Thread 64125934

Do military training missions in overseas shitholes by western armies ever accomplish anything?

>>64125934 (OP)
They successfully accomplish the strategically important geopolitical task of mogging poor people.

>>64125934 (OP)
Just to get familiar

The only thing it really does is build bonds and lets the foreign soldier practices on unfamiliar land. I'm sure the local soldier learns a little something, but it quickly gets forgotten because no one practices it.

it worked pretty well in afghanistan

Nowadays I simply assume anything an African is doing is cargo cultery and playing dress-up. I’m right more often than not. Leopards, spots, etc. does the African in that picture understand that he is holding a ranged weapon that can be aimed? Does he know the principle by which firearms work? He can’t see the bullet, so does he even believe a bullet is fired, or does the guy he just shot drop dead because of voodoo magic, or because his ancestors willed it?

>>64125941
Kek

>>64125963
>do you think that's air you're breathing now?

>>64126374
Not believing in stuff you can’t see is good advice

The West has been training 3rd world shit holes for decades and they still can't do anything properly.

Western trained soldiers are made into special regiments who then get grinded down by constant attrition and have no replacements after the west leaves since they don't maintain the training without outside supervision
Or they break off the government and become a rebel/terrorist group

>>64125934 (OP)
They're always PR exercises

>>64126495
Ironically PMC Wagner was the only group that seemed to successfully train African troops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtSf9ktubO0&t=222s

>>64126551
>Western trained soldiers are made into special regiments

Special Forces in 3rd world countries barely have more training than an infantryman in The West.

>>64126428
“Stuff you can’t prove the existence of” is a better way to put it. Otherwise, I can’t see the atmosphere, therefore it doesn’t exist.

>>64126582
>barely have more training than an infantryman in The West
they might as well be considered tier one operators in africa

>>64125934 (OP)
What kamo on righr
t?

>>64125934 (OP)
Rangers did help the Croats to fuck up the Serbs.

Uganda had airborne troops trained by France and the USA, and they kicked a lot of ass in the DRC despite being lightly equipped.

>>64126495
I'd argue the entire Congo region understood Belgium training
>anyone disagreeing can raise their remaining hand

>>64125934 (OP)
Yep, lots of civil wars and insurgencies have benefited from one side having quality training.
Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Syria, Yemen and Libya are all examples of western backed fighters achieving our political goals.

>>64126569
>Ironically PMC Wagner was the only group that seemed to successfully train African troops.
Historically illiterate retard detected.
German and French colonial troops were highly trained and almost as good as their European counterparts.

>>64127508
M09 arido pixelado

>>64128021
Yeah in WW1 German trained Africans were really good.

>>64128038
there really is a whole different world out there in japan kek

1. Fun and diplomacy.
2. Yeah they're terrible but it gives them the basics of coordination with a NATO military which is good for future ops and as a selling point.
3. It's usually an exchange so your lads can also practice in a different environment and play with AKs.

I think China suffers from not doing much of this.

>>64125963
We had a big influx of Fijians 20 years ago joining the UK military because of the Commonwealth links and their coup. They were pretty based desu - not the brightest but good humour and the provincial one's are absolute beasts.

>>64128059
how would this work with germany's mission command? were africans really allowed to plan their own missions?

>>64125963
That dude looks like Laurence Fishburne's long lost brother

>>64126374
Son, that's an Angolan soldier so there's a good chance he has more combat experience than everyone else in the room combined.

Back in the day we had a ex-Nigerian join up who had fought in ECOMOG and told the story of his unit being captured by Islamists who were about to cut his hands off before British helicopters showed up to save him. He was a quiet guy, the sort who would 100% (in his own words) commit war crimes if left unattended with captured insurgents but we all listened to his stories.

>>64126427
I can see the similarity

>>64128079
They were under the command of white officers, and even a lot of NCOs were white. But they performed very well and the German leadership was impressed with them as soldiers.

>>64125934 (OP)
Basically we just hope that they become competent enough to sort their own shit out without our help.

>>64126569
And yet they got absolutely raped (both metaphorically and literally) by a bunch of khat-addled islamist retards.

>>64128234
>PLS SAAR HELP SAAR DO THE NEEDFUL SAAR SEND BOBS AND VEGENE SAAR
>Sir, this is a United States Air Force combat net

>>64128234
my opinion the PRC borders on frothing inchoate rage, but I still like them more than jeets

>>64128087
People have no clue the shit that has been going down in Africa for decades.

>>64128234
That last part is completely fatal.

>>64128087
>Son

i hate when people adopt a gruff, old guy accent when trying to appeal to authority

>>64128262
find a new way to be funny without repeating the same five words.

>>64128679
DO NOT REDEEEEM
4 words, here you go

>>64128679
SAAR PLEASE DO NOT MAKE JOKE
I FUNNY YOU NOT

>>64125934 (OP)
learning how to operate when you have to work together with incredibly inferior troops as your allies who are at best dead weight and at worst an active hinderance is crucial for western militaries.

Many times in history it wasn't even thirdies who were the dead weight ally but other western countries that are going through a shitshow phase of political instability, clown leadership and/or critical atrition where they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel for their personnel and command structure.

>>64129885
NATO troops only work well with other NATO troops because of enforced common standards, be it in weapons, ammo, communications and basic chain of command structure. Third world nations often don't have these things and also not geared as an expeditionary force. However, many third world militaries are very good at operating in their own territory using what little they have. The problem starts when Western militaries try to train Third World militaries in the Western way of fighting without the necessary logistics and money to maintain it. Hence the failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam etc.

>>64131303
>be Indian paratrooper
>get ordered to drop into the ocean near a ship full of armed combatants

>>64131280
Iraq is doing just fine.

>>64125934 (OP)
The ones where they just show up and show the locals how to put on their surplus BDUs the right way around and maybe how to zero a rifle don't usually lead to much long-term improvement, but places where either the western force has been involved long-term in overhauling training or had units specifically built of soldiers ground-up trained to western standards usually do pretty well.
Most of the ANA folded as soon as they saw the Taliban coming, but those were units generally assembled by telling local militias and warlords congrats, you're part of the national army now, with a little support and training from the west in the process. The units stood up and trained by the west on the other hand put up a pretty good fight, they were just way too few in number and lacking in the proper support to be able to make a proper go of it.
You can drill some soldiers, but if the institution they exist isn't a professional western army then they aren't going to keep training or fight like one.

>>64128066
Wait they're... japs larping as the spanish army?

¿Porqué?

>>64128671
Girl, sometimes it's warranted.
Feel better?

>>64132264
when you like g36s but flecktarn is too normie

>>64132264
you can go and ask them

>>64125934 (OP)
>Do military training missions in overseas shitholes by western armies ever accomplish anything?

Yeah for the western soldiers it's fun to go travel the world and get shitfaced in the bars, fucking local girls etc. while also having alot of fun stories to tell when they're older.

>>64125934 (OP)
That recent Thailand-Cambodia dustup. The Thais practice regularly with non-poorfag professionals and it showed, like watching a troupe of USMC reenactors topple Grenada's PRC militants.

>>64132165
>Most of the ANA folded as soon as they saw the Taliban coming, but those were units generally assembled by telling local militias and warlords congrats, you're part of the national army now, with a little support and training from the west in the process. The units stood up and trained by the west on the other hand put up a pretty good fight, they were just way too few in number and lacking in the proper support to be able to make a proper go of it.

Problem in such countries is, that they don't see themselves as citizens of the country, but mainly part of their clan/ethnic group/tribe/local area. So when a national army in the western style is formed (i.e.mixed ethnic groups, you have to serve in any area), there isn't much loyalty towards the bigger picture (e.g. why should a Turkmen defend a Nuristani city, they are not his people; also centuries old conflicts, farmer vs nomadic herdsmen, etc). This is sometimes used by dictators to their advantage, using military units from one ethnic group to quell rebellion in another part of the country (Canada also did this with the Indian riots in the 90s, when they sent French speaking units there). But from a Western perspective segregated units by ethnic group might be a valid stopgap measure to an immediate threat, while nation building continues

>>64132403
This was formerly understood, like the British Gurkhas or German Askaris. Afghanistan became another colonial project yet partial-credit answers to the impossible goal - like ethnic/regional units under direct ISAF command - were forbidden because it would be saying the quiet part aloud.

>>64132403
The other end of the same issue is that you need to convince people that the state is one worth fighting for. Obviously it's not true for the whole country, but for a lot of people, the western-backed Afghani government was at best no different and at worst a step back in the areas that impacted their daily lives. It's a hell of a lot better for any woman in Kabul that doesn't want to be property, but you tell that to a squad of farmers' kids who just know the taxes suck, the roads aren't any better and they'd rather trust a Taliban court than the 'proper' ones to resolve a dispute.
They weren't exactly being flooded with reasons to look to that bigger picture at the time. So if the QRF from the Australian Army or the top cover from the US Air Force isn't there to bail you out this time, maybe you just don't take the risk at all.
Again, there were units who absolutely did stand and fight to the last but not very many and they weren't the ones that went through the conventional ANA processes.

>>64132423
The US has never understood it. There's a sort of cultural vanity involved with Americans, where they're so full of their own bullshit and exceptionalism, they genuinely believe their culture is the one true thing that everyone is wanting and willing to follow. You see this repeat every time they go into a long war in another culture, expecting everyone there to just mold themselves into being !Americans.

>>64132403
It also didn't help that the Taliban was mostly made up of Pashtuns who make up the majority of the Afghan population and that they were receiving support from the ISI because there's a substantial Pashtun population within Pakistan

>>64125934 (OP)
i saw once that us soldiers came to the amazon forest to train with our army and learn how to navigate through the harsh forest and shit, maybe thats one example of mutual benefit

>>64132430
No anon, this time, this time we can bomb them into ideological alignment. Just trust me it'll work this time.

>>64132437
Pashtuns in pakistan hate the ISI and the paki regime though.

>>64132430
Oh I agree, some of our coastal elites convinced the others to try back when it was en vogue with Cuba, the Phillipines, etc. Went and proved that we're absolute ass at doing so; Euro-style colonialism is antithetical to American values. Efforts to dance around this invariably collapse under the weight of their internal contradictions far earlier than other unnatural states like the British Raj.

>>64132528
I'm pretty sure the Europeans have followed suit, at least looking at the migrant crisis. They've got this same delusion that the liberal world view they personally espouse is so amazing that all the migrants will just hop on board once they arrive in the country.
It's bafflingly stupid.

>>64125934 (OP)
>he doesn't know those "training missions" are just a cover for clandestine operations
ngmi

>>64125934 (OP)
Heard good things about the Peshmerga.

>>64132540
>they genuinely believe their culture is the one true thing that everyone is wanting and willing to follow.
>so amazing that all the migrants will just hop on board
Having recently visited, I think labeling it delusional is premature. Was not prepared for the spectacle of a first-generation middle-eastern migrant selling offbrand alt-girl/boy fashions from a tiny rental storefront in an area now more bazaar than shopping mall. Dude could've sold loads of other Temu junk like the tourist-trap items my travel partners insisted on browsing, but wanted to sell sexy clothing and finally had the freedom to do it I guess.

Lots of hubris built on grains of truth, maybe. America has a pretty shocking record of cordial or downright friendly relations with former foes.

>>64132645
>Having recently visited, I think labeling it delusional is premature
Utter nonsense. There are sharia courts operating in Europe, alongside no-go zones where the police are incapable of enforcing the rule of law.
This ridiculous notion of integration has been completely proven wrong to the extent even Merkel, that satanic whore, admits that the multicultural experiment has failed. We are looking at genocidal civil wars in Europe within this century, either wiping out the remaining native population or the foreign invaders. That's how bad the situation is.

>>64132650
Point was, enough seem to have genuinely hopped aboard that it's easy to see where the idealism and naivety blinders come from. Things were by no means utopian; stray far enough from the glitzy business center and tourist sights and the economic stratification and malfunction of basic municipal services like sanitation/waste management were clear. For ordinary people, life has gotten tougher everywhere and unlike the migrants our lower classes have no option to relocate (nor should they feel it necessary).

>>64132688
>Point was, enough seem to have genuinely hopped aboard
No, they absolutely haven't. NOT EVEN CLOSE. It takes either being a foreigner tourist or a religiously deluded ideologue to believe something as blatantly untrue as this.

>>64132698
Go outside and do something new, /pol/. The intricacy of our world defies the bounds of ideology, be it American Exceptionalism, Communism, or whichever nationalist creed you seem to profess. One cannot fight that which you do not know, nor properly defend that which you love.
t. /trv//k/

>>64132727
So you're a deluded ideologue, got it. I hope you die slow and painfully.

>>64132731
Likewise! May yours be swift and self inflicted ;)

>>64132741
Thanks for showing your true colors in the end. It's funny how fuckers like you pretend to be all friendly and considerate at the start, only to in the end admit that you're in support of the genocide (by UN definitions) of European peoples. Multiple EU countries are demographically doomed to the extent where the only way the German, French or British peoples will exist after this century is through genocidal wars.
It's in a way very reinvigorating knowing that there are people like you supporting this ethnic replacement of European native populations. It's a sort of solidifying feeling, knowing, that there are outright hostile entities wanting your own people to die. It gives you a genuine enemy to fight against, rather than being stuck feeling like you're trying to grasp at shadows; acting like cockroaches is exactly what people like you excel at, after all.

>>64132741
>>64132758
You guys should just suck each other off and get it over with.

>>64132861
You should just kill your family and then yourself.

>>64132863
You first babe, lead by example.

>>64125934 (OP)
establishes a friendly relationship so that they don't question taking orders from an american when there's something that actually needs to get done. it's a diplomatic move mostly, if the place getting the training manages to actually learn anything then that's just a bonus.

>>64132727
>Muh /pol/!

>>64132971
To claim that /pol/ of all boards is the heart of 4chan, but then use 'normie' instead of normalfag, is fucking incredible. I hope this was created as bait because it's art if it is.

>>64132971
>normies
>what normies want
Normalfags at the very least*
Niggercattle normalfags, to be more accurate.

>>64133009
>>64133020
How many of our memes do you regularly use to try to blend in where you don't belong?

>>64133036
Says the schizo faggot that can't even tell when someone's agreeing with him in one of the replies, because he's so mad about being called out on trying too hard to blend in.

>>64133036
>says this while posting wojaks
Are you even aware of how ironic this is? Go ask your mother to euthanize you, you dumb, subhuman autistic faggot.

>>64133041
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia
>You have sluggish schizophrenia
Go back commie.
>>64133053
We made wojaks popular. How many times have you posted a wojak? How much do your friends on your home site know that it was the heart and soul of 4chan that started the trend?

>>64133073
>We made wojaks popular.
>le cake is a lie!
>lmao doge :D
>shoop da woop!
>ima charging mah lazorrrrr!!!

Only subhuman niggerfaggot autists like you stick to these memes instead of moving on from them once the masses pick them up. This entire attitude you're showing here is just proof that you're the 4chan equivalent of a nigger sitting at the heart of Paris.

>Wojaks
>The heart and soul of 4chan
Shartyfags actually believe this

>>64133073
They were low effort, low quality shitposts then and they haven't improved with age. Being so proud that your tumor of a board is still infatuated with them isn't doing you any favours.

>>64132727
Nta but I'm from the UK. Its so bad here we are bordering on an all out potentially 3 way civil war, depending on if the turdie migrants side with the establishment or form their own faction.

>>64133084
>This entire attitude you're showing here is just proof that you're the 4chan equivalent of a nigger sitting at the heart of Paris.
By that reasoning, you should stop wearing a suit and tie, or flying on commercial airliners or even using a computer to post on here just because some street shitter tries to cargo cult their own version.
>>64133098
Keep seething, coping and dilating over original meme culture.

>>64133096
They are heroes for exposing your infiltration into 4chan management, as well as restoring /qa/ to what it was before you and your kind gutted it because so many threads on it were dedicated to exposing your infiltration and power trips meant to try to fill the void left by your missing genitals.

>>64133111
>By that reasoning, you should stop wearing a suit and tie, or flying on commercial airliners or even using a computer to post on here just because some street shitter tries to cargo cult their own version.
No, that makes absolutely no fucking sense and there's no actual logic to this statement, you fallacious subhuman nigger.
Claiming that 4chan culture is the same as real life culture only shows what a trash brown transplant you are.
Genuinely, go ask your mother to kill you for being an autistic waste of biomass. You would be doing not only your family but also the rest of humanity a favor.

>>64133126
Will you look at that, now you've reverted back to your standard instincts, but instead of saying "white male" you say "brown" in a transparent attempt to blend in here. 4chan culture is to argue, not look for excuses not to.

>>64133111
>Original meme culture
>Posting the most low effort, derivative junk that marked the beginning of the end for OC and decade-plus old ones at that

>>64133139
You have no fucking idea of what 4chan culture is, you newfag nigger.
You just compared 4chan culture to REAL LIFE CULTURE, as if they were the same fucking thing. Only some underageb& zoomer cancer would think IRL and Online are the same thing.
KILL YOURSELF, you fucking trash. You pretend like you're a part of the prevailing culture, while at the same time every single post you make just shows you're the equivalent of a nigger in Europe. You have absolutely no idea or conceptualization of what 4chan culture is.

>>64133142
>>64133151
>Still seething, coping and dilating
I've got more to trigger you with.

/k/ - Facebook grandpas

You get to try foreign guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx4T8EQXGcg

>>64133224
I bet the liberal inquisition was breathing down his neck, threatening him with life imprisonment if he criticized a rifle designed by a people who think bathing in cow shit is a health treatment.

>>64133224
i can smell the poop from here

>>64132299
probably airsoft

>>64134150
no shit

>>64125934 (OP)
They both die to one bullet, or a shrapnel from a DPICM

It depends on the third world military, some third world militaries are quite robust and professionally trained. Even lesser known ones are specialists in their type of geography and role.

Not every third world military out there is as dysfunctional or a clown show like African and MENA militaries.

The only caveat is that these third world militaries often send their "best" which equates to a recruit and their officer class are just corporals/NCOs in the same equivalent in most first world militaries. You will never encounter a third world military who values sergeants and NCOs in general like first world militaries do.

Public relations are always a staple in diplomacy, you cannot be an active sneering imperialist who looks down on the rest just because you're rich and on top.

>>64125934 (OP)
The Ukrainians smartened up immensely in the couple of years the US was over there teaching them to fight.

>>64135155
They also had the 'advantage' of a serious low intensity conflict between the revolution and the full Russian invasion with the totally legit separatists, and the looming threat of another attempt at what happened to Crimera. Tends to light a fire under your ass.
There's going to be books written about how the territorial defence forces did their jobs to the absolute letter in the opening days and gave the AFU time to properly organise, absolutely spot-on response to what on its face would've been a very overwhelming situation.

>>64133139
Nigger.

>>64135155
they are white though

>>64135262
The first moment I felt hope during the opening hours of the invasion was when I saw a clip of Ukrainian troops retreating across a bridge in an orderly fashion before blowing it behind them. They were not panicked nor overly hasty, they knew damned well what they were doing. Made me realise that the training really did work.

>>64132430
>The US has never understood it. There's a sort of cultural vanity involved with Americans, where they're so full of their own bullshit and exceptionalism, they genuinely believe their culture is the one true thing that everyone is wanting and willing to follow.
>>64132528
>Euro-style colonialism is antithetical to American values.
American style is more like the French. Both have some similarities as both had revolutions around the same time stemming from Enlightenment ideas. That basically means it's for everyone. The French for example would try to assimilate the people in the colonies, teach them French manners, encourage adopting French tastes, and embracing republican ideals. The British didn't do this so much. There was usually some degree of distance between The Brits and whoever they ruled. This is why British-style "multiculturalism" is how it is, they think they're being tolerant by keeping everybody separated in their own culture/ethnic groups but that's how they did colonialism.

The U.S. has problems with immigration but this has always been paradoxical because a lot of Americans really want these people to become Americans. The French also want to make their Muslims into French people.

>>64125934 (OP)
Reminds me of this

>>64126569
Lmao
I've been deployed in CAR while Wagner was beginning to deploy there.
Their training was dogshit third world "hurr i'm tuff" training. For hand to hand, they focused on rehearsing those gay "katas".
Good for synchronized shows.

>>64132165
>>64132403
an other problem was that the US stopped administering wage payments. So before your commander/warlord would skim some of the top but the US ensured that only one or two guys could embezzle your wages. about half a year before pulling out the US handed over wage administration to the AMA and the AMA higher ups went to work embezzling as much as they could. end result most men didn't get paid.
only the hyper motivated, those with their own graft to defend or those in units where the commanders didn't embezzle what little came down from Kabul kept up the fight.

>>64132650
>sharia courts operating in Europe
none of those are official more things that mudslimes set up and the police cracks down on when they get found out
> no-go zones
also know as Martin Luther boulevard and Lincoln avenue
don't get me wrong integration has failed but it's not failed nearly as hard as certain people want you to think it has
>>64132698
>NOT EVEN CLOSE
what you are looking at is x country has y people born as immigrant or immigrant born.
those also include other Europeans and their kids. you are in effect looking at Arizona and counting the commyfornians, their kids and their grandkids as spics. heck most of the shitskins in Europe would even be considered white in the US

>>64138603
Yeah, I kinda meant to include that stuff in the 'institution they exist in' part. If you don't treat them like professionals you can't then expect them to act like professionals. The commando corps worked pretty well because they recruited promising candidates from within the ANA, trained them like Rangers, then gave them the equipment and support they needed to make the most of it.
The poor bastards got seriously overused because they were generally the only ANA units you could trust to do their damn jobs.
Their reputation was good enough that the new Taliban government has claimed they've reactivated them, but for some reason I suspect there's no actual continuity.

>>64125934 (OP)
It's always useful to train in third world shitholes because it is a good test of the capabilities of your logistic apparatus. The lack of any infrastructure whatsoever and hostile bidepdal fauna present a lot of realistic stress on a logistical chain.