Thread 64086700

>>64086700 (OP)
>builds a 10mm revolver from the ground up
>can't be fucked to just bore the cylinder to support the cases at the mouth
>requires moon clips to function because they're too cheap to just modify it to eject without them
Keep it.

>>64086734
>can't be fucked to just bore the cylinder to support the cases at the mouth
Did you not watch the video? He loads a round at 1:25 without the moon clip. It does support the cases at the mouth.

>>64087075
Buy an ad.

>>64087143
>OP: makes a topic.
>you: "No don't talk about this topic, you are advertising this dead wildcat cartridge! How dare you advertise a cartridge that no company is making anymore? You are helping them get rich! We can't talk about firearms in /k/!"
Calm down a bit.

>>64086700 (OP)
>got getting a Glock 20

>>64087598
kys frogspammer ESL faggot

>>64086700 (OP)
That's too much firepower.

So it fires ten, but how about even cheaper, forty? And how does it group with those? If well, very neat. If not, still kinda neat.

>>64086700 (OP)
His diction and meter is very poor. This is the state of American education.
>sooo, ahh, yeahh...

>>64086700 (OP)
Mildly interesting. You should be able to make 10mm Magnum brass by cutting down and converting 6.8mm Remington casings, which nobody wants anyway.

>>64086734
>builds a 10mm revolver from the ground up
He didn't, that's obviously a S&W 610, and he says as such. In fact he says he hired a smith to do that for him. Do you have a crippling learning disorder?

>can't be fucked to just bore the cylinder to support the cases at the mouth
That's wrong though, he shows the 10mm Magnum headspacing on the mouth.

>requires moon clips to function because they're too cheap to just modify it to eject without them
No kidding? Making a completely bespoke new ejector assembly for rimless cartridges would be a fuckload more work and planning than just asking a smith to bore the chambers out a tiny bit, you complete fucking mongoloid.
Few actual manufacturers of revolvers have offered many guns with those kinds of special auto-rim ejector stars.

>>64087143
What is he selling?

>>64087598
No Glocks in 10mm Magnum.

>>64086700 (OP)
For hunting large game you take a hit below .45, this includes. 44(.429)

Lots of hunters attest to this on how well it drops large game. This cartridge is pointless. Overkill for protection, and too small diameter for big game.

Zero, zilch, zip, nada

>>64086700 (OP)
Seems pointless

10mm mountain gun

>>64090694
>yup that 45 GAP is gonna drop them bears deader than no piddly .338 lapua magnum ever could

>>64091156
I dont get the 9/10mm revolver thing. What is the point?

>>64091336
For 9mm, people want cheap plinking.
For 10mm, people want Magnum loading but with heavier projectiles than with .357

@64091330
Never said this. I'm talking hot 45 Colt, 454 Casull, Linebaugh calibers, and in some loadings even 45ACP and Auto-rim
And if there is a proper loading in 45 GAP? It may very well be a good stopper with a proper heavy hardcast bullet against large game.
You made an imaginary argument to get a (You) on a mongolian weaving website. Congratulations

All you've done is out yourself for lack of knowledge on bullet design, wounding, and stopping with magnum cartridges.

>>64091336
Ammo availability. 10mm is taking over as the premier grizzly cartridge in Alaska. It's mostly in Glocks and Springfield's though.

Basically it's for people who want an upgrade over 357 mag but don't want an actual hand cannon.

>>64087143
lmao

>>64086700 (OP)
Why use this over .41?

>>64092157
They're basically the same performance wise except you can shoot ammo that actually exists when needed.

>>64092168
>you can shoot ammo that actually exists when needed.
You can find .41 Magnum a lot easier than .10mm magnum, anon. Buying this revolver would eventually entail you only being able to run regular 10mm and .40 cal.

>>64086700 (OP)
Why not shoot .44 mag instead?

>>64092714
Bad Feng Shui

>>64092157
Mostly to be able to shoot 10mm auto and 40 s/w from the same cylinder with the same moon clips…. Both 41 mag and 10mmM are pretty firmly in the “you need to be rich to buy a lot or just reload” category…. But 41 magnum is less unobtanium.. however 10mm auto and 40 s/w are much more common than 41mag….

There’s a company that bores out a 40 s/w rhino to 10mmM…. I really want to get one eventually.

>>64086700 (OP)
No matter how much 10mm fanboys talk shit like this up no one ever buys the 10mm guns. Almost like 10mm shills are a bunch of no guns minmaxxers looking at it like stats on a video game.

>>64092805
>Mostly to be able to shoot 10mm auto and 40 s/w from the same cylinder with the same moon clips
You could do that with any 10mm revolver. No need to get a heavier 10mm Magnum revolver that you won't find ammo for.

>>64092168
>They're basically the same performance wise
They are absolutely not and I'm sick of 10mmfags peddling this meme. Spicy 10mm is on par with .357 magnum. 10mm only reaches .41 mag that's purposely downloaded to what's essentially .41 special levels. Full power .41 magnum blows 10mm out of the water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYroocElqg

>>64092862
NTA. You must not have paid attention to a single post in this thread. He wasn't talking about regular 10mm but rather 10mm Magnum (a wildcat cartridge).

>>64092871
You must've not paid attention to the post I replied to. They were clearly talking about regular 10mm and not 10mm magnum, because there's no way an obscure wildcat is going to be more common than a production cartridge.

>>64092880
>You must've not paid attention to the post I replied to. They were clearly talking about regular 10mm and not 10mm magnum
No, he wasn't, but I suppose that it would take a literate person to understand that. Good luck in life; I have a feeling it will be hard for you.

>>64092892
That anon is retarded but he’s probably on par with your average 10mm shill.

>>64092843
It’s the same revolver bored farther, why settle for 2 if you can fit the third caliber? Realistically it’s already a just for fun meme, might as well go all the way for the times you want to shoot something with more kick than 10mm auto

>>64092839
Idk, I got mine because I wanted a light semi auto with lower recoil than what I normally shoot…. I really do want to get one of the rhino 10 mm Magnums at some point. Just it’s got a few other things ahead of it on the “stuff that looks fun” list

>>64092839
Is that not how it works?

>>64087943
I put my diction in your meter.

>>64092157
10mm Auto can pretty closely match .41 Magnum in ballistics and all, but it's also harder to find in a lot of places. Plus, 10mm can also be used in semi-autos and carbines, whereas the only semi-automatic anything I know of for .41 Magnum is the very rare Desert Eagle variant, and I can't think of any carbines.
I'm actually rather confident that the advent of 10mm Auto is what historically killed the momentum of .41 Magnum or ".41 Police" in the market.

With .41 Magnum, you could get it in a large N-Frame or similarly sized revolver, which is kind of excess in build and size for the cartridge if you aren't going to go full Elmer Keith on it, in which case you would most likely have wanted .44 Magnum anyway.
With 10mm Auto, the Bren Ten fell on its face, but the Colt Delta Elite was honestly pretty decent for its time after they did the stress cut on the frame, and if you don't try to absolutely Elmer Keith the thing, and then you had other 10mm Pistols come from Glock and Smith & Wesson.

10mm Auto can easily match the .41 Police load, except now you get 9+1rds fast, in a regular old 1911 and fast reloads with flat magazines, and with the Glocks and Smith you get even more rounds with those ballistics. It's just a way more appealing package for the given ballistics.
Then, if you wanted to inject some vitamins into your 10mm Auto for wildlife defense, or just for fun, the cartridge can be loaded up for that (but again, maybe don't go too hard on the old Delta Elites that way).

>>64093920
N frames were barely suitable for 44 Mag, but this had more to do with their design rather than physical size. The early model 29s could beat themselves to death in fewer than 1000 rounds
For some reason it would take Ruger 25 years to develop a 44 Mag DA that would actually survive. Just a little later in 1980 Dan Wesson would release their M44, using a Ruger cast frame etc.

>>64093920
>10mm Auto can pretty closely match .41 Magnum in ballistics and all
no see >>64092862

>>64093920
>I'm actually rather confident that the advent of 10mm Auto is what historically killed the momentum of .41 Magnum or ".41 Police" in the market.
You are one confident retard, considering .41 was already unpopular before 10mm was even invented.

>>64094651
What little momentum it would have left.

>>64092763
if 44 stands for something like Double Death in Chinese isn't that the sort of symbolism that's good when you're pointing it at your enemies?

>>64091336
9 for the hood, 10 for the woods

>>64092871
>>64092892
I actually was talking about 10mm Auto, but I was also talking about it in the context of the .41 Police which was one of the concepts for it. Yes, you have more space for powder and bullet in .41 Magnum, so you can drive the thing out there if you want to in ways you basically can't with 10mm Auto.

>>64094639
>Elmer Keith's original vision called for dual power levels in the .41, a heavy magnum load pushing a 210-grain (14 g) JHP at a muzzle velocity of 1,300–1,400 ft/s (400–430 m/s), and a milder police loading which was to send a 200-grain (13 g) semiwadcutter downrange at around 900 ft/s (270 m/s).[4]
10mm Auto can easily match (really, eclipse) this lighter end, which was intended to be better performing than .38 Special and .45 Auto, but without the recoil and penetration of .44 Magnum

>>64094958
read the next sentence on wikipedia anon

>These plans went awry due to an ongoing fascination in the firearms community with high-powered cartridges. As a result, the .41 "Magnum" load was released at an advertised 1,500 ft/s (460 m/s), and even the "light" police loading was introduced with a 210 gr (14 g) lead semiwadcutter "warmed up" to about 1,150 ft/s (350 m/s).

>>64094958
>10mmfags when weak range ammo is .40 S&W tier
>IT'S NOT THE SAAAME MUH SHORT & WEAK FBI KEKS
>10mmfags when bubba's hotrod loads surpass a round loaded lightly on purpose
>as you can see 10mm is acksually just as powerful as a magnum

>>64094988
10mm Auto can still match that light load.

>>64090670
>10mm magnum
Oh dear anon...

>>64095230
It's a real cartridge, it's what OP (or the guy in the video), had his 10mm Auto revolver bored out to.

It was originally made for those short-recoil Magnum pistols by Arcadia Machine & Tool (AMT), the Automags (not to be confused for the prior Auto Mag Pistols by Auto Mag Corporation, though there were some of the same people involved). Of AMT's Automag IV series, there was .44AMP, .45WinMag, and then least common, 10mm Magnum.
For reference, the Automag II was in .22WMR, the Automag III was in 9mm WinMag and .30 Carbine, then Automag V was in .50AE, and like three or four examples of that one were made in .440 CorBon (the old forerunner to today's .429 Desert Eagle).

You could also get the LAR Grizzly in 10mm Magnum, and this would most probably be a far nicer experience than the AMTs, as their guns often have issues. LAR also made a whole bunch of different caliber conversions for their pistols, so you could get one in 10mm Magnum which then had a 10mm Auto 'trainer' kit, likewise a .45 Auto kit for the regular .45WinMag.

10mm Magnum never really caught on much at all, and that's saying a lot considering that .45WinMag and .44AMP were never big hits themselves. Of the Magnum cartridges AMT played around with, the only more obscure one would be their one .454AMT prototype, which sheared of its link on the second shot fired. That was probably because of improper heat treat, but probably for the better knowing AMT.
Anyway, 10mm Magnum is even more of a handloader's cartridge than .45WinMag and .44AMP

I've never understood (for revolvers) why people couldn't be satisfied with .41 Magnum

>>64097251
Most are or could be satisfied by the 41mag; They either never shot 41mag or they are part of the 41mag cult. As a revolver nerd I find that 41mag owners are insufferable shits like 16ga/28ga shotgun owners and 10mm pistol owners, they never shut the fuck up about how their cartridge is "so much better."

When 41mag came out revolvers were still a popular platform, it fit a niche between 357 and 44mag with all kinds of loadings in fact many police departments issued 41mags including the Detroit PD for a period of time. The problem is revolvers went out of style, and they also got better with more loads possible which meant that same "niche range" of loadings the 41mag gave could now be covered by other more popular revolver cartridges. An example is the Ruger 45 colts, you could shoot 45ACP from them, the regular Colts, or shit that exceeds SAAMI 44mag AND you could have a larger meplat than 41mag. Everything spicier than 44mag came from big/dangerous game handgun hunting.

>>64098129
Their biggest detriment was that the revolvers chambered in it were always the same size as .44 magnum guns. So some people opted to buy a .44 Magnum and just use .44 Special rounds when they wanted similar power to a .41 Magnum.

>>64087943
She meter on my diction till I
>sooo, ahh, yeahh...

>>64094958
>Pretending to be me to win an argument.
I was referencing 10mm magnum and the ability to find ammo in 10mm auto. Everyone got it except some spergs shilling a cartridge with even less utility and availability.

A 10mm magnum revolver without 10mm magnum can shoot two commonly available cartridges. A .41 mag without 41 mag ammo is a paperweight.

>>64098129
The only good use for .41 magnum is being used in ultra-rare Swiss silenced rifles where you load it with 400 grain subsonic ammo.

>>64098129
Yes I think a lot of the dropping-through-the-cracks of .41 Magnum was timing of its introduction to the market.

>>64099187
>same size
(while understandable from the average gun-buyer perspective) Except that it wasn't always the best option, and yes while 'similar' to .41 Mag the .44 Special is really a different round. But true, for the bigger N frames it's nice to have .44 Special if you own a .44 Mag (analogous to shooting .38 Special in a .357)

Guess it boils down to that the larger-than-.357 Magnum revolver rounds are mostly of use and interest to handgun hunters. (<--As with 10 mm Auto) There aren't a lot of practical uses or real need/requirement, given what's already available in smaller calibers, for big magnum revolver chamberings in typical combat or self defense situations.
Also the silhoutte shooting hobby didn't really take off after the 1980s, that was another market besides hunting for the large caliber revolvers.