Is stuff like this feasible on the modern battlefield? Like literal Juggernauts?

Yes but we would need to come up with a lightweight metal that a lanklet can walk in first and can survive multiple 30mm shots from an IFV.

>>64091421 (OP)
No. Modern, top tier, physical and military training is about as good as it can be until there's a significant change to how the human body works. Until we can build economically practical, high endurance, exoskeletons human knee joints and spines are the weak point in the system.

Without robot suited walking tanks the closest we've gotten to 'super-soldiers' is a lot more based in chemistry. See WW II's meth addict Wehrmacht, and the attempts to do something similar in Vietnam that ended up accidentally creating LSD.

>>64091442
Isn't exoskeleton/power armor tech literally right around the corner? It already exists. Once its fieldable, then giant guns like this will naturally follow.

And it wasn't just the Pervitin in WW2, it was superior and frankly God Tier training and discipline and True National Socialist Ardor/Fanatacism that made the SS super soldiers with ridiculous K:D ratios.

>>64091421 (OP)
there's no way homeboy could carry enough ammo for that to make sense.
also
>juggernaut
lol, dude is not very heavily armored.

>>64091460
Yeah but imagine that guy but wearing.this

>>64091442
We can it's just more rigorous physical training that the average soldier will most definitely not want to undergo. So what do we do? We make a Armored Infantry unit that requires themselves to be training their whole body with thorough rehabbing and building of their body.
You got civvies jumping 10ft and landing without breaking a bone. We humans didn't become the apex homonid because of our brains. We became the apex because of our build. Everything we do naturally is meant to built the foundation of a super human. A baby's movement are all innate exercises built into their DNA.
There's a reason why you got legends and myths talking about motherfuckers jumping 10ft in the air because back then that shit was the norm. Until the great flooding/eruptions of volcanoes happened 30,000-50,000 years ago. That shit wasn't even caused by mother nature it was induced by our own ancestors.

>>64091455
Exosuit soldiers would likely use smart grenade guns like the XM25, carry extra ammo for GPMGs, or AT/loitering munitions. DShKs aren't terribly useful for dismounts.

>>64091431
>jin-roh
I was thinking more like

Not unless ammo gets way lighter or exoskeletons don't become deathtraps.

>>64091455
The problem with exoskeletons isn't the exoskeleton, it's the battery pack. All kinds of really cool and interesting technologies are being held back at the moment because battery/energy storage tech still kind of sucks.

>that other shit
Gotcha, you're retarded. Sure, full body robo-suits like pic related are coming out any day now, just watch and wait. It'll be just like one of your favorite Japanese animes!

>>64091482
Take your meds

w>>64091455
its held back by battery tech, basically ALL cool future shit is.

>>64091508
Ya ya ya, muh power source, muh battery. Ive fucking heard that shit for years. We can fucking develop a compact light power source. We can do all the shit we have done technology wise up to now in history but we can't make a goddamn battery bud? Yes, we can and we will. Soon.

>>64091455
Armor technology is behind where it should be. We'd have lightweight full body IIIA by now if Zylon wasn't a total bust in 2002. Ceramics have peaked (for now) at Boron Carbide or TiB2-doped Silicon Carbide.
We need battery energy density to improve so exoskeletons have workable field runtime, especially since armor is heavier than it really should be. For best surviviability we need full body B-32 API protection and that's 5.5lb/ft2.
>>64091483
XM25s with improved HEDP / thermobaric grenades and 10 round magazines would be tits for counter vehicle work. Against infantry tungsten canister and HEAB with preformed tungsten fragments to negotiate soft armor.

>>64091520
>We can fucking develop a compact light power source
OK retard. If you've got an idea for that pitch it to basically any company. You will make a good few billion dollars a month from the royalties alone if it works. Go ahead, what are you waiting for?

>>64091482
I'm interested in this, how would one lengthen and enlarge their penis?

>>64091508
Battery density is *a* problem, but it's far from the only one. Even if we handwave away the power source entirely, there are still major problems, like weight (ground pressure). Or the fact you could make a much better fighting tool by removing the human from the equation and building a robot/droid instead.

>>64091482
>Until the great flooding/eruptions of volcanoes happened 30,000-50,000 years ago
ok graham hancock

>>64091525
Fukkin tactical BudK thorium mini reactors brah I saw it on the history channel

>>64091530
>Or the fact you could make a much better fighting tool by removing the human from the equation and building a robot/droid instead.
Then you run into a whole other range of problems, including some seriously fucked up legal, liability, and ethical problems that make solving the technical issues look like a walk in the park.

>>64091535
So pitch it, sell it, make shitloads of money, what's stopping you?

>>64091539
>including some seriously fucked up legal, liability
No, those are all benefits. No human life at risk means no scary headlines back home.

>>but muh ethical concerns about AI killing
I didn't say a word about the weapon being autonomous. You can still have humans in kill chain. It's a terrestrial drone, not a murderbot.

>battery cucks itt like always

That tech already exists. It just needs to be affordable to field in mass numbers which is on the horizon

>>64091490
Spriggan is fucking AWESOME

>>64091539
because BudK patented it first bro I'm not china im an anerican who rdoekrs copyright laws

>>64091553
>No human life at risk means no scary headlines back home.
Until your kill-bots firebomb a school, or do anything that lets the media back home publish stories with cute looking kids in the photo. That shit's hard enough to deal with then it's a human pulling the trigger, adding a program into the loop just adds political/legal complexity that we're still trying to figure out (and probably won't for the foreseeable future) in non-military applications.

>no kill-bots, man in the loop
So you're building in EW concerns, logistical complexity, and lag into the kill chain for limited upgrades in capability? What about the major psychological problems already reported by drone crews?
>but it will be immune to bullets!
We had antitank weapons developed a few months after the literal first tanks were used in anger dude.

>>64091570
Indeed it is.

>>64091539
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. Everything burns.

>>64091573
Go back to drinking yourself to death and disappointing your parents somewhere else bro.

>>64091581
>major psychological problems already reported by drone crews
Stop having pussies operate them?

>>64091581
>Until your kill-bots firebomb a school
Why would the risk be any different than the mech-troops firebombing a school?

>So you're building in EW concerns, logistical complexity,
Those are already there.

>for limited upgrades in capability?
No, MASSIVE upgrades in capabilty. Getting the human out of the equation is massive. There's no need to waste space or weight on life support, providing clean air for the pilot, protection from heat/noise/radiation, etc. You don't have to compromise the combat effectiveness of the vehicle to get a pilot in and out, to match the shape of their body, you are no longer limited by human range of motion or body shape, etc.

>What about the major psychological problems already reported by drone crews?
As opposed to the psychological problems that will be reported by mech pilots?

OFC it won't be immune to bullets, or any other weapon for that matter, but it would be a lot more surviveable than a human-piloted mech of the same general size and weight.

>>64091421 (OP)
retvrn

>>64091595
>Why would the risk be any different than the mech-troops firebombing a school?
People react differently when it's a machine taking the shot. It might be retarded, but it's real.

>Those are already there.
and you're massively increasing them for, again, very limited benefits in capability

>No, MASSIVE upgrades in capabilty
stop huffing your own farts. You make it slightly more expensive for your opponent to engage your ground forces. For anything worth deploying these things against that is a complete non-issue.

>As opposed to the psychological problems that will be reported by mech pilots?
Your dreams are not relevant.

Survivability and capability of infantry/infantry equivalent systems are one of the least important factors in a war. You're watching too many action movies.

>>64091603
Retvrn fvrther

So how far away are we from Fallout power armor soldiers? Realistically.

>>64091610
>People react differently when it's a machine taking the shot
The video footage that will circulate of human-piloted mechs committing atrocities will look exactly like those of remote-piloted mechs commiting those same atrocities.

>and you're massively increasing them for
Nah, any vehicle this complex is a massive sieve of holes that can be exploited for EW.

>ery limited benefits in capability
The capability improvements are MASSIVE. This cannot be understated. Human form imposes a massive number of constraints upon the engineering design. Let's get rid of them entirely.

>Your dreams are not relevant.
I'm not the one advocating for mechs. I think they're silly.

>Survivability and capability of infantry/infantry equivalent systems are one of the least important factors in a war.
Politicians love it when they can fuck around in foreign countries without risking domestic lives.

>>64091645
What point did you think you were making there?

>>64091442
>and the attempts to do something similar in Vietnam that ended up accidentally creating LSD

LSD was created in the 1930s retard. In Switzerland. Get your crazy fantasies under fucking control, jesus.

>>64091476
I'm imagining his knee and ankle joints screaming in protest

>>64091581
>>64091553
You’re all massively over thinking this. Slap the backpack on a robo-dog and put it in “follow” mode. The civilian market already sells a 400lb-20mile solution, Darpa’s Terminator dog. 30,000 rounds is more than anyone needs and would encourage overuse and waste.

Mech suits are dumb and inefficient. We already have the tech to drone mechanize our infantry but the countries capable of this have better vehicle based solutions already.

>>64091717
You're dumb and inefficient

>>64091642
42 years

>>64091717
Make a bunch of EW hardened drones the size of a golfball, put just enough RDX in them to scramble someone's brains when it explodes next to their face, turn on IFF, and set them to seek/kill with human pattern recognition. That's the future of warfare.

lol no. That guy is barely standing upright. A leaf falling on his head will be enough to overwhelm his legs and drop him to the ground.

>>64091421 (OP)
The future soldier is a guy sitting in front of a monitor or wears VR goggles to control his drone swarm. Eventually it will look like the Diablo 2 Necromancer and his minions.

>>64091421 (OP)
exoskeletons allow humans to carry more than they are physically capable of. This may assist

impressive.
HOWEVER

>>64091421 (OP)
This is not new, they used to do this in vietnam to good effect. My grandad was in RAEME (Aussie army mechanics) back in vietnam and used to rig up backpacks for the infantry to do this shit. They would use tubing that stored replacement barrels for m2's and shit as the bullet housing so it wouldn't fly around everywhere.

>>64092105
I mean really though

>>64092637
Yeah, they cut the barrels short to help with weight I believe.

>>64091421 (OP)
The idea of beltfed backpacks is one of those things that pops up every so often and each time is touted as an innovation. It always seems like a really cool idea until you think it through. The gunner is now permanently attached to the ammo pack and thus to the gun, meaning they can't put it down. This makes for example getting in/out of vehicles a challenge. The gunner is stuck with a heavy as fuck pack. Most importantly, it doesn't really solve a problem that most military machinegunners are having. The pack pretty much what, allows them to sustain walking fire for way longer? When is that an issue compared to reloading belts? Anything this system solves by having unlimited ammo on call without needing to take a break to reload is canceled out by the fact you're gonna melt your barrel if you shoot so much that spending a few second changing belts is a problem.
It doesn't really save any weight because the weight of the whole setup has to at least be the same (probably more) than carrying ammo in plastic belt boxes.

>>64091476
Juggernaut suits are kind of a mashup of bombsuits and random pieces of heavy armor.
Bombsuits are pretty horrid to wear. Really they only get used for short periods when an EOD team is working out of a vehicle. An EOD team embedded in some rural region doing foot patrol doesn't just wear them around what should be obvious reasons.
The closest thing to giga heavy armor are breaching guys. Things like surge era Iraq, US SF doing breaching into buildings were kind of being forced to come in through an obvious chokepoint, so the first guy in would have something like a CIRAS+ groin/leg/shoulder armor on. even then, that's for a specific reason and short duration. and you know, not carrying around a machinegun like it's an "assault rifle+".
I mean this should be obvious and the thread is tarded but I'm trying to at least raise the /k/ level of discussion

>>64091455
>Isn't exoskeleton/power armor tech literally right around the corner? It already exists. Once its fieldable, then giant guns like this will naturally follow.
Fieldable exosuits have been "right around the corner" for 30 years.

>>64092676
The Canadians at Hacksmith Industries are trying their hearts out to make something that resembles it, but it's more a prop than anything else. There's a guy in Wisconsin that's been able to figure out some decent, light-weight armor panels.

>blocks your path

>>64091508
>battery/energy storage
G-A-S-O-L-I-N-E

>>64092789
But then you'll need a generator to convert the thermal energy of burning the gasoline into electricity for the components to use which adds additional bulk, weight, and heat. Imagine strapping a Honda eu7000 generator to your back

>>64091421 (OP)
This looks really heavy and cumbersome. I'd rather just have a loader/ammo bearer with me.

>>64092789
Yea no, adding all the weight for the generator and sounding like a lawnmower is not worth it.
If any of the theoretical batterys come online eventually we could be in buisness though, for a shitty low power version at least.

>>64093168
Or not, didn't notice the graph was logarithmic. I guess Li-O could be kind of viable.

>>64091421 (OP)
>weight modifier bonus the more you use ATK

>>64091585
ave

>>64092789
>let's just make a reversible lithium-oxygen reaction. how hard can it be? what could possibly go wrong?
>>64091455
Boy, it's too bad nobody else in history has been socialist since then, huh?
Slash me *looks over at liberal twitter addicts with socialist in their bios*
Erm, guys? The danger hairs might literally be dangerous...

>>64092789
The real answer is uranium carbide of course.

>>64092680
Was it at all effective?

You basically need room temp superconductors to do all this sci fi shit

Invent those and we'll all be walking around with railguns and power armor. It's the modern philosopher's stone.

>>64091421 (OP)
Someone post the webm of the dude picking up a light machine gun and getting domed. You know the one.

>>64091455
>it was superior and frankly God Tier training and discipline and True National Socialist Ardor/Fanatacism that made the SS super soldiers with ridiculous K:D ratios.

Yeah, ridiculous K:D ratios is accurate.

>>64094950
Those aren't magic. They're great for DC long distance power transmission and fusion reactors. But in a power suit they're not going to do much
SMES energy density isn't that high, lower than li-ion. They're more like supercapacitors.

>>64091455
>True National Socialist Ardor/Fanatacism that made the SS super soldiers with ridiculous K:D ratios.
>SS
>ridiculous K:D ratios.

Depends on what unit.

>>64094989
In terms of things that might actually be possible in real life, they are as close as we're gonna get to magic.

Superconductors would make literally everything in an exoskeleton more efficient. Smaller, lighter, more efficient, more powerful, faster charging, so on and so forth. SMES systems energy density is hindered by cooling requirements at the moment, and it's not exactly a mature technology like Li-ion. But even with conventional batteries powered suits would become a lot more viable.

depends. how difficult is it to do a knee and hip replacement? because it's gonna happen a lot carrying all that shit.

>>64094950
>you can now use the insufficient power of your battery pack more efficiently
That's good, but baring a major breakthrough in battery capacity that buys you nothing.
>but mu infinite capacity capacitors
Well I have some chinese quantum radar stock to sell you if you're interested.

>>64094989
>They're great for DC long distance power transmission and fusion reactors
No they are not and no they aren't used for that either. The "room temperature" superconductors operate at liquid nitrogen temperaturs, which is a huge improvement from liquid helium, but still pretty fucking cold. And the ones that work at temperatures approaching 0°C are shit ass brittle ceramics that are pointless for any serious use because you can't make wires or anything else that is useful out of them.

>>64095199
>The "room temperature" superconductors operate at liquid nitrogen temperaturs,
room temperature superconductors don't exist, they're speculative technology.
what you're referring to there are "high temperature superconductors". different category.

>>64095199
>theoretical future tech sucks because the current version sucks right now
>these handgonnes will never replace the trained hand of an ingerlish bowman
the real use is figuring out how to deposit superconductors onto silicon to make chips

>>64091421 (OP)
>Carry several hundred pounds of useless shit
>OR
>A PSA 11.5" Carbine-Length 5.56 1/7 Phosphate 10.5" Lightweight M-Lok Classic HAR-15 Pistol, ODG with a couple mags
>Both do the exact same thing IRL

>>64091508
just hook them up to a wall outlet with a really long extension cord

what if you take a big turboshaft engine and hook it up to a generator which you then hook up to a big mech

>>64091421 (OP)
Is it possible? Yes.
It it a good idea? No.
One or two soldiers and a horde of civilians re-invent this idea every war; and the other 99.99% of the army rejects it for being retarded every time.
Walking fire simply isn't how a machinegun is used professionally. IRL the weight is too much for one man and standing up ruins accuracy.

>>64091442
>>64091455
>>64091460
>>64091482
There is a solution to this you're all not thinking of: pharmaceutic high grade steroids administered and dosed by a doctor, combined with 8 hour arm workouts and proper diets. We can't do that low grade chow anymore, fuck beef stew and start feeding the men proper anabokic shit like yoghurt with boiled eggs crushed throughout.

Sure, exosuits would improve strength and endurance, but there's still so much to improve on the operators themselves first.

>>64094953
This
Someone has got to have it

>>64093195
History has told me that western leftists are quickly countered by militant free companies of chuds.

>>64092789
>>64092807
DMFC. Look up JENNY 600/1200. Methanol is already in US Army logistics, primarily for use as windshield washer fluid, of all things (insert headlight fluid joke here). Methanol's power density is much lower than gas, but it's within an order of magnitude, which is something that batteries can't really say.

There's also the conformable wearable battery. Not nearly power-dense enough to run an exoskeleton, but enough to run the CPU and sensors.

>>64095709
What are the advantages of carrying this much meat on your body in a firefight ???

>>64095042
It is absolutely true of some divisions though, such as Das Reich, Leibstandarte AH, Deutschland and some foreign divisions like Charlemagne and Wallonia

>>64091684
don worry, injury's are not service related

>>64091442
>muh german methhead army
Stimulants were widely used on all sides, especially by pilots

>>64091442
>muh adict nazis
>LSD was an accident
oy vey

>>64095886
Getting to carry more ammo and fire bigger calibers without having to go prone.

>>64091455
Is that shit cheap enough to give to grunts? If no, then fuck no.