Thread 64170071

The M18 is back in service as of today, where 191 of the 7,970 M18s were found to have issues with their safety levers, striker assemblies, and sears
https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2025-08-25/air-force-m18-pistol-18875234.html

An airman was arrested for the death, indicating investigators think the trigger was pulled, and it was not the holstered weapon firing from the table
https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2025-08-08/m18-pistol-air-force-arrest-18702982.html

Is this the end of Sig Sauer like all the influencers claimed?
Is the military blaming an airman to cover up for Sig Sauer?
Are the videos where influencers replicate uncommanded operation all fake?

>>64170071 (OP)
I'm not buying one, saar

>>64170081(me)
To be fair, I also don't use the safety on my m700 because at one point there was a chance it would drop the firing pin when you switched it off

>>64170071 (OP)
Cool. Still not buying a Sikh SARRR P(enis remover) 320 for one hundred goybucks.

>>64170071 (OP)
>where 191 of the 7,970 M18s were found to have issues with their safety levers, striker assemblies, and sears
why do you phrase this like a good thing?

>>64170071 (OP)
FaggotTripp and Nigg Stoeger on suicide watch.

>>64170071 (OP)
The gun still sucks and SIG-Sauer is horrible at responding to criticism.
Cope

>>64170071 (OP)
>only 2.5% of these brand new service pistols we inspected had serious issues that could cause uncommanded discharges. Oh and by the way we limited the scope of the inspection to not include the slide jiggle test"

Yeah man I think sig defenders will see this as a win but it sure as shit aint

>>64170071 (OP)
>one in ~42 Sigshits are at risk of going off uncommanded

>>64170152
>>64170190
>>64170194
keep sucking off glawk faggots

>>64170190
>>64170194
In India a less than 50% defect rate is a success.

Doesn't matter, the damage is already done, "treat every gun like it's a SIG" is already in common lexicon. Nobody buys SIG anymore, LEOs will not adopt them, and the military will get out of this contract as soon as they can. The only selling point of the P320 compared to a Glock was that the trigger was better, the FCU was a stupid meme nobody cares about. Now we have the Walther PDP for people who want a striker 9 with a meaningfully better trigger than a Glock. P320 is dead and SIG will be probably be sold off.

>>64170194
Is the implication that Indian made parts are worse than US made ones? Proof?

>>64170223
yeah.

>>64170306
If you're going to carry water for Sikh Saar, at least put your trip on you cowardly worthless nigger.

>>64170071 (OP)
>where 191 of the 7,970 M18s were found to have issues with their safety levers, striker assemblies, and sears
That sounds about right. MOST of the P320 pistols aren't deathtraps, but more than just a few of them really are an accident waiting to happen, and it's inherent to their design and manufacture.

>Is this the end of Sig Sauer like all the influencers claimed?
Couldn't say for sure, but it's not looking too good.

>Is the military blaming an airman to cover up for Sig Sauer?
Theoretically they could be, and I'm not going to rule it out entirely, but realistically he really could have just negligently killed the other guy through actually poor handling, and it being a Sig was just incidental in this case. Him fucking up big time and trying to hide it doesn't disprove that the P320 has dangerous problems, it doesn't make all the other incidents go away.

>>64170124
I don't think he is? That's not like an apocalyptic problem ratio, but it's still pretty damn bad, and jives with how most people aren't experiencing any of these problems with theirs, but many of them sure aren't ok.

This isn't a hard scientific approach because this isn't detailed data and I'd like to see a larger sample size, but if you go strictly by these numbers, circa 200 out of 8000 pistols, then that is a roughly 2.5% chance that you'd have one of the P320s with the surprise mechanic.
If you were buying a handgun, particularly for carry, and you knew that there was a 2.5% chance that one you were buying had a lethal defect like this, would YOU want to make that gamble? I sure as hell wouldn't.

>>64170223
Maybe uhhhhhhhhhhh learn how to make guns that don’t suck cock, Saar. White men don’t buy nu-Sig.

Shadow 2 master race here.
>>64170071 (OP)
whatever.

>>64170190
Oh, they did? The ratio is likely higher than 2.5%, that's even worse.

>>64170306
>Is the implication that Indian made parts are worse than US made ones?
Yes.

>Proof?
The INSAS.

40 years of trying to replace the 1911 and this is what you've been reduced to instead of just admitting the obvious that you fucked up a good thing.

hey should i avoid a p220 purchase?

>>64170420
Couldn't hurt.

>>64170311
>>64170384
youre both cocksucking faggots and i hope you lay with gaston tonight

>>64170071 (OP)
Ok now redeem

>>64170223
glawk is just nui-SIG from 20 years ago that already conquered the market with their bullshit

>>64170547
>>64170792
Glock is better than your plebian shit-320.

That's cool. I'm still not buying one.

>>64170141
Bet you neither of them admit they may have overblown this incident.

>>64170420
Get a West German marked one.

>>64170071 (OP)
>>64170081
>>64170111
>>64170152
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Poor little Anti-Sig schizo still making his(her) threads.
Glad he(she) hasn't anhero'd, yet.

>>64170141
>Stoeger on suicide watch.
>>64173267
>will never admit they may have overblown this incident.

Little Benny was literally told by Sig to grow up and that they did not want him on their team.
He will NEVER admit to being wrong

The reputational damage has already been done.

Incredible that people are already trying to twist what is a very plain and straightforward statement. In layman's terms, they took a look at all the guns and ruled out UDs or other discharges caused by some kind of mechanical problem. On a little less than 200 pistols, they noticed that some of the parts in the actual firing mechanism were starting to wear down. They fixed these, and have implemented a new maintenance policy to keep them up to date. It is the most boring, unremarkable statement they could make

>>64170374
>The inspection of Global Strike Command’s M18s, which later expanded to all of the Air Force’s about 125,000 M18 pistols, did find issues with some of its sidearms, service officials said.

I think your math is a little off

>>64175131
Hold up, I'm not that tuned into the drama of competitive shooting. What happened here?

>>64175361
Sig didn't want a razist white republican on posters because Ben has a history of just saying shit out loud. He used to be banned from entire sports fir calling the board if directors fags and busted old cunts.
Ben openly called Sig a bunch of pussies over it and got downvoted.

>>64175124
SAAAAAR

>>64175514
He really is an idiot

>>64170071 (OP)
>they redeemed it
DO NOT REDEEM SAAR, DO NOT REDEEEEEMMMM!!!

>>64175524
He's a dumbass about stuff like public image and "your name is a business at this level" yeah. But I don't disagree with most of the shit he says, and he is world class in on demand performance.
He really is one of the best. New generation will leave him out to pasture though, and he knows it.

>>64175514
>>64175524
"Hey, don't say shit that'll get us in trouble" is really such a small ask from a sponsor/team. What a fag

>>64175530
He might be an idiot savant, but he's still an idiot lol

>>64170071 (OP)
A 2.4 percent potentially lethal fail rate is pretty bad for a modernized 100 year old small arms design from a global company on contract to the world's most expensive military.

A 2.4 percent potentially lethal fail rate is pretty bad for a modernized 100 year old small arms design from a global company on contract to the world's most expensive military.

(Nailed crookedly to the door, because the gun slipped and went off by itself.)
1.The P320 was chosen by the U.S. Army, proving even mighty nations make foolish choices.
2. It was crowned the XM-17, though unworthy.
3. For Beretta’s APX was faithful, but SIG brought bribes and indulgences.
4. Woe unto the generals who put coins in SIG’s coffer.
5. For their reward is a drop-fire.
6. The P320 boasts modularity, yet modularity without reliability is vanity.
7. Its fire control unit may be immortal, but the lawsuits are eternal.
8. A pistol that discharges when dropped is like a priest that sins in the pulpit.
9. Unfit, unholy, and unsafe.
10. Glock fanboys mock it, and for once, they are correct.
11. For even Glock does not fire when it hits the ground.
12. SIG answered: “We fixed it!” but behold — the accidents continue.
13. Police officers bled, civilians suffered, lawsuits multiplied.
14. This is the fruit of corruption.
15. The APX humbly conceals; the P320 betrays its owner.
16. The APX points true; the P320 points at your thigh when you set it down.
17. It is the Judas of pistols, kissing you with modularity while selling you out to pain.
18. Its trigger breaks like promises in Congress.
19. And its safety — what safety?
20. Condition One on a P320 is Condition Oh no.
21. The striker says, “Here I stand, I can do no other,” and then… fires.
22. When Beretta was passed over, angels wept.
23. When SIG was chosen, demons laughed.
24. The P320 Compact is compact only in shame.
25. The P320 XCarry carries only liability.

>>64170124
>>64170374
>>64170396
>>64175555
>Just a better than 1 in 42 chance to potentially shoot yourself
Fuck that.

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64175555
That is not what the statement says. It only stated that it repaired that many pistols before returning them to service.

26. The P320 Legion needs a legion of lawyers.
27. SIG sells flashy names, but not perfection.
28. They boast “adopted by the Army” — and yet how many have been recalled?
29. More than the hairs on Luther’s head.
30. The holsters must be built strong, not to restrain the enemy, but the gun itself.
31. Carrying it chambered is an act of faith greater than Abraham’s.
32. For Abraham lifted the knife, but the P320 lifts itself.
33. The APX was robbed, but the P320 robs knees.
34. Glock may be boring, but boring does not sue you.
35. The Springfield Echelon costs less and betrays you less.
36. Blessed is the pistol that humbles itself, not the one that struts.
37. The P320 struts like a televangelist in a megachurch.
38. Promises much, delivers lawsuits.
39. Some claim “the civilian P320 is safe now.” Yet who can count the ND’s since?
40. SIG releases variants as Rome released indulgences.
41. And people buy them, deceived.
42. A P320 owner at the range is a man one lane too close.
43. His neighbor prays Psalm 91.
44. If the Beretta is vocation, the P320 is temptation.
45. The drop safety is neither drop nor safety.
46. The APX bore axis is humble; the P320 rides high, proud, and unstable.
47. And pride goeth before the kaboom.
48. A striker block that does not block is no block at all.
49. A chamber that discharges unbidden is no chamber but a snare.
50. Woe to the marketing team, for their lies were slicker than gun oil.

51. Woe to the procurement officers, for their pockets jingled louder than truth.
52. Woe to the consumer, for he trusted SIG and received pain.
53. SIG boasts of winning contracts worldwide.
54. And worldwide, the drop-fire spreads.
55. Better a Hi-Point with duct tape than a P320 in a retention holster.
56. For the Hi-Point may jam, but it will not betray.
57. The P320 takedown requires no trigger pull.
58. And yet it fires itself anyway.
59. SIG calls this progress. Luther calls it heresy.
60. Every new model is a bandage on an open wound.
61. The faithful need truth, not cosmetics.
62. Red-dot ready means little if your gun discharges before you draw.
63. The true red dot is the one painted on your shin.
64. SIG Sauer built the P226, and it was good.
65. They built the P229, and it was faithful.
66. Then came the P320, and corruption entered the garden.
67. The serpent whispered: “Striker-fired modularity.”
68. And the Army bit.
69. And behold — their holsters trembled.
70. The APX, though mocked, remains safer.
71. The Echelon, though cheaper, remains truer.
72. The P320, though crowned, remains false.
73. And every negligent discharge testifies against it.
74. For the wages of sin is discharge.
75. The gift of God is carrying with confidence.

76. A pistol that sues its owners is no pistol at all.
77. It is a Pharisee in steel, clean on the outside, corrupt within.
78. The APX bore the cross and was denied.
79. The P320 bore bribes and was chosen.
80. Which is the true gospel?
81. Those who defend it are like indulgence sellers.
82. “Pay no attention to the lawsuits!” they cry.
83. But the truth cannot be silenced.
84. The people know.
85. The forums rage.
86. The YouTube videos multiply.
87. The evidence is overwhelming.
88. SIG refuses to repent.
89. But the truth will out.
90. The P320 will be remembered not as victor, but as scandal.
91. And Beretta shall rise again.
92. For the APX was faithful.
93. For the Echelon was humble.
94. For the Glock was boring but safe.
95. But the P320 was the indulgence scam of pistols — bought at high price, but worthless before God and man.

Here it drops I can do no other.

You niggers cannot read. It said that there was no malfunction in the entire inventory of pistols that could have caused a discharge. It also said that nearly all of the pistols were able to immediately go back into service, noting the number that needed maintenance and how that is affecting their maintenance schedule going forward. Literally making stuff up at this point

>>64175569
I didn't read it and I won't but if they found issues with that many FCUs in that small of a batch I still think it speaks poorly of SIG even if every one was not out of spec enough to trigger an AD. Even allowing for chair force fuckery.
They have been in service for less than 3 years.
In the Air Force.

>>64175592
We have no context for how heavily those pistols were used, or anything beyond that they received repairs and then returned to service. The only people who know are probably the actual armorers who work on them

>>64170071 (OP)
They bought ~125,000. Whats with the 8k tested; initial findings, trouble units, random QC, oldest adopted systems, units on downtime?

>>64175588
You're mininterpreting it. They found a whole bunch of defective pistols. Frankly they should just give all the M18's to Ukraine and get some glocks or berrettas.

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>>64175532
I ain't disagreeing with you guys in the slightest, I still like him though.

>>64175592
>>64175596
How often was an M9 found to have a trigger component defective? I only ever heard of springs and blocks needing replaced.

>>64175609
I don't think anybody has those rates written down, but I can tell you that m9s basically needed everything replaced over the course of their service.

>>64175599
The statement is extremely clear. They state the exact number of pistols that needed service.
>>64175598
They originally were testing just strike command but expanded the investigation to the entire Air Force inventory.

>>64175618
Ah yes, the dangerous, deffective pistols that have been serviced so far.

>>64175621
They directly stated that there were no malfunctions, bro. This press release is pretty fucking straightforward.

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>>64175571
>>64175581
>>64175587
kino

>>64175661
I cannot imagine being so booty blasted that you sit down and copy paste over the 95 theses

>>64170071 (OP)
>Is this the end of Sig Sauer like all the influencers claimed?

It is the beginning of their slow slide from the top spot. The attitude they adopted towards something consumers really care about has done more damage to their brand than even the UDs. People now think they'll double down and bribe their way out of trouble any time any of their products present issues, and its not an unreasonable assumption. They have the US Army locked in for now but the P320 scandal brought scrutiny to things they cant afford to lose like the XM7 and XM250, and those two are definitely on thin ice as is. They might not survive another round of acquisition restructuring plans.

Their civ sales tanked hard, and its part of gun culture now to see them as a scummy company that lies and makes unsafe and subpar products. They're gonna find themselves becoming the next Colt.

>>64175693
Actually feel kind of the opposite about public perception. Outside of YouTube comments, most of the people I met have moved on, especially when it came out that the airman was actually done in by his buddy. I think that was the pivotal moment where this thing started losing momentum, because nobody wants to HELP a criminal out by giving him a plausible excuse.

>>64175673
Seethe
https://www.instagram.com/kireru_disruptive_society/reel/DNBIVx-vOci/

>>64175698
aww gee whiz. You got me. I will go back to not spending my time obsessing over a company I don't like.

>>64175702
You just described the target demographic of this board

>>64175705
I get it, I was 13 once as well.

>>64175613
They were in service for 35 years. The last batch was delivered a decade ago.

>>64175720
Yeah, there are some real ship of Theseus guns in there.

>>64175693
I'm seeing waaaay less 320 themed content come through my feed. I think it's just out of steam

>>64175828
Why are you repeating the wrong percentage? The inspection was expanded to conclude all 125,000

>>64175828
Workshop this one a little bit more and come back to us.

>>64175837
>Inspections found problems with 191 of the command’s M18s, most of which were problems with “component wear,” according to the Air Force.
>Inspections found problems with 191 of the command’s M18s
>191 of the command’s M18s
>the command’s M18s

>>64175837
>"only" a one in a thousand chance that the gun might be defective enough to shoot your nuts off
There's probably less of a chance you have to draw the thing on someone in the first place for most people, I don't see how that's supposed to inspire confidence.

>>64170071 (OP)
The P320 and its variants are unsafe trash, and I will convince anyone who is interested not to buy, and anyone who already owns it to sell.
No amount of spin and corposplaining will convince me otherwise.

>>64175999
But that's not even what that number represents. That number represents pistols that required maintenance. saying that all 191 pistols were imminently going to have an uncommanded discharge is just a lie. It's actually just lying

>>64176008
Based fren protector

>>64175976
So you're saying it's still 191 out of 125,000. The 191 just all happened to be under global strike command. Because that's how that reads in context if we are going to take it at its word.

>>64176035
Nobody is saying that they were "imminently going to have an uncommanded discharge" we are saying that all 191 pistols were found in a state were the probability of doing so was greater than 0, which is still unacceptable

>>64176066
That is also something you made up right now and is not in the press release

>>64176066
They had already ruled out malfunction so even if the pistols needed to be fixed, they weren't in such a state that there was a real chance of a mishap. That's the only information we were given, because we don't have the individual maintenance logs for the guns.

>>64176086
Sure, they just decided to implement new "enhanced inspection procedures" because there is nothing wrong with them, and it's not "even if they needed to be fixed" as per the press release “Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs,”

>>64176125
I know you're trying really hard to make this a big something but there is plenty to be upset with Sig about without having to make something up.

>>64175352
Look at OP's post with the claim of 191 faulty ones out of 7980 pistols total.

See also the article for:
>Gen. Thomas Bussiere, who leads Global Strike Command, signed off on the return to duty for most of the command’s Sig Sauer-made sidearms after a weekslong inspection of all its 7,970 M18s, the command said in a statement.
>Inspections found problems with 191 of the command’s M18s, most of which were problems with “component wear,” according to the Air Force. Most of the issues were related to wear on the M18s safety levers, on their striker assemblies and on their sears.

>>64175596
>We have no context for how heavily those pistols were used
They were in the fucking AIRFORCE, how hard do they use their sidearms on average?

>>64176008
Selling them on is unsafe, and probably hard at this point. Better to destroy them.

>>64176125
This is legitimately very normal, including the clinical legalese. You tag out equipment to be serviced, and sometimes you change your maintenance routine; especially if you got people nagging at you. Like, this is not a suspicious response at all.

>>64176149
Also per the article, none of them were actually faulty, defective, or malfunctioning. That is something you are editorializing in. All we know is the parts needed to be serviced due to wear.

>>64176149
>They were in the fucking AIRFORCE, how hard do they use their sidearms on average
Eh, I've seen some stuff get pretty fucked up.

>>64176149
Never doubt what idiot butterbars can do to their gear

>>64170306
>Proof?
Ask Apple

>>64176194
Shut up yuropoor

>>64176209
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>>64170071 (OP)

One thing we can be certain of is that 100% of idiots that ND one of these things will claim it fired on its own.

I would assume the numbers of straight up negligent discharges will completely dwarf any inherent design issue with the gun, which only muddies the water further.

Hard to imagine how Sig ever escapes this reputational damage for the gun, even if any underlying issues are identified and fixed. Every desk pop with a sig will renew the stink around the brand.

>>64176214
Zigger

Sig Sauer is now redeemed.

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>>64176219
People called it on Glock for years. I think a lot of people don't remember that Glock had a reputation for being a shit plastic gun that shot its users up until gen 3, and THEN you had the Glocknade memes. I think it'll be fine, since people are already getting bored of this cycle

>>64176239
It's too late yuropoor, I have already won. I have a pension and a pickup truck

>>64170071 (OP)
How much do you think SIG had to bribe them?

>>64176242

Sure, but the difference is that the claims against Glocks firing on their own were never substantiated, no matter how hard idiots who ND'd tried to pass the blame.

Sigs earlier drop safe recall followed by the problems of holster firing is a much worse situation for a new pistol to be in.

NYPD might have had the right idea with the 100 lb trigger, because they know the average pig is totally incompetent with weapons handling.

>>64170306
If you weren't an uneducated basement dwelling dweeb you'd know about "best value" and "best price" suppliers.
Guess which ones are favored by all the number go up publicly traded companies?

>>64176277
Not trying to stan corporations, but doesn't the 365 use basically the same manufacturing and supply chain process and not have any of the reported issues of the 320?

The 320 seems to have inherent design issues that even their other newly designed pistols don't have.

I tend to agree with Ian's take over on FW, that if Sig could just wave a magic wand and make the 320 disappear, they could probably just replace it with upscaled versions of the 365 and it would work fine.

>>64176296
>I tend to agree with Ian's take over on FW, that if Sig could just wave a magic wand and make the 320 disappear, they could probably just replace it with upscaled versions of the 365 and it would work fine.
That's called the Fuse. It's literally the Fuse.

>>64176299

Sure, the magic wand part was more about not having huge numbers of 320 already sold, most notably to USDoD.

One might imagine a different world where the 320 line was pruned earlier in the development cycle in favor of focusing on only the 365 family.

A bit odd to have two products being developed and marketed that are basically the same use-case, and a disaster when one of them turns out to be a lemon.

>>64176271
IIRC Glock did quietly settle a lot of the ND cases outside of court. People took note of all the problems, which is when they rolled out their super cheap blue label pricing was to get departments to pick them: 3rd gen Smiths and the Ruger p85 being more popular choices at the time.

>>64176308

I would assume blue label pricing was more about dealing with fudds preference for steel guns and DS/SA than any perception of safety.

The glock design has not meaningfully changed.

Settling ND cases, even when it's pretty clear to most that the user was at fault, is simply the cost of doing business for firearm manufacturers. I wouldn't read too much into legal strategy. Paying a settlement is often cheaper than endless litigation.

>>64176271
Glock had the benefit of almost no cameras catching any incident at all, to be fair. I'm sure if we had tapes of cops bending over and their glock going off because of their shitty holster, they'd have a harder time

>>64176317
Oh nah, the Glock was definitely thought to be unsafe. Honestly, it had a bad rep up until it featured in a bunch of movies

Back in the early '90s the Glock was pretty much treated exactly the way the 320 is right now. This entire fiasco had me feel like I was time traveling.

>>64176317
The biggest early adopter of glock was legit fucking street gangs. Cops didnt wanna be using the same blaster as niggers

>P320 is gonna be fine because glawk got shit on too

God you delusional retards. Glock never went IT ENDS TODAY. It never told customers that they were antigun if they questioned their safety record. It never did multiple unspecified changes to their gun without telling customers. It never coasted on a military contract done with zero fucking testing.

Sig could fix the gun to be 100% perfect tomorrow but their reputation AS A COMPANY is completely ruined, deservedly so. And this is only in regards to the P320, there is a whole load of issues with the XM7, and the fact that Ron Cohen joining the company is the most outrageously sketchy shit ever.

>>64176338

>Oh nah, the Glock was definitely thought to be unsafe. Honestly, it had a bad rep up until it featured in a bunch of movies

Not because of any design flaw like the sig though.

Glock's striker fired, no manual safety approach was very different than what was the norm in the US. For people only familiar with hammer guns with manual safeties, the glock design is understandably a bit unnerving.

Like many new technologies, it often takes a bit of time to for the market to realize that it's a good product rather than a gimmick.

A new-fangled polymer gun from an unknown foreign manufacturer entering the US gun market is an uphill climb.

Glock never changed the things that made some people think they were unsafe. Dipshits are still out there in Year of Our Lord 2025 shooting their dicks off while trying to field strip a loaded glock, for example. Glock never did a redesign and the market eventually decided it was fine, and even preferable, the way it was.

>>64176619
Bitch shut the fuck up. You were not there, you do not understand the fucking animosity the average guy had to getting a plastic fucking gun from what they considered to be former nazis IN ADDITION to it shooting the early adopters. Seriously? You're gonna say the fucking PR gaffe is anything, anywhere, anyhow remotely as off-putting to the typical American as the Glock was on release? And then when people started filing lawsuits? When Glock called them idiots in court? Were you there? Were you even alive?

>>64175748
You mean anti 320 stuff is losing steam? I disagree, what you are perceiving as losing steam is in actuality everyone just accepting that it's a terrible pistol and that sig is a terrible company. Not much to talk about now, everyone agrees. You can't really gaslight your way out of this

>>64176765
Not really. There are a couple diehards but most people are just not engaging with the topic. This board is where I see most people enthused about it. Well, except youtube commenters who will in one video say they'll never buy sig again and in another say they're trying to get the 226 x carry. So whatever

>>64176765
I went to scheels last night to check out the used gun section. So many fucking sigs. The problem with this industry is that its got a long memory, curse of being mildly expensive and also dealing with devices designed to kill shit. Sigs gonna have to live in the bed it shat for a bit, even if nothing was wrong with the gun.

>>64176779
This industry has a shitty memory. Y'all niggers forgot how Ruger basically wrote half the assault weapons ban. Forgot so bad that it wasn't even a whole year after that his p85 became one of the best selling guns in the nation. Suck a dick

>>64176787
>shitty memory
>events 30 years ago
Bud.

>>64176789
I don't think you understand, child. Ruger proposed a lot of gun control, and then immediately after everyone found out, his gun continued to top the sales charts for being affordable. Hell, after it had a critical failure and needed a recall even. That was current news.

>>64176797
its just contrarian neofudds who stan ruger

>>64176789
Ruger literally never fell off despite actually being the gun grabber. What he did fucked the industry over crazy, way beyond Sig's stupid IT ENDS TODAY. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>64176801
How about you just stop talking about how the community will respond if this is your first controversy?

>>64170306
...have you seen india?... 90% of it is like the worst dirt covered, tin roof shithole on earth the other 10% is New Dehli or Mumbai (which are literally border to border with tin roof shitholes) and there's 9 billion pajeets

IMAGINE the smell

>>64176789
what? people are still paranoid about the shit Bill Ruger helped to implement coming back.

>>64176818
I don't wanna hear about your fap material dude

damn, bitches weren't ready for the history lesson. Anyway, no, this ain't going to be the end of Sig. Too many people like too many of their other products, and it's damn hard to be mad all the time.

>>64170071 (OP)
>arrested for the death
>indicating investigators think
Let us know when theres a conviction then, fag

>>64176925
He's been charged with involuntary manslaughter, and obstruction of justice. From the charges, you can basically assume the dumbass was playing with the gun and lied about it after he popped his friend.

>>64170547
Sorry, sweatie, we’re not gonna buy your below-mediocre Indian slop pistol.

>>64176941
>responding to a day old post
You dont even have a real gun

>>64175828
Projection

>>64170071 (OP)
>191 of the 7,970
>over two percent are defective
A two-percent product failure rate causing potential fatalities is significant enough that, e.g., it would cause an immediate product recall order for products regulated by the FTC and NHTSA. Does the report indicate whether all of those 191 were capable of UDs with the observed defects?

>>64170071 (OP)
let me know when they bring the 1911 back

The military also purposefully rigged the m16 to jam because they were pissy Springfield didn't get the contract in the 60's, then purposefully rigged the M9 by getting incorrect magazines. The fact that they did this is just further proof that they care more about the cost of ending a contract than saftey

>>64178234
>1911
>Commander length
>ideally swap to external extractor for durability and idiotproofing
>use decent modern combat sights
>.45 or 9mm, either is fine (not like sharing sidearm ammo is critical to NATO interoperability)
>Para Ordnance style frame, metal and double-stacked, handlets can cope
>RMR cut on slide and rail on dustcover if you absolutely have to
Well ahead of the Sikh Saar, in spite of being antiquated.

Sidearms should have remained a private purchase just like they were for most of history.

>>64170223
>>64175124
>Think of the poor corporation!

The p320 is superior to the 19x and you Glock horse cumsucking fags are so desperate to support a company run by a pedophile who screwed more children than he did his spouse.

>>64170071 (OP)
>191 of the 7,970 M18s were found to have issues with their safety levers, striker assemblies, and sears
That's terrible quality control.

>>64177932
No, there's no suggestion that the 191 pistols that were repaired are capable of a UD. All we have on the topic is that Strike Command determined that there have been no malfunctions.

>>64170141
Not quite, it's funny that the suspect is treating a dangerous gun as an alibi

>>64176763
suffer cultist

>>64175514
>>64175514
B-B-B-BASED
Did he say the S-word?

>>64170306
Lazy b8
It's the fact jeet made pistols go off randomly while German and Swiss made pistols do not. The sear, striker foot, and other parts are off spec because dalits made it

>>64176968
>And other projections

>>64175124
Allat ain't me
You can tell based on the fact I post an insulting and relevant shitpost every time

>>64180133
Please get new images, or at least ones that aren't circulating on Facebook.

>>64180124
NTA but he's just right about the public's perception of Glock. It was possibly even worse than Sig's is right now.

>>64176936
An uncommanded discharge occurring while failing to practice good muzzle control is still negligence. Telling the MPs that you weren't holding it is still obstruction. We don't have enough info to confirm either way. On the one hand, lower enlisted gonna do retarded shit. On the other, they DID conduct a mass check of sidearms for manufacturing defects.

>>64180142
Always, have a fresh one

>>64180152
The check also serves as evidence against his story. If he was claiming a UD and the pistols couldn't have produced one, then that's empirical evidence his story is false.

>>64175588
That's another problem by itself

>>64176150
The question is why there needs to be maintenance so soon. It's only a few years of service for the sig pistols, Berettas took longer to get clapped out. And judging by other issues with the gun I doubt the army is being forthcoming.

>>64180153
Any details on this?

>>64180172
Gun store robbery, glock shelves picked clean. Sig shelves however...
Even nigs don't choose Sig

>>64180171
The M9s were also cycled in and out for repairs during their lifetime, and they actually had to get a lot of maintenance early into the contract. The pistols being repaired arent getting junked, that's a normal thing to do

>>64180178
Which gun store? When?

>>64180185
He probably doesn't know. I'm willing to bet that this was pulled from some discord group.

>>64180185
>>64180189
This isn't the first time I've seen it. At least a year, probably two.

>>64180185
>>64180189
Reverse image search says didn't manifested a little over a year ago as a "meme". There are no details, if it's even real

>>64180206
>>64180189
Reverse image search says it manifested a little over a year ago as a "meme". There are no details, if it's even real

>>64176165
Striker and sear wear could have caused a malfunction and UD. All it takes is for the two to slip off. It was found in other p320 sigcidents before and beyond the air force discharge. It doesn't malfunction until it does. The fact they needed maintenance at all means they are faulty.

>>64176763
The fact SIG is repeating Glocks mistakes in current year makes it worse, yes. Because now there is videotape footage and the lasting memory of the internet to enshrined every fuckup they make.

>>64180231
I'm sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Again, M9s we're in and out of the shop like crazy the first, god, maybe like 10 years? Nobody calls them faulty, because that's not what that means.

>>64180231
If it was potentially a problem, they would have NOT ruled out malfunction.

>>64176917
Hey, it's their leg.

>>64179207
UDs are not the only form of defect available

>>64179112
Better autofire capabilities, sure

>>64180240
Man you need to learn the difference between something that is faulty or defective and something that is requiring maintenance

>>64180206
>>64180189
I'm pretty sure this is fake because there is no story attached to it wherever it is posted, and the earliest I can find is on a fucking Glock forum.

>>64180180
>>64180236
>>64180246
No difference at all. If they were not faulty you wouldn't need to maintain them. Again, the faults they did mention are typical to the p320 and were present in other guns that UD'd elsewhere.

>>64180239
They ruled out an UD in that particular death alone. That doesn't mean they could do the same in the many other cases in the US military and beyond. God help them if they try to.

>>64180276
>No difference at all. If they were not faulty you wouldn't need to maintain them.
That is not how machines work.

>>64180276
>If they were not faulty you wouldn't need to maintain them
Are...are you trolling?

>>64180185
Don't know or care, it's a timeless joke

>>64180228
>>64180275
>don't believe your lying eyes
Life imitates art.

>>64180282
I don't think it's an act. I think he's actually this dumb.

>>64180280
>>64180282
That is not how Sig machines work too

>>64180292
Dude you need to stop posting. It is not helping your case

>>64180292
>>64180284
Are you some kind of Euro? How can you be this unfamiliar?

>>64180287
Siggers call me dumb but can't read
From the article:
>Inspections found problems with 191 of the command’s M18s, most of which were problems with “component wear,” according to the Air Force. Most of the issues were related to wear on the M18s safety levers, on their striker assemblies and on their sears. Strike assemblies are the spring-loaded mechanisms that impact a cartridge’s primer to fire the weapon, and sears hold back the striker until the trigger is pulled.
>“Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs,”
Repairs. For problems.

>>64180298
Take your own advice

>>64180316
>If they were not faulty you wouldn't need to maintain them.
I'm going to remind you that you said this, which is possibly one of the dumbest things I have read on this board in years. You don't know the difference between service + maintenance and defects, and you're out here trying to convince people that your take is the right one.

>>64180276
Oh man, I have to change my brake pads. Guess they're defective.

>>64180276
What an own goal

FACT: ALL SIG P320'S ARE MECHANICALLY SOUND, AND NO INDEPENDENT STUDY UTILIZING R&R TESTING CAN REPLICATE A SINGLE REPORTED "FAILURE".

FACT: ALL REPORTED "FAILURES" ARE NON-REPEATABLE AND DOCUMENTED/RECOUNTED POORLY.

FACT: THIS "SAFETY CONCERN" IS SIMPLY THE RESULT OF REDDIT AND INSTAGRAM TREND SETTING.

FACT: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A DEGREE IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, OR AT LEAST 15 YEARS OF MODERN GUNSMITHING EXPERIENCE, YET DEMAND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION OF HOW A GUN WORKS, SIT DOWN.

FACT: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A MATHEMATICS DEGREE WITH A FOCUS IN STATISTICS YET DEMAND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION OF HOW WIDE SPREAD THIS "ISSUE" IS, SIT DOWN.

FACT: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A DEGREE RELATED TO MANUFACTURING OR QUALITY CONTROL, DO NOT HOLD A BLACK BELT IN 6Ơ, YET DEMAND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION OF QUALITY ISSUES, SIT DOWN.

"BUT I SERVED IN THE MIL-" SHUT UP.

"BUT I WORKED AT A GUN STO-" SHUT UP.

"BUT I SHOOT A LO-" SHUT UP.

"BUT FROM THE GUN COUNTER SAI-"SHUT UP.

YOU ARE A NERD. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED. YOU ARE SIMPLY CAUGHT UP IN A TREND AND ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS. WIPE IT.

>>64181563
Nice pasta. Made it for free?

>>64170152
is that Nick Fuentes?

>>64170223
Fuck glock and fuck sig. I don’t want a pistol that shoots uncommanded and I don’t want a pistol that blows up because the case isn’t fully supported. There’s plenty of pistols that don’t blow up or fire on their own, Kel-Tec even manages to make them out of used supersoaker parts.

>>64181563
>invincible ignorance, feedback fallacy
>continuum fallacy
>ignoratio elenchi
>appeal to authority fallacy
>appeal to authority fallacy
>appeal to authority fallacy

>>64180324
Just wait till you give your own posts a look. I'm going to remind you that you don't know what words mean nor can you read the ones in the article, and you split hairs to avoid painting yourself into a corner. People don't fix (maintain) what ain't broke. I hope a P320 blows your balls off, so you don't pass on your autistic pedantry.

>>64180338
So that's why you got put you up for adoption. After all, you don't replace something if there was nothing wrong.

>>64181563
Don't need to be a weatherman to know Sig is pissing on your leg and calling it rain. Or should we say shooting it?

And that's ignoring all the repeatable tests published by those who are with engineering or gunsmithing experience, like the fucking FBI. But you knew that.

>>64182640
You don't know how brake pads work. Euro?

>>64182640
Nigger, you could have just said you misspoke and I would have believed you. Doubling down on a gross display of ignorance and then trying to pretend your ESL ass has the right read of things

>>64180276
>>64182670
>>64182640
>Maintenance means its broken.
Get your lead levels checked

>>64181786
Yes, Hop and Nick Fuentes are the same person.

>>64170071 (OP)
I told you the P320 was safe and effective. Maybe you guys need to git gud with your firearms before you start spreading false rumors. It's undisputed fact that the P320 is more reliable and robust than the Glock 19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMWTffJ-njw

>>64182755
>>64182903
Course I do. I also know that when they don't work as well anymore you change them. It's called maintenance doncha know?

>>64182855
Sigga please. For the sake of saving your reputation please look up the definition of the word "defect" before you run your melanated mouth. Ignoring the fact that the article in the OP that you Siggers didn't read explicitly mentioned about 200 M18s needing "repairs" due to "problems" regarding "component wear". I'd post a screenshot but that would mean I can't post a meme instead. Read the fucking document before you yap, then a dictionary for good measure

>>64181687
TINSTAFL you swine.

>>64181918
Spat the truth so hard its got you speaking like a fag, SIT DOWN.

>>64182670
>the FBI is legitmate and infallible when it supports the thing I want to be true.

>>64183115
>>the FBI is illegitimate and fallible when it supports the thing I don't want to be true.
Every time