous No.64084830 [Report] >>64084907 >>64086706 >>64099668
>>64082665
Anonymous No.64084907 [Report]
>>64084830
Looks like someone didn't pre-heat their BB's. Or the mold.
Anonymous No.64084928 [Report]
>>64084420
>Having three bullets it has to be a timing thing
That. It's to clock the case correctly as it feeds.
Anonymous No.64085293 [Report] >>64085334
>>64065712 (OP)
Necked pistol calibers are peak and I don't care that on average they add about 28¢ to production cost per bullet.
Anonymous No.64085334 [Report] >>64094936
>>64085293
Agreed 100%
Anonymous No.64086706 [Report]
>>64084375
I figure that the 1911 was used as the testbed because .45 caliber meant enough space to fit all three .20 caliber projectiles in a case like that.
That Luger probably worked much worse with the curving rifled bores there.

>>64084830
WHAT?
Anonymous No.64086735 [Report] >>64089876
>>64071276
>>64071284
>ice balls as targets

I use ice cubes as reactive targets to shoot with my airguns and .22, they explode really nicely and also are cheap and mess free.
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Anonymous No.64087152 [Report] >>64089406
Anonymous No.64089406 [Report]
>>64087152
This is Swiss right?
Anonymous No.64089876 [Report]
>>64086735
These were to be hollow too, which would make busting them even more dramatic.
I wonder how the machinery was set up, to mass produce hollow ice orbs automatically, feed, and launch them.
Anonymous No.64092394 [Report] >>64092422 >>64092724 >>64094670 >>64094845
>>64065712 (OP)
4.6×36, intended for the HK36.
Note the spoon top, a sorely underutilized design element.
It got brought back for 4.6×30mm but I don't think it ended up being used for one reason or another
Anonymous No.64092422 [Report] >>64094845
>>64092394
Anonymous No.64092433 [Report]
Crazy this stuff is molded to be one piece.
Anonymous No.64092724 [Report] >>64092845
Not sure if these are quite obscure enough, but neither are listed in my Hornady reloading manual. .351 SL (longer cartridge) and .35 SLR (shorter), can supposedly both be shot from an appropriately chambered Winchester 1907, but I only have 5 rounds of the SLR, so I'm probably not going to test it until I learn more and buy more. To make matters more confusing, there is also a .351 SLR, which is just .351 SL, but made by Remington.

>>64092394
Okay, you got me. Why the spoon top?
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>>64092724
The intention behind the spoon tip is to induce tumbling.
There's a surprising amount of different calibers that experimented with the concept, including a 5.56 loading from FN ,6.5x25 CBJ and some .32 acp
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>>64068282
Spds? Soft point discarding sabot?
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>>64093665
Doesn't damage the meat like HEAT
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>>64092394
Oh yes, H&K did some crackpipe fueled experiments with an absurd rifle using spoontipped projectiles during the early 1970s. The notion was to maximize terminal effect and make the trajectory mega-flat, yet have them destabilize and quickly lose speed after 300m or something like that. For safety.

You need to post the rifle and magazines too, that shit was goofy as hell. The HK36 rifle itself used this 4.6x36mm cartridge and H&K's favorite roller-delayed blowback, it had a VERY high cyclic rate at 1200rds and a very in-line stock.
The magazine was the more absurd part, initially using conventional detachables, but eventually it was a 30rd box fixed to the rifle and had a door on left side, you'd drop in a fucking 30rd plastic packet (en-bloc/Mannlicher clip?) into there and shut the door, this being intended to be lighter than detachable steel magazines. I forgot what that fucking tape even did.

It had no irons, only a built in reflex sight, they were really trying to be the next futuristic thing possible next to the still developing G11.
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>>64093665
Discarding sabot, yes. Imagine being able to get something like .270 Remington ballistics out of an unmodified .30-06 Sprg rifle, using a lighter and smaller projectile in the same kind of case and powder load.

Didn't work out that great, as they would not work well in all rifles. Generally attributed to the twist rates or/and styles of rifling in many guns being unsuitable for the projectile weights and lengths.
For some people it actually worked like it should, and some thought it was great, but it wasn't a big market hit.

Antigunners absolutely shat their pants at it, like they shat ALL the pants they had, and even shat future pants they hadn't bought yet nor which had yet to be sown.
Their takeaway was that there would be no rifling marks on the bullets to match to the gun, so these sabots were totally gonna be the ultimate assassin's bullet which would let anyone get away with any murder they wanted.
In practice, this never actually happened, and that's a pretty retarded interpretation, but they did make histrionic noise about it.

They had a similar reaction to a briefly available commercial caseless rifle cartridge (using a rifle or pistol powered by a battery), which ended up being used only by very few hunters and some bench shooters, before vanishing from the market.
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>>64092422
Supposedly the 4.6x36mm cartridge and its various loads had worse armor penetration than the SS109 / M855 Ball, which is one of the key reasons the project ended. The "Löeffenspitz" probably worked against it for both soft and hard armor.
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>>64085334
they are perfect
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>>64094816
For armored wildebeests?
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>>64094845
I saw some boomers talking about homebrew spoontip .32 acp and raving about it. Unfortunately the proofs were in a dead youtube video
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>>64094390
Megarim
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>>64094816
>Tungsten core
That seems exceedingly expensive and extremely overkill.
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>>64084830
But seriously, WHAT?
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>>64084420
>but it's just wild that anyone ever tried steel case 22LR. It's already insanely cheap and (from what I remember about tests of steel case rifle rounds) it seems shooting steel case 22 would save so much
Try thinking beyond yesterday and materials availability and materials prices from the country that made it.

Kinda like when East Germany made body panels out of cotton with plasticizers. It wasn't cheaper, it wasn't better in the long run. I'll let you research why they did this material for decades over something like steel, aluminum, or plastic body panels.
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>>64071698
where can i buy these?
Anonymous No.64102349 [Report] >>64102370
>>64099668
someone put BB's in a bullet mold then poured lead in. The lead didn't fill the mold properly because the BB's weren't preheated first, the lead cooled down when it touched them.

>why would someone do this
fuck if I know
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>>64102349
It basically acted like a "wax slug" from a shotgun shell. Acts as a single bullet when fired and mostly when traveling, then when it hits a target spreads out with the BBs and lead fragments.

As others pointed out, yes the "correct" way of adding more lead and giving the bullet more structure would be pre-heating the BBs and mold to let the lead flow more evenly. But at the end of the day, I'm not sure if its needed for the bullets intention.
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>>64102370
fug should've posted a silly bullet pic.
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>>64102374
I feel like it would struggle to hold together.
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>>64104435
I believe the .450 Mars Long is supposed to be roughly comparable to .44 Remington Magnum or .45 Winchester Magnum, and that's pretty damn impressive for such an early automatic pistol.

I can also see why the British Army declined it, because that's a fuckload of gun for a sidearm.
Anonymous No.64104569 [Report] >>64104766
>>64104480
Yeah, they were all pretty fucking hot except for the .45 Short.
According to Erlmeier and Brandt there was even an experimental extra-powerful .450 that had a 1.3" long case. It doesn't give any velocity information, but presumably it would be even more powerful than the normal .45 mars long, which had a 1.09" long case and made about 1100 ft-lb.
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>>64104463
Let me know what you get past "feels" and try shooting it or run some mathematical model on it.
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>>64103120
I love captove piston rounds. There were also silent captive piston 12ga rounds developed in the US
Anonymous No.64104721 [Report] >>64108093
What a shame gallery guns are gone, i'd love to pop some shit in the back yard again.
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>>64104661
That's pretty sweet. What book is that?
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>>64104569
>According to Erlmeier and Brandt
Also per their book the 8.5mm Mars did a whopping 1755 fps. That's insane.
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>>64104734
Worlds fighting shotguns, 1978. The best reference book for combat shotguns pre 1978.
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>>64104661
I'm pretty sure that Tunnel Rats used .44 Magnum revolvers with captive piston buckshot cartridges when hunting gooks unnaground in Vietnam.

It was greatly appreciated because firing an unsilenced gun in one of those cramped little dirt tunnels is unpleasant at best. This did not stop one mad motherfucker from going down there with an honest to god elephant gun though.
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>>64104789
Thanks anon, I will track down a copy.
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>>64070658
Apparently Jeffrey Epstein's penis looked like this.
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>>64104721
European manufacturers still makr them. Called flobert.
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>>64108093
There probably isn't a whole lot of difference between .22 short and a 6mm flobert specific gun. I wonder if they're worth the effort to get and source ammo for.
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>>64108238
These pics are probably 15 years old, and its kinda funny seeing people post about "whoa check out this totally new bullet design" when it was done probably several decades ago.
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>>64110227
That is a pretty neat idea.