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Anonymous No.64171454 >>64172270 >>64172620 >>64174064 >>64174813
Redpill me on them
Anonymous No.64172270 >>64172524 >>64172673 >>64173056 >>64173863
>>64171454 (OP)
makes awesome AKs for decent prices. Arms of America will have them for 1200 dollars but routinely sells them for 1000 dollars. Their wood furniture is perfect.
the 5.56 and 5.45 options don't have chromelined barrels but who honestly cares. Only issue with those one i've heard of is a firing pin issue. Some people have had them break or something. Their 7.62x39 options are good2go.
Anonymous No.64172524 >>64172530
>>64172270
anon basically nailed it. WBP is hands down the nicest import AK's the US can get right now. they look like a work of art in person. i'd personally stick with the 7.62 version since you get the best of everything.
>nb4 that one schizo ruins the thread
Anonymous No.64172530 >>64172531 >>64172618 >>64172786
>>64172524
*bolt breaks in your path
Nothing personnel, kid
Anonymous No.64172531 >>64172565
>>64172530
and there he is...
Anonymous No.64172556
They use billet bolts and trunnions which is sub-PSA tier but hey, at least they sand their furniture with high grit sandpaper!
It’s commercial grade slop for redditors to take pictures of and circle jerk about how nice they look.
Anonymous No.64172565 >>64172786
>>64172531
>Don't believe your lying eyes
Cope
Anonymous No.64172618
>>64172530
Can you find some pictures not from the two bolts that were posted on reddit?
Anonymous No.64172620 >>64172695 >>64172792 >>64173120 >>64174039 >>64174064
>>64171454 (OP)
>buying ziggerslop
Anonymous No.64172673 >>64172797
>>64172270
Get out of here, James
Anonymous No.64172695 >>64172878
>>64172620
Atleast I can buy guns in my country lmao
Anonymous No.64172786 >>64172828
>>64172530
>>64172565
you can find pics of broken AK bolts anywhere. /k/ was trying to say that Zastava was making shit AKs a couples years ago but it died out real quick because it wasn't true. What also isn't true are these morons (you) saying that WBP makes cast metal bolts.
Anonymous No.64172792 >>64172878
>>64172620
>not owning guns at all
Anonymous No.64172797
>>64172673
i have a Fox and Jack and they are amazing; what else can i say bro
ALSO got a free set of WBP wood furniture with my Jack a few years ago, no doubt by accident. Thank you AOA dweebs, very cool!
Anonymous No.64172828 >>64172845 >>64172872
>>64172786
They make billet bolts and trunnions. This is proven.
Anonymous No.64172845 >>64172874
>>64172828
NTA but show some proof then
Anonymous No.64172872
>>64172828
>This is proven.
May we see the proof?
Anonymous No.64172874 >>64172910 >>64172974 >>64173937
>>64172845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KKZLBU2j8&t=142s
Here's a video of their production line showing the billet used for the trunnion along with several steps of the machining process. Notice that the carrier is the only piece that is hammer forged.

If you'd like more confirmation directly from the horses mouth look no further than the AOA listing for each item

Bolt Carrier (forged)
https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-polish-bolt-carrier-body-7-62x39-milled-receiver-ak-spec/
>These are brand new production AKM47 7.62x39 cold hammer forged bolt carriers

Trunnion (billet)
https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-front-trunnion-762/
>100% machined from forged steel

Bolt (billet)
https://armsofamerica.com/New-WBP-Bolt-762x39
>These bolts are fully machined from forged steel
Anonymous No.64172878 >>64172886
>>64172695
>>64172792
>post guns to KGB database cumrade pls
looks like something blew up!
Anonymous No.64172886 >>64172897
>>64172878
>t.no gunz false flagger
Anonymous No.64172897 >>64172908
>>64172886
>no cumrade pls do not call me out I must fite the nafo menace
TZD wins btw
Anonymous No.64172908
>>64172897
>didnt even get the meme right
Anonymous No.64172910 >>64172946
>>64172874
so billet or cast bolts are not proven... and billet trunnion... who cares? Since when do trunnions crack or fail before the firing pin or bolt? I think your gas tube would fall apart before a billet trunnion lol
Anonymous No.64172921
They're nice AKs, not as good as Arsenal but still good.
Anonymous No.64172946 >>64172949 >>64173183 >>64174154
>>64172910
It literally says it’s machined from a forged billet, what the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous No.64172949 >>64172957
>>64172946
anon...
Anonymous No.64172957
>>64172949
Prove that they’re hammer forged
Anonymous No.64172974 >>64173002 >>64173059 >>64174141
>>64172874
On their own website, wbp describes the bolt carrier as "machined from forged steel" and the trunnion as just "forged"
I'm not gonna get into the shitflinging on whether or not the trunnions are actually billet, but the minutia of verbiage used in product descriptions doesn't prove manufacturing processes of any of the parts. Even if the trunnions are billet, nitpicking product descriptions doesn't show that the bolts are billet too.
Anonymous No.64173002 >>64173010
>>64172974
So you’re saying they were accurate on the trunnion product page and on the bolt carrier page but inaccurate on the bolt page?
I’m using Occam’s Razor and saying they're accurate on all 3, you’re reaching for a reason to believe that the bolts are not billet. Post pics of the bolts hot out of the forge before finish machining. (Protip, you can’t)
Anonymous No.64173010 >>64173028
>>64173002
Post pics of the bolts being cast or machined from billet
Whatever you're claiming now
Protip, you can't
Anonymous No.64173028 >>64173208
>>64173010
I’ve never claimed they were cast. I claim the same thing AOA claims, they’re fully machined.
Anonymous No.64173056 >>64173070 >>64173071 >>64173193
>>64172270
>don't have chromelined barrels but who honestly cares
A lot people care, when that feature is part of what makes an AK so damn reliable and durable.
Anonymous No.64173059
>>64172974
>On their own website, wbp describes the bolt carrier as "machined from forged steel" and the trunnion as just "forged"
Why did you modify the quote? They say “machined from HAMMER forged steel” which is consistent with the other post where a distinction is drawn between hammer forging and milled from forged billet.
Anonymous No.64173070
>>64173056
>Who cares if it’s not a chrome lined hammer forged barrel?
>Who cares if the trunnions aren’t hammer forged?
>Who cares if the bolts aren’t hammer forged?
That’s the average WBP shill for you.
Anonymous No.64173071
>>64173056
My Jack has a radom barrel
Anonymous No.64173120 >>64173220
>>64172620
Doesn't an extra chromosome give you downs?
Anonymous No.64173183
>>64172946
it says it's machined from forged steel, not specifically billet. All bolts have to be milled to be finished.
Anonymous No.64173193
>>64173056
lmao a chromelined barrel is not going to make you shoot faster, make the gun lighter, etc. Nitride is fine. It's not like a /k/ op3rat0r is going to shoot out a barrel anytime soon hahaha. ALSO it's not like their guns are all nitrided only. The Jack, which is their standard AKM option, has nice FB Radom barrels.
Anonymous No.64173208 >>64173381
>>64173028
Then post pics of the bolts being fully machined
Anonymous No.64173220
>>64173120
Yes, and missing one gives you harlequin syndrome which is where you're born without skin. Chromosomes are funny
Anonymous No.64173381 >>64173952
>>64173208
You’re the only one claiming they’re hammer forged, WBP isn’t even that brazen.
Anonymous No.64173409 >>64173427
You guys have spent 40 posts arguing in circles about theoretical issues experienced by 1, maybe 2 people. What exactly are you guys trying to prove/disprove? This is getting into "PSA uga booga" levels of retardation. According to the autists in this thread and every other AK thread:
>all USA made AK's bad, trash, no buy
>Zastava bad & heavy
>WASR bad & shit QC
>Arsenal too 'spensive & overpriced
>Rifle Dynamics too boujee
>Other imports too vaporware
>WBP now a reddit gun
So, what? Are we just all in agreement that in 2025 literally no new production AK produced outside of Russia exists?
Anonymous No.64173427 >>64173490 >>64173632
>>64173409
Commercial rifles like WBP, Pioneer and PSA are completely fine for the casual plinker. The issue is WBP is being dishonest by using “forged” and “bolt/trunnion” in the same sentence. The market is like this because the average American consumer is a retard that will go to bat for companies that trick them. This is a bigger deal than non dimpled PSA rivets but no one gives a shit because it’s le heckin import and you can FEEL the quality.
Anonymous No.64173490 >>64173683
>>64173427
So what is your recommended alternative to the "casual plinker" end of the market then?
Anonymous No.64173632 >>64173683
>>64173427
>non dimpled PSA rivets
dont you mean swellneck rivets? lol
you have no AKs anyway
Anonymous No.64173683 >>64173769
>>64173490
Literally just get a WASR. Zastava is fine too but the weight criticism is real. Both of these brands had issues and addressed them because the customer base was vocal and demanded better. WASRs used to have completely fucked magwells and really bad QC on FSBs and Zastava used to not chrome line their barrels. People with standards complained and they (mostly) addressed the complaints. This only happened because people demanded better. Stop running cover for companies that deceive you and stop allowing them to larp as the premium option when they cut big corners. That’s all that I’m asking.

>>64173632
The receiver is dimpled to accept a swellneck rivet. The issue remains regardless of how precise my language is.
Anonymous No.64173769 >>64173932 >>64174056
>>64173683
>it's a wasr faggot everytime
oh yea bro wasr quality such as immediately changing out the furniture, painting it because the finish is so bad, and hammering your front sight post to be a little more in-line
Anonymous No.64173863 >>64173905
>>64172270
Is Atlantic firearms good? They got some for 800
Anonymous No.64173905
>>64173863
as long as it's their Jack model with the side rail and FB Radom barrel, that's a good deal
Anonymous No.64173932 >>64174100
>>64173769
Yeah quality as in properly produced core parts, not cosmetic issues. This post perfectly encapsulates the mentality of the WBPfag.
Anonymous No.64173937 >>64173976 >>64174177 >>64174220
>>64172874
you do know what "machined" means, right? Every forged part is machined, dipshit, the machining came free with your fucking locking lugs. Do you seriously think that the forging is that precise?
Anonymous No.64173952 >>64173995
>>64173381
WBP most certainly is, retard
Anonymous No.64173976 >>64174012 >>64174026 >>64174029
>>64173937
Hey, stupid nigger, they literally show that the trunnion is 100% milled from a billet just as it says in the AOA product description. They’re not partially machining it, sticking it in a die and then finish machining it. I never said that hammer forged parts aren’t finish machined. In fact I’m literally the poster that posted that image along with other forgings in /akg/. The key part is they say they’re FULLY and 100% machining it from forged steel (i.e. a forged billet). As in the grain flow has no relation to the finished part whatsoever. How are you this fucking dense?
Anonymous No.64173995 >>64174003
>>64173952
How does this contradict what I’m saying? Please explain in detail.
Anonymous No.64174003 >>64174004
>>64173995
Anonymous No.64174004 >>64174010
>>64174003
Do you have a learning disability?
Anonymous No.64174010 >>64174033
>>64174004
Can you read four words?
Anonymous No.64174012 >>64174033
>>64173976
Where does it say in the AoA product description that it's milled from a billet?
Anonymous No.64174026
>>64173976
Wow, doesn't say it on the Jack's description either.
Anonymous No.64174029
>>64173976
Matter of fact, it doesn't say it on AoA's Fox, Mini Jack, or Lynx product descriptions either. I'm beginning to think you just went on the internet to tell lies.
Anonymous No.64174033 >>64174051 >>64174058 >>64174154
>>64174010
You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. This is literally the crux of my issue with WBP.
Let’s go back to the post you responded to:
>You’re the only one claiming they’re hammer forged
Can you please show me where it says hammer forged? Again, HAMMER forged.
>>64174012
“100% machined from forged steel”
>but but it could be 100% fined machined from a hammer forged part
Yes, I understand, that’s why I also posted a video of the factory tour that literally shows the process that you’re pretending isn’t happening. They’re saying the block of steel is forged, not that they’re finishing a hammer forged part.
Anonymous No.64174039 >>64174074
>>64172620
>polish company
>ziggers

Huh
Anonymous No.64174051 >>64174061
>>64174033
No, no, nigger. YOU claimed it SPECIFICALLY says billet. Next you'll tell me that KUSA should've hired MORE disgraced former pornstars.
Anonymous No.64174056
>>64173769
>AK niggers are bitching about issues now
They're fucking AKs my guy, get into Battle Rifles if you want to collect quality machined items.
Anonymous No.64174058 >>64174061
>>64174033
And don't play that semantics shit that they need to mention HAMMER forged Nobody fucking cares that much, and if they do, they're already spending $3k on a pre-ban Saiga, $2,500 on an Arsenal, or $2k on a Norinco. or just getting a parts kit build
Anonymous No.64174061 >>64174065
>>64174051
>>64174058
What do you think a billet is?
Anonymous No.64174064
>>64172620
It's Polish
>>64171454 (OP)
Fuck off you've been shitting up akg with your muh wbp qc sucks spam for weeks fucking go away. WBP's ak's are good, especially for new production imports for that price.

I have one and have thousands of rounds through it with 0 issues. I shoot outdoors, crawl through mud with it, shoot in the rain and snow, and happily beat the shit out of it. Just because you find 2 pic's on reddit of fucked up bolts doest mean anything I can do the same shit with literally every firearm ever made. If you don't like the gun fine but stop spamming.
Anonymous No.64174065 >>64174070
>>64174061
Again, provide the source that they SPECIFICALLY say billet. After all, you want to play the semantics game about HAMMER forged. Let's see your proof
Anonymous No.64174070 >>64174078 >>64174105
>>64174065
Did you watch the video where the WBP rep literally hands the interviewer the billet?
Anonymous No.64174074
>>64174039
They're unhinged retards who comped this board
Anonymous No.64174078 >>64174082
>>64174070
Nigger, what do you think is used in the production of CHF ANYTHING? You think they're taking raw iron and bashing it?
Anonymous No.64174082 >>64174096
>>64174078
Did you watch it for a few seconds longer where they show multiple setups of the trunnion mid machining that are clearly not forgings?
Anonymous No.64174096 >>64174119
>>64174082
nice goalpost shifting faggot. You still have yet to provide a single source on AOA SPECIFICALLY claiming that it's billet.
>video doesn't show trunnion mid-machining, only the already machined ones
Anonymous No.64174100
>>64173932
>BUT MY CORE PARTS
lmao gypsy rifle you use while getting cucked by russian sanctions. Ugly ass wasr with fucked up sights and cardboard furniture aint even got no receiver dimples. My WASR is the lamest AK i own hands down.
Anonymous No.64174105 >>64174122
>>64174070
So I suppose that milled receiver AK's are inherently inferior and less reliable, because they were milled out of billet steel, then?
Anonymous No.64174119 >>64174177 >>64174220
>>64174096
I’m not shifting the goalposts, you’re straw-manning my point, go back to my original post and I posted what AOA said. If you read between the lines it’s obvious what they’re saying with their weasel words.
Anonymous No.64174122
>>64174105
I don’t know, you tell me.
Anonymous No.64174141
>>64172974
>I'm not gonna get into the shitflinging on whether or not the trunnions are actually billet,
>proceeds to start the shitflinging on whether or not the trunnions are actually billet,
lol, lmao even.
Anonymous No.64174154 >>64174177
>>64174033
>"100% machined from forged steel"
>this somehow means it's ackshually billet
>>64172946
>It literally says it’s machined from a forged billet,
Reading the actual product listings, nowhere does it say that it's billet, if anything, it says the exact opposite of this.
Anonymous No.64174177 >>64174220 >>64174220
>>64174154
>it says the exact opposite of this.
Herein lies the issue. The wording they used is intentionally misleading where a normal person would assume that it’s a truly forged part. There’s enough wiggle worm where they’re technically correct and they can say “we told you it was 100% machined from a forged rectangular cross section of steel”. That’s my entire issue with WBP more-so than the fact that it’s billet. Perhaps I communicated that poorly, I’ll admit I did, let’s see if WBP does the same!

Please answer me this: how can these features >>64174119 exist from this forging blank >>64173937. Obviously I’m not asking for there to be a crusty chicken nugget, they’d need a surface to index off of. What I’m asking is how could the square corners on the top edge of the WBP part exist when they’re rounded off in the forged part.
Anonymous No.64174220 >>64174279
>>64174177
The issue I take with getting into this weasel words stuff is that it's just too nuanced for it to matter. If you want to get technical, billet cannot legally be called forged because it technically isn't. It's essentially casting, just not casting the part itself, and instead casting it into either a block or a cylinder, and going from there. In either process, as long as the part is heat treated properly (notably absent in cast trunnions, for example) the gun won't grenade.

as far as these images go, >>64174119 >>64174177, because we don't see the ENTIRE process, from casting the initial lump of steel from the ingredient materials, to whatever forging may or may not have happened, to the machining step, it's entirely possible that the sharp angles could have shown up. Forgings are intentionally oversized, shown on the forgings of the bolt carriers we see in the video, and are then machined down to what we see on the gun. picrel is an Izhmash trunnion, the same manufacturer as the raw blank in >>64173937, and if you look up at the barrel pin area, it's notably sharper on the corners and flatter on every surface compared to the raw blank.
Anonymous No.64174279 >>64174307
>>64174220
>If you want to get technical, billet cannot legally be called forged because it technically isn't.
Fine I’ll concede this, I’m probably irresponsibly using billet when I should instead call it a forged steel rectangular cross sectioned blank. It doesn’t detract from the fact that a forged cuboid machined to shape is not at all equivalent to a forged blank that is finish machined.

If you don’t think this is what they’re doing you’re coping to an unreasonable degree. The Izhmash blank is lacking features that are on the front top edge and left top edge of the image.
Anonymous No.64174307 >>64174344
>>64174279
I bring up legality because the US is a very litigious country, so claiming something is forged when it technically isn't could be grounds for a lawsuit, especially if it explodes in use. Regardless, because of the part geometry, a billet trunnion isn't that likely to fail compared to a proper forged one. Sure, the bolt is considerably more likely to fail, but bolts are relatively cheap if you just buy surp and lap the lugs a little if needed.
Anonymous No.64174344 >>64174781
>>64174307
>I bring up legality because the US is a very litigious country, so claiming something is forged when it technically isn't could be grounds for a lawsuit
I appreciate the clarification. I’m used to using the billet as a fill-in for rectangular cross section stock and didn’t realize I was implying casting and can see how it I’m being contradictory on its face by saying forged billet. That’s a pretty big communication fuckup on my end.

What I’m seething at it that they’re selling us the middle object but leaving enough plausible deniability that it could be the right object and that’s what most people would assume. Maybe it’s not malicious and they’re just trying to get away from casting since they used to use cast trunnions. Either way it’s lame because the PSA GF3 has a hammer forged bolt and trunnion.
Anonymous No.64174781
>>64174344
I think the crucial point for billet parts is where the grain is broken. People are used to billet being seen as the premium for AR parts, for example, because depending on the part it's perceived as offering a higher degree of precision in machining than forged parts. Most of the time, the same machine would be doing the machine work regardless of whether they used bar stock or forgings. This is more notable on lowers and uppers, which often DO have higher quality machining for billet ones. In the case of an AR, this is all figured out, industry standard, and the companies and buyers know how the grain structure flows and how the structure reacts to pressure. I think the major hangup people have with using billet for AK parts is that, for the most part, the industry hasn't quite figured out the optimal way to cut the bar stock to ensure optimal grain structure, and minimize weak points. Companies like WBP have had rocky steps to this, evident by a few broken bolts and sheared locking lugs, but they're getting better with it over time. Their trunnions, judging by machine marks, seem to show a grain structure flowing horizontally, where potential failure points are minimized. On a smaller part like the bolt, there's really no reason to use bar stock steel over a forging, other than what I suspect is a lack of hammer forging dies. I imagine if they had them, they'd use them, like they do with the bolt carriers. Ultimately, the Jack rifles like the GF3, have a proven track record, and show a similar failure rate yet different failure points. I suspect the bolts that failed were made from rectangular stock, while the bolts that don't fail might be made from round stock, like the carriers. I have no evidence of this, other than the way in which the bolt lugs sheared. This could also be overpressure surplus ammo, hand loads, or any number of other factors. I know for myself I'll trust the burndowns and reviews from reputable reviewers over claims on plebbit
Anonymous No.64174813 >>64174938
>>64171454 (OP)
You should've bought a Saiga.
Anonymous No.64174938 >>64175107
>>64174813
My 2012 Saiga came from the factory with a bent barrel. It was bent to the left and drove me crazy, I sold it. Fuck that garbage
Anonymous No.64175060 >>64175189
>wasr fanboy who doesn't own a wasr's autistic meltdown is spilling out of /akg/
Anonymous No.64175107 >>64175183
>>64174938
Dude you had a gun that could shoot around corners and you sold it? What a fag!
Anonymous No.64175183
>>64175107
kek
Anonymous No.64175189 >>64175191 >>64175983
>>64175060
>is shown evidence of WBP being commercial grade junk
>somehow makes it about WASRs
Does the Gypsy persecution never end?
Anonymous No.64175191 >>64175211
>>64175189
you haven't shown proof or listed source for bolts being cast, stop acting like you showed everyone
Anonymous No.64175211 >>64175238
>>64175191
I haven't posted anything kek. But my eyes work and can literally see broken shit in this thread.
You're lashing out at WASR boogeymen like a spaz.
>but have some more broke WBP commercial trash ;^)
Anonymous No.64175238 >>64175248
>>64175211
I own a WASR you stupid faggot, you're still retarded if you think that pic proves WBP bolts are somehow cast
Anonymous No.64175248 >>64175259
>>64175238
Nobody cares nigger, and I never said cast.
>pictures of broken bolts don't mean they broke
wdhmbt
Anonymous No.64175259 >>64175288
>>64175248
you just got proven wrong, now prove you even own guns
>you won't
Anonymous No.64175288 >>64175290
>>64175259
You proved nothing, and I have nothing to prove.
Cope, seethe, and dilate
Anonymous No.64175290 >>64175333
>>64175288
kek I knew it. You don't even own an AK, you're a bitch and your WBP is cast arguments have no value
Anonymous No.64175333 >>64175345
>>64175290
Never made that claim, so your argument is invalid.
Enjoy your commercial grade cope.
Anonymous No.64175345 >>64175455
>>64175333
dumb bitch I just showed you I own a wasr
Anonymous No.64175455 >>64175463
>>64175345
Where? Some random pic from god knows where with no timestamp.
Yeah, you sure showed me.
>Here's mine, they're real and definately mine.
Cope more, it's palpable.
Anonymous No.64175463 >>64175488
>>64175455
You don't own an AK. Nobody cares what you say pussy
Anonymous No.64175488 >>64175511
>>64175463
I just posted them faggot. Don't you believe that those are mine? But it says so in the file name though.
Here's a timestamp too.
>COPE
Anonymous No.64175511 >>64175545
>>64175488
kek let it be known, the bitch making up shit obsessed with WBP doesn't even own guns and has to resort to this cringe. You exposed yourself today little guy
Anonymous No.64175545
>>64175511
>Consequences will never be the same
Anonymous No.64175983 >>64176159
>>64175189
>he thinks he's subtle
everytime someone talks about TRUE MUDDA RUSSIA QUALITY it's always a clueless wasr fanboy, which is funny because wasrs are just about bottom of the barrel in terms of military factory AKs
Anonymous No.64176159 >>64176806
>>64175983
This whole thread is about WBP, I didn't bring WASRs into it. I merely asked why that was. And nobody mentioned Russian AKs at all.
>WBPfags are as fragile as their bolts.
Anonymous No.64176806 >>64176827
>>64176159
everytime people start shitting on WBPs or Zastavas it's a WASNIGGR
Anonymous No.64176827
>>64176806
It's a PSA shill and they give him a dime every time you respond to him. We've already figured out he's a no guns, he's probably a jeet in Bangladesh.
Anonymous No.64176836 >>64176866 >>64176939
Test
Anonymous No.64176866
>>64176836
You haven't been banned, anon.
Anonymous No.64176939
>>64176836
-icles
haha
Anonymous No.64176978
>everytime people start shitting on WBPs or Zastavas it's a WASNIGGR