Thread 64067757

China has just demonstrated a master class in joint operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US8GaSiGjBM&t=110s

pretty based. That's how they used their flight hours with reliable real engines.

>>64067757 (OP)
Wow they found a stealth aircraft with an AWACS in the air, how novel.
Jesus friggin Christ guys let's welcome China to 1987

The thing about china that the chinese have right is that they are the bastion of civilization and we are the barbarians. 2000 years of society has bread the fight out of them, they are nothing to worry about.

>>64067769
they didn't find anything on their own radars tho. Just watch the video for more details of the masterclass.
But I bet the US didn't know that due to lack of real training.

>>64067777
This is literally a Chinese propaganda channel.
Low quality bullshit tailored to make China look implessive

>>64067757 (OP)
+$.50

>>64067777
>China: oh shit are those Americans? Let's show dem wat China can do
>America: fox three, splash one, fox three splash two, fox three, splash three. Heading home.

lol I guess chiggers are behind even Pakistan. I guess it make sense that Pakis can do AWACS operations before them because they were trained by USAF

Impressive.

>>64067757 (OP)
kill yourself chinkspammer

>>64067757 (OP)
implessive

Chinese airborne has arrived!

>>64067757 (OP)
that's the J-10s vs J-20 btw. We know now that with superior engines, the J-20 does not need to engage the afterburner to do simple maneuver. If it were an F22 instead, it could have been much worse.

>>64067848
>still spamming this slope cope
shamefur dispray

>>64067842
How is the fentanyl?

>>64067848
Wow I didn't chink engines were so advanced, is that why chink engines are sold for 90% aviation?

>>64067757 (OP)
Implessive

>>64067848
>that poor nose control
implessive!

>>64067864
nah. they just make honest engines.
The PLAAF is actually the most honest air force there is.

>>64067757 (OP)
implessive.

>>64067777
Wait until you have to go against a real air force and not fucking India LMAO. Chang over here moping and coping.

>>64067874
>nah. they just make honest engines.

>post chink gear with high praises
>immediately shits on western gear causing flame war
>complain when thread gets deleted
If you want a good faith discussion you can just post chink gear without shitting on western stuff.

>>64067874
Implessive, so who buys engines from a company that makes this honest engines?

>>64067848
>You can literally watch the J20 slowing down after coasting into a climb even in their propaganda videos, the slow pull up for better speed conversion, plus absolute dogshit linear COM making the spin pull it all over the place
Lmao, even Euro's are supelior

>>64067874
Oh did you not manage to feel guilt and shame (human emotions btw) after your last thread where everyone pointed out that you could use 18 different countries for reference on engine weight and performance? fucking KEK. chang threads are my favorite because of how little they understand about the rest of the world.
>"what do you mean truckers have to stop at weigh stations constantly, why?"
still laffing at that one

>>64067884
>If you want a good faith discussion you can just post chink gear without shitting on western stuff.
chinkspammer and the other turdies that like to pollute our board aren't here for good faith discussions

>>64067886
Pakistan but only because China extends them credit despite Pakistan's economy collapsing harder than a Chinese-made building in an earthquake.

>>64067888
maybe they'll try to cram another engine into it. like they always do

>>64067888
>make IMPRESSIVE planes
>got shot down
that's the consequence of the lack of real training in making aircrafts.

>>64067842
>when the nerve gas hits just right

>>64067908
>Aircrafts
You're not even trying you tard.

>>64067901
maybe if they add another canards, it will fly faster?
>b2
>6th gen btw
>4 engines btw
>sub-sonic
sad.

>>64067920
>more spam
implessive!

>>64067920
>b2
Are you aware of how these are even used? Is this an actual chink or someone trying to make them look bad? Genuinely asking.

>>64067920
>Oh look that aircraft the Chinese tried to copy from looking at our homework looks like our more advanced fighters and now he thinks we're trying to copy him because he's literally retarded
Try harder wumao

>>64067757 (OP)
Your own government/military has openly acknowledged that they are far behind in joint operations capability. I'm happy that you are finally doing the work to join the 20th century, but completing a single training exercise (between two elements in the same force, mind you) does not a superpower make.

>>64067777
Its funny that this graphic can't be found on their website.
...its almost like someone made it the fuck up.

>>64067920
>add another canards

>>64067920
The B-2 Spirit is not "6th gen." The generational classification system is for use concerning fighter aircraft and has never been used for strategic bombers.

>>64067940
>be a schizo
>can find statements that are not there
>can't find an obvious picture
meds
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/usafs-capacity-capability-and-readiness-crisis/

>>64067940
>its almost like someone made it the fuck up

>>64067959
So...its not from their website then? Which was what was stated.
Thanks for acknowledging that I was right. I'll make sure to mark this down in my notebook where I keep all my internet victories. Very gracious of you.

>>64067969
Mitchell Institute is not a website. It's a real physical space and the author works there.
An English course and some meds will do you good. I suggest clozapine max dose right off the bat.

>>64067959
This reads like "Congress please upgrade our budget 20, no, 30%"
The Chinese don't realize that American bureaucracy in military matters requires that we understate our capacity and try to frame the problem like something money can solve when in reality our Air Force is an order of magnitude more capable than the PLAAF and the bureaucrats want more coffee filters and the good Folger's for the break room.

>>64067777
>due to lack of real training.

quads of absolute detachment from reality

>>64067920
>fighter jet thread
>brings up b2
chinks are actually retarded lmao

>>64067986
> we understate our capacity
ehehehe
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/974413/navy-to-commission-destroyer-zumwalt/

>>64067842
Power line?

>>64067980
>Mitchell Institute is not a website.
https://www.mitchellaerospacepower.org/
>It's a real physical space
No one said they didn't have an address
>and the author works there.
He retired nearly two decades ago and has jackshit to his name in the public sphere since then. He also provides no sources, places an infographic unrelated to the section it is in, said infographic doesn't seemingly come from where he says it did, and merely quotes "reported" chinese flight hours much later in the article. He's a fucking hack trying to get more money for the USAF (which is his job description) not actually do any worthwhile analysis. The fact that this is the only piece of "evidence" you have is more damning than no evidence at all.

>>64067980
>Mitchell Institute is not a website
https://www.mitchellaerospacepower.org
How odd

>>64068011
You can't win them all

>John “JV” Venable, a 25-year veteran of the U.S. Air Force who served in three combat operations, is the author of a book on leading high performance teams, “Breaking the Trust Barrier” (Berrett-Koehler, 2016) and is a sought-after speaker to businesses, associations, universities, and high schools on building and leading high performance teams, ethical leadership, and “the power of big dreams.”
Bro is a fucking motivational speaker for hire.

>>64068043
>“the power of big dreams.”
Well that explains why the chinks like him so much

>>64068011
Zumwalts ended up being really expensive so we decided to go with the Flight III Burkes.
Stealth warships aren't worth $8 billion each to the US taxpayer.

>need to bolster confidence in our military
>pay bug people to lie on the internet for you
>they're not even good at it
I'd be miffed tbqhfamalam

Oh yeah, this is the guy who knows what's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpWPxVPPcu8

>>64067920
if the chinks tried a tailless design like the illustrated NGAD it would spin like a boomerang back and crash into the strip they launched it from

>>64068067
Do they commit to the bit or get a new shill image? You just cant write comedy like this. Its truly special

>>64068069
Then it would never be spoken of again because the chinks refuse to acknowledge any of their losses.

>>64068069
yea
needs more canards
>>64068019
the White House is also not a website. If I can't find epstein files on whitehouse.gov, it doesn't mean the files aren't there.
>>64068069
yea

>>64068096
>If I can't find epstein files on whitehouse.gov, it doesn't mean the files aren't there
glad we cleared that up. so in other words you don't have a source like what was originally requested?

>>64068096
>the White House is also not a website. If I can't find epstein files on whitehouse.gov, it doesn't mean the files aren't there.
The White House is a seat of goverance, the Mitchell Instiute is an organization that publishes papers in the hopes of influencing policy. Putting shit on their website is literally what they do. And even if we want to entertain they have "sekrit papers" why should anyone take them seriously when they are not open to public inspection? This is the same logic that is applied when people talk about the "Epstein Files" while not releasing them.

>>64068109
>it.. doesn't count...
ror

>>64068117
>publishes papers in the hopes of influencing policy

senator PedoGOP: "they say we only have 90s flight hours per capita, is it true?"
Pentagon chud: "no"
wow. Their cover has been blown!!!

>>64068117
>why should anyone take them seriously when they are not open to public inspection
You're wasting your time. Chinks literally cannot comprehend peer review. It's why ebay machinist send parts they make wrong to their little hubs they have in California, because they know its getting shipped back to the mainland and 3d modeled before having cnc machines pump them out in an effort to undercut the original seller.

>>64068125
I genuinely can't even understand what point you are hoping to make through the buzz words and zoomzoom-speak.

>>64068122
that's not what i said at all esl
>I dont have a source
we know

>Your own government/military has openly acknowledged that they are far behind in joint operations capability. I'm happy that you are finally doing the work to join the 20th century, but completing a single training exercise (between two elements in the same force, mind you) does not a superpower make.
Still waiting.
You're not afraid to address the topic of the thread, are you?

>its not a website
but it is? why even list the institution on the image if you didn't want it referenced?
>okay its a website but the data is hidden
why? that doesn't make any sense at all
>epstein
unreal

>>64068133
the point is if what they said were false it would be easily verified during the hearings. It would be retarded of them to falsify something so easily verifiable.
>inb4 they will approve the budget increase knowing it was false anyway
what is the use of thinktanks and lobbying then?
cope more, grandpa.

>>64068170
you're not even in the same ballpark as the discussion at hand. you're not having the argument you think you are.

>>64067842
sssmokin'!

>>64068178
>more cope and denial
oh yea they are going to deliberately lie to Congress using easily verifiable data.
also you are a noserve nogun shitting on an air force colonel. Top kek.
He is the source. Feel free to prove otherwise.

>>64068197
im not even the original person you were arguing with, im saying you're so off base you might as well be talking about aloe vera. its deranged

>>64068170
>something so easily verifiable
Then post something that verifies it that isn't just an unsourced blog post from some nobody.

>>64068203
>im not even the original person you were arguing with
good you can take his balls off your mouth then.

>>64068197
Post timestamp gun pic, since you decided to bring funz up.

>>64068226
>that doesn't count because... I don't like it!!!
or
>mama told me the flight hours were 200 per capita!!!
I have provided a source with credible connection to the air force for those numbers. Feel free to find any other source disputing that number. Your mom can count if she was an air force colonel.

>>64068228
Do chinsects out eachother's ball in their mouths because chinsect benis is way too smol to stick in someone's mouth?

>>64068273
you linked to a pundit who cites nothing to support his claim, keep coping turdie

>>64068273
Why are so so desperate to talk about anything except what you originally brought up and were challenged on? Why are you so scared?

>>64067842
Not funny, this is how Bill Nye the science guy died.

>>64068273
>with credible connection to the air force for those numbers
No you didn't. You posted an unverifiable claim with a, "trust me bro, the report is totally real, it just goes to a different school" teir source. Source on chinsect flight hours? And no, flight simulator training does get to be included in your total flight hours, Abdul the inbred ape. The US only quotes flight hours when the pilot is physically in his plane flying it in the real world.

>>64068334
>And no, flight simulator training does get to be included
doesn't*

>>64067842
They need support! Here comes the Chinese marines!

>>64067848
>need

>>64068353
>stands around for six minutes
WHY ARE THEY LIKE THIS?????

>>64067757 (OP)
so you do know that your propaganda video has the AWACS within the NEZ of the aggressor craft, right?

>>64068197
>also you are a noserve nogun
Chinks cant even get the memes right.
>>64068396
They're not human

>Your own government/military has openly acknowledged that they are far behind in joint operations capability. I'm happy that you are finally doing the work to join the 20th century, but completing a single training exercise (between two elements in the same force, mind you) does not a superpower make.
Did you run away? Where did you go?

>>64068396
not my problem

>>64068545
>>64068353
From what Ive seen irl, chink situational awareness is overall poor, having lived 10 minutes away from a China town. Basic environmental triggers such as lights changing consistently take them quite a few seconds to notice. I don't know whether this horrid shit is a consequence of this or they simply don't give a fuck.

>>64067848
>american technology from 30 years ago is still better than chinese tech from <10 years ago

>>64068334
>it... doesn't count
I have posted my source. Feel free to refute it with yours.
>>64068312
idk what the fuck you are talking about schizo.
>>64068504
>"your government"
source? The US has never said such thing. If you meant China's, then also source?
Did you take clozapine yet?
>>64067890
>everyone
meds.

>>64067777
quads of truth.

The US can't even fly one plane anymore lmao and China can fly a couple in tandem? Sure that's 80's shit but the US forgot how flight works! That F35 last week lmao!

>>64069399
>have posted my source
Where? The website we had to track down ourselves that doesn't list said info? Lmao. I can't believe they pay you for this.

>>64068637
It's both their situational awareness and their complete lack of human empathy. They are physically incapable of feeling for their fellow beings. It has been bred out of them by the Mongols, the Manchus, and the CCP, all running a centuries-long train on the once human psyche of chinks. The less the peasant bug people can depend and count on each other, the more they can count on and kowtow to you, the governing body. There is no better herbicide against the seeds of enlightenment and rebellion than systematic dehumanization.

>>64069399
>I have posted my source
"Trust me bro" isn't a source.
https://warwingsdaily.com/comparison-of-fighter-pilots-annual-flying-hours/

>>64069565
We've lost a grand total of 13 F-35s in training incidents.
We also lost 17 F-22s.
How many has China lost? China won't say. China is afraid to say.

>>64069661
>worldpress
now talk about a blogspot.
author
>admin6969
vs
>Col. John “JV” Venable, USAF, (Ret.), is a Senior Resident Fellow at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies. He is a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons Instructor Course and a veteran of three combat operations with more than 3,300 hours in the F-16C.

I yield admin69420

>>64069577
here
>Col. John “JV” Venable, USAF, (Ret.), is a Senior Resident Fellow at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies. He is a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons Instructor Course and a veteran of three combat operations with more than 3,300 hours in the F-16C.
email to letters@afa.org
or mail to
Air & Space Forces Association
1201 South Joyce St., C6
Arlington, VA 22202
now where is your source?

>>64067757 (OP)
Nobody is going to mention that he has no visor to protect his eyes

>>64069716
>>64069719
It's obvious to anyone who read this shit that understating US capabilities is a tactic used to try and get more budget money out of Congress. Every single branch of the military has to frame a problem like China or North Korea and make it seem like a problem money can fix.
Why are you so new to this? Did your thirdie country just get the internet?

>>64069746
>protect his eyes
from what? UV? glares?
Think about it a little bit. You'll get it.
>>64069748
>it... doesn't count
>they actually lie to Congress under oath
impressive

>understating US capabilities
give one example that one of those thinktanks "understated" a capacity

>>64067757 (OP)
Come get Taiwan bitch, stop posting propaganda and come take your humiliation pill

>>64069766
Westerners are under the assumption that thirdies have at least some capacity for critical thinking.
turns out you guys are just retarded. Carry on.

>>64067757 (OP)
>China has just demonstrated a master class in joint operation.
Yeah? Did you win in a game deisgned where you win? Well done little yello man.

>>64068353
This shit needs to be done like, today.

>>64069772
>can't show a single example out of those "obvious" tactics
you will never be American, roo

free piss eggs for everybody we won agaist ourselves hail emeror xi and look at this plastic cuopt holder that just got made for westeners to throw in the bin not even covering manuacturing cost because china=retarded

>>64067757 (OP)
Shouldn't you be biking to your second job to sew my goddamn nikes, Li?

>oh cool china military hardware thread
>it's nothing (again)
I wouldn't mind seeing them do stuff on the world stage. Unfortunately, all I ever see is CHINA STRONK threads and it's all very tiresome.

>>64069716
May i see his reports on US flight hours? Also the one he used to determine chiner flys more?

>>64069781
>go do my research for me
How about no. How about you fuck off and go think for yourself.

>>64069780
would they notice?

>>64069814
just email him. You are American right?
>>64069807
>post serious thread
>mutts and its puppies can stop seething about the slightest of banters
and they say that China has a "face" culture. Pure projection. Picrel.
Oh I mispoke. It's not face. It's "credibility."
+2 credit has been added to your FICO score.

>>64069638
>The less the peasant bug people can depend and count on each other, the more they can count on and kowtow to you
makes you wonder how much of the US' internal antagonism has been programmed by our enemies.
I mean, beep boop fuck liberals

>>64069835
Just post the fucking reports.

Chinese pilots these days get more flight hours annually than US pilots and it's been that way for a few years now. It makes sense they'd learn at a rapid pace.
Never understood why /k/ consistently underestimates their air capabilities. Can only hope the pentagon isn't staffed with the same ideologues you regularly see on this board

>>64067777
Back in reality the USAF F-35 pilots averaged 147 hours in 2024 with a target of 180.

>>64069844
the reports has been succinctly summarized in >>64067777
beautiful quads btw
if you want raw data, just email the man. His office is in DC. Or are you afraid that they will see your kangaroo IP and not taking you seriously? Surely you must be a US citizen to defend our honor this ... passionately, right?

>>64067757 (OP)
>reliable real engines
>reliable
LMAO
LOL

>>64069853
>USAF only has f-35s and nothing else
>target

>>64069822
They'd be too busy drowning, I guess.

>>64069835
China is a face culture, that's why the Chinese won't show the world how many J-16s and J-20s it lost in training. Surely, the Chinese have valid training hours, right? Zero training losses means the Chinese aren't training. I don't believe that. The Chinese are liars.

>>64069864
>our honor
>our
post hands gun and outlet

>>64069766
The big nuke in the sky fucking ragebaiting spastic

>>64069900
Chinks naturally squint their eyes which in turn provides natural protection against the sun in exchange for lower field-of-vision which is why they don't notice the drowning kids from those earlier webms.

>>64067776
>bread

>>64067848
I'm endlessly fascinated by what the Chinese think is flex-worthy militarily-speaking. Their thought process is so close to being correct, and yet so far. It makes me feel like David Attenborough watching an orangutan try to hammer a nail

>>64067842
Holy fuck that dude died like 3x in that vid

>>64069908
Naruhodo ne

>>64069638
Hu Youping

>>64069837
project hatred blame everyone else and get nothing

>>64070053
>Hu Youping
One exception that only proves the rule