Thread 64126634

could you hack it on a recon team going into laos or cambodia?

>>64126634 (OP)
>Jungle heat
Fuck no. Send me to Alaska instead

>>64126634 (OP)
> MACV-SOG had more than its share of MIAs. One of the most well-known was Larry Thorne, a Finnish veteran of the so-called Winter War against the Soviet Union during the prelude to World War II and a recipient of the Mannerheim Cross. Thorne was carrying a bolt-action .30-06 Springfield when he became MACV-SOG’s first MIA in Laos.
>Stories abound of teams that disappeared without a trace, though sometimes circumstances and evidence (such as proof that NVA concussion grenades had been used) led MACV-SOG to believe that the men were captured. A dozen entire teams are still unaccounted for.
>As of Oct. 15, 2017, there were nearly 300 Americas still missing in Laos [MIA], and of those 50 were Green Berets from the eight-year secret war fought across the fence in Laos, Cambodia and N. Vietnam. At least 105 airmen died supporting SOG teams in Laos.
>Of the men known to be prisoners of war [POW], only a few returned home alive. No MACV-SOG POWs were released from Laos.
>Of the 58 MACV-SOG MIAs in Laos, only one returned–Charles Wilklow. Wilklow escaped captivity after being staked out by the NVA as human bait for rescuers for several days. His captors had thought he was too close to death to need a guard, but he managed to crawl off into the jungle and evade recapture until rescued.
>MACV-SOG recon casualties exceeded 100 percent, the highest sustained American loss rate since the Civil War. In 1968, every MACV-SOG recon man was wounded at least once, and about half were killed. But despite such high losses, MACV-SOG boasted the highest “kill ratio” in U.S. military history, topping out at 158-to-1 in 1970.
They were like the American version of the modern Russian motorbike assault teams except actually badass, highly effective, and not retarded. I couldn’t hold a candle to these men.
RIP heroes.
https://sogchronicles.com/macvsog-mia/#:~:text=MACV%2DSOG%20recon%20casualties%20exceeded,and%20about%20half%20were%20killed.

>>64126634 (OP)
no

>>64126680
god damn

>wuuds, dis is buwman
>buwman, wuuds
>suuup
Give me recharging health and I'll be ok

>>64126634 (OP)
been addicted to sog cast podcast lately and listening to these old guys who were badder than anyone talk about their war stories. they all got wounded multiple times and survived dozens of gunfights. dealing with not only a determined NVA opponent but centipedes, spiders, snakes and all sorts of creepy crawlies

>>64126709
Imagine going recon/sabotage and this is your loadout: no body armor, no NODs, no radio-integrated hearing protection, pretty much 0 electronics, not even a helmet most times. Just your weapons and a shit-tone of ammo, frags, and water. Maybe a smoke and a Willie Pete for good measure and the fatigues on your back and maybe a map and red-light torch. That’s it. You have no drones, no arty, and maybe one friendly heli for infil and extract if the mission calls for it.

>>64126634 (OP)
No

>>64126752
>all you need is a shitload of ammo, grenades, pyro, and some demo
yes

>>64126752
Light work

>>64126634 (OP)
half + of their team would be local montagnards or bru or other tribes that know how to scout and want to fight commies. the “little people” as they called them affectionately, were just as brave and skilled as most sf recon guys

>>64126634 (OP)
No, the model was unbelievably unsustainable.
>In 1968, SOG recon teams conducted hundreds of missions gathering valuable intelligence but suffered 79 SF troops killed in action or missing. MACV-SOG captured three PAVN soldiers from Cambodia and one from Laos.

It was a high risk-medium (burgeoning on low) reward that, while super badass, feels desperate as a strategy.

>>64126752
No helmet, body armor or electronics. Yeah, thats what I would prefer. Especially in the fucking jungle.

>>64126634 (OP)
There was a story told by a MACV guy who said that the chopper gunner on an extract refused to lay down cover fire because he would have killed the guy. Chopper gunner said that he could see hands reaching out from the jungle trying to grab the guy as he reached the chopper

>>64126791
>By 1969, the North Vietnamese had also worked out their doctrine and techniques for dealing with the recon teams. Originally, the PAVN had been caught unprepared and had been forced to respond in whatever haphazard manner local commanders could organize. Soon, however, an early warning system was created by placing radio-equipped air watch units within the flight paths between the launch sites and Base Areas. Within the Base Areas, lookouts were placed in trees and platforms to watch likely landing zones while the roads and trails were routinely swept by security forces. The PAVN also began to organize and develop specialized units that would both drive and then fix the teams so that they could be destroyed. By 1970, they had created a layered and effective system, and SOG recon teams found their time on the ground both shortened and more dangerous. The mauling or wiping out of entire teams began to become a more common occurrence.
No shit, at a certain point it's no longer a question of toughness and skill but luck.

>>64126791
> 79 SF troops killed in action or missing in a year? Not 60,000? Dis why USA no win banana in war.

>>64126634 (OP)
Nope

>>64126680
>Thorne was carrying a bolt-action .30-06 Springfield
Wonder if he picked a bolt action because of being used to that sort of manual of arms since WW2. Surely there were no shortage of automatics to choose from in a outfit like SOG.

Does anyone know where I can get 64 kg of uranium 235 with the government not knowing

>>64126888
He died in a helicopter crash, this is the first time I ever read about what weapon he was carrying.

>>64126883
79 highly trained and experienced operators for 4 prisoners is not a winning ratio

>>64126680
>MACV-SOG boasted the highest “kill ratio” in U.S. military history, topping out at 158-to-1 in 1970.
How exactly do you verify macv-sog kill ratio? Radio communication intercept about NVA casualties? Have spies steal casualtie reports? Ask a shaman/witch doctor to speak to the dead so you know who killed them?

>>64126915
>no but 10,000 men per kilometer of banana-field in Donbas is win comrade!

>>64126937
>saying anything critical of the US from a 60 year old war nets you a canned, knee jerk accusation of being a vatnik

This fucking board I swear

>>64126789
I was at a Memorial Day event with some Vietnam War vets and one of them told a story about how a Montagnard guy stayed on the ground firing his machine gun and throwing grenades to distract the enemy so Green Berets could evacuate on a helicopter. They tried calling him but he wouldn't leave because he knew if he stopped distracting the enemy they would focus their fire on the helicopter.

>>64126922
They took pictures. Same as they do now.

>>64127079
There's a famous pic where some recon guys spotted a battalion of Vietcong and their leadership didn't believe them so they had to take pictures. I think it was a 2 man team sneaking around Laos or wherever taking pictures of a battalion.

>>64126680
I did a lot of reading on POW-MIA stuff a while back and it left me with the impression that there were probably people abandoned in Laos after the war.

>>64127126
According to Eric Haney, there were POWs still in Vietnam and Delta Force was preparing to rescue them. But a big mouth idiot called Bo Gritz yapped about it and the mission was scrapped because there was no longer an element of surprise. Eric believes any POWs were killed to hide that America forgot about them.

>>64127140
There's also the Operation Pocket Change fuckup and all the SOS ground markings through the 70s and 80s.

>>64126973
>be me
>make shitpost about how low US SF conflict casualties are compared to Russian SF
>schizo sperg who wigs the fuck out anytime you dunk on vatnigger suddenly thinks im attacking him directly
All day on this board I’ve been dealing with your whiny fucking ass shitting up my threads and posts. Vidrel is what I’m gonna do to you if I find what hole your bitch ass is posting from.

>>64127076
damn
how do you say "my honor is loyalty" is mon-khmer

>>64127148
That shit made me so mad when I found out about it.

>>64127079
>They took pictures
https://sogsite.com/cadenbach-pictures/
Alot of pictures of all kind but in the context of fight that would only be possible after winning a gunfight/ambush. It would be impossible during the fight or in a situation where they have to withdraw immediatly.

>Same as they do now.
Now there are modern cameras that are compact enough you can mount it on a helmet and record for hours in 4k. During vietnam only fighter jets could actually record all the kills they did and prove it with video footage. That a f-4 phantom killed two mig-15's because you can see on video that it downed both of them. How do you prove without a shadow of doubt that a sog team that ran into a nva element, got into a gunfight, killed some but withdrew did infact kill the amount that they claim they did?

I have no doubt that sog teams had a very postive kill-loss ratio on good days but the 158-to-1 ratio is really high.

>>64127234
>only be possible after winning a gunfight/ambush

Correct. Battle damage assessment.

>>64126705
Demons are sucker punching your head bam bam YOU'RE RETARDED AND A LONELY LOSER WITH MENTAL ILLNESS BAM BAM THERE YOU GO

>>64127234
Verifying number of enemy dead has been a thing since the first colony. Back then they'd just cut off an Indian's ear and showed it to their commander to verify a kill.

>>64127234
You know the Vietnamese also count causalities as well

hard fighting, hard drinking mfs when they would get back to da nang or wherever their fob was. probably banging lots of whores too

niggas kitted like up like call of duty

>>64126888
he would've probably been using a Finnish Mosin copy during the Winter War and a Mauser during his SS days so yeah, he would've been very used to bolt action.

still though, one should bring a lot more firepower for a cross-border long range patrol

>>64126634 (OP)
Considering all you had to do was show up and raise your hand with zero qualifications or experience, yes I could do that. Would I survive? Idk, but thats not what you asked.
>>64128719
Imagine all the sweaty brown jungle boipucci this guy got

watchin rambo first blood part 2 rn and john rambo saves all the sog pows so it’s all good bros

What do you guys think of SOG Prairie Fire? I thought it was pretty fun.

Delta vs. MACV-SOG
Who would win?

>>64133514
Obviously Delta. Duh!

I wish someone made a reproduction of the XM148. But I’m glad there’s an airsoft version at least.

>>64126634 (OP)
I couldn't handle the mosquitos. Takes real mental fortitude that I just don't have.

>>64126883

30 hryvnia have been send to your account comrade

>>64128713
I remember one of the guns they had was the "Death Machine" machine gun which was a cut down M60 with an ammo feed from an aircraft gun linking it to a backpack ammo bin. Field testing determined it was a little too heavy for their liking

>>64126634 (OP)
Maybe if they operated anywhere else. But hot and humid as fuck jungle weather is one of the few things that I find absolutely intolerable. Particularly with all the bugs and shit

>>64138368
I vacationed in Vietnam a few months ago and stay in the countryside. It doesn't get cool enough to sleep until the middle of the night, and then all sorts of animals and bugs wake up and make loud noises all night. Horrifying sounds that will keep you up. These guys thrived in this environment.

I had a cousin who was a radioman in Vietnam. He worked with these guys in some capacity but I was never able to get much in the way of details and never really pressed him about it. The one story I got, he talked about going over the border into Cambodia or Laos and getting into a firefight near some kind of temple. Whatever religion they practiced involved burying dead monks in mounds and digging them back up after they were just skeletons. Then they'd put the bones above ground in big ceramic jars. They wound up using open graves and mounds as makeshift cover with mortar rounds landing all over the place. The temple and jars got pounded hard and it was just raining bone and pottery fragments and shit all over the place.
He died of some pretty nasty ailments about 10 years ago from repeated Agent Orange exposure and even before that he wasn't quite 100% there mentally. I've never been sure how much of that story was real and how much was just in his imagination. Pretty interesting either way.

>>64126634 (OP)
>100% casualties ~50% KIA or MIA
no

>>64139954
casualty means injured. that means everyone was shot or caught shrapnel or whatever.

>>64139694
>and then all sorts of animals and bugs wake up and make loud noises all night. Horrifying sounds that will keep you up.
Semi-related but fun fact, the Indo-China peninsula is home to the only known amphibious centipede, Scolopendra cataracta. Which can reach a length of seven inches long and swims like a eel, living in the tropics sure is great.

>>64140046
yeah, I know.

>>64140082
We need more fire

>>64133479
Great fun when you turn off all friendly markers (but the mission objectives are sometimes a bit poorly defined)
I don't think we had more than two friendly fire incidents at the LAN party we played at

>>64126634 (OP)
No because I'm not a retarded golem

>>64137709
They had bug spray dude

>>64141804
charlie would sniff you out so fast

>>64126922
They exaggerated and made shit up, much like seals do on podcasts now.

>>64127161
You won’t do shit faggot

>>64126634 (OP)
most of /k/ wouldnt be able to maintian basic marine fitness much less macsog

>>64126922
most of the kills where from air strikes. the ratio is real but it looks more impressive than it is.

>>64142475
A SOG guy said on a podcast that they banned soap days before missions and everyone had to eat like VC so their shit would be indistinguishable

Since CIA SAC takes from tier 1 only, does that make them THE most deadly and effective over Delta? I think only SAS can compete with SAC

>>64145114
This is also something I've read, along with soap, deet etc. I believe they believed it, but how true it really was that Charlie could smell them out if they didn't, idk. I don't think the Australians did those things, and they absolutely mogged Charlie at jungle warfare to the point that the Vietnamese had fearful semi-mythical nicknames for them and their commanders went into substantial detail about the deficiencies of VC and NVA jungle fighting.

A lot of weird stuff in Vietnam suddenly makes sense of you interpret the whole thing as the US going in with no understanding of jungle warfare and then either refusing to adapt to some part of it or missing some point on it and then overcompensating so hard in another area that it gets weird and silly.

>>64145095
Forgot pic

>>64145158
Were there Aussies in Laos? My read is that they got sent out on a lot of suicide missions and fretting about little stuff was a way to feel like they had some control over the situation still.

>>64126937
Brain broken, there are a dozen slav fight threads you can chimp out in

>>64145183
Nowhere like that with acknowledged forces. I interpret the soap etc thing exactly the same way as you, but I didn't want to say that.

>>64145183
>>64145196
>Were there Aussies in Laos?
>Nowhere like that with acknowledged forces.
But, like, yeah, they totally were. They also did the Phoenix Program with the CIA, but both are only obliquely referenced. The Australian unit involved in both is the most obviously glowing cover shit you can possibly imagine, in an endearingly mid-Cold War Commonwealth forces kind of way, and I'm pretty sure has a memorial at Fort Bragg.

>>64126922
American k/d-figures from the Vietnam war are notoriously unreliable. They had every incentive to over-report.

>>64145127
>CIA SAC takes from tier 1 only

They take anyone who's served a few tours and is smart enough to pass selection and make it through The Farm. Some of the hardest guys in JSOC would never make it because they go *too* hard if you know what I mean. Ground Branch wants problem solvers, people who are qualified doorkickers but only when they need to be.

di di mau, beaucoup vc

>>64126680
>highly effective
not really

>>64126922
It’s in total bullshit. They made up numbers to try and appease the public. Yeah it’s cool to hear stories and closeted men love to idolize these other men but they were pretty unremarkable when it comes to actual effect.

>>64147353
Dude stop, you’re going to kill /k/’s fantasies of le oper8ting for closeted faggot politicians and Israel.

my great uncle gave me this M1 carbine. He was in MAC-V, was in Vietnam on the border between north and south before any regular GI troops made it there, and stayed after they were all sent home. Has seen some absolute shit and has a lot of stories. One quick storiy, he used his carbine to slot a cong scout who he suddenly met at the top of a hill face to face and he shot first. Poor cong had a bolt action rifle he was literally dragging behind him in the mud as he walked so he was too slow to draw.

Another story, he was up in a single prop plane with his pilot trying to call for any air support for his south vietnam militia guys on the ground during a battle with north forces. He was flying in circles around it all and no one was answering. After a few minutes finally someone answered in a thick southern accent and said something along the lines of "Uhhh if no one else can, we can give you fire support, send coords" It ended up being the guns from the fucking USS New Jersey battleship from WW II, and it was the biggest and loudest and most accurate explosions he witnessed in his three tours and it fucked up northerners on the ground

>>64147353
Wasn't their existence a secret til the 90s?

>>64148952
I heard that same story on a podcast with ex-SOG guys.

>>64126634 (OP)
with what people know and the materials available now? sure. back when we were figuring it out as we went at the cost of many human lives? it'd be a product of disadvantaged probabilities like anyone else.

>>64145114
>>64145158
I mean just think about it, it's a fucking Jungle. There's probably so many different smells happening there all at one time there is just no way you can pick out a couple of sweaty dudes. Maybe like 50 sweaty dudes all close together if there's a good breeze going too.

I saw a story on the History channel about the Vietcong having tanks and US military officers didn't believe it so they had some guys walking around the jungle looking for it. They found it, a battle ensued and everyone got a purple heart.

>>64133479
top tier DLC better than base game content, best Vietnam depiction in a game

>>64133479
unironically what got me interested in the Vietnam war.

>>64147353
>secret unit has to inflate its numbers to impress the people that dont know it even exists

>>64149316
No, some smells do linger for a very long time innajungle. The air is very still and humid, so smells can literally just sit there. Strong smells like cigarette smoke can be smelled sometimes for days afterwards (and not smoking or mitigating the smell if you is still definitely thing in jungle warfare, and was in Vietnam even for the Australans). I'm still a little skeptical about some of the SOG claims though. Something like aftershave or cigarette smoke, sure, but BO or shit? Ehhh. Unconvinced. Even deet doesn't tend to linger because of how volatile it is.

>>64148952
My uncle was a door gunner in the 158th Lancers from 69-70. They were tasked with taking guys from CCN into Laos and he had a lot of really cool stories. Pic related his helmet/flag/and gun oil he gave before he died

>>64149436
Whoops

>>64149433
well yeah chemical smells sure- perspired saline and turds? like you say, idk chief.

>>64149441
awesome

>>64126888
>>64129314
In Finnish service he is best known for leading his own detachment tasked with agressive patrolling/recon and partisan hunting, and his unit heavily favoured SMGs (pic related, Törni in the middle). I guess he wasn't too impressed with the Thompson and the Grease gun?

>>64128713
Post the Aussie weapons. I had a picture somewhere but I can’t find it right now.

>>64149433
Beats me, I've met urban middle class Viets in the 2020s and they still say we smell different
Racial advantage or something

>>64129314
>>64152965
Probably shooting through brush and trees. Some people can see straight through foliage like it isn't there. I did officer training with a guy from PNG who could see people, no shit, from more than 100m away in subtropical rainforest. And I mean people in camoflage uniforms who were prone. The instructors had to ban him from being made a lead scout and when that didn't work just generally from saying if he saw people. For a person like him, anything less than a full power rifle cartridge would never be able to make it through enough brush to hit things he could see without deflection. I suspect this Finnish dude might have been in that boat.

>>64126634 (OP)
The funny thing about old Secret Squirrel forces was that the on paper standards were pretty tame.. however, you were also expected to quite simply die if you didn't have what it really takes

>>64126634 (OP)
culturally, I would've fit right in

>>64149494
NVA security troops had dogs

>>64126680
>Thorne was carrying a bolt-action .30-06 Springfield when he became MACV-SOG’s first MIA in Laos.
According to what I've read he had a Swedish-K in his lap when his body was found.

>>64126789
>half+ of their team would be mongotards

how about these extractions

>>64139937
Honestly interesting detail with the monks being put in urns. I forget the term for that but it was definitely a thing with both some native south American groups and IIRC urn mummies or bone collections were a thing in parts of Asia as well. Might not be totally BS, wouldn't exactly be a common knowledge tradition for most people to know of, particularly decades back.

>>64126634 (OP)
>struggle in the jungle for years, bugs and heat abound
>fight in the harshest conditions against a well motivated enemy defending his homeland
>in a war they lost due to political reasons
Yeah miss me with that ptsd shit

could you imagine the ups and downs of running a mission and getting shot up, losing your buddies, intense days long firefights at times, then spending a couple weeks living it up, drinkin, whorin, gamblin. then get wound up and do it again (if youre lucky enough to survive again)

>>64158357
>Defending your homeland is when you conquer your neighbor

>>64158380
NVA were conquering but VC was being used like a puppet because the US failed to manage the south vietnam gov't.
South vietnam govt was still managing the country like if the french were still in place, and during the indochina war all vietnamese hated the french because they wanted to control everything including religion.
the americans on the other hand wanted to control fuck all but just stop the NVA, the NVA just put more oil into the fire and create the VC to fight along with them, so yeah, technically the VC were trying to defend their country (because they were fed commie propaganda).

>>64157430
This is the last known photo of Thorne, taken three days before the fatal helicopter flight. Looks like he's got both a Swedish K (barely visible) and a Springfield. I guess he left the rifle behind that day.

>>64158380
It is, thanks to the french. Politics and history are more complicated than a marvel movie

snake?

>>64127126
My grandfather was allegedly involved in some of the secret squirrel shit back in the 60s. When he was overdue back to base he found out they had guys just clear his shit out and just not acknowledge it.

>>64126634 (OP)
I'm a fat ginger who is over 30 years old and gets upset when the temperature is above 70.

No, and I'd frag you if you tried to make me go.

>>64147353
You're a massive poser

>>64157414
If the NVA could smell everything so well they wouldn't have needed dogs

>>64158357
>defending his homeland
You mean invading a sovereign nation to the south

>>64158209
fucking circus act, they should have had winches on the helos and the fact that they only switched to STABO rigs in like 1969 is fucking criminal (literally. someone had to fall out of a McGuire for things to change)

>>64159317
They gotta eat something other than rice anon

>>64158209
I didn't like being a cessna so no no way in hell

>>64126752
Only marines were autistic enough to wear flak jackets in the jungle

>>64159325
Well despite what the lines on the maps in the white house said, vietnam is generally the homeland of the vietnamese. Not less so when the opponent is a draft army from the US. A VC hiking through the jungle will feel more at home and have a closer cultural connection to the land and the people there than any GI, even though the land technically belongs to a different post-colonial political entity

>>64158400
Couldn't resist the tigerstripe autism either

>>64126791
>>64126862

MACV SOG is romanticized as being these ultimate badasses despite being a literal meat grinder unit and I don't understand why

>>64159819
aesthetics

>>64159819
I mean they *were* ultimate badasses, it's just that their mission was completely fucked from the beginning because politicians wouldn't let the military deal with the real problem

there were nva double agents

>>64145343
https://australiansatwarfilmarchive.unsw.edu.au/archive/2589
Captain Barry Petersen was in AATTV and sent out to run a Montagnard group.
Most of Apocalypse Now Kurtz craziness was based on the book Tiger Men.
Petersen wasnt even SASR just a regular infantry captain in an advisor position, which indicates the difference between US and Australian doctrine and experience in jungle warfare that even regulars were this tier.

>>64126709
Love SOG Cast. There are a few good interviews on Jocko's main podcast too, definitely worth a listen. Especially Doug “The Frenchman” LeTourneau and Dick Thompson

>>64145114
They also stopped wearing underwear and socks which is crazy

Would you have let him finish, too?

>>64159697
I'm south Vietnamese you idiot
I was born in Saigon in 1972
Stop being a communist sympathizer
Nobody voted for the north to invade my homeland

>>64160255
I believe the north did.

>>64160207
>the guard slumped forward, forever euphoric.

>>64160146
>just a regular infantry captain in an advisor position
kek. you do not understand how the Britoids do things

>>64160179
there's an interview with "Spider" Parks floating around, I think both by the guys who did the SOG themed ARMA3 mod.

>>64149424
many such cases unironically

>>64160207
I've heard stories like this where a sniper let his target eat a can of beans before shooting him.

>>64159686
Yeah and it saved a ton of lives.

>>64160255
That completely undoes the leftist myth of "liberation war" and "American imperialism", the North didn't win over hearts and minds, they used overwhelming and brutal force to conquer a sovereign nation and overthrew and appointed puppet rulers to two more (Laos and Cambodia).

>>64160207
>bobbing motion
>he was sucking himself off
Biggest dick Asian right there.

>>64160255
sure you are

>>64160207
Imagine coming back from a swim and finding your buddy with two holes in his head and his dick in his hand. Some commissar probably had to come up with a lecture about the dangers of self-pollution after this case.

why did they like the m1 carbine so much

>>64161151
if you mean SOG, they didn't

>>64161151
they used the M3 in a few situations

>>64129314
> would've probably been using a Finnish Mosin copy during the Winter War and a Mauser during his SS days
Probably carried an M1917 in the jungle for extra chad power though

>>64161151
A lot of early SOG guys were in the Korean

>>64161151
they didn't. do to plausible deniability they were forced to use them it the earlier parts of the war.

>>64161151
A lot of early SOG guys were in the Korean War

>>64162122
They used fur missiles?

>>64162727
no. that's just Klaus, Jerry Shriver's dog.

>>64162750
this guy

>>64160759

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0M_dn8WHE

>>64126634 (OP)
Maybe, I do a lot of work outside in the southern summer heat and know how to make mosquito bites not itch. I say that it becomes like a jungle down here every summer and I'm not wrong.

>>64161151
Because it fucks

>>64156440
genuinely curious, whats the rationale behind banning him from being lead scout?

>>64126862
>at a certain point it's no longer a question of toughness and skill but luck
That's what all warfare is, for soldiers.

>>64160207
what book is this from?

>>64126634 (OP)
I genuinely think I'm not genetically disposed to fight in a jungle, unless we're going fucking Rohdeisa style minimal kit with short shorts and LB webbing gear

I sweat so fucking much I would actually die of exposure or drinking all my squads water or something

>>64169231
"SOG: The Secret Wars of America's Commandos in Vietnam" by John L Plaster

>>64145158
>>64145114
thats probably just hunting fuddness blending into preparation

Catalog

>>64172893
kekaroo

>>64126752
>You have no drones, no arty
The LRRPs depended on massive amounts of artillery and air power, and they had none of the restrictions modern soldiers labor under.

>>64159819
It's a cycle of civilian fantasies. They can't fantasize about modern professionals because those have the newest gear, organization rules, and most of all because they could have joined but chose not to. So the everyman picks a myth from 2-3 wars back to imagine himself being in.

>>64177231
Right, these guys survived only because of air support. Once they called a Prairie Fire emergency everything loaded with ordnance was diverted to them

>>64160146
Cunts fought hard (South Koreans too).

>>64126634 (OP)
yeah, because i had one of those miserable drunken fucks as a scout leader, and myt dad thought it would be funny to let a sadist try to march kids 60 miles through a state park.

Nah. Being recon platoon in the infantry was shitty enough. Didn't have the motivation to pursue sf and shit even though I did well on the platoon tryouts they forced us to do all the damn time. One and done for me

>>64126634 (OP)
>laos or cambodia?

Negative, I would be immediately incapacitated by jungle asian poon.

>>64126680
>His captors had thought he was too close to death to need a guard, but he managed to crawl off into the jungle and evade recapture until rescued.
Hard as fuck

>>64177231
SOG was a tier above LRRPs
they operated way outside artillery range and in some places (Cambodia up to a point, North Vietnam) with no or minimal air support
the ideal was to go in and out undetected, which they rarely managed due to massive failures in opsec/comsec
snoopin' an' poopin' they used to call it

>>64179683
South Koreans were like the Vietnam equivalents of Dirlewanger
Mostly known for killing and raping all and any civilians in their AO

>>64179871
You sound whiny and weak

>>64180714
fuck you and to hell with that sour old drunk. best thing he ever did was wrap himself around a tree in 1996. sob story SAD O SAD vietnam war faggot.

>>64149346
There is a story in "Low Level Hell" about an aeroscout finding a huge camouflaged bunker, and when an infantry patrol investigated they found it contained a very well maintained US tank that the Viet Cong had captured years ago and that had been lost ever since.

>>64166196
>whats the rationale behind banning him from being lead scout?
Obviously to make the training more realistic, the head scouting needed to be done by sb who was not a one in a thousand eyesight wizard. Obviously he would have been forst pick for head scout in an actual combat situation.