Thread 64134006

It is claimed that this photo shows a Ukrainian Flamingo missile with a 3000 km range

https://xcancel.com/mil_in_ua/status/1957158079986032734#m

>>64134006 (OP)
Close enough. Welcome back V1 flying bomb

>>64134006 (OP)
Looks like the hardcore giganigga version of a V1.

Slightly better res

>>64134006 (OP)
same vibes

>>64134006 (OP)
To be entirely fair, it's probably a localized FP-5 from Milanion Group, seeing as they are already supplying other products to Ukraine

>>64134006 (OP)
Around 1t of payload, right? Seems juicy

>>64134006 (OP)

nuke Moscow.

TRD is going to accelerate.

>>64134006 (OP)
Get Spitfire'd

>>64134126
ukraine can build missiles themselves just fine, it doesn't look similar enough. the overall architecture is just a generic v1-style cruise missile

>>64134188
>ukraine can build missiles themselves just fine
Probably can, but there might be other objective reasons to go down localization path
>it doesn't look similar enough
Consider picrel of FP-5 scale model at IDEX 2025

>>64134171
would that work?

>V1
Ukies you magnificent bastards, you've actually made it

>>64134126
qrd on the company?

If no real ceasefire or peace deal is ever reached and Ukraine and Russia basically just keep fighting until someone taps out, how far do you guys think the Ukrainian domestic missile production industry would go? Could they make domestic HIMARS reloads? Domestic Tomahawk equivalents? Domestic MRBMs?

>>64134188
Could be licensed production just to build something "proven", but yeah they've previously already had local missiles of similar configuration, just smaller

>>64134212
HQ in UAE, but has offices in other countries too. They've been suppling UGVs and motorized mortar systems to Ukraine
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ukraine-received-alakran-self-propelled-mortars-based-on-vamtac/

>>64134226
Domestic ICBM please, made from Cyclone space shit, get those faggots from Yuzhmash on it

>>64134231
And who are the people behind the company? Having HQ in UAE seems more like a business/tax decision over anything else, no?

>>64134006 (OP)
>3000 km range
So it's over for the Black Sea Fleet?

>>64134229
>missiles of similar configuration, just smaller
yep, this little bugger

>>64134251
I hope they fuck over russia oil extraction stations, instead of refineries, since unlike refineries you can't "fix" a blown up oil well

>>64134260
Were these ever used? Every video I saw was always Liutyi drones hitting stuff.

>>64134268
Soon

>>64134198
The name of the UA company developing is Fire Point and they renamed themselves to FP recently. They are already a producer of strike drones for UA. "FP-5" Fire Point 5, I think the system was developed with UA/UAE cooperation from the start.

>>64134277
Liutiy (what a weird name) is pretty slow, so it's easy to record.

>>64134268
>>64134311
I don’t know why some retards STILL don’t comprehend despite it being explained a thousand times, Ukraine is not going to blow up oil extraction because it fucks over world economy

>>64134171
erm aktually only the Hawker Temptest could successfully intercept a V-1

>>64134198
Cute

>>64134277
>Were these ever used?
Yes. Their wreckage has been found at various sites, and hits on command centers/deops have been credited to it. Note: Those claims do not come from UKR telegrams.
The only proof of their use we have is from Z-telegrams when wreckage is posted. Much less photogenic than Liutyi, that's for sure.

>>64134422
>it fucks over world economy
It won't do shit. It's not like ukies can knock out 100% of the extraction with a single strike. There are a ton of oil field and oil wells. Knowing them down one by one will cause nothing.

>>64134452
Israel knocked out zero oil wells in Iran, oil jumped to 70 dollars/barrel.
> Knowing them down one by one will cause nothing.
So what’s the fucking point again? If knocking some down “won’t cause jump in price” then neither will it chip in Russian revenue.
So what’s your genius plan in striking well but not enough to impact anything?

>>64134201
at supersonic speed it would break your wing

>>64134422
>because it fucks over world economy
*Euro economy
Nobody cares about turdies.

At the moment the 3 primary consumers of Russian oil are China (almost exclusively personal consumption), India (mix of personal consumption and reselling), and Turkey (almost exclusively reselling).

Nobody gives a shit about about China, India, and Turkey. The problem is a good portion of what goes to India and Turkey gets resold to Eurofags. Until they get off it (not happening while Fico and Orban are in office) Ukraine can't afford to alienate ANY part of the EU. Which means no strikes to oil extraction and transport.

>>64134201
>would
Does he know?

>>64134506
> At the moment the 3 primary consumers of Russian oil
Jesus Christ where the fuck retards like you come from. It doesnt fucking matter who consumes Russian oil or where they resell it because oil is fucking fungible. Do you fucking retard understand what will happen to world economy when oil jumps to 90 dollars per barrel?

>>64134006 (OP)
How does one get into naming the weapon department because some of these names suck

>>64134006 (OP)
Late Nazi Germany V-2 wunderwaffles vibes. The closer a country and its army are to total collapse, and the more imminent their defeat appears, the more wunderwaffles it tries to build. It's like a Hail Mary, a desperate attempt to change the situation on the ground by some "magic trick" that never succeeds.
Russia doesn't present any new weapons, she just uses them and doesn't try to sell them as silver bullets to everyone.
Zelensky is meeting with Trump tomorrow, then, on August 21-22, they are scheduled to meet with Putin, where Zelensky will be forced to sign a capitulation agreement and officially recognize Russian control over Donbass, Crimea, Kherson, and Zaporozhie. No wunderwaffle can change that situation now, it's too little and too late. Meanwhile, Russia just hit all of the factories in Pavlograd and other locations where the Ukrainian missile components have been assembled, thus disabling almost 90% of the Ukrainian military industry.

>>64134006 (OP)
Okay, this is the NINTH missile design they've announced. Stop with the photo ops and launch them at Russia, jesus fucking christ Zelensky, Nazi Germany would have made it to Mars by now

>>64134277
Except a lot of these missiles are bright and noisy as hell and miraculously Russians never find the wreckage of any of them when they hit their targets. They just aren't being used yet. They allegedly said they would be ready this fall (and vatniks panicking on telegram about the Ukie missile program reaching its conclusion seemed to reinforce this idea) but they might just be hoarding them for something big like spiderweb 2.0, at least, that's what I hope all the stalling is for

>>64134475
>Israel knocked out zero oil wells in Iran, oil jumped to 70 dollars/barrel.
Temporary jump with people hedging their bets on if there will be a full blown war or not. Doesn't change shit overall.

>>64134475
>So what’s the fucking point again? If knocking some down “won’t cause jump in price” then neither will it chip in Russian revenue.
that's not how it works, every well down is a big issue for russia, but russia isn't the only producer on the market, far from it, any temporary price jump will just cause other producers (like the US for that matter) to produce more

>>64134231
>HQ in UAE
So, Russia has direct access to it and can sabotage it without facing any consequences (UAE is in BRICS+ and is a Russian ally in OPEC)? Cool.

>>64134520
>It doesn't fucking matter who consumes Russian oil or where they resell
Turkey, India and China are pivotal to Russian access to the global oil market. Which is one reason (among many) Urals crude is priced separate others. Note: Others.Oil isn't a monolith.

More to the point are you suggesting there is infrastructure and markets enough to sell hundreds of billions of Russian crude to, say, Bolivia? Obviously not. Not Bolivia, and not anyone else, beyond a narrow band of purchasers.
The nations who purchase and/or resell Russian crude at scale are not so coincidental, but a function of geographic convenience and (vulnerable, expensive) infrastructure. So, they're VERY important when discussing Russian oil's future and impact on markets.

>hitler uses esoteric /pol/chud magickas to create magic guidance systems for the V1, (and only the v1 ok shut up)
>He can now target exact locations, but still lacks modern satellite monitoring etc so recon planes still needed
Is this enough to make the V1 an actually useful investment or is it still a hilarious waste of resources?

>>64134612
You are brown

>>64134620
>Stop with the photo ops and launch them at Russia, jesus fucking christ Zelensky
The thing is, he can't. All of these are just mockups and will never reach serial production because of rampant corruption, and it's also highly likely that the Ukrainian MIC will be decimated by Russia's demilitarization conditions and limitations in this new peace treaty.

>>64134660
I know this is bait but Ukraine will never accept a "treaty" I hope you realize that

>>64134612
4 years of war and you people are so delusional you're still spouting shit like this lmao.
if you put this level of naive near-retarded optimism into something productive that wasn't gargling russian semen, like a workout regimen, you might've accomplished something worthwhile by now.

>>64134660
>B-B-BUT MUH PEACE TREATY
it's gonna be real fun watching you delusional retards instantly shut up about this narrative in a few days when fuckall happens.

>>64134506
>not happening while Fico and Orban are in office
not happening because it's cheaper and the energy hungry industries are already struggling*

>>64134612
Russia's only remaining advantages over Ukraine right now are manpower and aviation. Sanctions were supposed to disable the former, but orange man chickened out. The latter are going to be deleted when these missiles go online

>>64134645
V1 could've been an useful tool, with a sarin warhead.
But historically, unitary explosive weren't worth it, clearly

>>64134612
>brownie schzoid nonsense
In other news Witkoff (local retard) is claiming
>"The US secured a concession from Russia allowing Washington to extend NATO-style Article 5 protection guarantees to Ukraine."
ie. Putin is willing to allow NATO-in-all-but-name to be extended to Ukraine, EU membership be extended to Ukraine, and the continued militarization of Ukraine. Oh, and Putin will pinky-promise not to attack, again (lol).

This is probably 100% false because Witkoff is actually retarded, but also does not exactly sound like the direction of your schizoid-babel is being fulfilled in the near-term.

>>64134665
Man, the AFU is losing badly in Pokrovsk and Kupyansk right now, and Russia has already reached the last line of the AFU's defenses in Donetsk, the so-called Fortress Belt (the Kramatorsk-Slaviansk-Druzhkivka-Constantinovka agglomeration). Even if they don't sign the treaty, Russia will defeat them militarily by the end of the year.
Yesterday, there was a thorough analysis thread on /pol/ that concluded there simply isn't enough manpower or equipment to contain the Russian army anymore. Multiple anonymous geopolitical and military strategists from the US and EU agreed on that in that thread.

>>64134683
Obviously, but that's because Europe is deindustrializing.
Cheap vs. expensive Russian gas/oil is a rounding error, for that.

>>64134693
you can feel the desperation in every breath of these ziggers on /k/ now
>p-please
>can...can the humiliation of my favourite shithole PLEASE be over PLEASE TRUMP JUST GIVE PUTIN A MAGIC WIN BUTTON PLEASE
they do this shit every time "peace" talks happen and every time they fail to understand that as long as these "peace" talks are not favourable enough to ukraine they can just say "fuck you" and continue mulching ziggers with european aid while russia slowly chokes to death on european sanctions, they seemingly don't understand that trump doesn't have the leverage needed to get zelensky to do much, especially not signing a thinly-veiled surrender bill.

>>64134709
>fail to understand
oh they understand. that's why they're seething every time.

>>64134693
it'll be some horse shit like "Article 5 style but with no tripwire forces in Ukraine"

>>64134696
You're missing the point man. If Ukraine capitulates in a treaty Russians will just break the treaty by continuing the war anyway. The war will literally never end until Russia loses (or Ukraine gets a treaty where they don't have to surrender land, militarization, etc.). It's better to keep fighting now rather than keep fighting later at an even greater disadvantage

>>64134696
>man the AFU is losing badly in [middleofnowhereovsk]
in your tongue that means ziggers are getting mulched in the thousands in return for taking another bombed out village, still losing the attritional war.
>t-this is the last line!
man you fuckers really are this delusional and short of memory that you don't remember saying this exact same thing for bahkmut lmao
>n-nuh uh
yuh uh, you fucking dead, retarded zigger, you clamored over bahkmut as the last line of defense for SOOOOOO long and it was a fucking nothingburger as everyone but you predicted, because you were just getting desperate and still thought that there was some way for russia to get itself out of this suicide by cop it's put itself in.
>a thorough analysis
you mean chanting a cope mantra like "russia is winning"?
>on /pol/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you should go back, champ.

>>64134720
>If Ukraine capitulates in a treaty Russians will just break the treaty by continuing the war anyway.
Russia has promised President Trump that it will not attack again if the Ukrainians surrender. Putin is a serious man and a responsible leader, he wouldn't lie to the US president about that.

>>64134251
It might be over for the Northern Fleet, Baltic Fleet and Caspian Flotilla as well

>>64134738
>Russia has promised
Oh they promised, thank god.

>>64134696
If Putin were confident that he could take Ukraine's fortress belt he wouldn't have asked for a peace agreement in exchange for Ukraine giving it up without a fight.

Kramatorsk and Sloviansk are both the same size as Bakhmut, and in mutually supportive locations. It took the RUAF 8 months to conquer Bakhmut, and the Russians had significantly better resources than they do now (i.e. no need tactical donkeys and scooter cavalry) while Ukraine had worse resources at their disposal. Even ignoring this, and assuming that it will take 8 months for both cities, that still leaves 16 months worth of fighting; the Russian economy doesn't have that much time.

>>64134696
>there was a thorough analysis thread on /pol/
Hahahaha. Good one.

>>64134006 (OP)
The V1 jokes are pretty close
This was developed and financed by Germany, and built by Ukraine

>>64134738
>russia has promised
not good enough, as russians are untrustworthy creatures that have broken peace treaties with ukraine and others multiple times before.
ukraine wants more garuantees than just a pinky promise from a bunch of genocidal pathologically lying deathcultists too retarded to understand that attacking ukraine in the first place was a bad idea. if they were stupid enough to take an offer like that they wouldn't need trump as a medium for that.

>putin is a serious man
geriatric dictator
>and a responsible leader
psychopath who mulched over a million of his people and murdered it's economy because he thought he personally might get something out of it.
you're either a loser who's pretending to be retarded or you're an actual retard.

>>64134738
>Russia has promised
you sound like a total fucking retard

>>64134612
How is this a wunderwaffe? And if Ukraine is near collapse wouldn’t it be more likely we’d see something about it

>>64134678
>it's gonna be real fun watching you delusional retards instantly shut up about this narrative in a few days when fuckall happens
If the Ukrainian regime refuses to sign a peace deal this week, there is a very high probability that President Trump will withdraw the US from the NATO military alliance altogether and end all military and ffinancial aid to the AFU. It is also quite possible that he may start aiding Russia because he has realized that the Ukrainian regime, not Russia, is the one building obstacles to longstanding peace.

>>64134696
>Man, the AFU is losing badly in Pokrovsk and Kupyansk right now,
Really because I just heard they trapped several Russian soldiers and destroyed an armored assault

>>64134226
They were building not-ICBMs until 2015

>>64134738
Ok now I know you’re trolling

>>64134752
Is this supposedly the missile Germans were working with Ukrainians on to replace the Taurus they wouldn't give? I don't see proof of that anywhere

>>64134771
Kek. You're a real card.

>>64134771
>If the Ukrainian regime refuses to sign a peace deal this week, there is a very high probability that President Trump will withdraw the US from the NATO military alliance altogether and end all military and ffinancial aid to the AFU. It is also quite possible that he may start aiding Russia because he has realized that the Ukrainian regime, not Russia, is the one building obstacles to longstanding peace.

>>64134771
>regime
it's just a country, not a regime like russia lol
>refuses to sign
it has no reason not to if the deal is bad
>t-trump will w-withdraw from nato
hahahahaha
>and end all military and financial aid to the AFU
nobody cares, europe's taking care of that.
>he may start aiding russia
in your delusional subhuman zigger dreams lmao.

listen again, if you are pretending to be retarded, you are not anymore pathetic than someone that genuinely holds these opinions, you understand that right? it makes zero difference
real retarded subhuman zigger is just as pathetic as fake retarded subhuman zigger.

>>64134778
And the Zenit family

>>64134226
Basically all the way. I mean fuck if they hold out until 2030 they might unironically have their own space program surpassing definitely not SpaceX but potentially ESA

>>64134748
>the Russian economy doesn't have that much time.
I'll know the end is nigh when something happens to the Wicked Witch of Neglinnaya Street.

>>64134708
>Obviously, but that's because Europe is deindustrializing.
Germany is increasing military spending to one trillion euros in the next five years, the rest of europe following close behind. There will be nothing left of russia, it will be completely wiped out from history

>>64134612
My brown friend, in the last 1000 days russia occupied 1% of ukie territory. Superpower much?

>>64134696
>Even if they don't sign the treaty, Russia will defeat them militarily by the end of the year.

>"This year! This is the year we win"

We're in the fourth years of thirdies saying this

>>64134799
>Germany is increasing military spending to one trillion euros in the next five years
In the next five years, the AfD party will come to power and vote to withdraw from the EU and NATO, and to establish a deeper economic and cultural partnership with Russia. The same will happen in France with the RN party and in Poland with Konfederacja, and in many other countries in Europe, maybe with the exception of Scandinavians, although it's debatable. The simple truth is, Europeans don't want war with Russia. They know it's better to have Russia as a friend than as an enemy. They know you can't defeat Russia, the Teutons tried it and failed, Poland tried it and failed, Napoleon tried it and failed, and finally Hitler tried it and failed. That's why they're voting for pro-Russian parties now, especially zoomers, who don't want to die in meaningless wars for their oligarchs and incompetent bureaucrats.

>>64134660
>All of these are just mockups
Yeah

>>64134820
yep, literally the ONLY reason why someone as pathetic and bad at gambling as putin would want a "peace" treaty is if he's not confident he's going to win before russia collapses (which he is right about) and desperately wants to put the war eating their country alive on hold and get favourable conditions out of it now that they can use to attempt to finish the job later.
if they were going to win "this year" then why even bother communicating with ukraine, wait a year and you can sprawl over all of ukraine, annex all of it and do all the subhuman stealing, raping and mass killing you want.
the only reason he's begging for peace is because russians actually suck at the only thing they know how to do, which is being overly aggressive brutish chimps.

>>64134821
It is over vadim. There is absolutely nothing you can do to. The US will not save you

>>64134821
>in the next 5 years [zigger fanfic] and to [zigger fanfic]
these posts are extremely low quality

>>64134821
did you know that pretending to be retarded is something only complete fucking losers do?

>>64134620
>photo ops
still seething about long neptun?

>>64134696
How's that breakthrough going?

>>64134851
he's just seething period, he's spamming all his mantra narratives as a self-soothing mechanism, like a baby suckling on it's thumb because he knows he can do absolutely nothing to stop his favourite russian shithole he betrayed his nation for from dying.

>>64134851
>>64134858
Not even the same guy. The point is Ukrainian defense keeps making promises and yet the missiles never ever show up. If they were really ready then Russia's air fields would already have been deleted by now but instead they are still relying on ghetto shit like FPVs in trucks and a propeller planes. Stop freaking out and assuming every criticism of the Ukrainian MIC is vatnikism. It's a valid criticism: they keep hyping up their new missiles and then they never get fired at Russia, it's annoying. Less talk more doing

>>64134050
Why do I get a feeling of dred looking at that pic?

>>64134883
prolly because a lot of these were assembled with slave labor.

>>64134520
Ural crude was consistently trading at 40-50 USD less per barrel than Brent well before russia shit itself. China, India, and Turkey are happy to gobble it up because its even cheaper than that right now. We're talking in the "it loses money to produce this oil for sale" level of cheap. The wells can't stop pumping though, and russia is desperate for any capital it can raise so if the state says Gazprom has to die to fund the war for another year, Gazprom has to die. Destroying refining capacity is huge though, there's not only a very small list of countries that would sell russia excess fuel and petrochemicals, the price would be murderous.

>>64134874
what you nigger fucking talking about?
you think first PrSM use was in 2020?

>>64134914
i feel like a lot of people keep forgetting it, but yeah, a lot of the time nowadays, russia is selling at volumes and prices that literally make it not worth the money put into the extraction and transportation process.

>>64134874
>yet the missiles never ever show up
yet shit gets destroyed deep inside russia somehow

>>64134612
5 days ago the front was collapsing ITS OVER SAAR
and what now? the front didnt collapse

>>64134932
>yet shit gets destroyed deep inside russia somehow
By slow moving Lyutiy drones, not missiles

>>64134821
the super power that lost against japan then germany collpased in 1917 then gloriously lost 27 million shabbos goyim and collpased again in 1991

>>64134943
Even if he was right it wouldn't matter because by the time AfF gains majority Russia will have already disintegrated

>>64134935
because you said so?

>>64134943
>gloriously lost 27 million
it's actually lost more

>>64134268
The best strategic target would be the substations that power the electric railroads west of the Urals. Shut down most rail traffic and you not only crash the economy, you cripple their resupply to the front.

>>64134696
(you) are a dumb nigger

>>64134955
Because there is zero evidence. There have been maybe 7 missile attacks against Russia this year, at least half of which are probably modified long neptunes. Nobody on the Russian side ever posts their engines, their wings, their markings, nothing. Missiles even land completely intact every once in a while too, we have seen this. I know there was one a week ago that hit a refinery, but it is incredibly rare to see them, which means they just aren't used. Remember, hundreds of them are being made per month allegedly, it doesn't add up unless they are either aren't ready or are being prepared for a big attack soon

>>64134954
imagine that

>>64134975
>Because there is zero evidence
1) my brown friend, there's literally imagery posted in this thread;
2) you do realize that large regions of russia literally have internet shut down these days to try and limit crap from being leaked online, what you see posted if a tip of the iceberg;

>>64134960
keep in mind too that it was split over other parts of the soviet union that no longer belong to them now, and the only reason why that completely unecessary amount of losses happened was because russians fucking suck and are inefficient, if not for western aid they would have all been eradicated and the remainder sent fleeing into the urals to starve to death.

>>64134998
Wow incredible, when is that one from, 2023? My retarded friend I'm not saying they don't launch them, I'm saying they don't launch them at any meaningful rate, but every once in a blue moon, mainly for testing purposes

>>64134998
i think he's the kind of guy who watched anduril's trailers and goes OMG GUISE NEW ARAB KILLER 9000 MISSILES SOON
>>64135015
i was wrong. you are actually retarded

>>64134520
Oil is NOT perfectly fungible. It is only partially fungible. There are costs and limits to transporting it. These have to be factored in to it.

>>64135019
>CGI image
Yeah

>>64134821
Its cute that you think a collapse in European democracy will lead to other countries colonising Europe and not European countries taking their old colonies back

>>64135025
no shit retard, do you know what that is?

>>64135021
To add: refinement infrastructure is often tuned to specific oils. I think venezuelan oil is so out there that very few (if any) facilities actually process it.

>>64134915
>you think first PrSM use was in 2020?

IIRC PrSM and GMLRS both have a 200 pound (90 kg) warhead so they should have the same terminal effect or lack of it. In contrast, unitary warhead ATACMS has a 500 pound / 227 kg warhead and Iskander/Khinzal has a 2200 pound / 500 kg warhead. All numbers from memory. PrSM seems to be oriented towards striking small unhardened tactical targets, probably a requirement from the eternal colonial wars.

>>64135015
>when is that one from, 2023?
The image above was from late 2024, it was literally announced in August 2024 and by September first strikes with them happened

>>64134645
V1 would have been a solid weapon... in 1940, during the BoB, where it could have been used to bombard cities while the bombers remained focused on the RAF. There would have been very little the UK could have done to decisively deal with the problem, and if you add your magic caveat to the scenario, that's enough accuracy to hit ships at piers and drydocks, which means the Home Fleet is suddenly at risk.

The problem was, in late 1944 the US had a whole bunch of 90mm radar-aimed guns with proximity fuzes and ground troops were pushing towards the V1 launch sites. The operational climate was completely different, and most V1s failed to cause any real damage.

>>64134201
British pilots did this against V1 rockets to knock their autopilots out and send them crashing into the ground.

>>64134883
The horrible forced labour combined with everyone involved in paperclip pretending they believed von Braun had visited the sites dozens of times but had no idea they were slaves.

>>64134422
Some estimates put 10-20% of Russia's oil refining as out of service from Ukrainian drone attacks. Russia's own numbers, likely generous, put capacity of refining in the low 80%.
This data is before the recent attacks on some of the biggest refineries Russia has - so it's plausible that Russia is refining oil products at only 70%+ capacity.

Now - look at any chart measuring the price of crude oil and petroleum from this year and tell the thread what you see. Ukraine has made direct attacks on tax revenue, military fuel supplies, whilst barely affecting global oil product prices.

Boms away is what I say. Destroy them all and starve the Muscovite regime of tax revenue.

It is absurd that ziggers like you churn out these retarded arguments in the year 2025 3.5 years after the zigger army has failed to defeat Ukraine.

And what is the Ukraine going to do with those? The war is going to end in a couple of months after the Trump and Putin meeting.

>>64135197
Crash into those planes

WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>64135207
These likely aren't compatible with Buk, though

>>64135207
He will have his revenge...

>>64135197
. . . but why?
Unless Trump himself decides to invade Ukraine (lol, lmao even), I see no indication we're even moderately close to ending the war, as both sides are CLEARLY uninterested in making concessions.

>>64135231
He's fine

https://youtu.be/jcCPHueWV8I?si=MrKA6fiNzf3GCdD-

>>64134748
>the Russian economy doesn't have that much time
I disagree.
The slave labour socialist economy of Marx, Lenin, Engels-ish ilk is being rebuilt at pace. Assets are being seized, bank accounts frozen, .etc It's slowly slowly at first but then perhaps all in one big rush. So Russians are already being robbed of their livelihoods, but some faster than others.
Will SHTF if sufficiently many are economically draughted? Let's see. I hope for a long and bloody civil war.

>>64135261
What is he doing with the Führer?

>>64134796
There's not much she can do. Banks are awash with cash but don't want to lend it. There's a massive massive gulf in interbank lending rates and corporate/individual lending rates. It's quite astonishing really. A liquidity crisis for thee but not for me. There's an immense ongoing credit crunch which is only slightly alleviated by payday lenders (now being stamped out by the government) as well as loan sharks - but the overall trend is a steep drop in consumption hence below inflation VAT receipts to the Muscovite regime despite aggressive tax rises.
There are macroprudential limits and other financial constraints which could be relaxed to try and spur lending activity. However many of these have already been relaxed, in addition with some tightening elsewhere to not let it all go to hui, and there's no luck here. Banks aren't stupid. Lending activity has been too high to finance this war which is making no fucking money back. They all know that it's time to consolidate and withdraw funding for this rubbish. They can't stop financing the war - so to compensate they must restrict lending to everyone else. And so the civilian sector gets shit on.

>>64134226
ukranians are quick on their wits and adapting on their feet. Now that EUs money is flowing into mil industry investments the potential is definitely there

>>64134422
> it fucks over world economy
>and by that you mean pajeetia and xiggerstan, the vast majority importers of vatnik oil
boo fucking hoo. if north america wants to cry about their cheap as dirt gas being once cent more expensive then issue more fracking licenses

anything goes to fuck over vatnikstan and make sure the rabid aids bear has anything left to bite with

>>64135283
current guesstimate is that she will be turned into a scapegoat and publicly crucified for the recession. she is also one of the hated liberals branded inside pozzia so she is an easy mark

>>64134748
they still have the command economy, gulag slave labor concentration camp and total censorship card to play. this kind of stalinist tyrannies are a shitpile but can be resilient. look at kim jong fats hermit kingdom. its survived a famine in the 90s killing millions and causing cannibalism. all with enough jack boots and paranoia

>>64135299
>current guesstimate is that she will be turned into a scapegoat
It's a double edged sword, the biggest butthurt retards about her are the even more soviet hardline faggots a la "let's use the central bank's reserves to fund shit" and "let's the state enforce pricing", all that shit

Why does Ukraine still want US security guarantees when Trump can't be trusted?

>>64135351
U.S. can't guarantee safety but NATO allies might

>>64135351
Long-term shit might be valueable

>>64135351
Imagine the kino of an ABCT stationed as peacekeepers in the fortress belt.

>>64135322
>>64135334
The fact that Putin has done everything he can to avoid an (overt) second wave of mobilization suggests that he is wary of pushing the Russian people (that is to say, the residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg) too far. We'll just have to see how desperate he gets and if Russians are truly buckbroken enough to accept a complete breakdown of living standards in a war of choice rather than a war of survival. The Soviet campaign in Afghanistan suggests that they probably aren't but you never know.

>>64135351
>Trump is president forever
yeah

>>64135516
Trump has permanently destroyed trust in America, look at Canada, Canadians wants to sever all ties with the US

>>64134006 (OP)
>Flamingo
kek you've just got to love those Ukranians, they have class. I hope they have a cache of 50 nukes since everyone else cheated on the budapest memorandum

>>64134130
>Around 1t of payload, right? Seems juicy
spicy

gudbye moscow

>>64134974
1 ruble = 1 ruble

>>64135652>>64135516

>Trump has permanently destroyed trust in America
true

he just had a murderer for coffee and cake in America. The USA has effectively zero allies and that's been true ever since that stunt vance and trump pulled with zelensky in the oval office. Even with Trump gone, the USA has ceased to be a credible ally, or just credible coherent government or people full stop. See the betrayal of Ukraine, the attacks on Canada, Denmark and every other nation that lost men in afghanistan. You want to know the one nation with no tariffs? Russia.

>>64134130
1000kg. This would make it the biggest payload of any missile Ukraine has (and range, by a long shot).

>Trembita
20kg
>Palianytsia
50kg
>Peklo
50kg
>Bars
100kg?
>Ruta
100kg
>Long Neptune
150kg
>OTRK Sapsan
500kg
>Flamingo
1000kg

>>64135690
>1 ruble = 1 ruble

>>64135707
lol it's from a official russian social media account. i wish i saved the pic.

>>64135503
>We'll just have to see how desperate he gets and if Russians are truly buckbroken enough to accept a complete breakdown of living standards in a war of choice rather than a war of survival.
I don't think you understand the reversion to stalinism in Russia. You don't want to wind up ina gulag with a broomhandle in your anus? Then you keep your mouth shut and don't ever criticise the Tsar. You wnat to criticise the war? Say goodbye to your kids. They've just beed adopted by a putin loyalist and sent to an FSB boarding school and the last think you hear before you fall out a window is they will be told you were a traitor. If you get caught posting acriticism you get a choice, sign a military contract or go to a gulag for two months and get raped until you cannot walk and then die of HIV. Understand?

>>64134638
>So, Russia has direct access to it and can sabotage it without facing any consequences (UAE is in BRICS+ and is a Russian ally in OPEC)? Cool.
why are you so retarded?

>>64135690
i doubt that's gonna work out with an over 20% and rising inflation rate.

>>64135249
A bunch of people (which isn't just ziggers) have this idea that Ukraine actually is a US proxy and will "fall in line" soon enough.

>>64135772
A ton of retards in russia don't think about inflation in terms of how it actually works. They look at what the government says to them and eat it up. And when they encounter increased prices in stores due to inflation of currency devaluation they blame the businessman being greedy. Back in 2014-2015 when the ruble crashed 2x and the prices of new generation of iPhones and such became 2x as expensive they were shitting themselves about why Apple raised the prices so much kek.

>>64136115
Chat is this real?

>>64136115
Ok Garmin, video spierchern!

>>64136183
Yes, but it took 1st Azov Corps and ~5 more veteran brigades to achieve the tiniest encirclement in history.

>>64136272
All of those guys are fine but the ziggers they mulched sure aren’t.

>>64134020
fpbp

Welcome back V1

>>64136280
Azov had to be pulled from their stretch of the front line, which had been stable for months, only to clean up the mess of some retards who didn't care to report the severity of the situation accurately.

>>64135874
>Ukraine actually is a US proxy and will "fall in line"
Trump himself made the chances of this disappear when he forced the NATO countries to increase spending and withdrew Ukraine aid. He basically robbed himself of any leverage he could use to make Ukraine fold.

>>64136383
>constantly screech that he’ll leave NATO if europe doesn’t carry it’s weight (fair enough) and he want to stop ukraine aid (retarded)
>first threat against ukraine is that he’ll cut off aid
He really gimped himself with that onr, didn’t he?

>>64135772
>over 20%
That's the central bank key interesdt rate. Rule of thumb is to take key interest rate and mutliply it by 1.4 to get your inflation.

>>64136471
Being an idiot on live television and still winning says a lot about his voter base and his opposition.

>>64134188
>ukraine can build missiles themselves just fine
Absolutely, any country of that size could build something like that themselves
Hell, give any uni aircraft modelling club a blanco cheque and watch them build one while still claiming it's just a 1:1 model kek
I still think the localisation route is more probable because it seriously cuts down the testing time

First launches

>>64137569
They better start painting em pink

Guys, Ukraine’s constitution says they can’t give up territory. I guess the matter is settled, right?

>>64137574
good news

>>64137604
Based retards literally painted the wahreads pink? Lmao

>>64137604
So Russians will be getting rammed with pink warheads huh...

>>64137569
grandson
i am proud of you

>>64137603
yes, just like west germany never formally gave up its claim to east germany or how the US never recognized any of the USSR annexed countries.
if Trump was not a complete retard he would know that.

>>64137569
son
i am proud

>>64137569
based, based, based

>>64137604
what is that motor under the main body, is it used for launching only?

So if you compare to the V1:
>Mass: 2t vs 3t
>Warhead: 600kg vs 1100kg
>Range: 250km vs 3000km
>Speed: 640km/h vs 900km/h

it's very good but it can't be that hard to intercept with good AA right?

>>64137660
Dude, fucking flying lawn mowers strapped on with a several kg's of explosive have been blowing up oil refineries for years already, if those get through some of these missiles with far more devastating payload will get through as well.

>>64137654
An obvious solid fuel rocket booster

>>64137660
>it's very good but it can't be that hard to intercept with good AA right?
Depends on what they attack with it (you can't cover everything with AA) and its flight path (it's hard to target shit which flies a low altitude)

>>64134397
AN-196 Лютий
It means "Fury" (in the gutteral HomoFascist tongue of Ukronazi Battle-Speech).

>>64134422
>NOOOOOO please don’t destroy India’s and China’s source of cheap oil

>>64136383
Yeah, this is the funniest thing to me. Guy literally burns all the cards he has (bar intelligence sharing) and then still behaves like it's mid-2022 and US hasn't gotten cold feet over supporting Ukraine properly, let alone cutting aid off.
I genuinely won't be surprised the entire European entourage is there not to act as Zelya's wingmen, but to tell him that they'll carry their own weight as far as Ukraine's concerned, to put it politely (especially with VdL and Macron there, there's no other reason for those two to participate).

>>64137660
Unfortunately russia doesn't have good AA.

>>64136383
>>64137706
Absurd takes, but you do you.

>>64137706
>hates China and the BRICS
>does everything to help russia come out as winner of the war

>>64134578
That's a reference to the Tu-141 "Swift"

>>64137733
No, god, no, the missile with get aids

>>64137756
Ukraine won the war three years ago by virtue of surviving the invasion. Since then the war has been about where the border will be. Stop moralizing this conflict like a child.
>oh no this could be perceived as a WIN for the BAD GUY
Who cares?

>>64137764
>Who cares?
White people, you wouldn't understand

>>64137764
>Stop moralizing this conflict
this is true. and why they shouldn't stop until my russian suicide folder hit 2k videos

>>64137781
See, nothing. You've got no argument. Nothing to substantiate your take.

>>64137764
NTA but it could potentially matter in a soft-power way. It could energize the Enemy's base. Give them enough morale boost to find ways and places to act up even more, kill more soft-target civvies, wreck more capital, fling more shit.
Imagine three more Houthi thorns in your sides

>>64134696
>Multiple anonymous geopolitical and military strategists from the US and EU
>shitposting on 4chan

>>64137764
>Who cares?
the Ukrainian people?
the people living in countries next to russia that could be invaded next?
the taiwanese people?
the south Korean people?

>Stop moralizing this conflict like a child.
and stop being a retard who don't understand that the US giving up on an ally and being ok with territorial concessions won't be a massive issue in the future.

The US NEVER did that in the cold war with the soviet states.
Even North Korea was never recognized by the US.

>>64137764
>russia has caused tens if not hundreds of billions in damage to Ukraine
>russia has kidnapped thousands of Ukranian children
>russia has killed and maimed tens of thousands of Ukranian civilians, including ones sheltering in cultural landmarks, and brags about it
>russia has commited multiple war crimes including blowing up dams and threatening to cause nuclear incidents at occupied power stations
>russia continues to conduct terrorist attacks against Ukranian civilians
>We should just give russia something so they go away
No.

>>64137786
No sane person will try to argue that white things are white and black things are black to a disingenuous dense retarded faggot like (you)

>>64137796
Ukraine is not an ally. Has never been an ally either. Yet we still spent ~$200B on them. So what does an *actual* ally have to fear when non-allys get that kind of treatment? Your argument fails in its totality.

>>64137801
>We should just give russia something so they go away
Are you going to make them go away? No? Okay, you're going to have to make a deal. Simple as.

Ukraine won the war. Going into a suicide pact to determine which part of the majority-Russian donbass the border will be is retarded.

>>64137786
NTA, but letting this kinda shit slide sounds like a sure fire way of ensuring it happens again
>oh, you wanna be a complete nigger, invade your neighbour, threaten to nuke the entire planet twice over, damage the world economy, break every contract, deal and pact you've signed in the last 30 years, murder civvies and constantly mess with other countries' politics? Yeah, sure, go ahead. We won't actually punish you for it. In fact, if you're a nigger for long enough, we'll even start giving you the stuff you want. As long as you pinky promise you stop being a nigger!
Cue the nigger acting like a nigger again shortly after because he was rewarded for it last time. Like, this has already happened. It's not the first russian chimp out. Every time we have let it slide it got worse. Surely you can see how someone might be unconvinced by your idea of
>lol, just let them have it anyway

>>64137764
Ukraine has "won" the war in the same way Finland did in 1939. Arguably even worse then that since the russians would be free to invade in a couple years down the line.
If Zelensky does what Trump asks of him, all he will have done is give russia time to rearm. No security guarantees, a big hole in their defensive lines, a economy in the shitter, all for a couple of useless blobs near Sumy and a russian "guarantee" that's already written in their constitution.

>>64137822
>Ukraine is not an ally
They fought for you in your sandnigger adventures, my melanin enriched friend

>>64137822
>suicide pact
14:1

>>64137831
>>lol, just let them have it anyway
Have what though? The bombed out mess in the Donbass that cost them a million men? And we get a free and independent Ukraine that can begin the process of European integration and will forever be a strategic thorn in Russias side? That's a phenomenal deal.

>>64137764
tempting frame but not quite right I think. putin doesn't want ukraine to join the EU or (even worse) NATO, so his goal is to tie ukraine down into a forever war it either eventually loses or at least can't actually finish. ukraine can't sign a peace treaty because it knows russia will immediately break it to keep the fight going and russia has no interest in peace since it wants to keep the fight going. ukraine's victory condition is russia running out of steam to prosecute the full scale of the war and have to scale back to terrorist actions in the disputed territories which is still quite a long time off

as long as ukraine is an active war zone it can't make diplomatic progress towards integrating into the eurozone because as much as Europe wants ukraine, it wants to be at war even less. in the long run russia's objective is implausible, ukraine will join the eu one way or another, but for now putin is 'winning' with this retarded delaying tactic. he's burning his country to the ground to do it but since his only goal is to stop ukraine then he's technically succeeding.

>>64137839
BRICS ETERNALLY BTFO
MULTIPOLAR SHILLS STILL ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>64137844
I totally disagree. His goal was clearly and obviously to do regime change and create a Belorussia 2.0. Now he is stuck in a quagmire and is looking for an exit that will allow him to save face and survive what will come next in Russia. Hence, their war goals are the """"liberation"""" of the Russian-majority Donbass oblasts.
>meaningless as no one lives there anymore

>>64137839
>>64137858
fake news btw in reality it was only 13:1

>>64134821
>They know you can't defeat Russia
Sorry, honourable Pidor-san, you were saying? I could nor hear you over the sound of your sinking fleet.

>>64137863
>Donetsk 56.9% Ukranian
>Luhansk 58% Ukranian
>Zaporizhzhia 70.8% Ukranian
>Kherson 82% Ukranian
None of those areas have russian majorities.

>>64137863
That was the objective on day 1 but as soon as they tripped over their shoelaces the new objective was what i said. the point of the regime change was to curtail nato 'expansion' (bullshit meme putin dreamt up in his schizophrenic mind, all he had to do was wait 2 years and ukraine would be free for the taking)

>>64135189
>>64134886
Generally not a fan of slave labor, but there's something particularly grim about being worked to death specifically to build a weapon intended to bomb the people who are currently doing their best to free you. Or their civilian populations, more precisely.

>>64137889
From a russian point of view, "ukrainians" don't exist as a separate ethnicity, they are just russians whom were "led astray" by western propaganda.

>>64137898
There's a reason so many of the munitions built in labor camps had anomalously high dud rates.

>>64137903
Objective reality and the Ukranians tend to be at odds with the russian perspective.

>>64134796
Which Megacorp is going to paperclip her after the war

>>64137918
She isn't some economic genius or anything, she's just a basic competent economist

>>64137889
the """""" was supposed to be at the end of the sentence.
>""""liberation of the Russian-majority Donbass oblasts""""

>>64137918
None, she's not doing anything magical. She's doing things which only central banks can do in the short term that ultimately end with severe economic instability or outright collapse. She knows what she's doing is going to make the 90s look like a mild recession. She can't get off the ride either.

>>64135351
Yesterday it was said that EU membership would be a security guarantee in of itself when Zelensky was in Brussels

>>64135351
>Trump can't be trusted
How can he not be trusted? He's doing exactly what he said he would.

>>64137843
>The bombed out mess in the Donbass that cost them a million men
Yes. That.
You're seeing it from the perspective of someone who cares about how much it costs, someone who cares about whether what you win is worth the price, physically. Pragmatically.
But what if you're an autocratic leader who does not give a shit about the lives of the people who live in your country? What if you don't care about the economic value of the land you get because you already have everything money can buy, and you only care about, say, the prestige? Maybe you want to be remembered as the great leader who reunified the homeland. Or the last great emperor. Maybe you're doing it to create an external enemy to focus public opinion on. Maybe you just want banan.
From that perspective, what you propose is an implicit concession. What I think should be done, instead, is create a situation in which no matter whether you're a logical and reasonable leader, or an old man desperately looking for a way to get his name in the history books. The outcome is that your teeth get kicked in and what you try to take is denied. Your idea only works to discourage reasonable leaders. But unreasonable autocrats with powerful propaganda machines exist, and you can't just ignore them.

I know you might see someone sending hundreds of thousands to die for banan as absurd, but you're talking about people. Country leaders are people (very powerful people), vulnerable to retarded desires just as much as any of us. In fact, I'd argue much more vulnerable than the average man.

>>64135185
...for a about 2 weeks until the krauts heard about it and rigged the V1s to explode if they overturned.
Comically, the very first prototype version of this self-destruct system involved literally just attaching mines to the wings.

>>64137739
>Absurd takes
How so?

>>64138154
He can't say, he's just here to defend Trump.

>>64136115
>Bunny Ears
Is this some weird auto-translate thing? Some kind of slang that I've never heard of, or have the Ukrainians unleashed the bunny girls?

>>64138325
Oh, I remember seeing that. Never considered it looking like bunny ears, thanks anon

>>64138325
This was a good mask off moment for many BROSINT accounts, everyone was explaining how it was the OPERATIONL BREAKTHROUGH that marks the end of the war!11

>>64138487
Everything has been like that. Remember the following things that spelled the end of Ukraine?
>Third Army
>Fall of Pisky
>Fall of Bakhmut
>Second Kharkiv offensive
>Second Sumy offensive
>Third Sumy offensive
And these are just the ones that actually happened. How about all the insane bullshit the sock puppets gloated about? My most recent favorites have been "1000 shaheeds a day" and "naval invasion of Kherson".

>>64134506
>. Which means no strikes to oil extraction and transport.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250818-ukrainian-attack-halts-russian-crude-oil-flows-to-hungary-and-slovakia

>>64137654
Yes, if you look at >>64137569's webm you can see the rocket engine separating at around 11seconds in.

>>64137756
> without a fight
anon ...

>>64138876
Yes, that's part of the thing that they demand from Ukraine: leave the region which they control and give it away to russia without russia having to fight for it.

>>64134212
be Milanion Group
literally who.jpg
UK-based "defense innovation" startup, which in arms dealer speak means “we ordered Alibaba drones and slapped a Union Jack on the box”

2020s
decide to break into the market by selling “unmanned swarm systems”
basically RC cars with a GoPro duct-taped on, marketed as “AI-enabled autonomous warfighters”
no one buys them
except a Gulf prince who thought they were for racing camels

2022
Ukraine war kicks off
every arms company smells money like a dog in heat
Milanion shows up at arms expos screaming “WE HAVE DRONES TOO GUYS”

their catalog:

plastic quadcopters painted tan
a Toyota pickup with a metal box on the back called a “mobile mortar solution”
a kayak with rails welded on marketed as “coastal defense platform”
promotional video literally shows an RPG zip-tied to a DJI

Ukraine: “pls send HIMARS”
Milanion: “we have canoe with rockets”

their flagship: “AGEMA” unmanned ground vehicle
basically a lawnmower with a PKM bolted on top
brochure calls it “battlefield dominance through autonomy”
in reality can barely drive over a curb

still somehow lands contracts
because war is free marketing
and western defense expos will cheerfully clap for anything with the words “AI,” “autonomous,” or “swarm”

2023
Milanion proudly announces partnership to provide “state-of-the-art solutions” to Ukraine
pictures leak
it’s literally a golf cart in camouflage netting with a machine gun stand

tfw Ukrainian trench rats prefer duct-taped FPV drones from volunteers
tfw Milanion still gets photo ops with generals because “British company” sounds more serious than “Mykola’s Drone Shack”

>>64138885
> Ukraine: leave the region which they control
> which they control

>>64138922
Noice mappie zoomies faggot

>>64138922
zoom out

>>64138922
>Not pictured: two cities the size of Bahkmut and their surrounding suburbs that the Russians are absolutely dreading having to fight though, hence why Putin "graciously" offered a ceasefire in exchange for Ukraine giving up their holdings in Donetsk Oblast.

>>64138899
The model designation (the FP prefix) kinda implies it's actually a product from Fire Point LLC, which is a local ukie company. So it's probably some weird "ukies design it, foreigners finance it" type of deal.

>>64138946
there's nothing to imply, that was already posted in local ukrainian media

>>64138934
>>64138934
also i can't believe it's almost been three years since avdiivka

>>64138972
> it's almost been three years since avdiivka
> Battle of Avdiivka 10 October 2023 – 17 February 2024
marge?

>>64138922
are you a retard or a russian shill?
Donesk is barely half taken and yet the russian demand all of it.
you'd have to be insane to accept this.

the russians will be eating rats next year so Ukraine should definitely hold and focus on defense and long range strikes.

>>64138977
damn i thought they were there earlier since it was only a ballpark walk from donetsk main city

>Ziggers mapposting where the 2022 line is still visible
How are they not embarrassed by this lmao

>>64138997
why so russophobic?

>>64138986
> Donesk is barely half taken

> As of early August, Ukraine retained control over about 6,500km2, or roughly 25% of Donetsk Oblast.

>>64134244
>And who are the people behind the company?
probably tiny hat wearers
i wouldn't worry about it though

>>64138997
>2022
you are being too generous

>>64138999
Another phrase the russians should feel ashamed of appropriating from the gays lol

technically the russian army only took 1/3... didn't they?
or are you saying the DPR was not a real independant state?

doesn't matter anyway, anything less than 99% is not worth talking about.

>>64134198
>but we have V1 at home
V1 at home

>>64137619
>Russians will be getting rammed with pink warheads
>>64137609
>Based retards literally painted the wahreads pink
Just the tip

>>64139023
>russians
>gays
What’s the difference?

>>64139157
Gays are usually open and honest about it.

>>64139157
Fags understand the concept of consent.

>>64139023
>>64139157
Lies, they are very based & trad and film gay porn in churces, with students of the religious academy being involved

>>64138325
There was a time when brown people tried to appropriate the special Pokrovsk snail to "own" people who had made fun of the snail's pace of russia's progress in Ukraine.
Of course, all of it is already memoryholed.

>>64139338
why are they like this? why is it them with the most fucked up gay shit?

>>64139522
You know how people say that in Rome there was no straight and gay, just top and bottom?
They operate on the same idea. I've seen it likened to prison rules. There's power in raping a weaker man and shaming them, there's shame in being the victim.

>>64137796
>the south Korean people?
rest I get but korea will steam roll kim jong fats hermit kingdom harder then israel gaped iran. its not even funny

dont get this gross overhyping of Shiteas capacities. they might be a powerhouse compared to pozzia yet are so far behind korea in every possible scale its not even funny

>>64135704
The problem any admin has going forwards is that one party that's in power about half the time has now clearly demonstrated it's fine with not just abruptly changing strategy and direction, but outright refusing to honour anything previously signed it now decides it doesn't like.
The US has more influence capital to burn than most in account of the size of the economy, role in global trade, size of military and existing long-term relationships but that doesn't last forever.
I think the current admin has made the critical mistake of seeing people playing nice while looking for and setting up an exit strategy for countries 'finally respecting' them.
The American international reputation was hardly spotless before, but now there's going to be a lot less friends turning up when they next ring the bullshit war alarm.

I honestly don't even understand the play. Isolationism is a lie, it just means you don't get a vote in shit that's going to impact you, and the modern US simply isn't built for it anyway.

>>64140164
I think Korea has enough friends in case that happens even if the US isn't interested. The Australian Navy is now buying Japanese boats, now we just need the JSDF to come to South Korea's rescue to complete the most absurd arc of modern history.

>>64140165
despite all its faults america is still far, far better alternative to any of its "competitors" (if you can even call them that). Regional allies growing more independent in decision making and more reserved regarding US? absolutely. Outside US directly attacking any of its allies breaking the bonds is far, far harder then simply one orange retard. There is too much to gain from safe commercial trade on the world oceans, stable financial system and the technological superiority

and I will never stop reminding people overwhelming majority of americans dont like neither vatniks or changs. Especially their tzar/emperors. This does not mean americans like the idea of going war against them but that does not mean they think they should be buddie-buddies with them, while shitting on the real american friends. Donnie is actually somewhat damaging his own domestic mandate by continuing to swim against the tides. Something your standard politician wont absolutely do when the numbers are so black and white

>>64140175
korea does not even need that much help. its an absolute industrial militarized powerhouse with westernized air force. latter alone is enough to crush any artillery-on-seoul larp kims propaganda likes to brag about. Also unlike your typical undermanned "professional army" (mercenaries), it has conscription based reserve training. So they can rapidly bulk up in war time ballooning into an mass army.

only reason they are not a nuclear power yet is simply because to get along with america. otherwise they, like japan, are mere months away from becoming one

>>64140208
Yeah to be fair I don't mean the US is going to collapse overnight or anything, and I do respect that the US people are probably a better friend than the US government currently is.
It's just that it's going to be a severely diminished standing, people want to trust the US but consistency is kinga, so is honouring agreements.
When the current Australian government took over they stopped the last one's attempts to litigate the sub contract with France, paid out the exit compensation and basically sent an apology hamper to Macron's door because doing what you said you would is everything in maintaining good relationships.
France probably wasn't going to kick out the Australian ambassador over it or anything, but worse handling would be factored into any future engagements.
On the plus side, like you said, US allies are starting to remember that they get a vote of their own. Zelensky bringing the whole squad with him to the talks in DC today is unprecedented stuff. For all their faults, Europe is finding the spine that got yanked out back in the 40's.

a child was gravely hit during the strike tonight. I can hear his mother wailing in pain and anger somewhere down the street
t. odessite

>>64140233
True, don't take that as me talking shit about South Korea. It's just always good to have as many friends as you can when the shooting starts. Even if they don't need additional boots on the ground I doubt they'd complain about the JMSDF, RAN or whatever Taiwan's navy is called keeping supply lines open and flowing.

>>64134796
I want to play a video game about the blackrock kill team they send in to get her out

>>64140314
Only if that game gives her a hot daughter.

>>64137660
You forgot the most important difference which is that the ukie V1 has precision guidance

>>64138325
>Ze bunny ears have been cut off and put into ze cauldron
New ass in ass just dropped

>>64134791
Why don't they load a zenit up with cluster munitions and send it east?

>>64140583
Is this the actual first cauldron?

>>64135261
wtf pope francis

>>64137569
>>64137604
Boy I hope we see their launches like we did ATACMS from time to time and not just vanish and never be mentioned again. The whole war depends on these things being launched at air fields

>>64134006 (OP)
How far into Russia can 3000km reach?

>>64141113
A little bit past Omsk, almost where Mongolia starts. So roughly 1/3 of all Russian territory is reachable

>>64141106
> The whole war depends on these things being launched at air fields
Cruise missiles are useless against airfields

>>64141192
They are extremely useful

>>64141222
At doing what to airfields?

>>64135948
>A ton of retards in russia don't think about inflation in terms of how it actually works.
Yeah imagine people in your country not understanding how inflation works, couldn't be me.

>>64141262
Making them useless

>>64135261
He'll be "spotted" in different parts of the world now, just like Elvis.

>>64134506
Because fico and orban aren’t globohomo/elite/EUSSR cucks
And long may it stay that way

>>64134006 (OP)
Txt

>>64135260
It's kind of amazing that they are actually achieving the goal of recreating the Soviet Union in Russia, it's just that it's the Soviet Union of the late 80's instead of the early 60's.

>>64141874
>so mad he came back 3 days later

>>64136540
Is 25% inflation bad?
It sounds bad.

>>64136115
>Equipment Losses
>103x Motorcycles, ATVs and Cars

They've lost the entire Red Bull Rally!

>>64140896
They encircled Mariupol early in the war, but I don't know about any else.

>>64142083
If it is a one time spike, it's bad but survivable.
If it goes out of control and persists, it can crash an economy.
Russia is drifting toward the latter, with a side of governmment insolvency and a sprinkle of bank runs.

>>64142093
>They've lost the entire Red Bull Rally!

>>64142267
Eh, that was more of a prolonged siege

>>64134874
I am seething because I want to see Hrim-2/Sapson/Grom footage.

>>64143829
It'll be similar to any TBM, really not interesting and unless there's a drone recording the target or a CCTV camera nobody would record it.

>>64143886
but what if they filled the warhead with Tabun?

>>64134426
errrmmm actually the meteor also could

>>64134475
everyone already knows ukraine is targeting russian oil production, nobody knew if iran was going to blockade the straight of hourmouz which would have been 70s oil crisis tier

>>64140165
>refusing to honour anything previously signed
Nigger this started with obama not honoring Budapest Memorandum on Security Asurannces.

>>64145230
Yes, and when this retardation started to finally be solved the other team decided to cosplay a DVD soldier and break a glass vodka bottle on its forehead

>>64134791
Antares 100 and 200 first stage too, not the engines tho.
However there are some NK-33s not being used rn....

>>64145230
Well to be more specific, it started with Russia correctly guessing that if it could pull it off fast enough nobody would be able to rally the political or material support in time to do anything about it.
But yes, I also think that the Obama admin should've done more and done it sooner.
Don't mistake me giving the current admin shit for its disastrous handling of relations as excusing prior fuckups from prior admins, we'd just be here all week if every complaint had to be matched to a complaint about every government before.

Well, it seems the retards launched a Shahed and it exploded well inside Polish territory.

>>64147513
well it's not the first one isn't it?
and nothing came out of it so meh

>>64141268
It's a combination of the state lying for 20 years, painting the situation as less bad than it actually is, with a dose of post-soviet shit of "business man bad" shit.

>>64134160
As long as they still make their 4Runners as reliable as they have been I see this as a win.

>>64134198
>>it doesn't look similar enough
>Consider picrel of FP-5 scale model at IDEX 2025

That's a very old-school but reliable way strapping an engine to a missile. Consider Tupolev Tu-141 "Strizh" a missile meant to fly over the enemy and take pictures with FILM of all things. This is from the 70s.

also iirc the soviets also had an AShM with the same strapped engine design, except it was much larger. I think it's the one that Indians copied.

>>64134212
>>64138899
>>64134126
I've checked what I can find and it seems like a scam run by some jeet in the UAE. If anything it's more likely they're buying missiles from the Ukrainians to whitelabel than the other way around, I don't see any evidence of this company having a serious engineering team behind it.

>>64134371
UAE is not where you go if you actually want to develop anything, it's where you go if you want to scam Arab sheikhs out of a lot of money with mock-ups and power points.

As >>64136618 very succinctly puts it, this is the kind of thing any serious university can build. Ukraine has a massive arms industry and they've been in the missile business since forever, I don't see how some UAE vaporware scam company that amounts to some renders and a glorified PO box would have anything meaningful to contribute here.

>>64135704
>>64140165
I legit can't tell the difference between well poisoning ziggers and seething troons anymore but I think this is just ziggerish.

>>64150409
Fire Point is the original manufacturer, hence the designation FP-5 of the missile. The UAE company is probably just a way to get investments and/or sell it for exports, no?

>>64137922
>>64137937
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed woman will be pushed out of a window because it turns out that's all Putin knows how to do

>>64145903
>we'd just be here all week if ...
... he posts almost a week into the thread.

>>64158521
It was a threat.