Thread 64165185

I'm interested in a 5.7 pistol as a bugout bag type gun because it's ammo is roughly half the weight of 9mm, yet far more capable and reliable than 22LR or 22WMR. Lots of people are saying the Ruger is better than the FN 5.7 in spite of being cheaper. I handled the Ruger at a store and noted that the trigger was really good, at least compared to the Glocks I've been shooting for years. The only other 5.7s I'm aware of are Keltec and S&W, both companies that I'm suspicious of. Should I buy the Ruger or something else for this cartridge?

I'm also tempted to buy one, but for a SHTF type of weapon I would chose a more common caliber. 5.7 is still rare to come across, not counting expensive as fuck.

>>64165193
The thing is though, if you're scrounging for ammunition on dead bodies, you'll probably find guns too. So for that reason I might prioritize ammunition weight over abundance for my survival cartridge. 9mm is definitely my second choice though. Actually my first choice right now given that I don't have a 5.7.

>>64165209
Finding guns will be easier than finding ammo in a long-term crisis, they'll be people carrying guns with no ammo because they spent it all and are looking for more. Finding guns in good condition (that the previous owner took good care of) will be hard, not everyone takes good care of their stuff.

>>64165392
You could leave a Glock laying around on the forest floor for months and it would probably be functionally fine. Even if there's corrosion in the barrel, barrel integrity is a very small component of handgun accuracy compared to a benchrest rifle.

>>64165404
You won't even have one DGU in your entire life. Having to evacuate a disaster of war zone on foot is almost just as likely. I already had to do it in North Carolina last year during hurricane Helene, that's why I'm serious about this stuff.

>>64165185 (OP)
Theres also a Palmetto Shart Armory gun isnt there?

>>64165449
I don't want a gun some hillbilly made in his basement with a pipe cutter and belt sander

>>64165185 (OP)
>31oz unloaded
It's the worst 5.7 option. If you can't swing $350 more you probably aren't going to be shooting 5.7 anyway.

>>64165483
It's 24.5oz unloaded, presumably including a magazine since all other specs on Ruger's site include the magazine. It's the same as a Glock.

>>64165483
The price is just a bonus. The reason I'm attracted to the Ruger is because people are saying it's better than the FN and the trigger is excellent for a striker pistol.

>>64165423
There are more metal components to a Glock than the barrel: The extractor, firing pin, trigger bar, locking block, firing pin block, recoil spring, guide rails, etc.

Plus, even the parts made of polymer aren't immune; you'll see cracked frames and slides from people shooting handloads that are too hot, cracked grips from people using their pistol as a hammer and/or melee weapon, people whose undisciplined shitbull thought it found a new chew toy, and people who threw someone else off a 10-story building and at the bottom someone else looted the victim's gun.

The fact of the matter is that you'll see some junk rods held together by duct tape and glue.

>>64165524
I doubt it. Nobody handloads 9mm and nobody is going to be using a Glock as a hammer. Silly fantasy scenarios. Glocks have survived everything thrown at them. There is a Gen 1 or 2 Glock on display in a famous gun store somewhere that was torture tested beyond reason, dropped from a plane, left in the ocean for months, fired 100k rounds through it, still works and shoots 2" groups at 25 yards. Most modern pistols use similar design and materials.

>>64165499
Ok so it's the same as a loaded five seven.
>>64165502
The MRD trigger is literally a sao trigger. It's not 1911 tier but it's definitely better than the striker fired Walters I've shot which supposedly are best in class.

>>64165185 (OP)
Why would you be wary of S&W’s? Their modern line up is actually pretty damn excellent, at least for their 2.0 M&P’s (from personal experience). I and several buddies own them in an array of calibers and we have had zero issues despite high round counts on all of them. Having shot my friend’s 5.7 I can say it feels and shoots amazingly, it uses a different barrel system than other’s on the market but it’s basically like zero recoil, literally like shooting a .22LR. Highly recommended to at least look into it if you’re shopping for 5.7’s.

>>64165558
FN 57 is 21 ounces WITHOUT magazine, which is probably something like 1.5 ounce lighter than the Ruger tops.

Never handled an MRD but if the trigger is better than Walther PDP I would be impressed. It's not really comparable though given that it's a subcompact. I would never buy any 9mm with less than a 4" barrel.

>>64165574
Because when I turned 21 and got into handguns back in the late 00s I had several S&W revolvers and the quality control was such a fucking joke that I wanted to tour the factory to see how such pieces were actually escaping. Among numerous issues I had forcing cones that were so rough you couldn't use lead bullets at all (which is half the point of a revolver), barrels that weren't screwed on straight, and sights that flew off. Some of these were performance center models. I've had 60 or so handguns since then from numerous manufacturers and I have never seen quality control anywhere near that bad.

>>64165574
I wish I could have a couple of these desu.

>>64165548
>Nobody handloads 9mm
In a SHTF situation you really think no one will handload when we can see people doing that now? picrel. You don't even need handloads; enough bullet setback on the cartridge can cause a pressure spike.
>nobody is going to be using a Glock as a hammer.
I have met multiple marines who have admitted to using whatever is in their hands as hammers, including a pistol.
>Silly fantasy scenarios.
You are retarded. Pic as proof that you're wrong.

>>64165598
Yeah people are going to be looking for dies when the fucking grocery stores are all closed. Whatever.

>>64165586
I see, well I can’t confirm if it’s true for their revolvers. But I can safely say I have not had an issue this far with any of their auto loading pistols. I think they may have touched up their QC in recent years after the original SD’s got raked through the coals, their 2.0’s are all pretty excellent out of the box and barring a recoil spring issue on my sister’s Bodyguard that may or may not have been her fault I’ve at least personally never experienced any malfunctions that weren’t directly operator error

>>64165607
>People in the thread talk about bugging out and SHTF
>One particular brain-dead retard doesn't understand the concept of stockpiles and that some people actually are hoarding reloading components.
You're very heckin' intellectual, friend. Share your thoughts on R3ddit for some updoots and awards, friendo.

Thousands (if not tens of thousands) of guns are sent for repairs every year, but no one ever uses their guns, roughly, according to this bozo.

>>64165548
Yes because that’s definitely the quality they’re putting out in current year, with each generation having progressively worse QC

>>64165624
The Bodyguard 2.0 is impressive. Their 5.7 is interesting. The 9mm M&Ps are just a sad Glock clone for new shooters who convinced themselves they didn't want a Glock after reading a few internet posts.

>>64165185 (OP)
I would lean towards the S&W M&P 5.7

>>64165632
99% of 9mm pistols you will encounter in the wild will be in functional condition.

>>64165185 (OP)
so i am going to make one simple clear case of importance of the weapon you choose in your bugout bag, and it's extremely simple to follow. in a bugout you're expecting an emergency, imagine like a flood, a global pandemic, or just running from police, the most common handgun rounds are 22lr, 9mm, 40, 45acp. lesser common are in order, 380, 5.7, .38 they exist, but if there is a global issue as far as handguns are concerned you should stick with the most commons because the center fire 9mm will be more available than take for example a .50 AE. and rimfire of handguns being .22lr. however for rifles that is different, 5.56 nato is one of the top three rifle rounds so anything chambered in that is a good round, obviously if you're thinking hunting, things like .308 and .300 are better for that.
>>64165558
wrong. i could extend the answer, but you haven't a clue, hush boy.

>>64165633
Gen 5 Glocks are widely regarded as being the best so far. Quality might slip in the future but it hasn't yet.

>>64165193
>>64165392

Holy shit LOL. There's ass clowns like this who believe that the end of the world is like their video games. Havent you ever played a single multiplayer game in your life bozo? You get killed INSTANTLY. Either from an angle you werent aware of. By a better player than you. Or by your own dumb choices against another noob. Life is ironically the same way in this regard. You'd be lucky to rack up more than 2 kills before someone else "ruins your killstreak". I'd argue guns and ammo would actually be rather fucking useless in a SHTF in America. Everyone here is armed.

Liberals, Nigs, Spics, Chinks, meth heads, blue collar hard working Americans and the rich. They're all armed in the USA. There are more guns and ammo in the USA than there are adults. No one will be trading for guns and ammo because they are absolutely everywhere. Maybe right away when the issues start, perhaps some dumb liberal/lefty who believed "le guns are bad", might trade some of their supplies for a hi-point and box of ammo from a neighbor. But those people (who are an overwhelmingly small minority) will get armed pretty fast and then stay armed for the remainder of the SHFT. It's so expected for someone else to be armed in America that you'd be dumb to break into a house that has a sun bleached "Kamala/Biden" sign and not expect lead.

Everyone will have in their homes guns and ammo. What one or two ARs would have sufficed to defend a home, you'll have retards suburbia with 100k worth of tactical gear and guns thinking Fallout New Vegas and Stalker with infinite lives, respawns, and medpaks is about to happen. What everyone will be low on however, is food and water. And sure, you can try killing for it. Some retards will try. And they'll get smoked sooner rather than later and so will you if that's how you think you'll survive. I'll take redneck bill hiding in his property with his deer rifle over OP and his 5.7 bugout pistol.

>>64165655
In what situation are you going to be scavenging for ammo and not also find guns?

>>64165653
same with .22lr and .45's. there will likely be some 40's too, of course in a real world ending scenario i figure rifles as well, but depending on what the event is it could become a thing of black powder and lead balls again.

>>64165646
I disagree, an out of the box M&P is just better than an out of the box Glock, and I say this having shot plenty of both. Better grip, better ergos, better takedown, better mags, and better looks. The only thing Glock really has on it is aftermarket parts which is fine if you’re going full Gucci but at that point just buy something better to begin with

>>64165666
So then what's your bugout strategy in case you have to flee your home like I did last year during hurricane Helene? Carry a non-concealable weapon and 15 pounds of ammunition?

>>64165667
i only have a few guns, if i get killed on the street they will have most of my guns, but not tons of ammo, i only carry two mags per firearm. one loaded into the firearm and one loaded in a pocket. i have cases of ammo at my house mostly for target shooting.

>>64165669
Yes. That's why I'm skeptical of the idea that your survival gun should use the most common cartridge rather than use the lightest cartridge. For 300 rounds 5.7 would shave 4 pounds off of your load compared to 9mm. That's the equivalent an entire 3 season sleep gear system. In backpacking figures even 4 ounces is considered significant.

>>64165671
And yet. Every single time a pro shooter wins in steel challenge, uspsa, idpa, etc. It's always with a pretty much stock glock. Not an M&P, not a Walther, not a CZ... but with a stock Glock. And these pro shooters who shoot for a living all say the Glocks grip angle is conducive to recoil control.

But you're kinda right, funnily enough. For clowns like you who can't shoot. It doesn't matter either way. You'll never put enough rounds through a gun to where it makes a difference whether the gun is a Glock or M&P so might as well go with what you "think" is best so you can have peace of mind

>>64165671
couldn't agree more, glocks are shit. but i will also make a point of saying that M&P are mid tier handguns not a bad thing due to their price and if you want a higher tier firearm i'd recommend a nice rock island .45 1911. but only if you're deciding to move up a few calibers but down on the ammo chances.

>>64165671
Glock trigger and accuracy is better and they can survive a steady diet of +p+, just for starters. The grip angle of a Glock is perfect for people who actually use a firm grip and proper recoil control form. That's why it's designed that way. Most other pistols are designed for entry level shooters and street cops.

>>64165681
So then how is me carrying a common-cartridge gun going to help me when I find other common-cartridge guns on your carcass but not ammo?

>>64165685
lol, that's tarded, and the reason i say that is 9mm is likely twenty times as common as 5.7. so let's play a game shall we? i die, someone else takes my guns, but not my ammo from my house because they don't know where i live, but you specifically stumble onto my house, the ammo you're going to find is going to be what exactly? and since there are few or no guns AT the house due to the event that befell us, are you going to try to shoot a .22 in 5.7? how about a 9mm? these are the most common and what i have.

>>64165689
There is nothing better than a Glock except MAYBE Walther. Some pistols are nearly as good, a few are as good, almost nothing is better.

>>64165579
It's 24-28oz loaded depending on ammo. It's lighter.

The trigger is pretty good.

>>64165655
>you haven't a clue, hush boy.
Lol youre larping about scavenging ammo meanwhile I've got a handgun that's as quiet as 22lr and is nvg compatible. Cry more.

>>64165698
I'm sure I'll find a 9mm pistol laying around before I blow through 300 rounds of 5.7.

>>64165695
so the guy i just replied to, read this response.
>>64165698
>>64165700
lol, boy you'e stupid. pic related

>>64165673
If I HAVE to leave my home because of a centralized storm. Lets be honest... it's not a true shtf scenario where the kind of gun and ammo I have even matter. A simple CCW pistol would suffice as would everyday. How many CCW people had to use their guns... or better yet, were outgunned by roving bands of killer rapists on their way out of katrina? The answer is none.

In a true SHTF scenario I'm not bugging out. But if I had to for whatever made up reason, then I'm taking my long arms and so will the rest of my family and neighbors.

>>64165702
Why can't you spend 3 seconds googling before posting? The weights for these pistols are listed right on the manufacturer's websites.

>>64165688
I would absolutely love if you had evidence to back that up

>>64165708
You can find tons of pictures of Glocks and other pistols destroyed by ridiculous reloads and shitty modifications.

>>64165673
Cool someone actually thinking. That's why I moved to 5.7 exclusively over 9mm. I wanted a gun I could use under nods and be as quiet as possible if necessary but be useable as a concealable defensive pistol if needed.

People who haven't evacuated have no clue. I did take my ar but I left all my ammo sans 3 mags back at home and stuffed it in a duffle bag in my truck. The loadouts these guys claim aren't viable in real world situations.

Basically if your entite life doesn't fit into a pelican air it isn't coming when you actually have an evacuation order due to a hurricane issued in the middle of the night.

>>64165712
Then you'll be killed almost instantly or arrested by UN forces

>>64165702
>I've got a handgun that's as quiet as 22lr
not relevant, no one cares how loud or quiet your firearm is, and you're missing the point, the point is we just lived through a global pandemic where ammo manufacturing stopped, and did you notice the prices on ammo? .22lr was the cheapest one, all across the board, 9mm standard target ammo, second least expensive, but 9mm defensive rounds? much higher, and 5.7? insanely high, even .380 was extremely high compared to the standards of .22, 9mm target, and .45 target. what that means is there is less of that ammo. so if you have a for example .380 handgun, don't bugout bag it, it's worthless.

>>64165713
I don't need to Google it I literally just put my gun on my scale.

Let me guess you used the AI curated data? Yeah they're wrong. So are the people regurgitating it in their paid shilling I mean "reviews" of the gun.

>>64165720
My rule is simple: my bugout system must allow me to blend in with a crowd of people lining up for water and not draw attention from nervous cops who have no more information about the situation than I do. I knew this before Helene, and I was proven right.

>>64165718
that's what we call a cope. vid related, boy.

>>64165727
Ruger is 22 ounces without magazine

FN is 21 ounces

End of story

i dunno. i found conversational skills worked in all of my situations whether thug at atm terminal or bug out. .380 in pocket .45 in waist. you dance with what you bring. glock, s&w, wtf ever will not matter. head on a swivel shit wins every fuckin time and alot without bloodshed.

>>64165725
>Global pandemic
LMAO. Being quiet while evacuating is crucial. Best defense is to completely avoid bad areas. NVG + suppressed pistol is what does that.

>It cost a bunch and wasn't available
Cost doesn't matter. You're NOT going to be blowing through hundreds of rounds of ammo in a defensive gun. If you can go to the range on the weekend the shit hasn't hit the fan. Simple as. All that matters is that you have a stash and can use it to get you to a safer spot.

If you want a MK4 tactical suppressed I'm all for it but saying 5.7 doesn't offer advantages over 9mm is stupid.

Put it bluntly, how many people did you kill during the global pandemic and how much ammo did you scavenge? Exactly, fuck all. You were just like the rest of us clicking buy and ship on gun gear. Meanwhile people who've actually evacuated are telling you stockpiles and caliber commonality don't matter.

>>64165734
I have never seen a credible account of a stock Glock exploding with factory ammo, except for a few of the first 40SW guns back in the early 90s, and every manufacturer had the same problem. What I have heard are countless reports of people shooting their Glocks with tens of thousands of rounds of +p ammo without issue.

>>64165751
I purchased my five seven during COVID so ammo was absolutely available btw.

>>64165741
ruger has tens of millions of rounds you can get or scavenge for, FN has maybe hundreds of thousands. but yeah while you're running dry you can tell me how great your FN is compared to my .22
>>64165753
you watched the webm? that was it, right there, stock glock, standard .22lr rounds, stop coping and come to reality, son.
>>64165751
being quiet isn't a requirement, it may be smarter than being loud, but the point you're ignoring is the amount of ammo you have access too, and if you can only scavenge three rounds while i can scavenge thousands, you're gonna likely die first.

>>64165653
and yet, in a crisis where dumb and underprepared people are doing desperate things like mob violence, and poaching. It is likely that any firearm you loot off a corpse (who probably looted it from a different corpse) will be in worse condition than the guns you own and maintain, like I said in >>64165392. We've gone full circle, you retard.

>>64165666
>Everyone here is armed.
Correct, you illiterate fuck. Which is why I recommended in >>64165392 to arm yourself with something dependable now rather than relying on loot from your corpses. You typed out all that drivel to end up agreeing with me.

>>64165688
>Every single time a pro shooter wins in steel challenge, uspsa, idpa, etc. It's always with a pretty much stock glock.
You're about 2 decades behind on events. Now they are using S&W M&Ps, Caniks, Walther PDPs, Springfields, etc. BTW, those Glocks were never stock; they had aftermarket triggers, barrels, and sights. IDPA had to make a separate league for stock guns because they kept losing to race guns.

In 2023's IDPA world championship, we saw the guy in pic (Austin Proulx) win the compact carry division with a 2011. Your move, retard.

>>64165753
>I have never seen a credible account of a stock Glock exploding with factory ammo
Ask any gunsmith; all it takes is bullet setback. The same bullet gets loaded and unloaded into a gun and every time the projectile gets set back a bit until one day it is no longer safe, and the person hasn't noticed yet.

>>64165714
Simple. I follow the top guys in every division of practical shooting sports because I also compete in said sports. Recently we had Brantley Merrian place 4th with a stock Glock competing in LO, which is a division meant for $5,000 double stack 1911s like Atlas, Limcats, and Infinities.

Dave Sevigny also won the championships with a stock Glock. Bob Vogel won against arguably the best shooter ever (Eric Grauffel who was using a custom race gun Tangfolio), while using his Glock 35 duty pistol in .40S&w in his duty holster, not even a race holster.

The best Steel Challenge shooter to ever live (whos also a border patrol agent) competed with his duty pistol (a Glock). Broke a world record in his division. Won 1st in his division. And came in 2nd overall. Only a fraction of a second slower than KC Esubio who took 1st place in Open with a $10,000 handgun.

There's other countless examples with guys like Taran Butler, Gabe White, etc. The glock punches way above it's weight. No other polymer handgun has come close to seeing the amount of success that Glock has in competition. And competitors can choose anything they want. Whenever someone wins with a striker fired polymer handgun it's usually with a Glock statistically speaking. Funnily enough, the exception to this for a while was the X5 Legion before rumors made everyone abandon the P320

>>64165771
>ruger has tens of millions of rounds you can get or scavenge for, FN has maybe hundreds of thousands. but yeah while you're running dry you can tell me how great your FN is compared to my .22

We are comparing the Ruger 5.7 to the FN 5.7, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

>you watched the webm? that was it, right there, stock glock, standard .22lr rounds, stop coping and come to reality, son.

Show me data on glock explosions per x units vs any other manufacturer. I don't care about some 4chan webm.

>>64165721
You think the UN would leave some dude alone walking with his bugout bag? They'll stop you, search you, and throw you in a fema camp

>>64165771
You're ammo "access" is dependent upon encountering armed or recently deceased people and stealing their possessions.

It's a fantasy where you get killed.

Meanwhile my plan is to literally have enough to drive to where I want to be and avoid interaction with armed individuals I don't know.

You're the dead one here.

>>64165788
Yes, if there are hundreds of such people in one area

>>64165783
my apologies, i misread and thought you were talking about a ruger chambered in .22lr.
>>64165791
>Meanwhile my plan is to literally have enough to drive to where I want to be and avoid interaction with armed individuals I don't know.
stop your reddit spacing, but to make a point, cars will run out of gas as well, and ever see zombieland? or any zombie movie, most people will likely be smart enough to pull off to the side, but at some point the roads will run out of room.

>>64165185 (OP)
>le booger loo shtflgbtq gun
>picks a potmetal 22 ZOGbot
>not using a gen 3 glock 19

>>64165776
>You're about 2 decades behind on events. Now they are using S&W M&Ps, Caniks, Walther PDPs, Springfields, etc. BTW, those Glocks were never stock; they had aftermarket triggers, barrels, and sights. IDPA had to make a separate league for stock guns because they kept losing to race guns.

In 2023's IDPA world championship, we saw the guy in pic (Austin Proulx) win the compact carry division with a 2011. Your move, retard.

We're talking about polymer striker fired pistols bozo. Of course a 2011 is capable of winning a shooting competition because those guns were literally race guns first and foremost.

And yes you're right. You're seeing people competing with different guns nowadays. And they're not winning with these other guns with the exception of Nils who won with a Canik. Funnily enough, if Nils didnt win with a Canik, the ONLY guy to win with a Canik, no one would be talking about that junk gun that you can see everyone on forums complanining about being unreliable turkish junk.

I'm not denying there's other good polymer striker fired pistols in the market. But when people say glock sucks, they're saying that the number 1 chosen gun for reliability and recoil control in competition sucks. Which goes to show they don't know what they're talking about.

>>64165806
Lol you're just rambling because your scavenger plan is pure fantasy cope. Embarrassing.

>>64165800
Wrong. They'll have drones flying about. Try to keep up with the times gramps. This isn't gonna be a mountain main DayZ fantasy scenario. They'll can the ever living fuck outta you and they'll know you have a gun on your bag. Most likely a registered gun owner on some file as well.

>>64165806
Glock official armorer manual states to not use ammunition above 43,500psi. +P is only 38,500psi. It is literally the most non-explody handgun you can buy and designed from the ground up to handle NATO submachine gun ammo. Cherry picking a few photos of retards who managed to ruin their gun does not change that, especially when we're talking about a gun with millions upon millions of units in circulation.

>>64165823
well and to be very honest, if there was a nuke situation for example, i'd walk into the mushroom clouds. the only reason to have a bugout bag is if the orange child raping president of the US or anyone else goes full dictator and you need to get out.

>>64165810
op is a retard and noguns he doesnt know

>>64165832
>glocks are going to say blah blah blah, garbage, blah, garbage.
look, at least you faggots aren't sig, but no one cares about your bullshit, glocks are shit and explode, cope, seethe, dialate.

>>64165825
Okay well then I'll try to avoid some kind of mass arrest situation and benefit by not having a long gun slow me down.

>>64165688
>say the Glocks grip angle is conducive to recoil control.
Yeah, IF you shoot thousands of rounds of ammunition every year in practice. For everyone else it's a weird gun with shitty ergonomics that requires re-training in order to teach one's self to change muscular memory in order to get used to the different grip angle.

>>64165825
When I was at Publix in Weaverville I literally saw a guy with an AR-15 being interrogated by police while all the other normal unarmed people were inside racing to get the last can of Hormel chili. That was the moment I knew that my SHTF strategy was valid and yours was bullshit. I've been debating this for years and I was fortunate enough to actually be proven right through experience.

>>64165840
How much more likely is a Glock to explode than any other 9mm? Post data and sources.

>>64165833
>9mm is better than 5.7
No it isn't
>Yeah well Trump's a pedophile
Don't care. Belongs on /pol/. Still voting Trump.

>>64165866
>likes globohomo 22
>supports pedos
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>64165776
>I have never seen a credible account of a stock Glock exploding with factory ammo
>Ask any gunsmith; all it takes is bullet setback. The same bullet gets loaded and unloaded into a gun and every time the projectile gets set back a bit until one day it is no longer safe, and the person hasn't noticed yet.
BTW this isn't necessarily a Glock problem as much as it is an ammo problem, but Glocks are not immune to being harmed by this, no handgun is.

>>64165781
>Simple. I follow the top guys in every division of practical shooting sports because I also compete in said sports. Recently we had Brantley Merrian place 4th with a stock Glock competing in LO
Fourth place? So he lost? LOL
>Bob Vogel won
Aftermarket trigger, not a stock Glock.

>>64165813
>We're talking about polymer striker fired pistols bozo. Of course a 2011 is capable of winning a shooting competition because those guns were literally race guns first and foremost.
So a Glock with a lower bore axis and a grip angle you fanboys can't shut up about lost to a gun with a higher bore axis and a supposedly worse grip angle. Good to know you're admitting it's irrelevant.

Keep in mind, I don't care if you carry a gun. They're fine. It's the shameless and pointless fanboying I'm calling out.
>Canik
>turkish junk.
We can agree on that, but plenty of guns are being used, and we have seen polymer guns that aren't Glocks win. To claim otherwise is a lie.

>>64165832
>It is literally the most non-explody handgun you can buy and designed from the ground up to handle NATO submachine gun ammo.
I hate to be that guy, but USP 9mm can too.

>>64165866
9mm is undeniably more effective than 5.7 but it's TWICE as heavy. People always forget that in these discussions. As someone who hikes and camps alot the physical weight of a cartridge is a really big deal. My favorite tent only weighs about 3 pounds, that translates to only 108 rounds of 9mm, not even including magazines.

>>64165781
>Brantley
He uses a trigger drop in kit and a weighted plug

> Sevigny
Got stippling and new sights

>Steel Challenge Shooter
Can’t confirm because you didn’t include a name

>Taran
Notoriously used a Gucci Glock

Literally every famous Glock shooter gets either new sights (because stock Glock sights suck ass), a stipple job (because stock Glock grips suck ass) and/or a trigger kit (because stock Glock triggers are nothing special)

>>64165885
Basically if it doesn't fit in a pelican air 1535 it's probably not coming with me on an evacuation. Been there done that. I keep it on top of my safe pre packed with space for pre packed valuables I keep in my safe. All I have to do is open it and throw in some bags and I'm gone. Family has their go bags ready to go next to the safe too.

>>64165921
And this is just the information I was able to find with a couple google searches, and disregarding that Glock only recently started making optics ready stock pistols which both makes their garbage ass sights irrelevant and means that every competition Glock you’ve seen with a dot before then has been by definition modified so it can support a dot

>>64165948
I couldn't imagine trying to carry a case like that instead of a backpack.

>>64165957
A Glock doesn't need anything except some tennis racket grip wrap unless you're competing at a high level.

Bone stock G19 in a good holster and as much factory ammo as you can reasonably carry.

>>64165966
>A Glock doesn't need anything except some tennis racket grip wrap
It doesn't need that either.

>>64165963
All my evacuations involved driving.

Hi OP. Ruger 5.7 owner here. I have shot the FN 5.7 and the Ruger 5.7 and the sights are better on the Ruger 5.7. However, after extensively shooting it I found that the case/neck separation of the 5.7 cartridge in the gun just shooting it regularly made me second guess ever using it over a 9mm for a SHTF scenario. Ruger directly told me that it was not uncommon the 5.7 pistols to get jammed because of case/neck separation with the ammo. I had Speer Gold Dots do it. I was very unhappy with that.

If I was dead set on a 5.7 I would still get the Ruger over the FN just because of the sights. The sights are way better on the Ruger.

>>64165986
>Bone stock G19 in a good holster and as much factory ammo as you can reasonably carry.

That's my current go-to for essentially everything. I was really into the G34MOS for a while, but I've come to accept I can't really shoot it any more accurately than the 19.

>It doesn't need that either.

I put Wilson tennis grips on every single tool and weapon I own. You should try them.

>>64165997
Well that sucks

>>64165997
I've never had separation with the 5.7. sounds like ruger is pushing garbage guns.

>>64166012
Unfortunately, it also impacts FN guns.

https://www.fnforum.net/threads/5-7-case-neck-separation.226339/

>>64165988
If you can get gas then you're not in a real disaster. In Helene I was stranded in a McDonald's parking lot for three days and there wasn't an operational gas station in like a 50 mile radius.

>>64165988
Even if you have a full tank you will waste it all just probing escape routes and idling in traffic only to turn around because the road is destroyed. You can drive 400 miles and get nowhere.

>>64166007
Yeah. Sorry man. We saw case/neck separation with Speer Gold Dot, and FN ammo and Federal American eagle.

>>64165721
>UN forces
The ultimate prepper fantasy is plinking blue helmets. By the time the UN is running anything, local militias will have taken over long ago.

>>64166090
"Blue helmets" is a just a placeholder term for any given power vacuum filler, including militias. Most likely it will be local law enforcement that may be even worse than actual blue helmets. Either way, it should be a hard rule that anything non-concealable stays in your car or stays home.

>>64166018
>Multiple reloads
Non issue.
>>64166019
>Katrina and Ike were fake disasters
Good to know. Point is I leave in a vehicle first. I have backpacks if I need to use them but it's not realistic for a family which I why I don't discuss it much since it's be a last resort scenario.

>>64166027
No what happens is they open all lanes one direction and you idle for 8hrs. I've been through this multiple times now.

What you're describing happened because dumb mayors ordered people who wouldn't get flooded in a 100 year event to evacuate when they didn't need to. We've got regulations to prevent that from happening now so while the traffic sucks it isn't like what it was.

For someone so confident you don't have much knowledge on the subject nor first hand experience.

>>64166128
Nope impacts factory new FN ammo too

>>64166135
Never seen it myself and I shoot a lot.

>>64165753
The 22lr ones sploded for the first generation as well for anybody retarded enough to buy it. If anybody is retarded enough to compare a 22lr to an edc, they're absolutely retarded though. See example of retard >>64165771

>>64165185 (OP)
I own a m&p 5.7, it has a much nicer trigger and less felt recoil than the ruger. the trade off is the s&w is ugly as sin.

>>64166141
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nzHhS6D2EQ8

>>64166186
Wow that's crazy. Id definitely avoid the Ruger and get the M&P then since it looks like a blowback issue.

>>64166200
It can happen in any 5.7 gun including the S&W and FN pistols because it's the brass stretching. The solution is to not use 5.7 guns. Unfortunately.

>>64166209
The video you brought up states otherwise.

is 5.7 even good for self defense against unarmored targets?

>>64166225
NTA, but nowhere in the video does it state that its only a problem with the Ruger. Only that he thinks it might be a blowback issue with his gun (that is not a Ruger 5.7).

Case head separation is usually something only reloaders reusing the same brass 5-10 times have to worry about (as you'll see in the video I'm posting). The fact that it's happening with factory 5.7 ammo means there might be a serious issue with the chamber itself or with the brass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-2_NOSFcNY

>>64166230
Honestly, if you're using 40gr hollow points, then it's almost as good as 9mm. 9mm hollowpoints are better, but the difference is small. Considering how many people trust their lives to .380 ACP and .32 ACP I wouldn't fret over it. If you want one, then get one. I don't want one, so I won't get one.

>>64166297
Yeah the M&P 5.7 used a different system from the Ruger, FN and the PSA

>>64166128
Regardless I still think a hard sided attache with such poor carrying characteristics is a bad choice as a general purpose bugout bag. Maybe good for an expanded supply kit you can throw in your car if you have time with extra food and stuff.

>>64166366
It's not a bugout bag. It's a carry on case with everything I need to go to an air BNB in a safe area which is all my SHTFs have ever involved. You're mistaking your fantasy with my reality again.

You should try a carry on case. Super comfy going into and out of hotels and you don't look like a nutter carrying a hiking backpack, or worse, military pack around.

>>64165734
>.22lr glock
guarantee it was ammo. Same as 10mm glocks having issues because everyone makes their 10mm too hot

>>64165185 (OP)
Glorified varmint caliber and Ruger a shit. M&P is far superior.

>>64166424
>guarantee it was ammo
It was a .22 lmao, people don't reload cheap low performance rimfire...

>>64166460
but cheap rimfire that falls apart does exist

>>64166111
I agree actually. I think that less visually 'dangerous' long guns would be preferable to black rifles. Law enforcement is accustomed to seeing ar platforms. A guy walking around with an old bolt action hunting rifle slung over his should is definitely lower on their radar than someone with full combat kit. There is an argument to be made for each approach. Regarding the 5.7 debate, I really like how thin the S&W gun is. If you have to conceal something, very thin and good mag capacity are pretty important points to consider.

lol doesnt Ruger themselves say that the Ruger 5.7 is not duty rated? Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say about your gun?

>>64165881
Nope. Bob Vogels trigger was stock. He's known for being a dude using stock triggers on glocks. Not a single aftermarket part for the trigger.

And yeah. Brantley Merriam lost to 2011s, but again my low IQ critical thinking skills lacking friend, the discussion is about the best polymer striker fired gun. And that continues to be the Glock. No other polymer gun comes close to touching 2011s except Glocks

>>64166491
>doesnt Ruger themselves say that the Ruger 5.7 is not duty rated?
Do they?

>>64166535
it might have been when they put out a statement about some Ruger 5.7 safety levers being defective

>>64165921
Absolutely everyone in competition modifies their gun, glock or not. Saying someone modifies their glock a little bit as an argument against glock is so fucking disingenous considering how much everyone modifies their gun regardless of what it is. Sights aren't even worth mentioning since everyone uses a dot nowadays but...

>walther: recoil spring assembly changed. Sights are the exact same as Glocks so they "need" to be changed. Internal spring changed. Lighter after market "pro" trigger instead of the regular standard trigger. stippling and/or grip tape job. Many people have grounded down the top beavertail portion of the PDP because it's so fat and prevents a high grip

>M&p: change trigger. No real ability to choose a magwell without losing the ability to use the regular baseplates. As a matter of fact you're stuck using a specific manufacturers baseplates. Barrel known as being innacurate. So aftermarket barrel very common upgrade for M&Ps

>shadow 2 and berettas: do I really need to list every part that gets changed with these? Moreso than a gucci Glock even lol

And the fact remains. Many pretty much stock Glocks are rocking in competition and you can't say the same for other types of guns with one turkshit Canik as the exception that people bought thinking it would make them as good as Nils and then instantly regreted their purchase when they saw how cheap and unreliable their Canik was.

>>64166556
>it might have been
So again, do they?

>>64166230
looks fine to me

>>64166557
Thank you for so obviously moving goal posts to prove my point. We are talking about out of the box which is better. Every change made to a Glock is to make it more like an M&P, the only change “needed” for an M&P is a trigger which is also the most common change in a Glock. Because they have the same trigger weight (approx 5.5lbs). With a Glock you also NEED stippling/grip tape, either new sights or optics, after market mags because Glock mags are cheap shit, and until just recently a custom slide to mount optics just to equal an out of box M&P. Garand Thumb has also done adverse condition tests that the M&P passed where Glock’s failed.

Face it, Glocks are overpriced and get used on brand name recognition alone because they sold them cheap to police departments.

>Glucks have more accurate barrels
Hope you have a source

>>64166556
Are you the same shill who is defending the sig circumsizer?
>P320= your penis is left 3, 2, or 0 inches long.

>>64166566
well, probably, if they couldnt make a proper safety lever

>>64166627
You are truly a nigger.

>>64166516
>Bob Vogels trigger was stock.
He's won stock in the past but he does not always compete stock; he's won custom and enhanced divisions with his Glock with a trigger job. By the way, did you hear he was arrested this year for creating CP, he was probably a /b/ tard.
>the discussion is about the best polymer striker fired gun and that...
... is the Walther PDP. That being said, I know you're emotionally attached to a gun that couldn't even outperform a SIG P320; keep using it if you like. Your feelings are not facts though.

>>64165193
>expensive as fuck.
Didn't I just see Fiocchi for $20/50? How is that eaf?

>>64166516
>>64166636
BTW sorry for posting twice, but the discussion is actually about which is the best 5.7 handgun one can buy right now. You Glock fanboys just chose to make everything about yourselves. Keep coping though.

>>64166424
again, you're making pathetic copes :oooh, but the ammo must have been, but the ammoo, buh wut about." dude, it's the shitty gun, grow up.

>>64166618
idk even know what this is referencing

>>64166557
>Many pretty much stock Glocks are rocking in competition
lol no they aren't
>recoil spring change
>barrels known for being inaccurate
>barrels known for blowing up
>improper grip angles
>change change out x on mags without changing entire polymer grip
all the things you nitpicked other guns on literally is the same or worse with glocks. see pic related.

>>64166667
it's not different at all from you sitting on your fatass and watching a couple videos instead of shooting hundreds of rounds through a glock with zero issues. I bet that one time you shot a glock you blamed the jam on the gun instead of your chubby wrist. You have no "evidence" of glocks sucking because you dont shoot guns at all...

>>64166628
at least im not a ruger

>>64166686
lol, unlike you i have shot thousands of rounds through guns, glocks are the single shittiest on the market aside from sig, i want you to absorb these words because it is important, even hi-points are better. consider that.

>>64166694
>>64166698
Are you 1 guy?

>>64166704
nope, no idea why those two are arguing about rugers. i am talking about how glocks are known as the second word gun on the market aside from a sig p320, even hi-points are better.

>>64166708
What was your first language?

>>64166728
English. been drinking. worst gun, happy?

>>64166111
What about the national guard?

>>64166698
absolute bullshit post your glock and sig now hahaha

>>64166731
>English. been drinking.
That's a lie. Post a GLAWK with a timestamp alongside your favorite gun.

>>64166751
you can cry all you want, but it doesn't change reality, boy.

glockfags are akin to apple fagbois. they will aggressively defend their absolute garbage gun if anyone says the truth about them. i find it hilarious to be honest.

>>64166756
wait that's not yours... there must have been a misunderstanding

>>64166776
Glock is the in-n-out of pistols, not great, not terrible. Anything worse than it is shit, anything better will be fantastic. While overrated, it's still a solid option for the vast majority of people. Nowadays I'd recommend an RXM to a newfag, a gucci modded glock for $200 less than a stock one is one hell of a deal.

>>64166682
Dude, nobody changes the recoil spring on a Glock, it is the most reliable and longest lasting recoil spring in any handgun.

Glock 9mm barrels can do 1" at 25 yards and have never exploded except a few early 40SW guns with reloads back when every 40SW was a grenade.

The grip angle perfectly aligns the sight plane to the eye with a firm grip and an aggressive forward stance for recoil control.

Nobody changes anything on a Glock mag.

Every single thing you said was wrong and retarded beyond belief. You're literally just making stuff up.

>>64166731
Half the guns in these pictures have aftermarket barrels

>>64166682
>>64166708
>>64166731

You people can never ever share any data or sources. All you can do is spew blatantly false information and post the same handful of photos of guns ruined by customization and handloads that have been floating around on the internet for years. Meanwhile Glock continues to sell millions of units and see heavy use in competition and law enorcement around the world and to be the #1 most recommend self defense weapon by instructors and experts. You should be embarrassed by how full of shit you are.

>>64167985
>Stop insulting the heckin wholesome multimillion dollar company or I'll downvote you!

>>64168309
>heckin wholesome multimillion dollar company
most reddit thing i've read today

>>64168311
>glocksucker is a retarded sperg that cant understand humor
many such cases

>>64166731
Squibs or Bubba's special load?

>>64168318
>reddit h*mor

>>64168381
>defends globohomo like a redditor
>reee u r reddit not me
hmm, why are all glocktards like this?

>>64168309
Every single claim that you make is false

>>64168399
>glock
>globohomo
look, the schizo's talking!

>>64168426
>>64168427
>t.future glocknade victim

>>64168431
only if they use a kkm barrel, who would've thought using a match barrel with ultra tight tolerances isn't a good idea with pissin hawt buffalo bore. regular glock barrels are fine doe

>>64168431
Millions of people shoot thousands of rounds through Glocks every year. You can't just go around making up lies that everyone knows are false from personal experience. That's a very stupid thing to do.

>>64165666
>söyjak
Didn't read

>>64168434
No ammunition manufacturer in existence even makes ammo that exceededs the safe pressure limit stated in the official Glock armorer manual. The idea of a stock Glock exploding is laughable. It cannot happen unless you make a careless mistake handloading and simultaneously use shitty aftermarket parts.

>>64165185 (OP)
>ammo is half the weight of 9mm
citation needed, its closer to 2/3rds.
>>64165209
so you carry around two pistols until you run out of looted ammo ?

>>64168537
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/04/09/how-much-does-your-ammunition-weigh/

5.7 with 40 grain bullets is precisely half the weight of 9mm 147 grain.

5.7 is a gimmick round. i'd get a gimmick gun to shoot it, like the PSA Rock

>>64165185 (OP)
I dunno about the thinly veiled murder/suicide fantasy that is inherent in shtf preppers; but I like my ruger 57 a lot.

>>64169212
My SHTF weapon philosophy is to just have an accurate but lightweight pistol system that gives me maximum mobility, the ability to blend in with crowds and not draw attention to myself, the ability to defend myself, to have a basic level of close-range hunting capability similar to archery performance, and to be able to survive this way for up to a year without a resupply opportunity. A good full size 9mm basically achieves that but 5.7 remains interesting.

>>64165747
I do need to improve my conversationap ability. Higher situational awareness is also a point of concern, but I try.

>>64169365
>hunting
Best bet is learning about the small meals, learning the wonders of the eternal stew, cleanliness, trading and growing trade crops. Small cal weapons will matter less than the outdoor survival skills and building for the new future as you still have the calories to do so.

>>64170009
I've been balls deep in all manner of survival skills for 20 years. Being able to consistently shoot a turkey in the kill zone from 25 yards with a concealed carry pistol is just one small facet of this.

>>64168322
glock. that's the point.

>>64168454
so, basically base glocks are shit and explode, thanks for proving my point.

>>64169365
>A good full size 9mm basically achieves that but 5.7 remains interesting.
Now imagine being able to take squirrel sized game with subsonic 5.7 which approximate 22lr. That's why I dropped 9mm.

It's a great survival caliber.

>>64170528
survival of what exactly?

>>64170542
Backwoods hiking. Look into "kit guns" and survival rifles made for the USAF.

>>64170634
well the reason i ask is because op was asking more about a SHTF type gun, and so many oblivious people on here believe there will be more 5.7 ammo around then there really is. that being said, innawoods? .45ACP, you're not going to need plate penetration against a bear or a mountain lion.

>>64165185 (OP)
I would say use the money you would spend on a 5.7mm handgun and use it one a small PDW like a Flux Raider. You'd get more use out of that in the lead up SHTF (SHTF will not be one day everything is ok then the next chaos). You will have to go to work during this partial collapse and potentially fight small gangs trying to ice you for your inflated away money. One of those easily concealable PDWs will work better than any handgun for that kinda situation because it has a stock/brace.

>>64170508
how many of these are from noobs and how many are from police departments

>>64171344
45ACP is almost twice as heavy as 9mm. 300 rounds by themselves with no magazines would weigh as much as two gallons of water.

Is this nigga serious about denying the glocksplosion? The Glock's uniquely shit chamber support is a big factor; the way it interacts with a spent casing is even named the Glock Bulge.

>>64170634
>Backwoods hiking
>I need muh zog 22 for muh survival
Schizo survival faggots like yourutally and completely mogged by the average normalfag hiker, the absolute state of 57 shills

>>64172611
>zog 22
wut

>>64172536
>"You don't need 300 rounds of fuddy-five, sonny. Each fuddy-five round is the equivalent of 2.15 9mm so carrying 140 rounds of fuddy-five is the same as 300 rounds of 9mm.

>>64172536
i am talking about for bears or the like, not for SHTF, in SHTF i am talking about 9mm and .22lr

>>64165185 (OP)
I like my Five-seveN

>>64174923
You don't know what kit guns are which is why you're talking about boat anchors for bear defense. 5.7 would mog any bear skull anyway

>>64169184
pic related
>>64175028
>I like my Five-seveN
i like having an extra 1,000$ in my account

>>64177055
>i like having an extra 1,000$ in my account
If you don't spend it on a five-seven, you'll spend it on something else. Money has a fancy way of disappearing.

>>64165734
>>64166424
it was a squib load
if you go frame by frame you can see the puff of smoke in the first shots
then the shot before there is no puff
when he fired again you can see the squib get hit and all the smoke come out of the ejection port, not the muzzle
is there an audio version?

>>64165881
I've had more bullet setback on cheap .45 FMJ from my 1911 than I have from my Glock 19. I've only had a single brand of 9mm experience setback on my from repeat chamberings, and it was Nosler 115gr JHP, about every five rounds I'd get setback after one chambering. I now carry Hornady FTX 124gr, no setback whatsoever. It isn't just an ammo issue, but also a gun issue if you have a gun with a steep ass feed ramp AND use shitty ammo.

>>64166592
Gen 5 Glocks have probably the best stock Glock trigger out of all of them. Not performance center grade, but better than stock for gens 1 -4. You don't need stippling or grip tape if you don't have soft ass femboy hands, or just get a gen 4 or 5, you know, one with ACTUAL texture on the grips? Almost all aftermarket mags suck compared to factory mags, and the ones that don't suck are more expensive than factory mags anyway. All I did to my Glock was put new sights on it, and a Surefire X300U. Everything else is stock.

>>64166636
The Glock 19X objectively did outperform the M17, and the M18 wasn't even tested. The Glock 19X was, however, more expensive than the M17.

source: the United States Army.

>>64166575
This has a whole lot more to do with the fact that it was a VMax than whatever caliber it was. Picrel was a 5.56 53gr VMax. Fucker dropped straight down, no exit wound

>>64166460
buddy, you clearly haven't shot a 15 year old brick of Remington White Box .22lr before. Reach in, grab a handful of rounds, half the bullets crumble to tasty lead dust in your hand.

>>64179038
>I've had more bullet setback on cheap .45 FMJ from my 1911 than I have from my Glock 19.
It can happen to any auto loader, some are very prone to it (1911), some rarely get it (Beretta 92). Pretending that it's never happened to Glock is a bit strange.
>I've only had a single brand of 9mm experience setback on my from repeat chamberings
Happened to me once with Underwood ammo; thankfully, I noticed it before I used that round.
>a gun with a steep ass feed ramp
Pretty much.
>AND use shitty ammo.
I think it can happen to good ammo too.

>>64175151
>5.7 would mog any bear skull anyway
>Noguns doesn't know

What 5.7 ammo can you buy commercially that makes getting a 5.7 worth it? I read that the "good" AP ammo is not for civilian sale.

>>64165646
>sad Glock clone
It's literally a better Glock clone. Glocks jam so fucking much in shooting videos, I can't believe there are still people clinging to that POS brand. I get you wasted a lot of money but you can still sell the shits off to other retards who still buy them. M&P are the top dawgz in torture tests.

Lets say I hypothetically wanted a 5.7 pistol with an extra long barrel and a magnified optic of some kind. What say you anons?

>>64179715
There is none, the fancy LE ammo is shit, too.

>>64180026
So what's the point if having a 5.7 if you can't get the AP rounds?

>>64180029
There isn't one. Also the "AP" rounds only pierce NIJ II, not anything that people actually wear.

>>64165753
Well here is 45acp blowing up in a glock because they retardedly decided to not support all of the case like retarded retards.

>>64165185 (OP)
5.7s, especially out of a pistol, are not good self defense guns. Luckygunner did a whole series of gel tests with 5.7s out of pistol, 10”, and 16” barrels to prove it. You either get good penetration with a .22 caliber bullet that doesn’t expand, or you get a bullet that fragments or overexpands and therefore has really shallow penetration. Also, the bullets aren’t going fast enough for the temporary cavity to tear and cause damage, that starts in intermediate rifle round territory (or shit like 460 & 500 S&W) and 5.7 doesn’t travel fast enough.

And if you don’t believe me, no police agencies or militaries that issued 5.7s are ordering more 5.7s. It’s a varmint hunting caliber.

>>64165185 (OP)
Everything 308 boomers said about 556 is actually true for 57, unironically a poodle shooter round made for mattel plastic "guns"

>>64165185 (OP)
A 9mm loaded with ball ammo is literally a better defensive choice than a 5.7 pistol
>much better penetration
>bullet is already wider than any 5.7 will expand
>works out of compact pistols, 5.7 does not
>much cheaper to practice with and much more common to find

>>64181226
9mm FMJ tends to overpenetrate. .380 FMJ gets very consistent penetration in the optimal range while being the same diameter as 9mm and larger than expanded 5.7 hollow points when they actually work.

Inb4 one guy killed a bunch of other guys with a fiveseven forever ago and therefore 5.7 is better than .380.