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Anonymous No.64141815 >>64141825 >>64141827 >>64141829 >>64141989 >>64141994 >>64142009 >>64142101 >>64142369 >>64142392 >>64142415 >>64142486 >>64144083 >>64148923 >>64151934 >>64152008 >>64152246 >>64152268 >>64152442 >>64152503 >>64152524 >>64155424 >>64155527 >>64155528 >>64156127 >>64156368 >>64158525 >>64158592 >>64158645 >>64161187 >>64165974 >>64166042 >>64167422 >>64168237 >>64168901 >>64171403 >>64174202 >>64174247 >>64174455 >>64178797 >>64182269
How do you fucking survive nuclear war
Anonymous No.64141819 >>64162960
Don’t be in the line of fire, don’t get irritated, and don’t starve. Simple as
Anonymous No.64141825
>>64141815 (OP)
By not playing. I thought everyone figured that out by now.
Anonymous No.64141827
>>64141815 (OP)
You can't
Anonymous No.64141829 >>64141845 >>64158459
>>64141815 (OP)
Live remote enough to ignore direct effects, have food, water and energy independance, stock up on meds.
Anonymous No.64141832 >>64141844
slowly expose yourself to minor nuclear radiation over several years, ensuring you build up an immunity
Anonymous No.64141835
By not being russian.
Anonymous No.64141844 >>64141879 >>64142211 >>64158461
>>64141832
Can you really build up immunity to ionizing radiation? How do I get low dose? Do I just get a chest x ray every day? I dont have enough money
Anonymous No.64141845 >>64141889 >>64141949 >>64142004 >>64166035 >>64167373
>>64141829
>have a specific case of asthma that requires daily steroids to keep my larynx from trying to strangle me
>the medicine is at best shelf-stable up to 1 year

Yeah no thanks I'm walking into the mushroom cloud
Anonymous No.64141879 >>64161592
>>64141844
start off by pressing your face up against an old shitty microwave when it's on, any chance you get
Anonymous No.64141889 >>64158465
>>64141845
Meth keeps forever and works (with meth related sidde effects) so worse case you can be a junky that can breath.
Anonymous No.64141949
>>64141845
>the medicine is at best shelf-stable up to 1 year
Unironically a lie perpetuated by big pharma
Anonymous No.64141989 >>64142053
>>64141815 (OP)
https://ia902306.us.archive.org/19/items/NuclearWarSurvivalSkills_201405/nwss.pdf
Anonymous No.64141994 >>64142483
>>64141815 (OP)
Innabunker with some frens
Anonymous No.64142004
>>64141845
Asthma is a made up disease. Eat better and exercise
Anonymous No.64142009 >>64142056 >>64142073 >>64142128 >>64155124 >>64158483 >>64161592 >>64173368 >>64175987
>>64141815 (OP)
>How do you fucking survive nuclear war
depends
are we talking
>few tactical nukes
>or multiple tsar bomba level nukes armageddon?

radioactive fallout is a big nothingburger with modern h-bombs
nuclear winter is not...

assuming you are not in the blast radius

you need to mainly plan for global food shortages and shutdown of complex infrastructure (gas, electricity, oil, internet, maybe water but it's mostly decentralized so good chance it'll still work)
so homesteading but planned for temperatures 5-10Β°C below what you currently have
carbs are easier to grow and probably just will increase in price
vegetables and fruits will have massive shortages

it's mostly just prepping 101
the easy stuff
>own groundwater well and filter
>solar + battery + generator
>heat pump + wood stove (and wood source) for reliable heat
>basic medical stuff like disinfectant & broad-spectrum antibiotics for ~10y
the harder / expensive stuff
>~100sqm greenhouse per person in your household + chickens / pigs
>storage for dried grain / legumes for 1y+

estimates have around ~2billion dead in a bad nuclear winter
Anonymous No.64142053 >>64142255 >>64166055
>>64141989
>https://ia902306.us.archive.org/19/items/NuclearWarSurvivalSkills_201405/nwss.pdf
that's horribly outdated
even the survival parts

e.g. something like a groundwater well with solar panels can work for 25y+ without interventions / servicing / repairs, making water collection obsolete

>https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
is an actual good simulation of fallouts of modern bombs if you want to know how much would be affected

shelters are useless beyond air blast protection
when indoors and away from windows
the border between "burned alive and nothing will safe you" and "completely fine" is just a few kilometers
Anonymous No.64142056 >>64142189 >>64161183
>>64142009
>fallout is a big nothingburger with modern h-bombs
You have no understanding whatsoever of how nuclear weapons work if you think hydrogen bombs do not produce radioactive fallout. The rest of your post is probably equally retarded
Anonymous No.64142073 >>64142189
>>64142009
>radioactive fallout is a big nothingburger with modern h-bombs
retard nigger. kill yourself immediately
Anonymous No.64142101 >>64142483
>>64141815 (OP)
Don't live in a city, nobody is going to nuke a forest.
Anonymous No.64142128 >>64142189
>>64142009
>medical supplies for 10 years
Try for the next few generations
>forgets iodine
Asthmaguy won't be the only one with a sore throat
>mainly plan for food shortages and shutdown of industry
My man, you'd need to plan for Purge-levels of anarchy and insanity. That is if you'd want to survive at all with how fucked things would be after every system of civilization collapses, not because of the nukes, but because of the disaster levels of people in need
Anonymous No.64142189 >>64152144 >>64152250 >>64152254
>>64142128
>iodine
only helps against I-131
which isn't produced much with nukes
that's mainly (not exclusively though) a problem for NPPs

>Try for the next few generations
"collapse of society" is not a realistic scenario
but massive shortages of everything are
also impossible, all things sterile have a shelf life

>Purge-levels of anarchy and insanity
kek
absolutely not (at least not in any industrialized country)
that's just a fantasy from your wet dreams, not a realistic scenario

>>64142056
>>64142073
>t. gathered knowledge from movies

>hydrogen bombs do not produce radioactive fallout
where exactly did I wrote that??
the fallout is just mostly irrelevant in any realistic scenario
Anonymous No.64142211
>>64141844
Go break open a smoke detector and eat the sensor. They give off alpha radiation which is essentially harmless but will let your body build up an immunity to other forms of radiation.
Anonymous No.64142255 >>64142350 >>64156180
>>64142053
I asked an AI how fast wells recharge and it said it depends on rain and how permeable the soil is. Also, building a well is a big effort. I think you're putting too many eggs into the well basket.
Anonymous No.64142268
I don't want to survive nuclear war. In fact, I want to get vaporized in the first strike, sleeping in my bed.
Anonymous No.64142350 >>64156377 >>64175993
>>64142255
>how fast wells recharge
recharge???

I have a well for my house and garden, it taps into groundwater and is ~22m deep (because I wanted it not because it's necessary, groundwater levels in my region are really high)
I can take out >1m3 per hour sustainably, so without risking lowering the groundwater level locally

though I live in the Upper Rhine Plain
which is really advantageous for the amount of water available

>building a well is a big effort
you should build it now, not after nuclear war happened
Anonymous No.64142369 >>64142442
>>64141815 (OP)
how long do I wait until I can leave, assuming the worst case?
Anonymous No.64142392
>>64141815 (OP)
>bro you have to survive so you can live in a post collapse shithole
Just let me die instantly in the first wave of nukes
Anonymous No.64142415 >>64142445
>>64141815 (OP)
Nothing ever happens
Anonymous No.64142442 >>64166072 >>64174359
>>64142369
Well, considering worst case (best case is you die without ever knowing) is Total Civilization Death:

Stay in place, indoors, and underground. Do not breathe or come into contact with anything from the outside (rain or dust or particles).

Once the first few days (and rains) are over it should be safe to go outside, by which I mean you're going to die of starvation or a badly infected tooth long before the cancer any residual radioactivity could give you. By all means if you want to keep playing medieval-style peasant for the remaining years you have left, go for it, but I would recommend just going on a tourist hike, see some cool post-nuclear scenery, and call it a night with a good bottle of alcohol and a bullet.
Anonymous No.64142445 >>64143069
>>64142415
Things are constantly happening.
Anonymous No.64142483
>>64141994
>>64142101
this
if you don't get smoked by the blast the main danger will be Niggers pouring out from The Cities and getting force mixed with Niggers but Govt Disaster Relief goons.

It will be Katrina on 'roids. Para-military law enforcement and Martial Law only exists to keep innocent civilians vulnerable to lumpenprole thugs who are in fact the street enforcement arm of Govt.
Anonymous No.64142486
>>64141815 (OP)
Nook? Nook nook!
Again nigger? The only possible nuclear exchnage could (God willing) happen between India and Pakistan and you should pray for that unless you are some flavor of Jeet of course.
Anonymous No.64143069 >>64143121 >>64144074
>>64142445
wrong, name one thing that has ever mattered, pro tip: you cant
Anonymous No.64143104 >>64146633 >>64152597 >>64155963 >>64160615 >>64166072
>mfw i live 3km away from a massive radar station that is 100% going to have a nuke lobbed at it
Anonymous No.64143121
>>64143069
When 4chan was dead for weeks.
Anonymous No.64144074
>>64143069
When Ukraine got invaded
Anonymous No.64144083 >>64146223
>>64141815 (OP)
Wait 3 weeks inna hole/bunker for the radiation to subside to nominally safe if near/in a city.
If not than just keep up with the fucking wind direction
City slickers get fucking toasted
Anonymous No.64146223 >>64146265 >>64146281
>>64144083
What about the nuclear winter? Water seems the most immediate issue
Anonymous No.64146265
>>64146223
>What about the nuclear winter?
The evidence for nuclear winter is weak. There's a fair chance no such thing will happen, especially with the amount of warheads in play these days.
Even if it does, my house backs onto a river. I can chuck a hose down the bank and pump water up if I need to.
Anonymous No.64146273
depends on the nuclear war, but the basics:
>don't live near anything military
>don't live near anything of strategic importance
>stay indoors for 2 weeks if there's normal fallout
>don't eat or drink anything contaminated
>services will mostly all be down for a very long time, so you need to rely on your community or yourself to survive
if the enemy throws enhanced radiation devices at you and specifically induces fallout, you're mostly fucked

there'll probably be biological weapons thrown in, so...avoid people until you hear there's no 100% fatality rate vaccine resistant smallpox going around on the radio.
Anonymous No.64146281
>>64146223
>What about the nuclear winter?
nuclear winter will most likely just lower global temps by 5-10Β°C temporarily
few years immediately effects and positive feedback look through Ice–albedo likely up to 100y
but really depends on the model

biggest problem will be massive food scarcity

>Water seems the most immediate issue
why?
unless your infrastructure is within the blast radius
tap water will still flow
depends on the situation, but it's not unlikely electricity will collapse directly

these infrastructures are highly localized, especially water
and while ripple effect can happen, most nets have protections
Anonymous No.64146633 >>64152597 >>64155963
>>64143104
Same, except a major harbor adjacent to the regional core.
Anonymous No.64148923
>>64141815 (OP)
Drink enough Prussian Blue to turn yourself into a fucking smurf
Anonymous No.64151934
>>64141815 (OP)
not hard really. Just live in a concrete house far from any airforce base or military telecommunications site with a stockpile of essentials and weapons. After that, you just gotta wait a few weeks and hope shit isn't too fucked when you come out.
Anonymous No.64152008
>>64141815 (OP)
>nook thread
Ok, what's got india riled up this time
Anonymous No.64152144 >>64152172
>>64142189
>where exactly did I wrote that?
ESL thirdie please kill yourself for the sake of the planet.
Anyone darker than an Italian is infinitely worse for the planet than nukes
Anonymous No.64152172 >>64152344
>>64152144
You should kill yourself first.
Anonymous No.64152246
>>64141815 (OP)
here ya go
http://atlassurvivalshelters.com
>kino
Anonymous No.64152250 >>64168172
>>64142189
>realistic scenario
it is tho
Anonymous No.64152254 >>64168172
>>64142189
>fantasy
not really no
Anonymous No.64152268
>>64141815 (OP)

Don't die
Anonymous No.64152344 >>64152354
>>64152172
>no u
Anonymous No.64152354
>>64152344
no u begets no u
Anonymous No.64152431
>Things look grim for Russia again
>Nookposting begins again
It's so tiresome sharing the internet with Russians, jeets and other assorted turdie trash
Anonymous No.64152442
>>64141815 (OP)
nuclear war can't kill you if you don't believe in it
Anonymous No.64152503 >>64152545 >>64168780
>>64141815 (OP)
You don't. If the nukes miss you, you do the most humane thing to yourself possible, you get a gun, put it against your head and pull the trigger. Trust me, the world post-nuclear war will not be worth living in. Forget about happiness, forget about leisure activities, leading a healthy life, every day will be a brutal struggle for survival, it will be a lot like Mad Max but without cars, petrol or firearms since everyone is gonna run out of ammo fighting each other for scraps of food and antibiotics really early on.
Anonymous No.64152524
>>64141815 (OP)
So, have a gas generator and some gas. But now that solar has come a long way, how much does a solar battery/generator run? How long until its batteries are fried out, the regular 5-10 years of regular use like a regular lithium ion?
Anonymous No.64152545 >>64152567
>>64152503
Oh my Science... I'd rather die than live in a world with no Funko Pop!s
Fuck Voldemort Putler!
Anonymous No.64152567 >>64152596
>>64152545
Forget about Funko Pops, think about no hot showers, no heating during winter, no antibiotics, no equipment to sterilize surgical tools, no modern comforts whatsoever, it's back to the 18th Century. By the way, no cancer treatments either. If the fallout gets to you, even if its just a little bit, it's over, it's agonizing death.
Anonymous No.64152596 >>64152612
>>64152567
>no hot showers
i like my showers as cold as possible
>no heating during winter
i have a fireplace and live in the deep south anyway
>no antibiotics, no equipment to sterilize surgical tools
do you think a nuclear war is going to instantly send everything back in time to the iron age or something
>no modern comforts whatsoever
i doubt this would be true for very long and virtually all of my ancestors lived in similar or worse conditions
>If the fallout gets to you, even if its just a little bit, it's over
lol
Anonymous No.64152597 >>64152601 >>64155963
>>64143104
>>64146633
I live like 2 kilometeres away from my capital niggers it's over
Anonymous No.64152601
>>64152597
from the center of the capital I should've specified
Anonymous No.64152612 >>64152654
>>64152596
No one cares that your snaggle-tooth mee-maw lived shittily in the south. You probably couldn't survive the day without six cans of coca cola.
Anonymous No.64152654
>>64152612
nigger i have spent most of my life living shittily in the south
Anonymous No.64155124
>>64142009
>radioactive fallout is a big nothingburger with modern h-bombs
Oh, someone who is actually not a retarded brown teenager ITT

>nuclear winter is not...
Oh wait, never mind.

To answer the question
1. Don't live somewhere where you instantly get vaporized
2. Have a cellar or something with enough room to store enough water, food, weapons & ammo to survive for a couple of weeks minimum, + you want it to be secure so you don't get shanked at night & so that the radiactive fallout doesn't blow in through shattered windows
That's it.
T-I-G-E-R-S No.64155424
>>64141815 (OP)
Stay out of Moscow and Pidorburg and You'll be fine
Anonymous No.64155527
>>64141815 (OP)
That's the neat part, you don't.
Anonymous No.64155528
>>64141815 (OP)
ryssia has no nukes
Anonymous No.64155963
>>64143104
>>64146633
>>64152597
I'm jelly anons, I'm 30km from a major city on one side and 15km from a naval base on the other side.
At least you due in the flash, I live long enough to really wish I hadn't.
Anonymous No.64156127
>>64141815 (OP)
Roll when death ticks.
Thats how ive survived everything so far.
Anonymous No.64156180
>>64142255
>I asked an AI
You're a fucking retard
Anonymous No.64156309 >>64156326
AI doesn't exist, he asked a LLM.
Anonymous No.64156326 >>64156359
>>64156309
AI has existed since before A* pathfinding in videogames, AGI is a meme used to con venture capitalists.
Anonymous No.64156359
>>64156326
AGI = AI. That's how it was. But now AI has been reduced to any shitty system, so they can sell you a smart phone with AI in it.
AGI is the meme term yes.
Anonymous No.64156368 >>64156378
>>64141815 (OP)
Anonymous No.64156377 >>64158058
>>64142350
>recharge???
That's the technical term for a well filling up.
Anonymous No.64156378
>>64156368
fpbp
Anonymous No.64158058 >>64158516
>>64156377
>That's the technical term for a well filling up.
yeah i (now) know
looked it up after I wrote the post
didn't make the connection that
>Grundwasserneubildung
(which I knew) in German is the translation of it
Anonymous No.64158437 >>64158453 >>64158475 >>64158497 >>64158672 >>64158885 >>64175875 >>64176361
> Army CBRN with over 10 years of experience and schooling in disaster response.

Long story short you don't want to. While these preppers wanna make it sound like you can live on the slop they sell in buckets the true reality is much more horrifying.

-Youve got roughly 15 to 30 minutes to make it to your shelter dependent on which part of the nuclear triad is used. Don't worry about picking up the kids from daycare. You wont make it back in time.
- We have enough stockpiled weapons to turn the world into a glowing pile of ash thousands of times over.
-Military sites would not be the only targets. Large cities and manufacturing would be primary targets as well.
-If your shelter is secured and able to withstand a ground impact strike locally, your air filtration system has to be up to par which most aren't. Most shelters wont survive for this to be an issue.
-If you make it to the survived part of a nuclear war congratulations its about to get a whole lot worse.
-Most people that have a food and water supply will burn through it rather quickly as they aren't prepared for the rationing required and the boredom that comes with waiting it out in a small space. Imagine the stink.
- Now you have to venture out to get food. Do most people now know how to hunt, fish, gather, or farm? Not really.
-Not to mention the fact that a lot of metal would be irradiated and still give off unhealthy levels of radiation for years to come. And what do Americans love to travel in? Cars. And they will be absolutely everywhere.
-Now lets get really goulish. You have a wife and children to care for. And you're just trying to survive. Commendable but ultimately futile. Because more than likely there will be bands of brigands and marauders around. And if you were prepared and made it this far but you get ambushed or seen its game over for you and something much more hellish waits for your wife and little suzy.
- The only thing keeping many sociopaths contained is the govt
Anonymous No.64158453 >>64176361
>>64158437
>Continued

-So in short if you know a nuclear strike is imminent the best thing you can do is light a cigar, pour some whiskey, and enjoy your last remaining time on Earth with loved ones and praying. It will be relatively painless especially if you're in a targeted city. You'll be literally flashed from existence.
Anonymous No.64158459
>>64141829
Most people are shit at farming anon.
Anonymous No.64158461
>>64141844
Buy uranium on amazon and rub it on you a lot.
Anonymous No.64158465
>>64141889
meth will at some point paralyze your lungs guess what happens next
Anonymous No.64158475
>>64158437
how about kill your wife and children pretending that you'll kill yourself afterwards, then horde all the resources
Anonymous No.64158483
>>64142009
>the harder...
anything past this is beyond 99.5% of people you see everyday
and you're a tard
read a book, preferably by Herman Kahn
Anonymous No.64158497
>>64158437
>Army CBRN
>is a melodramatic retard pontificating about a β€œthe road” type apocalypse
Everyone always hates working with you dipshits, fyi. Take a shower, smelly
Anonymous No.64158516 >>64158767
>>64158058
>Your German Word must have 30 letters, self contained alliteration, contain a previous version of said eventual word, and a verb
Anonymous No.64158525
>>64141815 (OP)
Literally nothing you do will matter. What if the happening happens while you're 1 mile closer to where a nuke is lobbed because of a traffic jam? Is it really worth orienting your entire life around never being near a strategic asset? Of course not.

99% of the super duper important targets people think will get hit won't rate a nuke. Russia and China don't have the capability the USSR (theoretically) had. Russia has a counter force doctrine so they'll mostly be targeted in bumfuck against our silos. China is believed to be counter value so it'll likely saturate cities like LA to do as much damage as possible to our population. It's suspected that their arsenal revamping efforts is so they can develop a legitimate counter force option but no one knows really. Even Russia is a wild card as they say one thing but do another.
Anonymous No.64158592
>>64141815 (OP)
I imagine you mean the aftermath, because aside from being far enough away to not be turned into lightly irradiated ash, there's not much to it.

If your centres of government and military control are just gone, turned into smoking craters, then survival defaults to the oldest strategy of having the most armed men, specialists, and the food to feed them. People are the new capital, and you'll need to reach out, find them in hiding, be a force for communal development and get in on the ground floor with whatever civilian authority you can find. The guys who can gather the most veterans, cops, doctors, pharmacists, electricians, plumbers, machinists, farmers etc. wins, but you're also going to need a whole lot of over-specialised office drones and middle management types as manpower to replace the automation you've lost.
Anonymous No.64158645
>>64141815 (OP)
Every GSM store stocks tons of power banks and portable solar batteries now. Every big box diy store offers big boy dolar panels. Electric bikes are so cheap Russia spams disposable mobiks on them. You can power most of electronics directly from 12V with minimal modification. The post-war energy shortage is pretty much a dead meme at this point.
Anonymous No.64158672 >>64158676 >>64165969
>>64158437
>Be me
>Live in the middle of nowhere
>The largest hydrogen bomb in currently in service in the world detonated above my house would kill roughly 5 people
>Have well
>Have solar
>Have septic
>Have more elk than people in my county
Sucks to be you, I guess. My only problem in a nuclear apocolypse will be making sure you rotting radiation zombies stay out. Good thing you'll all starve before you make it this far.
Anonymous No.64158676 >>64158915
>>64158672
Sorry dude I pooped in your well last night
Anonymous No.64158767 >>64158796
>>64158516
German Scrabble must be insane.
Anonymous No.64158796
>>64158767
eh
Anonymous No.64158885
>>64158437
>We have enough stockpiled weapons to turn the world into a glowing pile of ash thousands of times over.
No. We don't. The worldwide nuclear stockpile is 12-13,000 weapons. That's barely enough to hit the entirety of Europe. It's definitely not enough to glass the planet.
>-If your shelter is secured and able to withstand a ground impact strike locally, your air filtration system has to be up to par which most aren't. Most shelters wont survive for this to be an issue.
Most shelters don't need to withstand a direct ground strike. You think Russia/China/Israel is going to launch a ground strike at my irrelevant little suburb in New England? Fuck off.

These two points show such a flawed understanding of the topic that I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of the post.
Anonymous No.64158915 >>64165925 >>64174671
>>64158676
I used to think my well was so badass until I pulled a dead raccoon out of it. Would've died had I ever tried doing anything but watering my garden with it.
Anonymous No.64160615
>>64143104
>was totally fine until they graciously decided to build a submarine base right fucking across from my house
Anonymous No.64161143 >>64161173 >>64163277
ASSUMING
>youre not in the damaging radius
Very fucking low chance
>you are already at your house
Gery god damn low chance
>you are immediately aware and capable to react
Very, fucking low chance

If you already have solar of any capacity set up what you do is immediately fill every possible container with water. Tubs, sinks, buckets. Have water purif chemicals. Have a 3-4 week stockpile of canned/rte food. Are able to seal all doors and windows. Your fellow immediate homo spaiens aren't so dumb they'll fuck it all up. You have enough water capacity to supply 1-1.5 gallon per day per each person for 3-4 weeks (do the math on that - it isnt fun).
Assuming all of those things, you are able to let the most immediate high activity radionucleotides degrade and will be able to go outside to leave. No not to try and continue to live, to immediately and rapidly leave to whatever least irradiated area is closest.

You can't layer up clothes to shield from highly active radiation. Full body leaded protection coverage i.e. the stuff they put on you for x-rays isn't anywhere near enough either.

ASSUMING that even in a thousands-warhead, MIRV'd, even the small towns of less than 10k people get nuked, you're still able to have an intact shelter, you're fucking fucked. There's nothing you can do to prevent the drastically shortened lifespan. 3-4 weeks only provides enough time for the immediate half lives of the absolute nasty shit. 3-4 months emplaced would be ideal. You just can't do it.

If the bombs drop just convert to whatever base religion your culture was built on and pray that a God finds mercy for your past and treats you well.
Anonymous No.64161173
>>64161143
>Gery god damn low chance
Where do you think we are?
Anonymous No.64161183
>>64142056
Eh I can kind of get what he is saying. Its sort of unusual to have a ground detonation of a fusion or dual stage weapon, they are almost always airburst. And the only thing that controls fallout is detonation height not warhead type.
Anonymous No.64161187
>>64141815 (OP)
https://youtu.be/Q5-xnJCFgzY?si=wj4OPBnEOCCXs0Zv
Anonymous No.64161592 >>64161703
>>64141879
>Microwave oven
>Ionizing radiation
Naw. You'd have a better chance messing with halogen lamps and 50s CRTs if you want ionizing.
>>64142009
>Nuclear Winter
Propanganda lie by the Soviets, who knew the Allies would go at both jugulars (Moscow and Leningrad). Western leftists took the bait hook line and sinker. The collapse of the modern just-in-time logistics chain is where it would be shitty.
Anonymous No.64161703 >>64166072
>>64161592
>Propanganda lie by the Soviets
initially that's why it may (no one knows) was popularized
western universities researched with government grants on this as well
so at least NATO countries of this time thought it was realistic

though I wouldn't trust any of the research from the 1980s in that regard

but then there is
>Nuclear Winter revival era
>starting with new research in 2007
which was mainly about a India and Pakistan nuclear conflict
and it found a realistic ~1.25Β°C drop (sounds small but has a big impact) in global temperature over 10y

there's a bunch of other research in between
but starting 2021 there's a biggish NASEM study / project the atmospheric effects of nuclear war, some research of this is already published

but wherever you look
consistently, there IS a significant temperature drop
Anonymous No.64162960 >>64179841
>>64141819
I am already irritated.
Anonymous No.64163277 >>64165943 >>64167987
>>64161143
>ASSUMING
>>youre not in the damaging radius
>Very fucking low chance
Russia has a current total inventory of ~5500 warheads. Of these, >1000 are retired warheads awaiting dismantlement and ~1500 are tactical or defensive (e.g. ABM warheads). Of the <3000 warheads for strategic use, over half are currently in reserve but I'm happy to ignore that.
Not all of these warheads will work.
Most will be airbursts, producing very little fallout.
Even in a countervalue strike, many will be concentrated on military targets and some (primarily SLBMs) are likely to be held in reserve.
The most common weapon is the SS-27 Mod 2 / RS-24 (Yars) with an estimated yield of 100-200 kilotons, we'll go for the upper limit of 200kt. That's a 5 psi overpressure radius of 2.55 mi (~20mi^2) and a dangerous thermal radiation radius of 3.72 mi (43mi^2) although in reality the damaged area would be even less, large concrete buildings attenuate the blast. You could drop one of those on Soho and Harlem wouldn't suffer worse than broken windows (and rioting nigs).
Russia doesn't have enough warheads to hit every urban area in the US even once, never mind the places like NYC or LA which would require multiple strikes. And of course Russia is also going to have to strike targets across Europe and many of our military bases across the planet. They might even want to fling a number of missiles at the Three Gorges and Beijing to prevent their ''ally'' helping themselves to Siberia in the aftermath of our retaliatory strike.

The chance of being outside the damaging radius is potentially very high depending on where you live.

>>you are already at your house
>Gery god damn low chance
At least 8 hours a day, nigger.

>You have enough water capacity to supply 1-1.5 gallon per day per each person for 3-4 weeks (do the math on that - it isnt fun).
In most areas you will be safe to leave the shelter by 48 hours and by two weeks, even heavily irradiated areas will be relatively safe.
Anonymous No.64165925 >>64165979
>>64158915
How did it get in?
Anonymous No.64165943 >>64166016 >>64166397 >>64168817 >>64171889
>>64163277
Fallout-producing ground strikes will only really target military installations such as missile silos or reinforced underground facilities. Strategic infrastructure (major airports; railyards; ports & harbors; military manfacturing complexes) will be destroyed by airburst nukes which as you've said produce little fallout. Ironically you will have a higher chance of surviving fallout from a nuclear exchange in an east coast suburb rather than the midwest because that's where most attacks will be concentrated and will kick up huge clouds of inescapable radioactive dust.

Russian nuke doctrine is to defang American retaliatory capabilities first and foremost. Civilian population centers will not be targeted unless aforementioned strategic infrastructure is located there. In a limited nuclear exchange, most targets will be rural missile silos and bases and submarine bases. In an all out exchange you will see civilian infrastructure deliberately targeted if it can be used militarily.

The best way to survive a nuclear exchange is to simply bug out. If you live near a major commercial airport or military base, drive as far north-west as possible to escape the likely fallout area. Prepare a bugout kit and focus on tools required for building an expedient fallout shelter.
Anonymous No.64165969 >>64174671
>>64158672
Based living situation anon. What do you do for internet? Starlink?
Anonymous No.64165974
>>64141815 (OP)
Stay away from strategic targets. Attend my garden and raise chickens. Simple as.
Anonymous No.64165979
>>64165925
It wasn't capped. Was approximately 55 gallon barrel sized opening. Not sure how wells normally work but that's how they were in that neighborhood. Most people had theirs capped with a couple inch piece of concrete covering the opening. Mine was in a shed so it was demi protected.
Anonymous No.64166016
>>64165943
a 4ft deep slit trench covered horizontally with large timbers and 30 inches of soil is a good example of an expedient shelter. it would provide better protection from fallout, radioactivity, heat and blast damage than any conventional building or even a residential basement. it can also be expanded to the length of the timbers if radioactivity remains inhospitable after 3 days or so. it must use an air filter. some japanese people in nagasaki were able to survive 100 meters from the blast site by using a conventional dirt covered air raid shelter in their back yard
Anonymous No.64166035
>>64141845
>He actually believes the shelf stable listings

That's just how long the company guarantees they'll work, and is extremely conservative to protect them from lawsuits, anon. Inhaled steroids are one of the easier medicines to make and common besides, anyway. As long as society recovers somewhat within a few years, you'll be fine.
Anonymous No.64166042
>>64141815 (OP)
goose and sheet or something I dunno
Anonymous No.64166055
>>64142053
>Russia's largest ICBM wouldn't even be able to crater the entirety of my city's airport

lol
Anonymous No.64166072 >>64168282
>>64142442
Honestly it's exaggerated to go back to 1600s lifestyle. It'd go back to early to mid 20th century. That's not underselling the severity - we'd see probably half or more of the 8 billion alive today fucking dead - it's just not as salacious as full on medieval existence if you have coal powerplants and old great-granddad/granddad tier heavy iron technology. Look to how they live in real rustic parts of Latin america and it'd be like that for us if you remove the internet and phones and for a time electricity.

Also people acting like if you get the slightest scrape without antibiotics you get black death and die. It's not like that. Again, we had no commercial antibiotics until fucking WW2. Did your great grandparents or grandparents or great great grandparents die the minute they got a paper cut? No. They did have bacteriophages but only towards the tail end right before antibiotics.

>>64143104
I've always lived in the NYC to DC region, sometimes further south of DC but I ain't makin it scoobs put a fork in me I'm done.

>>64161703
Dumb question. Given the issues with temperatures rising might a modest 1-3C drop actually prove beneficial in a way?
Anonymous No.64166397 >>64167692 >>64168220
>>64165943
>Russian nuke doctrine is to defang American retaliatory capabilities first and foremost. Civilian population centers will not be targeted unless aforementioned strategic infrastructure is located there.
Got any evidence to back that up?
Anonymous No.64167373
>>64141845
Be me, have horrific asthma.
Stop eating any processed foods.
Simple meat and a few veg
No more soft drink

Asthma goes away. Stop taking meds
Lung test last year, no sign of asthma

It's an allergic reaction anon. Stop the cause and it goes away
Radovan Karadzic !!W1vfOJLo4qR No.64167422
>>64141815 (OP)
NBC gear, stockpiled food, and an underground or some other radiation resistant shelter.

If you have land out in the county (much like myself) you're pretty alright even if you don't live there since a nuclear war wouldn't happen out of nowhere, tensions would rise and you would have some time to go innacountry. The world would be pretty fucked afterwards, and knowing how to decon yourself and things like water (which is kinda impossible, but you can cut down on rads exposed) is really important. Also get a geiger counter, even the cheap ones work good for detecting even Alpha if you take the lead shield off it. I'm kinda a nuclear-war autist because of fallout so I would know how to survive for at least a couple of minutes after
Anonymous No.64167692 >>64167917
>>64166397
Anonymous No.64167917
>>64167692
Not sure I'd be putting a lot of faith in a single, off-hand comment in a book written 4 years before Russia existed.
Anonymous No.64167962 >>64171862
Take your NATO brush and simply brush off the nuclear fallout then continue towards your target.
At least that was what they told us in the army.
Anonymous No.64167987 >>64168105 >>64168458 >>64173738
>>64163277
>8 hours a day, NIGGUH!
What in the god damn hell makes you think a full nuke launch wouldn't happen when most people are up and away from their domiciles?
Yeah "Enemy A" is just going to graciously pick dead of midnight, mountain standard time.

Fuck no, it's going to be 3PM Eastern, Noon in California, good god damn luck.

Everything else you said is provisional, with one condition of mine:
3000 150KT bombs aren't enough to gutfuck most people? Are you insane? A bomb 1/10th that power functionally obliterated half of a city back in 1945. 3000 of them is enough to meaningfully target every meaningfully populated are of the US, and yes this includes your pop. 1200 farming county. The farms are equally as targeted as the mil bases in a full MAD, for obvious reasons.
Anonymous No.64168105
>>64167987
LMAO. You can't even say nigger when you're quoting a dude. What a pussy.
Anonymous No.64168172
>>64152250
>>64152254
Fed
Anonymous No.64168220 >>64168458
>>64166397
That's just basic counterforce strategy. You only go with countervalue I'd you don't have enough nukes to credibly attack an adversary's arsenal, C3 and military infrastructure.
That said, it's not really a binary in the real world unless one side's arsenal is greatly disproportionate.
For dense target nations like the UK and China it's distinction without difference since most of the targets are in their major population centers or very close by.
Anonymous No.64168237 >>64171426
>>64141815 (OP)
If you are within 25 miles of a strike, just kill yourself and save the stress. If you are in an considerably safe area, immediately start filling your bathtub with water (more reason to keep your tub clean you disgusting faggot), or just have like 50 gallons of water saved somewhere. Immediately shut off any air conditioning you have. Immediately tape and vents and door frames where particals may enter. Buy a cheap radiation detector that measures microsieverts per hour, buy enough foor for 3 weeks, preferably own a CBRN mask with emphasis on the N. But shit loads of duct tape and gloves. If you were outside when it happened, you're wearing the darkest sunglasses you can find for the next 72 hours or you might lose your retinas, go home and take a shower and scrub as hard as you can, throw the clothes you have on into a trash bag and keep in your garage.

Essentially the goal is to start inside for 3 weeks, then you're good to go outside. When they hit, go to the lowest point in your home with the most cement and lay low.

Most modern nukes don't cause significant amounts of fallout, so you're not locked away for months or years, 3 weeks is basically the upper limit.
Anonymous No.64168282 >>64170005
>>64166072
>Given the issues with temperatures rising might a modest 1-3C drop actually prove beneficial in a way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

>0.4–0.7 Β°C
>from a volcanic eruption

Lead to crop failures across the world. Probably killed a million people worldwide in 1816. If it happened today. tens of millions of people would starve. If you got a modest (fucking lol) 1-3 degree drop, hundreds of millions dead, maybe even billions depending on how bad india starves, even before wondering if they're involved in the nuking.

Sudden global cooling is just as bad as sudden global warming. People starve.
Anonymous No.64168458 >>64168826
>>64168220
>You only go with countervalue I'd you don't have enough nukes to credibly attack an adversary's arsenal, C3 and military infrastructure.
And no one can credibly threaten our arsenal or C3 infrastructure.

14 Ohio SSBNs = 280 Trident IIs = 1120 W76-1s (90-kt each) or W88s (455-kt each)

Unless Russia has come up with a way of wiping out our submarine force, they have no way of preventing a second strike that would knock their entire country back into the stone age. A counterforce strike in that case is simply wasting nukes.

>>64167987
>3000 150KT bombs aren't enough to gutfuck most people? Are you insane? A bomb 1/10th that power functionally obliterated half of a city back in 1945. 3000 of them is enough to meaningfully target every meaningfully populated are of the US
No. It's not. Hop onto google maps and take a look at how little space a 2.55 mi radius circle covers. That's the moderate damage radius for a 200 kt bomb. It's not a lot.
I live in the suburbs of a major city. They could nuke the cbd, the port and the airport, and I'd only be within the light damage radius. They'd shatter some windows (although, frankly, the security film I've got might hold up to 1-2 psi overpressure) and blow off some roof tiles but nothing more.

>Fuck no, it's going to be 3PM Eastern, Noon in California, good god damn luck.
If you think the timing of a nuclear strike is going to be dictated by anything as prosaic as the time of day then I'm just going to call you a nigger again.
And even if they were, I'd suggest launching a strike when your opponents senior civilian and military leadership are most likely to be sitting in their offices and ready to respond promptly is probably not what you want to do.
Anonymous No.64168780 >>64176078
>>64152503
I honestly believe that a nuclear war will cause more casualties due to the mass suicides of people convinced that it's the end of the world than due to the actual blastwaves.
Anonymous No.64168817
>>64165943
I'm very concerned about radiation right now and most scared of the mighty russian bear
Anonymous No.64168826
>>64168458
>And even if they were, I'd suggest launching a strike when your opponents senior civilian and military leadership are most likely to be sitting in their offices and ready to respond promptly is probably not what you want to do.
I never really thought about it before, but now that I think about it every nuke war scenario or fiction I've read has it happening in the middle of the day, I don't know why that's always the assumption. Launch 'em at 3AM your target's time and the reaction is going to move at least a little slower, and most civilians would never even know it's coming unless their government has one of those unblockable/unmutable phone alerts that they can push (they tested this here in the US during the first Trump admin)
Anonymous No.64168901 >>64169610
>>64141815 (OP)
Have a farm and get lucky with the wind and fallout, everything else comes second
Anonymous No.64169610
>>64168901
feet
Anonymous No.64169656 >>64171538 >>64172380
I think an often overlooked resource is to have friends. Possibly also a girlfriend.
Anonymous No.64170005
>>64168282
>billions of dead indians
>somehow a bad thing
Anonymous No.64171403
>>64141815 (OP)
The most dangerous part of a nuclear war is the following five years. If a nuclear winter does actually happen, 5 years of famine will kill most of the population. Maybe that's "just a theory" though and it actually won't be that bad. That said, the nuclear tests of the 50's & 60's already blanketed the Earth in enough fallout that metal mined on the surface can no longer be used for particle detectors. You feel lucky ?
Anonymous No.64171426 >>64172378
>>64168237
>modern nukes don't cause significant amounts of fallout

You could be wrong about this. If nuclear weapons are repurposed as bunker busters, which makes sense because the weapons will most likely be targeted at military installations and other nuclear weapon caches, then these will excavate thousands of tons of irradiated dust. Of course that might not be true, but you can't count on low amounts of fallout.
Anonymous No.64171538
>>64169656
Just shy of 30 years and my time came out of nowhere
Anonymous No.64171862
>>64167962
We can only afford for spruce branches.
Anonymous No.64171889 >>64172370
>>64165943
What the ever loving fuck is in the Twin Cities to be worth a missile field level of Fuck You?
Anonymous No.64172370
>>64171889
Anywhere you see more than 10 strikes is an estimation of where enemy warheads are aimed in hopes of knocking out NORAD silos and nuclear capable bases or bunkers.
Anonymous No.64172378
>>64171426
Sort of. Fission bombs left insane amounts of unstable fissile material in soil, on top of ground level detonation. This meant potentially months or years of irradiation in the soil and ground water.

Modern nuclear warheads use fusion, which does not create such intensely permeable irradiation. Around the epicenter, yes. But outside of even 2-5 miles you're still looking at only a month of extreme background radiation. Your best bet is using stronger detergents to wash skin and hair and avoiding more than an hour a day outside a safe location.
Anonymous No.64172380 >>64173440
>>64169656
My wife is a doctor and we talk about building a bunker like every day. It really is the best, fren.
Anonymous No.64173368
>>64142009
Dangerous fallout has to do with where the bomb goes off, not how modern a design it is. If the fireball doesn't touch the ground, fallout is negligible and in most cases if you received enough prompt radiation to hurt you, the blast wave finished you off a second later. If the fireball *does* touch the ground, fallout is a concern for anybody downwind. How great a concern is dependent upon a whole bunch of factors.

Most fallout is in the form of alpha and beta particles, which means that as long as you don't get them inside of you, you're fine. So, seal up your doors and windows with industrial-grade plastic and duct tape and stay inside for the 2 weeks it takes for the fallout to decay to 0.1% of its initial strength (Rule of 7s). Keep radios handy, as there should be information being transmitted about what regions are getting fallout and how much.

And Nuclear Winter was a commie lie. Case in point: major regional effects were predicted using Nuclear Winter models after Saddam set off all those oil well fires in '91. None of them panned out. Conversely, Mount Pinatubo blew its top soon after, emitting far more cooling particulates than a nuclear exchange and it had a relatively mild effect.
Anonymous No.64173440
>>64172380
Would it have enough space for your wife's boyfriend?
Anonymous No.64173738
>>64167987
You do realize that midnight MST is daytime in Moscow and Beijing? If it happened, it'd be far more likely in the middle of the night here.
Anonymous No.64174202 >>64174245 >>64174341 >>64174359
>>64141815 (OP)
>ctrl+f
>threads
>0 hits
Shamefur dispray.
Anonymous No.64174245
>>64174202
What are you on about? You're in the thread right now bud.
Anonymous No.64174247 >>64174433
>>64141815 (OP)
if you're not in a direct hit area, pretty easily. establish food and water early(pretty standard camping shit), and avoid being downriver of Nebraska and Wyoming on any water sources you drink from for the first few years(unless the nuke strategy was for cities, in which case avoid the Mississippi mostly). carry a dosimeter or geiger counter and just check it habitually just in case. unironically with the current stockpiles you're more likely to have problems long-term with food and water than anything else, so practice growing in a backyard garden as early as you can manage. three sisters is easy as fuck and a good way to get started and have a decent fallback of staples, things like onions, potatoes, and garlic grow pretty decently without much work by comparison.

somewhere like the US might actually at worst see a regression to standards of living in places like modern day alabama or louisiana post-disasters for a few years before a 'return to normalcy' would begin. hell in some places waffle house would probably be reopened in one or two months at most.
Anonymous No.64174260
You don't, at least not for very long
Anonymous No.64174341
>>64174202
Clock is threads o'bong? Time for semi-annual rewatch.
Anonymous No.64174359
>>64174202
eh, I posted a still from it >>64142442 (but I didn't explicitly mention it)
Anonymous No.64174433 >>64174789
>>64174247
No way things would rebound that fast, we're talking 75% of the population dying if we're being conservative, concentrated almost entirely in urban centres, even if radiation doesn't pose much of a threat, you've effectively decapitated modern society. No schools, no hospitals no government, maybe some surviving military units will become warlord armies.
Anonymous No.64174455
>>64141815 (OP)
The song of my teens.
https://youtu.be/dAMex6GqzKI?t=30
Whether we liked it or not.
Anonymous No.64174671 >>64176091
>>64158915
How did you get it out? Do you live in one of those places where the water table is so high you could dig a medieval style bucket well with a shovel? My well is nearly 300 feet deep.

>>64165969
Yeah, Starlink. It's kind of ass for how much it costs, but when the alternatives are Hughesnet and Viasat, it's a godsend.
Anonymous No.64174789 >>64175022 >>64175848 >>64176097 >>64176480
>>64174433
>75%
even if we assume 100% casualty rates you would have to pixel perfect spread bombs not just over cities, but entire metropolitan areas, which are fucking huge targets to be hitting individually with nuclear strikes, even on MIRV's(not to mention rural populaces). a nuclear war is much more survivable than any popular media has lead you to believe, it's just way more disruptive than any country has been willing to tolerate so far. nations are much more resilient to 'decapitation' strikes than you'd think.

there's around 36 million people in the top 50 cities of the US, lets triple that to represent the metropolitan areas, and assume total losses. it's more like 33% casualties. even if we assume we get total losses of the top 100 cities, and I mean you kill EVERYONE in them, that's 60 million, out of a total population of 340 million, and our population density is fucking LOW by comparison to most places, you just can't nuke every blade of grass in the US, and if you're a country that would go to nuclear war against the US, you have to save missiles to double tap military centers if you want to win, and that just completely eviscerates your kill totals.

your shitty boss will be asking you when you can come in two to three weeks after the opening exchange of the war. your bank will still want you to pay your mortgage on time, and hell, chances are you'll still be paying an internet bill after the initial disruption. you'll just be looking at shit like national guard directing traffic and guarding walmarts to gun down people trying to shoplift food. stores will have more shortages and power will be intermittent, but you'll still be paying in cash or credit.

hell, if anything a civil war would be more likely to result in something resembling the 'no schools, no hospitals, no government' scenario just because it'd be more effective at paralyzing interstate commerce. the nukes won't kill the highways, but insurgents would.
Anonymous No.64175022
>>64174789
Truth nuke, things would be bad, but certainly survivable for most
Anonymous No.64175848 >>64176930
>>64174789
>your shitty boss will be asking you when you can come in two to three weeks after the opening exchange of the war. your bank will still want you to pay your mortgage on time, and hell, chances are you'll still be paying an internet bill after the initial disruption. you'll just be looking at shit like national guard directing traffic and guarding walmarts to gun down people trying to shoplift food. stores will have more shortages and power will be intermittent, but you'll still be paying in cash or credit.
I agree that all the anons talking like we're all doomed or that the nation will be blasted back into the dark ages are being overdramatic but, man, you've gone way too far in the other direction.
The near-total shift toward just-in-time logistics along with the interconnectedness of the global economy makes us extremely vulnerable to any sort of disruption. Nuke even a handful of ports around the country and things would fall apart. Power grids would shut down because the power plants aren't getting the replacement turbines they need from Germany who in turn aren't getting the critical minerals they need from China or Australia and so on.
Anonymous No.64175875 >>64176038 >>64180011
>>64158437
It hasn't been CBRN for so long you weren't.
Which nuclear triad from which country? This brings into play 1-being struck at all 2-Schools are fucking vaults compared to other buildings.
Kids are fine or ash.
Same for you.
Most people if they stock at all have a month of food per person, many don't.
Social services aren't going anywhere even if we take all 571 of China's nukes we aren't collapsing (Chinese nukes have core-rot and 1 out of about 90 don't get serviced, not horrible not great). Real radiation problems will be minimal and short lived and even possible to simply decontaminate via emergency services.
The problem will be how utterly snapped americans will become and not internally.
That'll be world wide genocide the manual method.
Anonymous No.64175987
>>64142009
Nuclear winter is a fucking retarded meme. Even the dinosaur extinction impact only caused moderate cooling for two years.
Dust and debris aren't fucking magic, they have to get flung above the atmosphere and retain enough energy to stay and circulate in defiance of gravity and drag, how the fuck are a bunch of scattered detonations, almost all of which will be airbursts and ALL of which are multiple orders of magnitude less energetic than the Chicxulub impact going to manage that?!?
Anonymous No.64175993
>>64142350
Recharge used to be extremely broadly used for refilling/reloading type processes, it just got co-opted by electrical applications in the last 50 years or so.
Anonymous No.64176034
nuclear war is a nothingburger in comparison to how its depicted
Anonymous No.64176038 >>64176070
>>64175875
most people are fat as fuck and even a normal person can go 40 days without eating a single morsel of food.

>The problem will be how utterly snapped americans will become and not internally.
That'll be world wide genocide the manual method.
larp powerfantasy, WE FINNA SEE RED
Anonymous No.64176070 >>64179825
>>64176038
Sure, you might survive 3 weeks without food, but are you able to do anything during it or after it? You'd end up in hospital on IV. Now do that after an nuclear war. Same with the 3 days without water.
Anonymous No.64176078
>>64168780
Absolutely. People walked out into the woods to their death due to the stock market in the 30s.
Anonymous No.64176091
>>64174671
With a bucket. You could pull it to get to tip over and pull in water. Not sure what the water table was it was in flyover desert Texas though. It did have an electric pump but I never used it since it was just a novelty on the property.
Anonymous No.64176097 >>64176116 >>64176930
>>64174789
I'm sure my boss would be calling me back to work as there is no oil to go around because the oil fields were nuked, he can't get his heart medication because whatever chinese lab that makes it was nuked and the panama canal has also been nuked, farmers can't get any fertilizer from morocco for their crops or onions from brazil for their animals, not to mention that cities are railway and road transportation hubs, not to mention riverine shipping and port facilities and these would 100% be on the list, as well as power plants, factories, i could go on. It would be a population collapse orders of magnitude above anything we've seen because maybe 15% of people have the know how to feed themselves via subsistence farming.
Anonymous No.64176116
>>64176097
>15% of people have the know how to feed themselves via subsistence farming
LMAO not even farmers know how and they're sub 1% of the population. Severely overestimating people.
Anonymous No.64176361
>>64158453
>>64158437
>It will be relatively painless especially if you're in a targeted city
Ah you're a cityfag. It makes sense that you imagine everything will turn into crossed the second the government isn't there to keep them in line.
Anonymous No.64176480
>>64174789
>Bangladesh
imagine the smell
Anonymous No.64176930 >>64180014
>>64175848
>>64176097
and you wanna know what'll happen when we can't get the fancy, proper shit to do our usual work? we'll just go to whatever's on hand.

i can't get a replacement turbine? well shit im gonna make way less power using this emergency produced pile of shit we made but it'll work. nobody'll care about pollution standards at that point anyways so we're going back to the 80's with internet maybe, but that's not the end of civilization as we know it. getting knocked back several technological rungs in our current society does not look like a return to the dark ages, it looks like a return to brick phones. this pesticide/fertilizer combo was banned for polluting the shit out of our water and killing birds? fuck birds, i want corn.

the thing people don't ever fucking get about nuclear planning is that long ago we figured out that 1 nuke is never enough if you actually want to kill your target. if you want to hit every port thoroughly enough to fuck it beyond repair? you're talking more like five, ten even, just to be sure. that's the whole reason MIRVs were made. add to this that most nukes in modern arsenals are around 200kt, you're just not able to hit the 'everyone dies' numbers anymore. russia has around 1800 warheads deployed, note that is WARHEADS. you're launching 3-10 on each missile at best and russia notably counts any missile that could in THEORY be put on a launcher and fired as 'deployed', even though in a nuclear exchange those would never make it to a launch platform in time. even if we take china's high-estimates of 600 warheads in their stock, you have to keep in mind, not all 2400 possible hostile nukes would be launched at just the US.

so if you know you need, being generous, three warheads to confirm a 'kill', what 800 global targets are you picking? US military bases? congratulations, there's just about one base per target you can pick. we're not even talking nuke silo targets at this point, that's 400 MORE targets in the US alone.
Anonymous No.64178797
>>64141815 (OP)
What if we have a nuclear war, and somehow, everyone's warheads have a 100% fail rate? What would WWIII look like then?
Anonymous No.64179825 >>64180562
>>64176070
a small but significant number of christians go on 40 day fasts to imitiate jesus and manage to work during it and be fine after
Anonymous No.64179841
>>64162960
Kek
Anonymous No.64180011
>>64175875
>(Chinese nukes have core-rot and 1 out of about 90 don't get serviced, not horrible not great).
How do you know this?
Anonymous No.64180014
>>64176930
Nice crew escape system on those nukes
Fucking retard
The rest of your post is as dumb or dumber
Anonymous No.64180562 >>64181522
>>64179825
I call BS.
Anonymous No.64181522
>>64180562
usually they are pretty fat beforehand, you lose like 50 pounds
Anonymous No.64182269
>>64141815 (OP)
Watch the movie Threads and then decide if you want to actually survive or not.