Thread 64091704

Kinda want a 10mm pistol, but options are limited

>>64091704 (OP)
FUCK THE PIC WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GLOCK 40

How much cash you got, OP?

>>64091722
Not much but I am stupid and easily persuaded.

PROBLEM SOLVA

>>64091733
I would actually like to enjoy pulling the trigger though.

>>64091704 (OP)
Last time I bought 10mm ammo it was about $2 a round, I hope it's come down some.
Absolute shit to find when there's a run on ammo prices.

>>64091704 (OP)
Kriss Vector

>>64091764
10mm is for shooting people, 9mm is for shooting paper. 9mm just doesn’t cut it if you have a violent threat in front of you

>>64091722
these things are fucking hideous, I dont know why people like them so much.

>>64091764
They are around 35 CPR for a good deal with free shipping . Not bad

5.7 > 45 ACP >>>>> 10MM

>>64091784
Miami vice

>>64091704 (OP)
Glock 21 or Glock 40
S&W M&P 2 10mm, maybe the Performance Center version for the longer slide and barrel
those are your only options, and the M&P has mixed reviews and is only on the list because it has a trigger that doesn't make me want to kill myself, unlike the Glock
on the other hand, you can get a barrel and slide swap to 45 for the Glock

>>64091784
They look pretty similar to 3rd generation smiths to me

>>64091704 (OP)
It's for people who want ~.357 Magnum power on a semi-auto.

>>64091704 (OP)
>17L
Highly gay and feminine
>40 with a threaded barrel
Kino

>>64092096
that sounds sick actually

>>64092106
Yep, the problem is no one wants to practice with it because ammo is expensive nowadays. Gone are the ammo prices from before 2008.

>>64092106
the top end of 10mm barely intersects the bottom of what can be describes as "full power" .357 mag, the top end of .357 has more juice

>>64092037
>glock
*raffs in chamber support*

get an eaa witness hunter. just never use it for self defense. the name sounds, uh, funny in court.

>>64092115
Guy from >>64092096 here. While you are technically correct, most commercially available .357 is underloaded; unless you're handloading, it's difficult to find real .357 Magnum ammo.

>>64092124
EAA stopped importing those, the new thing they're calling "Witness" is actually just a shitty turkish 2011 and the used market sucks
>>64092127
that is also true, it's very difficult to find either of Elmer Kieth tier 10mm or .357 magnum

>>64091704 (OP)
P220

>>64092135
>>64092124
I was curious because my information was old and HOLY SHIT they're back on the market
https://italianfirearmsgroup.com/product-category/tanfoglio?_bc_fsnf=1&Caliber%5B%5D=.10+MM&Caliber%5B%5D=.10mm

>>64091796
Oooooooooof.


.22lr>>>>>>powergap>>>>>5.7>.44mag>>>>10mm>22wmr>>32acp>>9mm>>>>>40s&w

There is only one choice

>>64092188
2011s are bad

>>64092106
Even better, you can put a can on your FN 510 and run either the screaming hot 165gr loads for .357 ballistics or the 200gr subsonics for suppressed .45 wetwork with just a magazine change

>>64092193
ur bad

>>64091704 (OP)
>>64091716
I've got a g29.
It's thick as fuck, if I had to do it again I'd probably go for a g20 and chop the grip for g29 mags.
I still love the fucking thing though.
Underwood has loads that will do ~1500fps out of the factory short barrel yielding like 700 ft lbs of energy.
Underwood "screwdriver" bullets will drill straight through a level 3 panel.
You can also get 9x25 Dillon conversion barrels if you want to see 1700 fps 9mm lol.

>>64091704 (OP)
Chances are good you'll just be shooting ammo downloaded to .40 pressures so just get a .40. The frame will be more comfortable, ammo more affordable and it honestly has more BDE than 10

>>64091786
>They are around 35 CPR
where do you get real 10mm for that?

>>64092115
>10mm barely intersects the bottom of what can be describes as "full power" .357 mag
Compare Underwood in both. Also should consider is "power" just Foot pound based mostly on velocity, or overall velocity, weight, diameter and construction? .357 gets its power from a lighter smaller diameter bullet going faster, the 10mm from the same length barrel is nearly the same energy but with a heavier bullet or greater diameter.

>>64092885
If you're gonna get an FK you may as well just rock it in 7.5

>>64091813
>>64092080
it's an 80's look, these anons know

>>64091704 (OP)
I suggest getting a Glock, but whatever you choose just make sure you get the actual full-power 10mm, not the download "lite" loads that are basically just expensive .40.

>>64093148

Also note that most ammo manufacturers list specifications that are from 6" test barrels, not actual pistols. Your velocity will most likely be lower.

>>64093016
>Compare Underwood in both
I did. Look at Underwood's 155gr 10mm XTP to their 158gr .357 Mag XTP. Not only was the .357 post higher numbers across the board, it also subverts your presumption that .357 gets its numbers from a lighter bullet.

>>64091740
It's part of the experience, fag. A Hi-point that feels and looks nice is a Hi-point that lost its soul.

>>64093007
You talking about 200gr? I see 180gr for around that price.

>>64092127
10mm is underloaded as well most of the time.
At this point maybe we desire revolvers. I don't know if I would trust my Glock to run +P 10mm auto. So I got a gp100 in 10mm to mess with

>>64093055
The PSD can use 9mm, .40 and 10mm.
So it fits the criteria that OP asked for at least.

>>64092927
Even the cheapest, most underloaded 180gr 10mm is hotter than most 40s&w, people keep saying this but it's mostly bullshit.
Case in point: https://youtu.be/YBDS-KMDHyU
S&B sb10a 180gr hits 1035 fps out of a 3.7" barrel.
This is .40c per round shipped in 1000 round brick bulk pack ammo.
Even Buffalo Bore 180gr 40s&w +p only hits 1040 FPS out of a 3.75 inch barrel sig, and they've got disclaimers everywhere on it.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=116

>>64092885
10mm is a training only round for that gun, the mags won't stack to full depth with 10mm so you only get half capacity or so
source: I have one

the long glock 10mm is pretty nice

>>64093016
>construction
Weird bringing this up then suggesting that 10mm is superior, 10mms biggest problem is that practically no full power loads use projectiles actually designed for those velocities but rather .40 S&W projectiles. Pretty much any load under 165grs is suspect in the caliber when loaded to actual 10mm velocities. The 135s typically fall apart and under penetrate, the 155s are usually on the verge of that with just gel testing and barely penetrate adequately. 165s seem to be hit or miss. Meanwhile there are tons of widely available loads in .357 magnum that both offer real magnum power and good bullet performance as the projectiles are actually designed to be used for the caliber in question.

>>64093907
The "10mm is just expensive 40" fuddlore comes from Federal loading some of their ammo to the old FBI spec that eventually became 40 S&W. It's a pointless thing to bring up anyway since nearly everyone nowadays shoots weak bulk ammo for training and carries hotter ammo for defensive purposes. The only distinction is that there's no such thing as 10mm +P, because 10mm is a modern cartridge that didn't require the +P designation like 9mm and 45 ACP, which both have lower pressure SAAMI specs for their case capacity due to being over 100 years old.

There's really only a few choices. Fn510 was interesting but after seeing so many of their frames falling to pieces, I'd stick to glocks. Glock 40 and 20 are cool.

Fuck Smith & Wesson, fuck SIG, fuck 1911s (might be a few good choices but RIA sucks and was my only experience with 10mm 1911s)

I like the CZ platform more than anything so I bought a 10mm tanfoglio.


So in my opinion OP it's glock unless you want to spend a pretty penny and get a tanfoglio. My stock 2 was 1400 on sale. Normally 2100. Going to get a 9mm conversion kit and it'll be my main HD pistol. Glocks have more aftermarket support to basically build anything you want but I like metal frames and hammer fired pistols.

>>64092885
>be in Brno
>fucking FN Brno is unobtanium
WHAT THE FUCK

>>64094231
>Fn510 was interesting but after seeing so many of their frames falling to pieces
Didn't Kentucky Ballistics break his because he shot nuclear-tier ammo through it while using a suppressor and WML? Basically the frame couldn't flex to keep up with the slide velocity due to the weight of the WML and broke.

>>64094200
>then suggesting that 10mm is superior
I am not suggesting one is superior to the other, just that a person should evaluate more factors than just foot pounds when deciding what is best option for their needs.

>>64094204
>Practicing with an ammo that's got 60-100 FTLBs less energy than your carry load is the same as practicing one that has 200-300 less FTLBs
Opinion discarded, the difference between 9mm range fodder and carry ammo isn't anything like the gap between week factory 10mm loads and the meme loads that justify that people like to brag about carrying

>>64094204
Naw, Federal and Remington to this day still have some defense 10mm loaded to .40 levels along with their FMJ training/range rounds.

>>64094477
>Freedom Munitions 180gr Round Nose Flat Point = 1120 fps
>S&B 180gr FMJ = 1165 fps
>CCI Blazer Brass 180g FMJ = 1200 fps
>Magtech 180gr FMJ = 1230 fps
>Underwood 180gr eXtreme Terminal Performance JHP = 1300 fps
Again, you're just parroting fuddlore that actually only applies to American big box brands like Federal and Winchester and no-name companies selling reloads. If you compare apples to apples, e.g. Sig 180gr FMJ to Sig 180gr V-Crown JHP, then the powder are identical.

>Sell me on the 10mm
No

>>64092104
wtf why ? it looks awesome for a 9mil

>>64094699
>wtf why?
>9mm
You answered your own question

>>64094364
I've seen a few other examples of the frame falling apart for various reasons online. Not sure what the most common reason is.

>>64092104
17L with compensator, 'stendo and switch

>>64094722
Don't be this contrarian.

>>64091704 (OP)
That sounds really gay, get a Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm Pistol – PI19502

>>64093307
>10mm is underloaded as well most of the time.
Sure, but every store that sells 10mm has Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and Grizzly (3 hottest commercial load). While most shops selling .357 magnum only have stuff like Federal, Remington, and Speer, you're lucky if you find some Buffalo Bore .357 Magnum at your local shop.

>>64093907
>Even the cheapest, most underloaded 180gr 10mm is hotter than most 40s&w, people keep saying this but it's mostly bullshit.
Paul Harrell proved that the only company keeping this myth alive is Federal, with their 10mm being loaded exactly like .40 cal (and their 10mm and .40 cal being weaker than every competitor's .40 cal too). All the other companies' 10mm was stronger than their .40.

>>64094364
Pretty much the only FN pistol that isn't breaking are their .45 and their 5.7. They've managed to fuck up 10mm, 9mm, and .22lr.