Thread 64204315

Did soldiers in nam dress like this? Sleeveless torn up shirts and bandanas? Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militaries, or were simply let by the US gov to look like hobos?

>>64204315 (OP)
>Sleeveless torn up shirts and bandanas?
they wouldnt deliberately tear their sleeves off
not just because its against regulation but because the sleeves helped keep mosquitoes from biting them
not just that but clothes were always a bottom tier priority compared to petrol and bullets, so they werent going to rip them up when a new one wasnt guaranteed

it was more common to roll up their sleeves which did the same thing but without permanently damaging it

No, platoon is just a movie women made up to ogle biceps for 2 hours

>>64204315 (OP)
Vietnam was a draft, you can't hold conscripts to strict grooming standards, what are you going to do, put them in the brig and not let them fight the war they didn't volunteer to fight in?

'nam thread?

>>64204367
Interestingly enough, we actually had more draftees in WWII than Vietnam and more volunteers in Vietnam than WWII.

Conscripts would be more likely to personalize gear than enlisted due to lower standards, especially because no one wanted to be drafted for jungle patrols on foot against an entrenched enemy in their own geographic neighborhood.

>>64204420
do you mean by percentage?
because over 6M men volunteered for service in WW2
the other thing to note is that FDR actually ended voluntary military service in order to keep enlistment fair
you could volunteer to be put on the draft, but you could no longer directly volunteer to be on the

while conscription was enacted in vietnam, they were mostly stationed in places like west germany to free up volunteers for combat duty

>>64204420
Probably enough stories from WWII vets telling them to volunteer for Vietnam so they can choose an MOS and just just be drafted for meat waves

that's a movie...

Roughly half of US fighting troops at any given point in the war were volunteers. Our draftees had less reason to feel motivated like in WWII.
But shit like hair too long and excessive personalization of equipment and personal gear wasn't until shortly before we stopped playing an active role anymore.
To a degree yes, but nothing at all like your pic til like '71

you have any idea how hot it is in the humid jungle?

>>64204617
Most people here don't leave their mom's house and if they shoot it's at a 25yrd indoor range.
Once you realize this, the retarded opinions make sense

>>64204617
hotter than the desert?

>>64204661
Yes. Humidity makes things so much worse as it prevents sweat from evaporating. There's a reason why jungle tribals are effectively naked and desert tribals wear loose full body coverings

>>64204617

That's such a kino pic.
> SSG Barnes in the foreground. "We need every swinging dick in the field, and you know that"
> The Accountant just clean yeeted some VC/villager from 450 yards with his M14 and is savoring the moment.
> The 60 gunner is cursing the Pig and telling himself a dirty joke as he clears the feed tray.
> Bo in the background is enjoying a Marlboro and can't wait to tell the boys back in Possum Corner how fun this shit was.

>>64204315 (OP)
Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militaries, or were simply let by the US gov to look like hobos?

Man armies are such faggots:
>you can’t hecking kill that gook- your boots and buttons aren’t polished and your hair is too long!!

>>64204809
>Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militaries
Of course they did. But morons like OP think hollywood movies are reality. Next he's going to be asking if medieval knights really fought without helmets like they did in Braveheart.

>>64204420
More men volunteered for WW2 than the US was willing to send due to wanting a functional economy.
The only reason there was a draft for WW2 is they wanted to send the uneducated farmer instead of letting the educated engineer volunteer.

>>64204661
I think fear from dying (slowly and agonizingly) from nerve gas is a vital distinction between Vietnam and Desert Storm.
>NVA uses nerve gas
>USA wins the war in (actually) 3 days (with nukes)
Alas, the communists were not that stupid. The Khmer Rouge, on the other hand... I am surprised they did not do anything this retarded.

>>64204766
This. It’s like being in a wet sauna vs a dry sauna.

>>64204359
They all look like a bunch of goobers, all skinnyfat, no chest hair and manlets by today's standard. I wonder where the roided bearded gymbro spec ops look came from

>>64204420
Yeah, because they knew they were gonna get drafted anyway.

>>64204483
No shit dumbo, you think people here haven't seen Platoon?

>>64204833
I was quoting OP my guy

>>64204475
My great grandfather (father's mother's father) did this in WWII. He volunteered for the merchant marines to avoid combat. His son in law (my grandfather), however, hated my grandmother and loved the action so much that he volunteered for three tours in 'Nam as infantry. He would later go on to abandon his children and start a new family on the other side of town; I've never met him.

>>64204880
Only came around during GWOT and its mostly a Seals thing, most soldiers in today's age would be called skinnyfat by most of /fit/ since soldiers mostly just haul shit all day on their core instead of doing proper lifts.

Ain't nothing like a piece of pussy, except maybe the Indy 500

>>64204880
cringe

>>64204809
That's a discipline thing and in Vietnam at times the discipline totally went to shit
That's why it's the aesthetically superior war

>>64204880
>I wonder where the roided bearded gymbro spec ops look came from
GWOT - instead of patrolling a jungle for three days straight, where being light and energy-efficient is of benefit, they started doing direct action raids every night, often multiple ones a night, for six months straight, while during the days they had nothing to do except rest, lift, and prep for the next night. And many of them turned to roids just to keep up because of how draining this was

>>64204420
My uncle "volunteered" when the alternative was going to prison after he was caught stealing a safe.

>>64204315 (OP)
oliver stone spent his considerable talents as a kremli propagandist, go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castro

>>64205196
What's kremli? What's puti?

>>64205189

I never got how "join the military or go to jail" was supposed to work. What happens if you accept but the military rejects you? Do you get sent back to prison?

>>64205265
Generally the judge had a pretty good idea if you were some kind of crippled by the time you got in front of him. Army tanked standards hard in vietnam.

>>64205196
>go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Putin_Interviews
thus
snowden
jfk
etc etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(2009_film)

he's talented but a kremlin shill

>>64205196
>>64205288
meds

>>64205265
They weren't rejecting very many mid vietnam

>>64204315 (OP)
Depends on what time frame you're talking about. If its 1969-1971 when the US basically threw in the towel and started pulling troops out to transfer everything to South Vietnam, then yes.

>>64204359
what are they even doing in this picture lol chopping up a hat?

>>64204420
>>64204367
The number of draftees in Vietnam increased as the war went on. There was more volunteers during the first years and more draftees on the later years

>>64205360
the guy with the axe is blindfolded. figure it out, genius.

>>64204661
you understand that in the desert it gets cold at night right

>>64205374
what doesn't get cold at night?

>>64205189
that happened in WWII too though

>>64204661
i've been in the Iraqi desert in the summer, it's actually not that bad. the wind is strong and blows into your face like a hair dryer, but the heat is very, very dry. Summer in western Europe is worse desu. Just stay out of the sun, cover your head, drink a lot of water, and you're good.

I've heard stories about the humidity of jungles in SEA, a friend of mine did a tour into the jungle of thailand, he said once you enter the jungle it's like walking through a curtain made of a hot, wet towel into a sauna. After 30 seconds, you're completely drenched in sweat. That's honestly the worst kind of heat i can imagine.

>>64205378
It gets particularly cold at night in a desert, the temperature variation in arid, windy climates is absurd, to the point where at day it's scorching hot and at night it's freezing cold.

>>64204880
The roid look only came into fashion during the 80s, the era of action films starring Schwarzenegger and his ilk. Before then you'll never see many knowing what the body builder physique looked like, let alone an entire generation of grunts emulating it. And of course there's a time lag because it was the children and teenagers who grew up watching these films that were into lifting. The military doesn't like it because it's form over function, but it can't be stopped and it's basically a part of culture now.

>>64205410
>Yes. Humidity makes things so much worse as it prevents sweat from evaporating

>>64205410
>I've heard stories about the humidity of jungles in SEA, a friend of mine did a tour into the jungle of thailand, he said once you enter the jungle it's like walking through a curtain made of a hot, wet towel into a sauna. After 30 seconds, you're completely drenched in sweat. That's honestly the worst kind of heat i can imagine.

Humidity plays such an important part that there's "wet bulb temperature" they measure.

When humidity is very high, you don't even need to be in an extremely hot place to get so hot that you pass out or even die!

>>64205517

Also, for reference, tropical areas have a constant relative humidity of 70-90%.

The chart assumes direct sunlight, you may not get much of that inside tropical forests but the end result doesn't even differ much.

>>64205371
I don't get it

>>64204442
Why didn't the US cut down the forest?

>>64204315 (OP)
Must have only been a Vietnam war thing where this was accepted in the field. I was in the Army but never went to war but being "out of uniform" was not something you wanted and could get you into trouble.

>>64205579
what do you think they were using napalm and agent orange for?

>>64205579
What do you think agent orange and the 'raimbow chemicals' were you colossal retard

>>64204807
spot on
>The Accountant just clean yeeted some VC/villager from 450 yards with his M14 and is savoring the moment.
ouch
I felt that one

>>64204661
>hotter than the desert?
not always, but humidity is a whole nother son of a bitch
I've had both and I prefer the desert, assuming equal temps
go down to Florida or get in a wet sauna, fully clothed, with the heat turned to about 95 degrees and imagine living all day like that

>>64205560
seems they were just dicking around

>>64205517
>be onna ship
>be inna reactor plant
>hot as fuck, it's like 104 degrees centerline
>lots of shit is steam driven
>generators, pumps, reboilers, oh my!
>get shit on by senior enlisted and officers for having the audacity to wear coveralls half-mast and sit down in the unconditioned vented air
ask me anything

>>64204880
>>64204973
>>64205187
>>64205461
>you may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like

>>64204981
Kekd

>>64205724
>>64205560
It looks like they bet he couldn't chop something blindfolded and then when he tried it they put his hat in the chop zone as a prank.
We did shit like that.

>>64204420
That’s because we stopped taking volunteers after 1942 and all recruits after that were drafted

>>64204483
Made by two Vietnam vets and based on the life of the director

>>64204554
Nah by 67-68 which was when stone was in nam

>>64205196
Every instance of combat in platoon was based on real engaments oliver stone thought in . Also dale dye was on set to keep things as they were

>>64206652
I was speaking in general.

>>64205579
You don't know about the battle dozers?

>>64206663
>based on
this phrase does duty like a platoon of Atlases holding up Hollywood's topsy-turvy view of reality

>>64206645
that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made. for example the lone survivor actors refused to wear face paint when the advisors asked them to wear it.

>>64206761
based on a true story just means someone told the writer a story. the story does not need to be verified at all. that's how based on true story horror movies are made.

>>64205293
You need meds if you don't know Oliver Stone has been a kremlin bullshit faucet for decades
>>64205288
>>go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castro
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Putin_Interviews
>thus
>snowden
>jfk
>etc etc
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(2009_film)
>he's talented but a kremlin shill

>>64206783
lol yes let's talk about lone survivor and historical accuracy lmao

>>64206761
no moron, every exchnage of combat in the movie is based on a combat exchnage that oliver stone was in from the initIal night ambush, the corssfire ambush where oliver stone got a bronze star and the new years day battle of 1968 and fire base burt

>>64206783
lone survivor is slop propaganda.

>that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made.
nothing needed to be changed

>>64205196
>>64205288
>>64206793
Nigger, he was wounded twice in Nam and got a Bronze Star

>>64206783
>that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made. for example the lone survivor
could have stopped there, that whole movie is fake bullshit.

>>64205613
11 larp

>>64204359
My grandpa took that pic.

>>64205360
Like the others said hours ago, you bet the guy he can't hit the board with an axe while blindfolded. When he takes you up on the bet and is blindfolded, you put his hat on the board and he chops it in half. Now his cover is fucked up and everybody laughs at him.

>>64207501
I don't think anybody was intentionally ripping sleeves off

>>64207523
"Yep, it's fucked"

>>64207487
cool pics, thanks

>>64207583
And gramps himself

>>64207523
Having a tailor chop the sleeves of your jungle fatigues was a not-unheard-of mod desu. Here’s Dale Dye wearing one like that in Platoon. You can find originals for sale online.

>>64206808
>>64206829
>>64207257
and how do you know platoon is actual factual?

>>64206291
We'd have won the Vietnam war if people STOPPED PUTTING THEIR HANDS IN THEIR FUCKING POCKETS.

>>64204381
>i don't want no teenage queen
>i just want my m14

>>64207786
Because I’m not a retard

>>64208028
i see

>>64204315 (OP)
If you were cool enough, you could dress like picrel and have beers with your friends.

>>64206640
That's retarded.

>Hey, we need more troops. Should we call up some of the men who volunteered to go fight?
>Nah, draft the people who didn't want to go at all instead.

>>64204880
It comes from faggots that spend weeks or months waiting to be called to plant a bomb or something while everyone else does the heavy lifting, they have nothing else to do

>>64205351
Lieutenant Samuel Hyde second from left

>>64207605
Cool pics, thanks for sharing anon. Hoping you managed to meet and have a good relationship with him

>>64208181
No it’s simply a more streamlined version of processing men into the military . You could volunteer to go towards the front of the line and get to choose what branch you were sent to

>>64206903
>defending a russian influence threat actor

>>64208327
do you check for russians under your bed at night?

talk to any nam vet about the accuracy of the movie

>>64208181
>Hey, we need more troops. Should we call up some of the men who volunteered to go fight?
The problem was that volunteers would arrive in large waves
So this would overwhelm recruitment offices and training grounds
Mandatory draft only meant troops arrived at training grounds regularly and units would get replacements regularly

Another problem is that it was often unfair
Some people would game the system by deliberately volunteering into a unit that was nowhere near the front line
A lot of volunteers had to be turned down because they had critical work that was more valuable at home rather than on the field, welders, farmers, and so on
The draft ensured that war-critical industries wouldnt be drained by well-meaning but mistaken workers rushing off to do their part

>>64205461
steroids were first used by the east germans in the 1960s and had already filtered into the performance world long before the 1980s. they also don't make you big; there most likely mechanism of action (no one actually knows) is blocking cortisol receptors and therefore allowing more training to be performed in the same time frame. even those skinny assed triathletes and marathon runners are on steroids anon, every elite athlete has been using them for about five decades now.

>>64208553
Scoob is natty, and that's all that matters.

>>64204880
That's still what most soldiers look like, huge muscles with minimal body fat don't actually offer that much of a tactical advantage.

>>64204880
Are you fucking retarded?

>>64204327

My grandfather served in Vietnam and he actually preferred to wear his sleeves down despite the heat specifically because he had suffered from a bout of malaria as a child that had nearly killed him and was absolutely terrified of mosquitos.

>>64204315 (OP)
did soldiers reek? just imagine going through the jungle for days on end and no access to showers or bathrooms. did they even carry changes of clothes and underwear? how often do they change, and as time progressed how has hygiene and sanitation developed in the field?

>>64208757
>did soldiers reek
They still do and we have access to baby wipes now. Some Soldiers stink in garrison, anon. You ever counsel a kid over his lack of hygiene? I have. Shit's wild.

>>64204981
charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...

>>64208757
A lot of them didn't have to imagine it, because that's how it was. I recall reading that they did, where they could carry an extra pair of underwear or socks if they could afford to, but I don't reckon they had many opportunities to be dry enough to change.

>>64206783
After having to wake up early and shave only to have to smear face paint all over my raw recently shaved face for four months, i don't blame them. Still saved all my leftover facepaint for some reason. It's in a a bag somewhere. Also fun fact, some people have faces that just absorb the face paint. One guy on my platoon would look like he hadn't applied anything after 30 minutes.

>>64207487
nice
tell him thanks for everything

>>64205517
I learned that this summer here in Europe. There were a handful of days where the AC in our office crapped out and we were cooked alive. I was barely able to stay awake and I got so delirious from the heat that I started writing complete gibberish and random insults on the work computer and I noticed it only a day later......

>>64204880
> these soldiers don't look like the bara musclehunks in my gay porn videos
> they MUST be manlets!!1!!11!
You realize that's what a natural "muscular" build looks like, right? See any strongman's build.

>>64204880
This entire board has become filled with 16 year old discord kiddies who don't actually know or care about the subject matter here.

>>64207487
Great prank and pic

>>64208767
>You ever counsel a kid over his lack of hygiene?
My dad was in basic in 1980, they had a dirty guy, told me the drill Sgt gave them some steel wool and told the boys to clean him up.
I guess they also beat the absolute shit out of someone in a blanket party. The old army was wild

I'm team no-shirt

>>64206426
>vinning
vinrar

>>64204315 (OP)
A more common thing was modifying blouses into a vest for magazines. The LB gear had not really adapted to the switch to assault rifles from battle rifles so that was a common modification. Usually the sleeves would be kept though, since you wanted to be able to roll them down and put DEET on the cuffs/hems before sleeping. Also pretty big difference between Marines and Soldiers since USMC had mandatory flak vest use and the Army did not. NSW was also way different in their uniforms than Army SF/Rangers/LRRP. Even pilots had totally non uniform gear, a mix of orange flight suits, regular OD, and patterned camouflage, or for Army aviators even fatigues instead of flight suits.

>>64215738
>Also pretty big difference between Marines and Soldiers since USMC had mandatory flak vest use and the Army did not
That's interesting, I expected Marines to make do with whatever they get. What was the reasoning/context behind that?

>>64206426
to be that fag - is there a pic of topless vining or in a shirt so that we could estimate how athletic he appeared to be?

>>64208040
>>64208069
stache makes him look like a grandpa while he was in his late 20s in these pics lol.
chill movie btw, when i first started watching it i thought it's some alt history bleeding heart slop before finding out about the real event

>>64208361
>do you check for russians under your bed at night?
No, I have mines under my bed for that.

>>64215845
Easily found by Google image searching his name. Pretty sinewy unexceptional build, but that just adds to him seeming harmless

>>64215825
>What was the reasoning/context behind that?
Marines were hard core into flak protection and it showed. In the osprey book flak vest and ballistic it showed in the casualty data. If you wear flak then you obviously will suffere less from fragmenation but also local contanimation from dirt, wood and other nasty shit.

But it was really fucking hot however. Im sure anyone that has served in the jungle will really consider the possibility of goin inna jungle with no flak protection just to reduce heat casualties.

>>64216060
He was and maybe still is into mountaineering, so it would make sense to have that kind of physique. It's kind of surreal to me that he's still alive and goes on podcasts and stuff.

>>64216120
It seems like the universally best body for real world practical applications is to be skinny with muscles

>>64204661

Yes, high humidity is worse. Familiarize yourself with the concept of a wet-bulb temperature.

Sweating keeps body temps down because of evaporative cooling. Humidity of the air plays a huge role in how this works.

Look up a wet-bulb temp chart.

A mid 80 F temp with mid 80's relative humidity is more dangerous than a dry heat of 110 degrees.


Desert heats are generally more tolerable assuming a person had enough drinking water to keep up with their sweat loss.

>>64204661
Nothing is worse than damp heat. Your sweat doesn't evaporate, your clothes get soaked, and most dangerously you absolutely cannot effectively cool down. Now add in a jungle or thick forest where no breeze can get through, it gets really fucking bad quickly.

>>64216584
>A mid 80 F temp with mid 80's relative humidity
>played at an outdoor airsoft event that was 87 degrees with 90% humidity
>drank like 6 liters of water within 4 hours and had a salt tab at the start of that time as well
>still got heat exhaustion, had to leave early because of how dizzy i was not to mention throwing up
Fuck humidity, I can't imagine living in that shit year round in the south.

>>64204315 (OP)
No. And the shit the platoon got up to during the village would have seen people doing prison time.

>>64216873
they did dress like that and shit like that happens all the time

>>64216873
>would have seen people doing prison time.
it would have if elias wasnt fragged before the investigatIon could be held. the last scene in the movie is like a week after the village incident

>>64216111
>heat casualties
Is bullshit and the Marines knew this. A heat casualty can be treated and returned to duty in under a hour, while fragmentation injures or worse deaths take months to recover from.

>>64216878
>entire thread is pictures showing otherwise
>retards have only one incident throughout the entire war to go off of
/pol/yp brain at work.

>>64216136
Caveman physique. The true ol' reliable.

>>64208705
>My grandfather served in Vietnam and he actually preferred to wear his sleeves down despite the heat specifically because he had suffered from a bout of malaria as a child that had nearly killed him and was absolutely terrified of mosquitos.
Yep. I want to shill Robert Young Pelton's podcast because he talks about malaria around 36:00 and how you need to cover up:
https://youtu.be/Y06aPfX9DWQ

>>64216998
Why do I have this doubt you do very much during the summer that's not within eyeshot of an air conditioned building?

>>64217075
I am a Marine you dipshit, and have worked in a steel mill and with fucking jet engines. You can withstand high temperatures if you drink water and acclimate to the local temperature.
>projection
Every time.

>>64217110
>>projection
You wouldn't know projection if it projected on to your fucking face

>>64217128
Seethe harder faggot.

No.64204315
yes. 'nam was hot as hell.
flak jacket and m16 and a good helmet.

armor is for rookies
get good or go home.
cover grants more protection then nam ärmorëver could. gen 2 armor was dog shit against 5.56mm
might as well be shooting naked.

>>64217007
hey buddy kill yourself

>>64205351

>>64217157
I never denied your claim of being a marine.

>>64204880
The endurance needed to maintain PT and jungleruck with 80 pounds of gear has absolutely nothing to do with bodyfat or muscle size.
Go find pictures of late 1800s coal miners.

You're an idiot, and a faggot who needs to see big muscly men to feel secure.

>>64204880
Being jacked was not the norm back in the day. This is a stoker, the guy who shovels coal into the train's steam engine all day, he's not built like today's gymrats with glamor muscles

>>64204981
Horrible person and retard but he seemed good in combat at least

>>64217274
I might be too autistic to decode what he's feeling in that moment

>>64204880
>They all look like a bunch of goobers, all skinnyfat, no chest hair and manlets by today's standard
Because, like all soilders throughout history, they're teenagers and early 20's. That's what young men look like.
>I wonder where the roided bearded gymbro spec ops look came from
GWOT special squirrel operators being allowed to grow beards for operating operations without immediately sticking out in the middle east.

>>64205378
Vietnam. Florida.

>>64217292
Amused but empathetic. It's the face you pull when watching someone get kicked in the nuts, or your extremely drunk friend start chatting up a fat chick.
t. Fellow autist

>>64206569
>>64207487
>It looks like they bet he couldn't chop something blindfolded and then when he tried it they put his hat in the chop zone as a prank.
>We did shit like that.
>you bet the guy he can't hit the board with an axe while blindfolded. When he takes you up on the bet and is blindfolded, you put his hat on the board and he chops it in half. Now his cover is fucked up and everybody laughs at him.
Why would you even do that? Jesus Christ, the unrelenting horror of enlisted life.

>>64217414
It gets boring as hell when you're not rucking thru the jungle.

Fuck it, I'll post a few more of his pics that aren't necessarily thread related

>>64204343
I always thought that platoon was just a shitty Apocalypse Now knock off. But apparently it's mostly true stories from Oliver Stone's time in Vietnam.

>>64217380
Now looking at the picture it seems so obvious. Usually I'm not that bad with that sort of thing

>>64217494
I do actually really enjoy the movie, it's a regular in my rotation of movies I'll idly have playing while I'm doing something

>>64207605
>No magazine???

>>64217507
I guess one of the reasons we sent M48 tanks there as opposed to M60s, was that the heavier armor and armament wasn't as necessary in Vietnam vs replacing the M48 fleet in Europe

>>64208040
But I'm not cool enough

>>64217513
I assume he was on R&R for that pic.

>>64217522

>>64217277
dude look at that stokers forearms and hands, the grip strength would be insane.

>>64217494
fuck Apocalypse Now and it's weapon inaccuracies and speud intellectual bullshit. 3 hour borefest

>>64218780
But he's not ripped. He's very normal sized. What he has are functional muscles, something gymrats don't actually have. You can't get from the gym what manual labor can give you, it just won't look as sexy

>>64218847
No-gains faggots pretending to understand musculature is adorable. Never change, lanky retarded faggots.

>>64218879
Okay, enjoy not being able to actually lift anything irl

>>64204327
>>64208705
>>64217071
>not just because its against regulation but because the sleeves helped keep mosquitoes from biting them

Vietnamese courtesans like Lương Thị Minh Nguyệt and Đào Thị Huệ during the Lam Sơn uprising in 1418-1427 AD used this against Han Chinese soldiers who they were seducing and sleeping with.

The Vietnamese girls convinced the Chinese to sleep in burlap gunnysacks at night and let the Vietnamese girls tie the burlap bags tightly every night, to avoid getting bitten by mosquitos.

The Chinese soldiers agreed to the femdom bondage since they were horny and let the Vietnamese girls tie them in their bags like in a BDSM session.

The Vietnamese girls served wine and food to the Chinese soldiers while singing and having sex with them.

Then one day before Vietnamese rebels attacked the outposts, the Vietnanese girls drugged the wine and then after tying the Chinese in the burlap bags they beat them with sticks and tied stones to the bags and threw them into rivers and canals to drown.

>>64218928
>>64204766
>>64204315 (OP)
During the Trưng sisters' rebellion, the Vietnamese Trưng sisters and 36 Vietnamese female generals (ranging from 17 year old girls to 30 year olds and 40 year old women) fought against China in 40-43 AD.

Their soldiers of the female generals were mostly Vietnamese women as well.

The Vietnamese girl and women generals captured 65 cities, beheading Han Chinese generals in battle and after capturing them.

One of the Trung sisters became ruler and the 36 Vietnamese female generals were made into princesses and assigned fiefs across Vietnam.

In one battle between a Vietmamese female general and Han Chinese soldiers, the Chinese soldiers were ordered to strip naked by their general to shock the Vietnamese females.

The Vietnamese female general was Xuân Nương who was 17-20 years old dueing the war when this happened, she was wounded and her armour and bodice came off and her own breast got exposed.

The Chinese general and his soldiers stripped naked to shock her and he ordered his soldiers to grab and wrestle the Vietnamese women with their bodies.

At first she was shocked but then regained her composure and she used her sword to behead the naked Chinese general and killed and hacked the naked Chinese soldiers.

Vietnamese female general Lê Ngọc Trinh, better known as Ả Chạ took her own boudice off when her sword broke, leaving her breasts exposed, and tied her bodice around a piece of her sword or a stone and swung it as a weapon, killing Chinese soldiers with it. She was 20-23 during the war. She also beheaded a Han Chinese general (called Lưu Ứng Khâm in Vietnamese) after capturing him while he was sleeping and having him tied up.

>>64218826
>weapon inaccuracies
Which ones?
https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now

>>64218928
>>64218933
Vietnamese female general Ả Lự Minh Vương and her female soldiers ambushed a camp of drunk sleeping Chinese soldiers at night.

Since it was dark, she ordered her female soldiers to find the Chinese by groping their bodies and smelling their alcoholic breath to identify and kill them.

Vietnamese female general Thánh Thiên who was 30-33 when watching happened beheaded multiple Han Chinese generals and thousands of Han Chinese soldiers in battle.

Vietnamese female general Lê Chân beheaded 1000 Chinese generals.

She also forced Chinese generals to crawl between her legs under her crotch while she stood up with her legs spread.

There are more stories of the Vietnamese female generals and their battles that are too long to list in a single post.

Keep in mind that the Chinese fought only in north Vietnam mostly in the Red River delta region.

It's less hot than south Vietnam but north Vietnam is still a hot malaria infested land compared to China.

has chinkspammer switched to vietspamming or is this a new schizo?

>>64216111
have wandered around the tropics for a bit
there are two schools of thought even amongst the natives
one is: long sleeves help reduce bites and scratches, they're worth the discomfort from humidity
the other is: since they don't ELIMINATE bites and scratches 100%, sod it, cool down and just let the insects have at it
the halfway house is: short sleeves, long trousers. because most insect life (not all) is down on the ground
even the natives can't decide which is optimal

I opted for the halfway house
my legs and feet were often bloody as a zombie apocalypse, but it was bearable

>>64218826
Boy you sure do have bad taste in movies, not to mention a lack of patience and focus to enjoy longer films. You must be at least 18 to post here.

>>64204963
sounds exactly like my grandfather. we cousins?

>>64204617
this
hot humid is literally the worst kind of temperature environment
I'd give up my rifle and settle for a sidearm in combat for just an hour inside an air conditioned room in that soup

>>64215825
Mostly what >>64216111 said. Another factor was after the initial operations around Da Nang, the USA and USMC split their responsibilities with the USMC going into mostly a counter insurgency role in the south while the army took over the regular combat against the NVA in the central highlands etc. Counter insurgency always has a way bigger threat profile from mines/ieds etc so it was even more important for them than for guys fighting the NVA in regular main force type engagements

>>64205517
>Not living in Florida

>>64206291
I was a power plant mechanic / BSME for 18 years worked my way up
Power generation , going inside water boxes on the condensers to plug tubes when one water box on the same unit is still in service
We would crawl out of the water box in July/August when the plant was on full load step back into the basement and freeze our asses off at the 94-100 degree basement temperature

>>64216111
>using grenades in CQB at under 30 feet with no cover, hoping the flak jacket protects your vitals and the inevitable fragments to your legs don’t hit an artery
Metal

>>64218847
You very much can, most people just don't really care about things like grip strength
"Functional muscle" is really just a proficiency with handling awkward, oddly balanced objects It is more about knowing how and where to grip things and carry them without tripping than about strength as such

>>64219698
>Counter insurgency always has a way bigger threat profile from mines/ieds etc so it was even more important for them than for guys fighting the NVA in regular main force type engagements
Correct me if im wrong but wont regular NVA units have by default more explosive weaponry then some viet cong unit?
>light mortars
>heavy mortars
>light artillery guns
>heavy artillery
>rpg's in every squad
>Recoilless Rifle in company or platoon sized units
>grenades out of the ass.

Sure they also have more automatic infantry weapons then the viet cong but if they are doing conventional operations then wont they also use a shit ton of mortars/explosives etc? I know the NVA loved spamming RPG-2/RPG-7 rockets in combat. Seems like it was simply an army problem where they could not enforce the wearing of flak jackets on all combat operations.

>>64205378
Everywhere within 30 degrees latitude from the equator. Basically lots of humidity that also gets hot during the day

>>64204420
imagine volunteering to fight the Japanese at pearl harbor just to be sent to fight the limey's battle for them.

>>64215825
>What was the reasoning/context behind that?
Sergeant Majors are very irate about Jarheads losing any items that are made out of ballistic fabrics.

>>64220211
Yeah, that's called practicality. I promise you that a mover or furniture delivery guy could kick the ass of any gym rat at anything physical outside of a gym.

>>64220592
>THAT VIRGINITY WAS NOT YOURS TO LOSE
>IT IS THE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS

>>64220377
You're right that Luke the Gook loved his RPGs (well, the Chinese rpgs, forget the name) and also mortars and recoilless. I'm not saying the Army was smart not to use them at all. But with the hamlet program the Marines were a lot more static and predictable for the VC to set up ieds/booby traps than the Army, which had a pretty overwhelming maneuver advantage and rotated unpredictably through various fire bases. In general and kind of regular tube artillery was a great recipe for getting a napalm delivery by US TACAIR or just buried in counter battery. That's why outside a few cases like Khe Sahn the usual plan was to try to get into close assault where a couple of dickheads in a Phantom couldn't test the fireproof integrity of your linen uniform. So relative to previous wars the threat from tube artillery was much lower, maybe influencing the decision to be lax about it

>>64204880
Your obsession with gay porn has no bearing on what the vast majority of soldiers have looked like throughout history. Also it's hard to get big when you're out fighting and moving to the next fight. You get big by regularly lifting heavy and by eating a surplus, not by fighting and marching, all on limited supplies. I'm pretty big, if I had to go to war I imagine I'd be skinny and weak compared to how I am now within a year.

>>64217585
Thanks for all the pics anon.

>>64208327
Russia was legitimately our enemy in Nam, but its pretty stupid to argue that Stone's movies are Russian propaganda. Vietnam was a brutal jungle war and Apocalypse Now does a pretty good job of conveying that.
> No one watches A.N. and leaves thinking 'Putin did the right thing by invading Ukraine'. Its a completely different era on every scale.

>>64208907
>my raw recently shaved face for four months
We should abandon this and go back to the colonial era reg of twice a week and sunday before church. Its pointless and hurts people's skin for no reason. If we are fighting in a nbc environment that is a different story, but for garrison its stupid.

>>64220979
>A.N.
I meant Platoon

>>64217474
This sort of barbecue gets a mention in We Few, good visual representation

>>64220617
Sure, but that's like saying a juggler would kick your ass at juggling
It's just experience and know-how

>>64218994
Northern Vietnam has cold winters and moderate springs and falls (autumns)

Only in the summer does it get tropical hot.

South Vietnam is hot and sticky all year.

https://www.aquaexpeditions.com/blog/best-time-to-visit-cambodia-and-vietnam

>The winter season in northern Vietnam (December to February) experiences an average temperature of around 20 °C (68°F) but can drop up to 10 °C (50°F). On the other hand, summertime in the northern region (May to August) is hot and humid with temperatures of around 32 °C (70°F) and characterized by heavy rainfalls that persist up until mid-October.

>Spring (March to April) and autumn (September to November) are both pleasant seasons for exploring Northern Vietnam as temperatures are milder, with generally warm and sunny days, ideal for outdoor activities. During its rainy season, the central coast of Vietnam can be affected by typhoons, mainly occurring between the months of August to November.

>In the south, home to Vietnam’s most populous city, Ho Chi Minh, as well as the Mekong river delta, there are mainly two seasons: the wet season (May to October) and dry season (November to April). Meanwhile, in the country’s central region, where the historic and cultural cities of Hoi An and Hue are located, the summer dry season occurs between February and August.

https://vietnamnomad.com/wiki/vietnam-climate/

>The North experiences a humid subtropical climate with four distinct seasons: hot and humid summers from April to October, and cool, dry winters from November...

https://onyabikeadventures.com/vietnam-weather

>The Red River delta — which is the historical heart of Vietnam — has generally hot, muggy summers and cool, cloudy winters punctuated by...

https://vinpearl.com/en/geography-of-vietnam-discover-all-remarkable-landscapes-across-vietnam

>The geography of Vietnam's Red River Delta is influenced by a humid tropical monsoon climate. It has hot summers and cool winters, and...

>>64221055
Well, that and raw strength. Sorry I threatened your fitness edifice, turns out protein powder, creatine, and chicken breast isn't necessary to be /fit/

>>64221055
Well, that and raw strength. Sorry I threatened your fitness edifice, turns out the gym, protein powder, creatine, and chicken breast isn't necessary to be /fit/

>>64204315 (OP)
can't speak for the rest of the war, but from some of the MACV SOG stories, guys definitely dressed casually. T-shirts and whatnot. They went full slob mode because being clean would give you away in the jungle, where a bad guy might be 15 feet away behind a bush, and something like soap would give you away.

>>64221160
They were like the SEALs of their day, a lotta bullshit stories for book deals.

>>64221125
https://www.britannica.com/place/Vietnam/Climate

>The northern part of Vietnam is on the edge of the tropical climatic zone. During January, the coldest month of the year, Hanoi has a mean temperature of 63 °F (17 °C), while the annual average temperature is 74 °F (23 °C). Farther south, the average annual temperature in Hue is 77 °F (25 °C) and in Ho Chi Minh City is 81 °F (27 °C); in the highland city of Da Lat, it drops to 70 °F (21 °C). The winter season in northern Vietnam lasts from November to April; from early February to the end of March there is a persistent drizzle, and March and April are sometimes considered to be a transitional period. The summer in northern Vietnam lasts from April or May to October and is characterized by heat, heavy rainfall, and occasional typhoons. In central and southern Vietnam the southwest monsoon winds between June and November bring rains and typhoons to the eastern slopes of the mountains and the lowland plains. The period between December and April is drier and is characterized by the winds of the northeast monsoon and, in the south, by high temperatures.

>>64221154
Most gymbros far surpass the average contractor in raw strength - the difference in real world performance lies in the lack of conveniently placed ergonomic, anti-slip handles on most common objects, making moving it a matter of skill rather than strength.
Which, if you had any reading comprehension at all, you would've realized was my point from my very first post. "Gymbros are actually weak" is just cope, because unlike strength, most men don't base their masculinity on knowing where to grip a fridge

>>64206426
>>64215845
>>64216060
>>64216136
My favourite Vining photo, calves of a demigod. And a big tiddy amazon wife to boot
>>64216120
He def sure still is into mountaineering, just look at his wife man

>>64221220
I think you're just upset that you pay a lot of money to be less capable than a day laborer

>>64221193
dont see a lot of macvsog books. especially not within the first 30 years post vietnam. not fair comparison

>>64218928
>>64218933
>>64218994

what the fuck, I'm...horny?

>>64204807
kek excellent analysis anon

>>64221193
I would definitely think Nick Brokhausen's raving about Nazi helmets and using them in ops was bullshit if there weren't pictures of him doing exactly that

>>64218994
>>64218933
to be honest that all sounds like complete bullshit
>She also forced Chinese generals to crawl between her legs under her crotch while she stood up with her legs spread.
giwtwm

>>64220979
>>64221038

Anon's trying too hard, but both things are true, you need to understand Oliver Stone's psyche to understand why he is the way he is

>volunteers for vietnam out of a misguided sense of patriotism
>Goes into active combat, gets fucked up in all the ways combat grunts usually do
>Can't rationalize to himself that the war was a result of colossal fuckups and ineptitude from the bottom to the top of the us government
>Starts believing in a conspiracy theory of a shadowy cabal of MIC execs that ordered Kennedy's assassination to expand the war in vietnam
>JFK was entirely about this, even though it relied on a bunch of disproven allegations even hardcore conspiracy theorists rolled their eyes at

He was easy pickings for zigger propaganda about "NATO imperialism" and the need for a multipolar society, he hangs off of Putin's every word because as he's gotten older, he's gotten more stubborn and more determined to prove his delusions are fact.

>>64206426
>>64215845
idk if its actually him