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Anonymous No.64110118 >>64110127 >>64110135 >>64110536 >>64110539 >>64110554 >>64110641 >>64110662 >>64110776 >>64110851 >>64110878 >>64112456 >>64112813 >>64113933 >>64113979 >>64114732 >>64116091 >>64118154 >>64118205 >>64119199 >>64120792 >>64128844 >>64129426
The U.S. Marine Corps is currently the most elite fighting force in the world. Prove me wrong, /k/.
Anonymous No.64110127 >>64110209 >>64110216 >>64110607 >>64110888 >>64110951 >>64111005 >>64114870 >>64118893
>>64110118 (OP)
I think territorial militias in slavland have seen more combat in the last 10 years than the US armed forces saw since 1970.
Anonymous No.64110135 >>64111005
>>64110118 (OP)
I don't know what they're capable of vs the rest of the world so I can't say
Anonymous No.64110150 >>64110892 >>64111080 >>64116094 >>64122667 >>64128836
>Army Rangers exist
Super unimpressed by Marines. When we were deployed to Bastion they refused to provide an armored QRF for a snatch and grab on a HVT because they didn’t want to leave the FOB at night.
Anonymous No.64110209
>>64110127
nigga he knows this it's a bait thread
Anonymous No.64110216
>>64110127
well they've certainly received more casualties
Anonymous No.64110536
>>64110118 (OP)
lol
Anonymous No.64110539
>>64110118 (OP)
and that's a fact
from the shores of to the halls of
Anonymous No.64110554 >>64110674 >>64118109 >>64128581
>>64110118 (OP)
The average American soldier* is meh tier. The difference is, for every frontline soldier, there are literally thousands of people supporting him in logistics and intel. This is America's strength.

*Ground soldiers. America's pilots are top tier due to the amount of actual flying they do (flying is very expensive per hour).
Anonymous No.64110607 >>64110674
>>64110127
Best force is probably the Ukie drone units.
Anonymous No.64110641
>>64110118 (OP)
Marines are basically Army Rangers
Anonymous No.64110662 >>64110800 >>64110827 >>64111005 >>64124000 >>64129434
>>64110118 (OP)
>infantry training shorter than Army infantry basic
>no tanks
>no brigade level fires
>V-22 only has tiltrotors while the MV-75 combines that with the V tail from the Beechcraft Bonanza for maximum service member death
>no beltfed weapon at the team level
>MCCUUs don't have zipper front
>amphib rotations are just minimum security prison sentences
>not it's own department
>heartbreak ridge sucked as a movie
Pretty mid desu
Anonymous No.64110674
>>64110554
The question is so multifaceted it's really ineffectual to start answering without defining 'best'
Take >>64110607 for example, they may be the best at what they do but they fight with only situationally effective and soon-to-be-obsolete weapons. They're also not in the same category as rifle infantry. Guys who LARP as Balearic slingers would be the best at what they do too
Anonymous No.64110736 >>64110760
I'm from Iraq and our even our most top secret high speed hit squad guys likely have way less useful practical experience than most US PFCs, let alone theoretical knowledge, fitness, or discipline
Anonymous No.64110760 >>64110901
>>64110736
Didn't ISOF do most of the fighting during the battle of Mosul
Anonymous No.64110776
>>64110118 (OP)
Actually, it’s me
Anonymous No.64110800 >>64110852 >>64111279 >>64111780 >>64118075
>>64110662
>no beltfed weapon at the team level

Firstly, marines = poor. Too much budget towards crayola.

Secondly, this isn't a defense I'm just more interested in the discussion of IAR vs SAW. For our military? I'm pro SAW. For the bubbas making militias I'm pro IAR. Is IAR retarded? Is it a smart resource saver? Are SAWs a grandfather concept or do we keep the most casualty producing weapons?
Anonymous No.64110827 >>64111192 >>64111209
>>64110662
The USMC is the second most powerful air force in the world.
Anonymous No.64110851 >>64114870
>>64110118 (OP)
How about the Filipino Coast Guard
Anonymous No.64110852 >>64110874 >>64128670
>>64110800
The SAW is a competent LMG but it needs too much babysitting to be effective as an individual weapon. Every defense of it begins and ends with "well, it's belt-fed" without ever considering why that would be required or even desirable. The IAR is lighter, far more accurate, simplifies logistics by not requiring linked ammunition separate from the standard clips, and equipping the entire squad with the same weapon means that every single member can serve as an automatic rifleman or a marksman in a pinch as the situation demands.
Anonymous No.64110874 >>64110908
>>64110852
Very fair points. I guess then the argument becomes do we want a squad of IAR 'gunners' who can talk guns more accurately but have less rounds ready to expend (between reloads) or do we have one guy help another guy feed belt ammo into a 10 moa machine gun that has the advantage of barrel swapping.

Or more concisely: Accurized suppresion/limited sustained fire vs 'unaccurate' suppression/consistent sustained fire.
Anonymous No.64110878 >>64111016 >>64115540
>>64110118 (OP)
They are well trained and equipped but everyone that has seen combat is retired or pushing pens these days.
The importance of combat experience can't be over stated.
Anonymous No.64110888 >>64113916
>>64110127
>I think territorial militias in slavland have seen more combat

The problem is they die shortly after.
Anonymous No.64110892 >>64111080
>>64110150
To be fair, they probably don't have much experience working at night nor do they have equipment to work at night.
Anonymous No.64110901 >>64110913 >>64112433 >>64114611 >>64115612
>>64110760
Yeah, which is how they incurred up to 30-50% casualties. No doubt the lack of fire support contributed, but the main driving factors were extremely limited communication, a disorganized command structure, and the fact that their main tactic was making noise with their guns while pointing them within 180 degrees of the enemy's relative bearing Africa-style, not even suppressive fire. They sometimes fired RPG-7s off of rooftops without shouldering them, let alone aiming them. Non-ISOF guys were even worse, they sometimes hung tarps across the street and used them as concealment
This ISOF footage, but it's how 90+% of the fighting in Mosul looked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtpGGcyqmTk

I think ISIS used more sophisticated tactics, which is how they were able to hold on for so long and incur casualties on a vastly better equipped force that outnumbered them more than 10:1
Anonymous No.64110908 >>64110956
>>64110874
>do we have one guy help another guy feed belt ammo into a 10 moa machine gun that has the advantage of barrel swapping.
What you're describing is a light machine gun, the M27 didn't replace the M249 in the LMG role. The M249s that were replaced were ones being operated by a single marine moving with his squad. There's no assistant gunner and no barrel swapping involved.
Anonymous No.64110913
>>64110901
>incur casualties on a vastly
*inflict casualties
Anonymous No.64110951 >>64113962 >>64114870 >>64115993 >>64128949
>>64110127
>I think territorial militias in slavland have seen more combat in the last 10 years than the US armed forces saw since 1970.
/thread Any Ukranian national guard unit would shred an equivalent size US marine corps elelment all other things being equal. The ony way the US marine corps element hold in is with massive CAS and fire superiority. Fresh units Vs units battlehardened in modern ttal war is not even a contest.

I'd say kraken is the most lethal fighting force on earth right now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken_Regiment
Anonymous No.64110956 >>64110958
>>64110908
>the M27 didn't replace the M249 in the LMG role.
I'm Army so correct me if I am wrong, I thought that is exactly what it was. I wasn't aware the marines were rolling no AG like that, props I guess, but I thought the idea was to make every marine have the ability to "serve as an automatic rifleman," as you said. Thats why I brought up IAR vs SAW. IAR =/= SAW so I was contrasting the choices for a military to field either concept.

Battle Order wrote this much:
>The M27 was initially adopted in 2011 in replacement of the M249 SAW. The M249 was relegated to the company weapons platoon. Each rifle company maintains a stock of 6 M249s, which would be enough to equip each platoon with 2 M249s. The rationale - aside from possibly being a Trojan horse to fast track the adoption of a new service rifle - is that precise fire from a lighter (less fatiguing) automatic rifle offsets the volume of fire offered by a belt-fed light machine gun like the M249 as far as suppression is concerned.

and

>The automatic rifleman operates the M27 IAR in the role of automatic rifle, although because the rest of the team are also armed with it they can trade off that role for fire and maneuver purposes.
Anonymous No.64110958
>>64110956
NTA but I'm not aware of any instance a USMC rifle platoon would not be operating without support from the weapon's platoon's several M240B teams. The Marines do have dedicated "fire" elements and those are in the weapons platoon.
Anonymous No.64111005
>>64110127
>>64110135
>>64110662
nuff said
Anonymous No.64111016 >>64111036
>>64110878
This might be the best counter argument in this entire thread so far.
Anonymous No.64111036 >>64111075
>>64111016
It's not a matter of individual combat experience, there's a ton of Russian mobiks who have lots of combat experience at this point but no one would call them an effective fighting force. It's a matter of institutional knowledge, of having run into problems in the past, having developed SOPs to deal with them, and training those SOPs into new recruits.
Anonymous No.64111075
>>64111036
Anonymous No.64111080 >>64111091 >>64111188 >>64115736 >>64115932
>>64110892
>>64110150
Is this an American thing? (Not working ag night)
Here in the uk a huge part of our doctrine is doing virtually everything at night whenever possible
Anonymous No.64111091
>>64111080
*at night
Hungover fingers make mistakes
Anonymous No.64111188 >>64112376
>>64111080
no you don't stfu
Anonymous No.64111192 >>64113938 >>64114870 >>64123193
>>64110827
China has the most powerful air force and the EU has the second, so I don't see how you could say that.
Anonymous No.64111209 >>64113938
>>64110827
no, that'd be the us navy.
Anonymous No.64111279 >>64112304 >>64116089
>>64110800
>Is IAR retarded?
Not necessarily, it's just outclassed by proper belt-feds in any situation where they're available. For civilians who can't easily acquire a SAW, I can see the utility in large part because mags are much more prolific than belts in the civvie world, and because an automatic weapon that can pull double-duty as a regular rifle can allow one shooter to fill multiple roles in an environment where you probably won't be an asset if your only strength is as "suppressive fire guy".
>Is it a smart resource saver?
It's pretty smart economically to give everyone "half a machine gun" when you don't have the budget to get new rifles AND new machine guns, but it's fucking embarrassing that the spearhead of the US military has to stoop to this.
>Are SAWs a grandfather concept or do we keep the most casualty producing weapons?
Fire and maneuver is a timeless concept. You want at least one guy in your squad who can send a fuckton more lead downrange than your standard rifleman in order to pin & suppress the enemy. The question of whether his weapon should be a SAW in an intermediate caliber or a MG in a full-power cartridge is more situation dependent. I'm of the opinion that there's no good reason you can't just adopt something like the KAC AMG and get yourself a sub-20lb .308 belt-fed that has all of the firepower plus all of the portability.
Anonymous No.64111780 >>64112395
>>64110800
>Is it a smart resource saver?
Saving resources in combat means you are making the choice of paying in blood instead.
Anonymous No.64112304
>>64111279
>it's fucking embarrassing that the spearhead of the US military has to stoop to this
It makes sense when you realize both the Navy and Army hate them.
They're in a weird No Man's Land of their own making in some ways. Their hatred of SOCOM means the Navy funnels all that money into their SEAL teams.
They really should probably be maneuvering to get out from underneath the Navy, but they show no interest in doing so. They "like the way this sucks" or whatever.
Anonymous No.64112376
>>64111188
Chill out dude
Anonymous No.64112395 >>64116008
>>64111780
The M27 is more accurate in full auto than the M249 is with single shots. There's sparing no expense, and there's pissing ammo into the wind. At least half the ammo expended by the 249 is completely wasted and presents no threat to anyone. If unaimed "suppressing" fire was effective then ragheads wouldn't have a 1:5000 kdr.
Anonymous No.64112418 >>64118005
i was watching a video about an australian army exercise that occurred recently
in the comments section, someone who is an ex-ADF trooper said that marines aren't trained generally as well as australian troops
he used an example using the fact that in the ADF even the lowliest cook is taught how to do river crossings but in the US only frontline infantrymen/special troops are taught that
Anonymous No.64112433 >>64113950 >>64114611
>>64110901
Anonymous No.64112456
>>64110118 (OP)
> advancing in dense falanga formation on plain field
How this maneuver called? Ghost-cloacking?
Anonymous No.64112813 >>64118015
>>64110118 (OP)
>same amount of training as standard UK grunts
>equally under-supplied and logistically hamstrung
>tell them they're the a-team so they get all giddy about being devil dogs and so on
USMC is an organization that is fundamentally based on cope. All due respect and that. Badder than I am for sure. But there's psychology behind telling them they're the best
Anonymous No.64113916 >>64113947
>>64110888
azov has gone from a batallion of irregular chuds to an army corps with 11 years of combat experience, 6 of those in high intensity peer warfare

combat experience alone doesn't make a unit competent - look at sandnigger units fighting forever wars - but they're fighting a top level REDFOR enemy, including before they went full retard
Anonymous No.64113933 >>64119218
>>64110118 (OP)
Neat I'm in this photograph
Anonymous No.64113938 >>64113964 >>64114701 >>64120543
>>64111192
China has no fifth gens and the EU has a dozen air forces that don't add up to match the USMC or the USN. Denmark is like #5 in the world though.

>>64111209
The USMC has more F-35s than the USN. The Navy spent all their money on carriers, the Marines bought the planes to fill them.
Anonymous No.64113947 >>64115424
>>64113916
>they're fighting a top level REDFOR enemy, including before they went full retard
Azov was fighting the interwar Soviets?
Anonymous No.64113950 >>64114611
>>64112433
Inaccurate, we don't use semi-auto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4I-j3WahM
Anonymous No.64113962 >>64128240
>>64110951
>le all things being equal
This is retarded. War is never equal. We could flatten every Slavic shithole in a week with conventional weapons.
Anonymous No.64113964 >>64113970 >>64120546
>>64113938
>The USMC has more F-35s than the USN. The Navy spent all their money on carriers, the Marines bought the planes to fill them.
That sounds fucking dumb. Whats the point of being part of the same dep if you don't share the same budget?
Anonymous No.64113970
>>64113964
>That sounds fucking dumb.
It is.
>Whats the point of being part of the same dep if you don't share the same budget?
This question gets asked by every budget committee and some Marine general waves flags and sparklers screeching about Iwo Jima until the committee moves on.
Anonymous No.64113979 >>64114680
>>64110118 (OP)

Wordplay but no.

They are not the most "elite" fighting force.
However, they are the most effective military force.
Anonymous No.64114611 >>64115656
>>64110901
>>64112433
>>64113950
I get why their culture sucks at training specialists and other high skill roles like pilots, but why are Arabs so bad at modern warfare even down to the infantry level? I'm pretty sure even Chinese peasants in the PLA are less retarded than this
Anonymous No.64114630
You need to prove your statement first.
Anonymous No.64114680
>>64113979
They're termed ''the finest fighting force in the world."
Anonymous No.64114692
When was the last time they were involved in a real war?
Anonymous No.64114701 >>64115021
>>64113938
>China has no fifth gens
Because you said so?
Anonymous No.64114732
>>64110118 (OP)
Add a caveat like "Over 10,000 strong" or you'll never get anywhere OP.
Anonymous No.64114870
>>64110127
>>64110951
But they're fighting low morale and poorly equipped Slavs at home.
>>64110851
They scored a huge win but by running away.
>>64111192
The EU doesn't have a unified air force.
Anonymous No.64115021
>>64114701
J-20 is a 4.5 gen. Their new aircraft might be F-35 competitors or better but they're a long way from production.
Anonymous No.64115424
>>64113947
they were fighting russia which is just about the most capable redfor has to offer nowadays.
Anonymous No.64115540
>>64110878
This is why it's unironically important to find new places to invade. Even if most people don't see actual combat, testing out logistics/new tech/strategies/organization in the field is always the best way.
Anonymous No.64115612
>>64110901
>This ISOF footage, but it's how 90+% of the fighting in Mosul looked
Needs more lasers on the guns. I know that's in the bright Iraqi sunlight but it increases combat power all the same. Also wearing lots of hairgel increases infantry speed and maneuverability. See watch:
https://youtu.be/OBSfJJUmIHk
Anonymous No.64115656
>>64114611
>why are Arabs so bad at modern warfare even down to the infantry level?
NTA but it's more tribal and family based there, and the issue of fire and maneuver. If you don't trust soldiers in your own unit (that's a conglomeration of people of diverse, urban/rural, tribal or sectarian differences) let alone another unit, then how do you do that? You can't trust others to cover you. So they just blast over a wall and try to create an image of aggressiveness and make a lot of noise. They don't have an NCO culture. There's never enough to go around. Those higher up the chain hoard everything, so those who need the most are the least likeliest to get it. It's all about personal power.

And they can learn but they tend to revert back to their traditional patterns once the advisors leave, and there's a strong tendency to scapegoat and blame outside factors for their failures. There's a lot of baggage of Islam being a conquering religion that crushed their enemies while the reality has not been especially pleasant for them in past 200 years.

There's a lot of reeeing at American influence but they're dependent on it. The Chinese have been shocked at dealing with the Arabs (you can read about this if you search around for it) because the Arabs have built-in expectations that to go with the Chinese side means that China will provide for their security and send troops to help them, and the Chinese have zero interest in doing this.
Anonymous No.64115736
>>64111080
no, its not an american thing. that post is weird because "we own the night" was a common moto saying on unit and morale patches dating back to at least iraq because of how common night operations were
Anonymous No.64115932 >>64122667
>>64111080
That’s how 75th operated but the marines are apparently afraid of the dark.
Anonymous No.64115993
>>64110951
>/thread Any [Iraqi] national guard unit would shred an equivalent size US marine corps elelment all other things being equal. The ony way the US marine corps element hold in is with massive CAS and fire superiority. Fresh units Vs units battlehardened in modern ttal war is not even a contest.
Anonymous No.64116008 >>64116286
>>64112395
The vast majority of shots fired in combat are not aimed at actual targets, this applies especially for machine guns. An LMG being more accurate as such is meaningless, when the gunner is not going to see the person he's trying to kill for the most part. In fact, an increase in accuracy only shrinks the beaten zone of the machine gun, making it potentially less effective.
Anonymous No.64116089
>>64111279
New optics are so feature packed and finally battle ready that volume of fire is going way down on our end. Supression is more focused than 10MOA.
Anonymous No.64116091
>>64110118 (OP)
I have that same milsilurp dump pouch, so I'll probably make it.
Anonymous No.64116094
>>64110150
Well understandably, the rfs was nodf while the jwt was pdq.
Anonymous No.64116286
>>64116008
>Um, akchually, being horribly inaccurate is a good thing, sweaty!
>We should actually reverse engineer the PKP to find a way to make the M249 >30 MOA!
And yet time after time, American operators and Marines comment that suppressing fire makes the enemy take cover, while accurate suppressing fire makes the enemy withdraw.
Anonymous No.64116611 >>64118180 >>64119167
European forces are generally much better trained. UK or Dutch marines completely wipe the floor with US marines and its not even close. Good thing is we have more and can fight for longer, anywhere on Earth. Even better is that we are allies and wipe the floor with any turdie out there together.
Anonymous No.64118005
>>64112418
Shits basically irrelevant, there are dedicated troops and resources for that stuff and with proper planning and allocation of resources a bridge will be made and utilized. Im sure many different armies out there do something that the US doesnt specifically train on but it doesnt actually change the idea of better trained
Anonymous No.64118015
>>64112813
Well they do go hard on training with certain standards having to be met barring rare cases, physical fitness, weapons qualifications, knowledge and proficiency on your job, with those being somewhat strictly enforced with it being more so the closer you are to a combat unit
Anonymous No.64118075
>>64110800
Automatic rifles are dumb and the HK416/M27 is a particularly poorly thought out and designed auto rifle. They wanted a rifle so they slapped a bipod on the rifle they wanted and called it an IAR to get it procured. Plus it has all the problems that piston ARs have like carrier tilt and broken bolts. To be fair the M249s that were around when the IAR was adopted were beat to shit.
Anonymous No.64118109 >>64129164
>>64110554
>America's pilots are top tier due to the amount of actual flying they do
Flying hours have gone down a lot. And I mean a LOT
Anonymous No.64118146 >>64118184
At least one experienced Marine infantry officer bemoans the loss of the 249.
Anonymous No.64118154
>>64110118 (OP)
As far as normal soldiers go? Probably. I only say that because the Marines are rapidly becoming a special forces branch while still being a "normal" branch of the military. Sorry but I do not consider exhausted and manpower depleted Ukrainian regiments to be equal to a well equipped branch of the US military, but uh, Slava Ukraine or whatever
Anonymous No.64118180 >>64123657
>>64116611
Lmao sorry I do not believe yuro forces are well trained in anything other than dick sucking and pushing around unarmed Europeans
Anonymous No.64118184 >>64118202 >>64118243 >>64119225 >>64129291
>>64118146
>jams if you clean it too much
>jams if you don't clean it enough
>jams if you put a magazine in it
>jams if you put a belt in it
>jams if it's a tuesday
>jams the rest of the week, too
The 249 is a godawful piece of shit and getting rid of it can only be a good thing. The only people who lament its retirement are wafflenigger shills.
Anonymous No.64118202
>>64118184
Only one of these is true (it doesn’t like mags)
Anonymous No.64118205 >>64118241
>>64110118 (OP)
Oorah! Never forget.

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Words not deeds.
2004 Dodge Ram
1994 Pontiac Firebird (for the missus)
USMC 1985-1987
Anonymous No.64118241
>>64118205
>pre 00s firebirds
Was a better time
Anonymous No.64118243 >>64118294
>>64118184
Your squad automatic rifleman should be able to keep his saw running, if he can't you aren't training him properly
Anonymous No.64118294
>>64118243
Squad automatic weaponeer*
Anonymous No.64118893
>>64110127
>retarded hicks with Cold War era equipment fighting other retarded hicks with Cold War era equipment
Wow, yes, you do not want to mess with those guys
Anonymous No.64119167
>>64116611
That's because the Europeans treat their Marine forces as actual elites, essentially special forces by American standards. They're not secondary armies, they're relatively small-scale specialist groups that are more closely tied to naval operations.
Anonymous No.64119199
>>64110118 (OP)
>elite
they're below conscript tier
Anonymous No.64119218
>>64113933
why are you black?
Anonymous No.64119225 >>64120333 >>64129394
>>64118184
nigger talk to your arms room and actually fill out the 2404 the correct way so they can get new parts for the weapon

actually learn how to maintain the thing, don't just douse it in CLP and then start bitching about how it jams

also protip from a former 240 gunner, belt feds obviously run way fucking hotter and faster than mag fed carbines, use something like transmission fluid as lube instead of CLP because that shit will boil off halfway through a live fire

you right about the mag problem though, my joes had the best luck with PMAGs. Also blanks just fucking suck and will jam up bad because they're shorter in length than a live round and will get caught up while chambering
Anonymous No.64120333
>>64119225
>use something like transmission fluid as lube instead of CLP because that shit will boil off halfway through a live fire
LSA works well for this reason
Anonymous No.64120543 >>64123196
>>64113938
Wat, the USN has more aircraft, they just have F18s because the Marines preferred older vtolish jets and hadn't reupped their acquisitions since they got them which was decades ago
Anonymous No.64120546
>>64113964
They maintain entirely different roles and disciplines. They are united as a department, but have completely different mission sets
Anonymous No.64120792 >>64120806
>>64110118 (OP)
Not even gonna respond to the β€œmost elite in the world bait” but there is some credence to the idea that marines are superior to the average US army grunt (coming from an armycel) because theyre constantly told they are the best and the toughest. Its similar to how the average paratrooper (as in serving in an airborne u it, not just possessing jump wings) will perform on average better than a leg because the type of person who joins a military to jump is a cut above your GI Bill 4 and out grunt. If someone was just joining for the benefits they wouldnt join the marines, the basic is longer and on average much harder than any other branch, so they attract the types who actually want to perform at a higher level and exceed expectations.
Anonymous No.64120806 >>64121012
>>64120792
I agree with this assessment.
t. former Marine, current Army paratrooper
Anonymous No.64121012 >>64121047
>>64120806
The leatherneck -> army grunt pipeline is real
Anonymous No.64121047
>>64121012
yeah man. I don’t miss it either. I will always be proud I was a Marine but this is my life now and I’m proud af to be a paratrooper. The Corps is a great organization but it doesn’t reward greatness very well. The Army recognizes, appreciates, and develops the talent in you.
Anonymous No.64122667 >>64123973 >>64123981
>>64110150
>>64115932
I would've thought /k/ would know about how Marines are famous for having the shittiest gear in the entire US armed forces.
Anonymous No.64123193
>>64111192
Hahahhahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Damn chinks are funny.
Anonymous No.64123196
>>64120543
>F-18s
It's 2025, only fifth gens matter.
Anonymous No.64123657
>>64118180
having trained with various yuro forces in germany and norway, they are on average better trained and higher quality soldiers. they have to be because their armed forces are miniscule
Anonymous No.64123973
>>64122667
>Famous for shitty gear
Then how can they pretend to be elite when they intentionally self limit their capabilities to preclude night ops?
Anonymous No.64123981
>>64122667
Not anymore, they reduced their heavy armor and shifted the budget into high speed infantry shit
Anonymous No.64124000
>>64110662
>heartbreak ridge sucked as a movie
now you take that back you little faggot
Anonymous No.64125564
Considering the absolute state of the military's of the world, I don't doubt it.
Anonymous No.64128240
>>64113962
Just like you "flattened" afghanistan, right?
Anonymous No.64128581
>>64110554
>average American soldier* is meh tier
You must only be comparing US military to other US military.
Anonymous No.64128670 >>64128680
>>64110852
The Marines adopted the IAR as a way to have piston M4's without having to go through the bullshit of dropping the M4 you turbo nigger.

And
>The SAW is a competent LMG but it needs too much babysitting to be effective as an individual weapon
The fuck are you talking about? The M249 is stupidly low maintenance considering the sheer volume of fire I've seen gunners put thtough it.
>BUH BUH BUH MUH JAMMZ
WOW, it needs to be fucking cleaned and the vast majority of retards who are handed it don't even know how to properly fucking load it, let alone are fucking qualified on it, holy shit.

>that every single member can serve as an automatic rifleman or a marksman
You will never see a M27 switch to full retard outside of dumping blanks, but work with Infantry units, particularly expeditionary infantry units, and you will see M249s still kicking because the VOF is fucking insane.

>clips
Lel
Anonymous No.64128680 >>64128744
>>64128670
>Marines
>dropping the M4
Opinion discarded, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Anonymous No.64128744 >>64129321
>>64128680
I said the Marines adopted the M27 because they wanted a Piston M4, without having to adopt an alternative service rifle you knuckle draggjng, mouth bresthing, illiterate, retard. I've personally seen entire companys of Marines using M27s, and pretty much nothing but M27s, because they're going back to being an amphibious force, from the Infantry level and up and holy shit, who fucking knew the M4's biggest weakness is fucking water.

Ask me how I know them promptly kill yourself neverserved.
Anonymous No.64128773
>look up
>see picrel
How do you respond without sounding mad?
Anonymous No.64128836
>>64110150
>marines not providing shit to units that aren't other marines or even other marines because fuck you
correct. now being that there's nothing around bastion for like 50 miles in all directions, I want to know more about this kill/capture raid you went on
Anonymous No.64128844
>>64110118 (OP)
Umm, no, that would be the IDF. They would smoke the softboy Marines who don't know what it's like to actually be in danger every single day of their lives from birth. NOBODY is tougher than an Israeli soldier.
Anonymous No.64128949
>>64110951
>/thread Any Ukranian national guard unit would shred an equivalent size US marine corps elelment all other things being equal
But they can't even beat the Russians on the battlefield, and I'm told that the Russians are a a completely shit force. Best they can do is hold the line in stalemate. What gives?
Anonymous No.64128954 >>64128965 >>64129377 >>64130587
why did the marines disband their scout sniper platoons? i thought these guys were very competent and also useful for force recon tactical ISR? (don't tell me dronez will provide field ISR is their justification)
Anonymous No.64128965
>>64128954
dronez will provide field ISR
Anonymous No.64128967
Not sure about marines specifically but historically the american military has put less emphasis on snipers and scouts in general during peacetime (ie cav scouts being phased out)
Anonymous No.64129164
>>64118109
this is true however it's equally if not more true for virtually every other airforce in the world except possibly China, which is still playing catchup.
Anonymous No.64129291
>>64118184
I can concur that these things are fiddly pieces of shit. Fuckers would lose vital retaining pins, clips, and little springs every time they got taken on a hike.
>t. 2111
Anonymous No.64129321 >>64130587
>>64128744
>Calls me neverserved
>Immediately after doubling down on the Marines and their M4s
Anonymous No.64129377 >>64129445
>>64128954
The truth behind the scout sniper platoons is fucking lame. Graduates of the school frequently got SS lightning bolt tattoos, and after the Afghani corpse-pissing "mutilation" event, the whole organization was put under a microscope. IIRC there were two sets of Commandants and Sgts Major of the Marine Corps who ordered the school to get the tattoo shit under control after ot hit the news. They didn't and Berger closed the school, shifting the training burden to either the division or regimental level. Berger was Jewish, so its easy to believe he was seething about it for years, despite his Sgt Major having the SS bolts on his calf too, though he didn't have much of a choice.

He made a bunch of other shitty decisions along the way.
Anonymous No.64129394
>>64119225
This. Lubrication reigns supreme when it comes to machinery, and so many problems are cause by a lack of lubrication. The 249 should have been redesigned to forego the magazine backup, having a belt-fed at the fire team level is a game changer.
Anonymous No.64129426
>>64110118 (OP)
Anonymous No.64129434
>>64110662
>heartbreak ridge sucked as a movie
The rest in could let slide...
Anonymous No.64129445
>>64129377
>SS lightning bolt tattoos
but it just means Scout Sniper gunny!
Anonymous No.64130587 >>64130847
>>64128954
Everybody is dropping scout sniper units because they're fucking dumb. Infantry already does Recon shit in general, don't need entire elements dedicated to snipers who are already hyper specialized when sitting in LP/OPs are already borderline suicide.

>>64129321
Fucker theres like 4 Infantry Divisions in the Marines, numbering 24,000 in total, they have like 14,000 M27's, they tried buying an additional 11,000 M27s in like 2020 which got side stepped when the XM7 shit the bed and Mark Miley tried shoved that mess down everybody's throats, fo the fucking math.

They're STILL trying to get M27's to replace M4's in all their forscom units, not just their expeditionary forces almost like the entire fucking armed forces sees the writing on the god damn wall about 2027.
Anonymous No.64130847
>>64130587
>He STILL thinks the M27 is replacing the M4
Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about.