Thread 64158426

>The British Army have started Project Grayburn which is to replace the SA80
So what new rifle should the British army choose?

more like project GAYburn LMAO

>>64158426 (OP)
Why did every eruo nation choose their own rifle? The G36, the FAMAS, etc.

>>64158435
Mistakes were made during the 70s. Most countries are replacing their rifles with AR-15 platforms now.

>>64158435
illusion of independence

>>64158426 (OP)
I thought they switched to some kind of an AR like a decade ago?

>>64158426 (OP)
hk416

>>64158426 (OP)
>What should they buy
M4 with five decades worth of improvements
>What will they buy?
HK416 if they're smart, but they're not so they'll buy Sigs instead.

>>64158426 (OP)
Probably: HK416
Possibly: KAC ARs
Ideally: VHS-2 because muh bullpup long barrel accurate rifleman
Also ideally: CZ Bren 3
Never ever: indigenous design
It would be so fucking funny:AR-18

They should just wait for Germany to get rid of their G36's and buy those

>>64158426 (OP)
AUG. Fite me.

>>64158426 (OP)
>British Army have started Project Gayburn
Appropriate.

>>64158426 (OP)
They should get Augs.

>>64158426 (OP)
the AR-15. but they won't, at best they'll get the HK416.

>>64158426 (OP)
Probably 416's like everyone else is saying, which is fine though an AR would probably be slightly better performance wise. Reviving domestic British small arms industry by developing machinery for an AR pattern rifle would be nice (I know it would be a catastrophe and pure grift and waste)

Speaking of which, this is just an excuse to piggyback off the wave of European defense spending and turn it into an excuse to spend taxpayer money on MIC bullshit. They'll get Sig'd into some new monstrosity, realize its retarded and doesn't work, then go back to pic rel

>>64158426 (OP)
eleven point five inch palmetto state armory upper with desert tech quattro 15 lower

They should adopt American and buy American.

>>64158426 (OP)
They'll choose a SIG

.277 EM-2

>>64158435
they had their own defense industrial bases so it made sense

>1990s
>Euros pivoting en masse from ar platforms
>canada is the only country to not be retarded and choose an AR platform in the 90s
>the C7 is the only rifle that didn't immediately melt the handguards when mag dumping or cause enough stoppages to get soldiers killed
anything but an AR platform is retarded in 1996 and today

>>64159025
also inb4 Canada isn't Europe.
Exactly which is why they weren't retarded in 1995

>>64158426 (OP)
>muslim country
rusty AKs and machetes, no need to train anybody since they already know how to use them, very high IQ logistics

>>64159025
UK actually made AR-18's which were doing rather sterling service in Northern Ireland. Still decided to make the SA80 cause fuck knows.

>>64158426 (OP)
They already bought KS-1s. So probably they'll just buy more.
They should have bought FN Model Ds.

>>64159032
the SA80 is literally a bullpuped AR-18 except they somehow made it shit.

>>64158433
gaybum

>>64158426 (OP)
The answer has been in front of them the whole time.

>>64159047
Kitchen knives and Mercedes sprinter vans on a crowded street?

If its anything like the project hunter requirements, its written specifically to suit an AR, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just mass adopt the KS1. The 416 makes sense from a cross training perspective with Norway and France, and the bongs have a long standing good relationship with H&K (including owning them for a time) so it would fit. Personally I would like them to adopt OD green Scar-Ls, it would be distinct from anything any other country has and have continuity with the L85 aesthetically, and its internally quite similar so easier for existing personnel to adapt to. However that categorically isn't happening, even though the SCAR Mk3 is supposedly in the running; I don't think it has a chance.
>>64158746
>Speaking of which, this is just an excuse to piggyback off the wave of European defence spending and turn it into an excuse to spend taxpayer money on MIC bullshit.
No, this has been going on in obscurity for as long as the ranger rifle trial, so nearly 5 years.

>>64159075
i hope they atleast make it green instead of tan or black

>>64158426 (OP)
The AKB-23

https://aandk.llc/akb-23-brn180-l85/

>>64159285
is that the transfer bar, out in the open

>>64159285
What optic is that?

>>64158426 (OP)
INSAS

>>64158973
So Trump can cut off supplies when his daddy vladdy tells him to?

>>64158426 (OP)
Get the F90
>Bullpup
>Lighter
>More compact
>Still retains solid barrel length
>Modular
>Reliable
>(re)designed by Australian allies

>>64158426 (OP)
They should unironically partner with the Australians to bankroll the development of the 6.8mm version of the Austeyr. Jointly use it as a general commonwealth gun.

>>64159649
>6.8
fuck off

>>64158435
>Why did every eruo nation choose their own rifle? The G36, the FAMAS, etc.

A very good question I have often wondered myself. European nations still, smartly, wanted their weapons manufacturing to be domestic. So why didn't they have Colt come out and partner with a domestic company to set up in-nation factories the way Canada did with Diemaco? The Canadian C7 rifle is a hell of a lot better than the SA80 and FAMAS shit the Europeans were coming up with. Better than the German G36 for that matter.

Then the Germans slap a totally unnecessary external piston on the AR-15 and now suddenly these European countries are ready to adopt it. Colt experimented with external pistons in the 60's and showed they're pointless extra weight and increases recoil.Eugene Stoner's invention of putting the piston chamber within the bolt carrier group was genius. The only positive of the external short stroke or long stroke piston is helping to keep gas out of your face when shooting suppressed. That's not something that needs to be considered when selecting a general infantry rifle.

>>64158464
>>64158486
>>64158466
>>64158732
>>64158746

HK416 is a meme gun. Short stroke piston is a downgrade. A step backwards in time. Larry Vickers should apologize for it.

>>64159455
No, that is the transfer bar cover.
>>64159455
read the file name

>>64159649
We should use the sexy holhol gun.
wogstralia is already poaching our best and brightest

>>64159715
*

This is all outdated, obsolete technology. Gyrojet weapons are the way forward.

>>64159680
Seethe more

>>64158426 (OP)
Weren't they going to choose between a SAKO AR-15 and the Beretta NARP?
I'm cheering for the NARP, hopefully it carries over Beretta's expertise from the ARX-160 fishgun.

>>64159649
6.8 should get zero adoption and be promptly euthanized. Sic semper Sigris.

>>64159672
European nations seemed to place high value on compact guns when they got around to adopting 5.56mm. They wanted more mechanization and paratrooper action and thought compact guns were important for that. Hence the many bullpups, and of the rifles that weren't bullpups like the G36 they went with AR-18 derivatives that could fold.
I think the only reason the Euros didn't immediately go to bullpups was the US insistence on NATO members using 7.62 and by the time the US changed its mind the Euros had already adopted a generation of full power guns.

>>64160121
Thats just two of several entrants. I haven't seen a complete list, but the Bren and MCX are competing, along with a couple of domestically produced ARs. One was Lantac, cant remember the others.

>>64160277
>MCX is competing
Fuck. Never a good sign.

>>64160277
>>64160301
MCX will win because their CEO is an IDF veteran Jew.

>>64160301
>MCX
>Competing
Pick one des.

>>64158486
The VHS-2 would honestly make sense

>>64158435
Because there's a whole bunch of economy and security and national pride interests all wanting to make things domestically for any country's military, and rifles are both an obvious symbol and something that just about every troop is going to touch (in addition to things like arms treaties/embargos/trade laws and rifles being fairly simple to manufacture), so of course they're going to design their own. Over time economies of scale and the general consolidation of small arms tech made it simpler to just license the thing that everyone's using (which has really only recently become a viable option) instead of making your own slightly different version of what everyone's using. The mills making it are going to be in your country using your workers anyway so what's the difference?

>>64159680
Yes, but they'll buy them anyway. And they could do much worse, like the US Army did.

>>64158435
National pride, jobs and different requirements.

>>64158433
Damn you beat me to it.

They should go back to the Martini-Henry in .455 and they should also go back to the attitudes of the men who used them previously.

>>64158426 (OP)
They should just get the L403A1 that some of their units have already adopted.

>>64158426 (OP)
416 clone made by anyone other than HK themselves

its going to be
>PIC RELATED
i guaran-fuking-tee it

ak-19

>>64159680
I agree but it'll continue to get used. The thing is with these states is that they don't actually really know what they are talking about so HK rolls up and starts marketing the 416 with it's piston as a feature and not a big and they believe them, thus it gets adopted all over the place. Same thing happens with LMT. LMT gets a lot of random foreign contracts because it's a feature rich gun. 99% of those features are unnecessary and border on useless, but they get to spam clients with a list of widgets and features built into the rifle that looks good on paper so they win contracts
>nooooo yuros aren't dumb they are austere and dignified and are serious people who know what they are doing!
The sako ARs are a perfect example of why they are a silly people. The sako ARs are more or less just basic ARs which is good, but because the AR is lighter than most rifles it's competing against they slapped a heavy barrel on it to make up the weight because they thought the weight gap means they can get away with a "better" heavier barrel. We do not live in the 1980s anymore. Heavy barrels are a meme for everything other than very autistic hole stacking at distance with SPRs. They should have gone for a modern taper barrel design, but didn't because yuros don't know what they are doing and are just clumsily copying American small arms development while keeping up the facade that they know what they are doing. I will now be called brown for this observation

>>64160621
You seem to know what you are talking about. What is the current timeline for AR adoption for Finland and Sweden?

>>64160121
Beretta obviously is leading with the NARP but they also own Sako as well. Total Beretta victory is guaranteed

>>64160621
brown

>>64158426 (OP)
RM277, because why not? It should be easier to familiarize for bongs.

Hasnt the patent expired for the AR? Why wouldnt bongs just stand up their own local manufacture and keep everything in house?
The AR isnt alien technology, is British arm production in the dumps this badly?

>>64161157
The UK have local AR15s, they're just tiny garage operations that could never plausibly deliver on the scale their military would require and they're fairly generic designs; and as a result they're not competitive in terms of economy of scale or features.

>>64160621
>Same thing happens with LMT. LMT gets a lot of random foreign contracts because it's a feature rich gun.

Karl Lewis has said the "direct impingement" in the original Armalite design is superior to short stroke pistons. His company is simply giving people what they want. HK has bamboozled people into thinking the AR-15 needed World War II technology.

>>64160511
>attitudes of the men who used them previously
Noncing and buggering worldwide?

>>64161157
ARs have been a thing. M16 was a thing. The bulk of small arms have been SA80 at the same time.

>>64161288
The UK, not Russia.

>>64161334
If you only knew

>>64158466
>>What will they buy?
>HK416 if they're smart, but they're not so they'll buy Sigs instead.

You mean "SIG will bribe them just like they bribed the Americans."

Based the sa80 was poorly designed

>>64161451
yeah

The cherry bakewell of service rifles

>>64161455
Sack everyone that knows how to design a gun and then design a gun.
Remind me where they make one or two tanks a year just to have the factory run, I think it is in Europe.

>>64161177
>The UK have local AR15s, they're just tiny garage operations
>deliver on the scale their military would require
lmao...so a tiny garage operation?

how hard could it possibly be to supply like 50k rifles?
uk military is basically non-existent by any 1st or even 3rd world sense (thirdies have HUGE armies even)

>>64161531
Someone is thinking of Accuracy International. Or Irish Terrorists.

they should pick the NARP cause it's a funny name

>>64161676
The NARP should be renamed to PNAR.

>the PNAR id the next step in small arms evolution
>the PNAR will allow our troops to deal decisive damage on target
>the PNAR is just what soldiers need

>>64160277
Didn't a bunch of euro cops have to get rid of their MCX's because the receiver alloy wasn't hard enough?

>>64161850
Yeah I'd love to shoot my PNAR all over some bad guys. I'd shoot some hot 5.56 loads from PNAR into some asses

>>64158435
Nobody knows. They should buy weapons from the US.

>>64158426 (OP)
>So what new rifle should the British army choose?
If bullpup: Desert Tech WLVRN
If not: EITHER an AR with optimized parts (would require cross-licensing of 2-3 manufacturers), OR the XCR.

And when I say "optimized" I mean stuff which does nothing except increase cycling reliability and reduces part breakages, like the LMT bolt with the HM Defense cam pin hole, and a carrier like the Centurion C4. If they went with the route of custom AR they'd probably get a domestic manufacturer like Lantac to manage it all.

Also an adjustable gas system for the inevitable adoption of both suppressors and hybrid case technology 5.56 (Badlands etc.)

>>64160621
>Heavy barrels are a meme for everything other than very autistic hole stacking at distance with SPRs. They should have gone for a modern taper barrel design, but didn't because yuros don't know what they are doing
You think we're immune to military procurement autism? Finns love hole stacking = wanted a hole stacking barrel.

This bad boy

>>64162044
>the suppressor looks like the average /k/ users anus
fitting

>>64158435
Money simple as

>British Army most likely replacing the SA80 with HK416
>The future is just everyone using an AR, multicam and F22 copy

I hate this future

>>64161883
Oh my god yet another pathetic conspiracy theory. It was barrels, and if you knew anything about guns, you'd know that barrels are perishable items; they're supposed to be periodically replaced. Softer metals actually improve performance due to tighter rifling, this is why a lot of highly accurate guns forgo chrome lining. Police in Schleswig-Holstein only replaced their MCXs because they got infected by the same retarded anti-Sig mind poison that you have.

>>64158486

>And it's down Along the Falls Road, that's where I long to be,
>Kicking in rebel doors with an airborne company,
>Squaddie on on my left and another on my right
>I'll dump a mag of ammunition from my bri'ish Armalite.

This thing fucking sucks.

It'll be some boring AR derative. As long as we stick with 5.56 and not follow the USA's Sig Fury special needs round.

>>64158486
Berreta were showing interest and even offering decent tiers on domestic manufacturing, if the UK wants it can be anywhere between 60-100% made in Britain

Finally, the worst western service rifle is being replaced.

>>64158426 (OP)
lmt innit gov. in any case its going to be a massive snoozefest
>>64159672
>increases recoil
breh its 5.56
>shooting suppressed. That's not something that needs to be considered when selecting a general infantry rifle.
signature reduction ? in an era of ubiquitous surveillance, no way.

>>64164082
Domestic manufacturing is a requirement for Grayburn IIRC. Which is precisely why it's not going to be KAC, no matter what was chosen for RM, ASOB, and UKSF units

FN are the only major company with large manufacturing facilities already in the UK, but I think they only offer SCAR in Europe rather than any of the ARs they make for Mil/LEO in America.
As already mentioned, LANTAC are probably the next most suitable in the UK, but they don't have much history of mil contracts other than Russians making knock-offs of their flash-hiders for SOF units

>>64164123
>FN are the only major company with large manufacturing facilities already in the UK, but I think they only offer SCAR in Europe
I do think its notable that the FN website prominently shows SCAR carbines in the hands of guys wearing MTP, so they may already have positioned themselves to be able to produce the SCAR locally with a view of a major contract.

>>64159040
Still more functional than the initial production SA80 :^)

>>64164106
>worst western service rifle
Worst by what metric? Causing the most warriortard and turdie seethe?

>>64160621
Finns love target shooting.

>>64158426 (OP)
Oh go they been trying to do this for ages all the way back since 2000s. The british army and the sa80 are like in an abusive relationship. They talk about leaving but they eventually get back together

>>64164319
worst because another guy who hasn't been on the same continent as one told me so on the internet :^)))
p.s. I am mentally handicapped and have never been fucked by a man although I long to

>>64159047
They missed the opportunity to make her indian or black and carry knives all time and she doesnt even get the sa80 she gets a plastic toy and she has to have a licence for it.

>>64161334
UK Boys Schools were operated by and for the purpose sodomy.

>>64159216
That makes me feel uncomfortable

>>64164416
unnatural aintit

>>64164430
Is that real? I saw some kits on youtube you can turn the m4 and aks into a bull pup. I don't really like that mate.

Also the sa80 isnt that bad it's the most accurate rifle in nato.


The British army is obssed with accuracy

>>64164439
unfortunately no, the ar15 / m16 buffer tube is mostly in the way.

>>64164106
no.
the l85a1 was poor, but heckler and koch redesigned it
the l85a2 is a slightly heavy, but it's very practical and easy to maintain. you can disassemble all the parts easily with your hands
it's accurate as hell and has better reliability than its american counterparts
handled the l85a2 a few years ago

>>64164626
>it's accurate as hell and has better reliability than its american counterparts
Bullshit

>>64164626
>handled the l85a2 a few years ago

Wow you totally know everything then. Don't bother yourself to explain anything in scientific terms. We'll just sit here drooling for you.

>>64164626
Why do brown people seethe so badly over anything from the UK

>muh gun laws
>muh censorship
>muh putler is the saviour of the white race
Piss off

The less we rely on Ameristan, the better.

Brits will pick a Bren just for the shitposting.

>>64164695
Dont you understand mate, the sky wizard has given sharts the right to say literally anything they want, even if they are unwittingly spreading messaging campaigns of hostile regimes. It’s only bad when allies try to counter Russian narratives, not when Russians spread malign rhetoric designed to escalate threats

>>64164754
Russia has launched a full blown information confrontation with the west, and US cooperation with the UK is one of their main targets. Keep in mind whenever some demoralized rube is spamming “post guns” — taking bong firearms culture out of context is one of their leverage points that needs to be shored up by pointing out how useful idiots are simply embarrassing themselves.

>>64159050
>turdie seethe

>>64158435
to keep national industries alive, same reason many nations have their own tanks, apcs, helicopters, planes, etc.
sometimes that means just building vehicles under license too.
for the most part the defense industry is a giant safety net that keeps thousands of manufacturing jobs alive.

>>64164319
>>64164402
>>64164626
This is cope

>>64164776
I mean, as a bong who's interested in guns, I feel like the government could back off this issue a bit as well. I don't want to have guns available in vending machines which is presumably the way America, but you know some kind of pathway to ownership after I prove I'm not a chav or a schizo and can be trusted to own them would be nice.

>>64164695
>People are insulting the L85, I know I'll say they are on the side of Le Putler and hope they forget how dogshit the design is.

>>64164974
> I don't want to have guns available in vending machines which is presumably the way America, but you know some kind of pathway to ownership after I prove I'm not a chav or a schizo and can be trusted to own them would be nice.
C'mon guys it's reasonable to need loisense, how could that ever a problem?

>>64164974
>>64164985
Guns are relatively easy to get in the UK if you live outside a town or city. You don't even need a license for most.
Its the ammo that's the problem.

>>64165012
Pest control it the easiest way to justify a weapon.
Sporting is the next, but the easiest way it to get one from one of those migrant chaps.
Yay go the British Government.

>>64164680
Not him, I used one for over a decade and its fine, you just need to get familiar with it. I've been on excerise with the French and Germans who didn't like them and thought they were unreliable, but when you looked at them they weren't cleaning them properly since they had just been given a crash course on how to use them. The French especially just seemed to fire on automatic all the time, slather the gas plug in oil without cleaning it then complain it wasn't cycling properly.

>>64165012
"Guns" are available in the UK, but anything remotely cool has to be mangled to shit. This poster was made by some Brit who was smug about proving how available guns are in the UK and it's actually pathetic.
There are gun laws in the US that are dumb too be at least there is a lot of push back against them, and our homes actually need a warrant to be entered unlike the UK.

>>64160121
>How many lightening cuts on the handguard do you want?
>just fuck my shit up

>>64165045
>The French especially just seemed to fire on automatic all the time, slather the gas plug in oil without cleaning it then complain it wasn't cycling properly.
Actually the perfect metaphor for French sexual hygiene as well

>>64165098
Unfortunately most of the population aren't interested in guns and aren't even aware of what's legal, most just assume no one apart from farmers are allowed anything and only the farmers have double barrel shotguns. The conversation is always around what further restrictions are to be put in place and never about what should be made legal.
Look at the history of UK gun laws and its a slow and steady erosion of rights.

>>64165098
There is way more allowed than that but the fun stuff is less gun and more starts crossing into the realms of naval artillery.
Most of the laws really are to keep firearms out of the hands of plebs by costing them out of ownership. At least armoured vehicles are easy to own which if you drive round certain parts of the UK there seems to be more of those in private ownership than it feels like is in the army.

Nigel BTFO

>>64165233
>>64165208
I specifically got into Black Powder because I don't have to be "registered" as a gun owner

>>64165637
>this cope again
Warriortard seething like mad

>>64165012

But glavset and RT said guns are banned in bongland and we are supposed to be very, very demoralized. You mean the vatniks posted in bad faith???

>>64165098
>says poster is pathetic
>doesn’t disprove any facts therein
Yeah
Sorry your narrative got dismantled pidor

It was only a matter of time. The l85 has a terrible reputation

>>64165707
Black Powder weapons are honestly a lot of fun and very interesting mechanically especially the early repeaters. If you go further back and look at some of firing mechanisms like the wheellocks you can't help but appreciate the autism that went into the engineering.

>>64166263
Doesn’t stop vatniks from seething about it

>>64165045
>The French especially just seemed to fire on automatic all the time
That's complete BS.

>>64158435
Being able to make your own equipment is always better than having to buy it why buy someone else’s rifle when you trust your own nation to be able to make a better one that you always have access too

>>64160591
What is this expression trying to convey?

>>64167698
accepted sadness, yep this is just how it is now.

>>64166691
I doubt vatniks give a shit about it. The people you see shitting on the L85 do so because bongs have never been able to handle the bantz and therefore its funny. If bongs didn't treat the gun like a sacred cow and recognized that it was marred by the same institutional laziness and incompetence that allowed their mediocre auto industry to get raped by cheap Datsuns and Toyotas in the 80s, then it would have no affect; but they cant and so they're left coping. Nobody makes any attempt to pretend Morris or Austin made good cars now that they've had decades of good Japanese alternatives that cost nothing, start every time and don't have the windscreen fall out when they drive over a bump, so I expect once the L85 is gone and they become accustomed to ARs, bongs will more freely admit in retrospect it was junk. And then you will no long have to desperately try to reframe it as some foreign agent trying to heckin' demooooralize you, so that's something you personally can look forward to.

>>64166691
vatniks seethe about anything and everything from the west, especially atm. One minute the M1 is a warcrime mega death machine that should never ever EVER be given to ukraine, the next it's a joke tank that should have never been designed because 'look look we killed one', and then the NEXT minute again it's the mega death machine. Vatnik posting is a constant merry go round of cope, hope, rope

>>64158426 (OP)
CZ Bren 3

>>64158426 (OP)
So of all the competitors which one is actually the most likely to win? I imagine the KS-1 would actually be a fairly decent contender against the HK purely because it's in use and seems to have a fairly decent rep with the troops using it

>>64160621
137, 81, 41

>>64162170
It unironically looks like a solid, high-fiber turd

>>64166214
: )

>>64165098
The best "practical" rifle available in the UK is probably the KelTec CMR-30.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aPWln5UhReY
Very few people actually own one, and the stock and barrel can't be configured to have a collapsed length of under 60cm.
Of course the moment anyone in government actually notices that they're legal they'll be banned, because as you correctly point out;
>anything remotely cool has to be mangled to shit
The point of anti-gun laws isn't just to prevent certain weapons from being obtained, it's to discourage, burden, and annoy people who want to own them legally.

>>64167772
Well said

>>64164695
What you talkin about most of uk now is brown. Tom jones Sheryl basiy all brown people.

>>64164430
Nothing wrong with this.

>>64165098
lol, you need specific police approval for each firearm you intend to purchase, even with a firearms certificate. Good luck getting your local old bill to ok you for a 50-cal rofl

>>64158486
VHS-2 narrowly lost the french rifle trial to the HK416F.
Narrowly

>>64160121
A big part of this test is they are testing the 6.8x51 US round in two rifles.
IMHO they probably are going to steer clear of it - which will ultimately kill 6.8

L119A3 (C8A4)

>>64165012
>>64166212
Post your guns, britbros

>>64158426 (OP)
Piston AR-15 type carbine with 14 inch barrel and folding sights.

>>64158438
Are they AR-15s? I think they have the shape of an AR-15 but adding any sort of piston, like in the HK416 it no longer is an AR-15.

>>64158433
Get em hoss

>>64169059
>the post guns zigger is back
/pol/ is calling, it’s time for you to go back

>>64163169
Sigfags malding lmao. Sig sucks retard

>>64168736
>/pol/ loser cannot fathom actually having connections and trust in their community

Nothing could be more on brand for the current crop of failed western men turned demoralized UK haters

>>64169662
Innit bruv me uncle is in west midlands police

>>64164409
third world ESL post

>>64169662
How the fuck do you get to bait people into this shit with absolute impunity, yet whenever anyone falls for it THEY get banned for off-topic?

>>64168736
This is just true information about how firearm licensing works in the UK, it's completely uncontrovertible because it's TRUE. Every UK gun owner has a firearms officer who handles their certificate and ultimately decides whether a gun can be added to it.

It's unlikely that someone with what's called a caliber "endorsement" for, say, 308, would be blocked from buying another rifle of the same kind as they already own, but IN THEORY they can be, and ultimately the denial of the purchase isn't appealable. The only thing you can appeal is a revocation, and the grounds for a successful appeal are narrow and pretty much end with the area's "chief constable". If this person wants to be petty they can be, and your options run out.

>>64169752
>turdie seething about his ban
The eternal Albion strikes again

>>64169662
>>/pol/ loser cannot fathom actually having connections and trust in their community
Within the last year the UKPSA treasurer and a couple of chairmen pulled a bunch of corrupt shit with sponsorships, and when one of the other chairmen attempted to air it out and make members aware before an upcoming election, the corrupt chairmen threatened to go speak to his firearms officer and tell him they "fear for his mental health".

So the most gun-owning gun owners in the UK casually use the threat of license revocation as a tool for silencing dissent in their organization because they know how little it takes to get someone revoked. And they SHOULD know, because a (corrupt) candidate for treasurer WAS revoked for almost 2 years on a baseless and withdrawn allegation of domestic violence because he took car keys away from his drunk girlfriend in a pub's parking lot in front of other people and made her get an uber.

This beauty
Seems only logical though. Between modern British cars and British royalty, they seem to have a thing for taking German-made parts and putting them together the way they want to.

>>64167772
They are not going to like this realization one bit

Any place still have the British FDE grip pods? They're sold out everywhere

>>64167772
>marred by the same institutional laziness and incompetence that allowed their mediocre auto industry to get raped by cheap Datsuns and Toyotas in the 80s
The only reason the American car industry wasn't cored out in the same way by the same companies was because of protectionism and a MASSIVE government supported PR campaign.

kek L85 had a bad reputation

>>64160639
Sweden:
>AK24 - 11½" barrel 5.56 rifle - originally planned as a PDW for POGs and vehicle crews
Current recruits of all kinds are getting issued AK24 as well as a batch of some 20,000 M4A1 carbines purchased from US army's reserve stocks of unused rifles.
For the foreseeable future, subsequent batches of recruits will all be issued AK24s when production has been scaled up to meet demand.
>AK25 - 16-18" barrel *!*!*!*!* SELECT FIRE *!*!*!*!* 7.62NATO rifle - originally intended to be adopted as the standard service rifle for all infantry grunts
Very little information on this rifle is available to the public, project might be dead or on hold
>Unnamed semi-auto DMR - 18-20" barrel - 7.62NATO
Very little information on this rifle is available to the public, project might be dead or on hold

Finland:
Very little information available. Most of the public info is outdated.
Seems they're still debating whether the to adopt a 7.62NATO semi-auto as their standard service rifle, or just adopt a what is essentially the Swedish-spec AK24 5.56 rifle but with a longer barrel and handguard.
While the 7.62 option was originally preferred for superior range and penetration, proponents of 5.56 have argued that 7.62 is needlessly overpowered, and that the power comes at an unacceptable cost in terms of individual ammo loadout and troops needing far more practice to become decent riflemen with a 7.62 rifle.

>>64172794
>>AK25 - 16-18" barrel *!*!*!*!* SELECT FIRE *!*!*!*!* 7.62NATO rifle - originally intended to be adopted as the standard service rifle for all infantry grunts
>Very little information on this rifle is available to the public, project might be dead or on hold
I hope so. Adopting 7.62 NATO as your standard rifle in 2015+10 sounds retarded.

It sounds to my uninformed self that Finland and Sweden probably have some older officers in their respective MoDs who just will never accept 5.56NATO willingly.

Why can’t bongs into gun design?

>>64172977
That’s like asking a turtle why it can’t fly

>>64172977
Making things is banned. Blame every Government since the thirties.
Anything large enough to get the government involved will fail while making huge amounts of money for the fuckwits that made it fail.
France had the right idea. Shit may have to happen.

>>64172990
>turdie seething like mad about bongs
Oh no, anyway

>>64158426 (OP)
m4s

>>64172994
I was relating the lack of gun culture in the UK as a contributing factor to why they make poorly designed guns. You coped

>>64158746
How do you improve on an m4 which has submoa grouping from 300yards at least.

at least they aren't going with fletch rounds.

>>64172993
I'm about to spend 2 years in a french resort town just not trying to kill myself. Also, that was a pretty big opsec break. Then again, he's too focused on me to do anything else.

>>64158426 (OP)
they should take the AK platform and chamber it to 5.56
maybe contract with Zastava to design their gun
stop coping about AR reliability. an AR is absolutely good for self defense, sport shooting or anything else but NOT military due to DI over long stroke piston. this is why HK416 uses a piston
t. Russian
also, muh assault weapons like AK carbines with ohmygosh DETACHABLE magazines of 30 rounds are legal in Russia. can you say the same about california? california is literally your enemy on the freedom frontline. gavin newsom should be 6 feet under right fucking now. when I move to the US (because I like guns and support 2a) I'll settle either in texas or florida

>>64167772
Considering there were t-shirts circulating when it first was issued that had : "Designed by the Ignorant, Built by the Incompetent, Issued to the Unfortunate" written on it along with a picture captioned "The Civil Servant" I think you're a little bit full of shit.

>>64158426 (OP)
Sig spear

Hk416

>>64159680
I don't disagree, but pistons won DI lost.

>>64169523
then it just becomes an AR18.

It is often said that the SA-80 is the “warrior IFV of service rifles” it just isn’t very good

The fact we used that absolute piece of total shit for so long people should be in jail. And the fags that say the a2 and a3 fixed the issues are liars or never spent any time using it. If you want any type of armament always buy American.

I've spent a lot of Time using it and the A2/3 versions are fine. I only really see stoppages with blank rounds and most of those are down to the magazines being old as fuck and damaged from constant abuse on excerise.

Liar, they were notorious for constant stoppages with live rounds. A piece of shit rifle that I am absolutely certain they got people killed in cqb.

>>64173713
A1s maybe, A2s fine.
>certain they got people killed
Is that based on anything other than 'I don't like it so it must be bad'

t. Warriortard arguing with himself

>>64173644
>we
>always buy American
t.Hunter from yorkshire state

>>64173982
I'm not warriortard, if he was arguing with himself he'd be making a bigger deal of it.

>>64158426 (OP)
HK 416 like all yuros do

What an embarrassment of a service rifle to begin with.

>>64169036
Colt pissed off the UK MoD too much. There was a written note in at least 2 of the 3 separate AR-15 procurements that the KAC KS-1 won, that said further L119s from Colt would not be considered

>>64176336
what did they do?

>>64164776
British firearms laws and this rifle have both been memes for a while. It's obvious that you haven't been on this site for very long.
>>64164695
For the U.S. it's generally two groups. There are actual niggers butthurt about the empire and retards who want to insult an ethnic group but are unwilling to insult any that could cause pushback, i.e., anyone considered a protected minority in the U.S. You'll see the same comments about the French. There's also the more classic muh revolutionary war types but that feels far less common now than it was 30 years ago.

>>64176572
One doesnt exlude the other.

>>64158435
>The G36
The G36 looks cool, which is one of the most important factors in choosing a service rifle. Look at this sexy beast. Back in the 90's you saw this and thought "wow that's a future gun"

>>64176756
Probably one of the most overused "future" gun after the Aug in movies.

Not surprising that they plan to ditch the L85 entirely. Just an all around terrible design. Some compare its performance to that of the cv90 in Ukraine, lackluster

>another thread fu of replies seething about bongs

Idk how they do it desu. Is this a singular Armatard type actor, or that many sharts and turdies really wake up in a rage against British people