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Anonymous No.64231760 >>64231772 >>64231789 >>64231802 >>64231823 >>64231911 >>64231931 >>64232055 >>64232064 >>64232077 >>64232093 >>64232096 >>64232490 >>64232900 >>64232920 >>64233094 >>64233552 >>64233763 >>64233858 >>64233898 >>64233980 >>64237135 >>64237406
Why wont they use it? What's wrong with it?
Anonymous No.64231769 >>64232512
face saving would be impossible when they lose all ~10 in a day and cannot make any more because of sanctions and corruption
Anonymous No.64231772
>>64231760 (OP)
it's not real
Anonymous No.64231775
puccia really went all in on a tank when drones came along and now no one is buying tanks anymore lmao
Anonymous No.64231789 >>64233554
>>64231760 (OP)
They tried to use them and the mobiks said they'd rather walk. Now they're rotting in a field.
Anonymous No.64231802
>>64231760 (OP)
Not drone proof.
Anonymous No.64231823
>>64231760 (OP)
They're all unreliable prototypes and apparently the army rejected them. They also have been a PR showpiece for years. If they all break down in a field in Ukraine and get captured or blown up it wouldn't look good.
Anonymous No.64231832 >>64233102
the ukraine war proved the design is an evolutionary dead end and its a waste of rublei.
Anonymous No.64231911
>>64231760 (OP)
It's a prototype. This isn't fiction. Prototypes don't function well in actual combat usually.
Anonymous No.64231931
>>64231760 (OP)
they're not real, it's a just a sheet metal re-skin
Anonymous No.64231989 >>64233096
>Why wouldn't the tank be screaming?
Anonymous No.64232055 >>64232494
>>64231760 (OP)
I had heard that the T-14's were supposed to be exceptionally well-designed against mines, but then I never heard any specifics. Sounded like bullshit to me. An AT mine is always still an AT mine.
Anonymous No.64232064
>>64231760 (OP)
It screams
Anonymous No.64232077
>>64231760 (OP)
It would be a bad look to see them compete in the turret tossing championships and win the gold medal.
Anonymous No.64232093 >>64237187
>>64231760 (OP)
The Russian Army is only using 1% of its power, like Frieza in Dragon Ball Z.
Anonymous No.64232096 >>64232102 >>64233960
>>64231760 (OP)
Because seven prototypes aren't going to do anything except die and embarrass russia in the process. Or did you forget how completely worthless the "terminator" that got hyped up so much was?
Anonymous No.64232102 >>64232739 >>64237517
>>64232096
>Or did you forget how completely worthless the "terminator" that got hyped up so much was?
It's a pretty good vehicle in Wargame
Anonymous No.64232116 >>64232132 >>64233004
Long story short: It was always vaporware. It was something that the Russians wanted to show off to the rest of the world to prove that they were not a paper tiger. But the product itself was the very definition of paper tiger.

Most of the money meant for design and development was stolen, all the development reports were falsified to ake it look like it would actually achieve something, it's engine never really made it throught the prototype phase, the chassis was crap, the whole production line meant to make it was commendeered to do nothing and funnel money to oligarchs Yacht funds. All the military officers involved saw the whole project as their personal piggy-bank to leech as much as they could for their countryside datchas. Even the chinese would-be buyers said that it's Electronic Warfare package was horseshit and didn't work.

Nobody in russia ever thought this would be anything but a cash cow for corrupt officials. If you have ever heard about those propagnda stories about "how pentagon wastes money on insane projects" ...well, every accusation is a projection. (not saying there isn't corruption in US arms manufacturing, but what I AM saying is that it pales in comparison to the soviet/russian military industrial corruption. These people see that it is their job perk ,their RIGHT to skim off the R&D funds)

That's what happened to Armata. Russia. Russia happened. Ungodly amounts of money wasted for corruption, and they didn't even ge a working tank to show for it.
Anonymous No.64232132 >>64232154
>>64232116
>Picrel
Potemkin?
Anonymous No.64232154 >>64232243 >>64237543
>>64232132
What?
...eh.. NO!

That's a mock-up picture of Putin as one of the later-era Czars, aking to Alexander the second, or somesuch. It's a carricature, to show how Putin fashions himself to be the next Czar of the Russian empire, despite being nothing like it.

Now, where you do hit home is the "potemkin" part, if we assume that Putin is just a Potemkin-village ruler. Someone who masks rotting surfaces with new paint, in order to (hopefully) fool people to think that these are healthy and well-faring villages, and not starving russian shit-holes, like they really are.
Yeah, Russia ahas a long and well documented history of "just give it a new coat of paint and make it seem as if it's not about to collapse on it's own weight".
Anonymous No.64232220
Watching the entire t14 fleet get decimated would be hilarious, but not as hilarious as armatardโ€™s meltdown afterwards.
Anonymous No.64232243 >>64232505 >>64233558
>>64232154
>Someone who masks rotting surfaces with new paint, in order to (hopefully) fool people
Point of order: IIRC the bullshit from your pic isn't about Putin trying to fool the world, but about local Russian governors trying to hide their embezzlement from Putin, thereby avoiding defenestration for embarrassing him.
Anonymous No.64232257 >>64232283
Because if, when it's lost, it would be a huge blow to the propaganda and regime as a whole.
Anonymous No.64232283 >>64232297 >>64232536
>>64232257
All of the War Thunder ziggies would throw a temper tantrum and make Gaijin release a new 100 dollar tank for them.
Anonymous No.64232297
>>64232283
I wish I could kidnap all of Gaijin's developers and staff and force them to make War Thunder good
Anonymous No.64232490
>>64231760 (OP)
Use what? They had like 3 prototypes and only one kinda works. They can't use something that does not exist.
Anonymous No.64232494
>>64232055
I had heard that the T-14s were supposedly non-functional and that they canned the project two years ago.
Anonymous No.64232505 >>64237543
>>64232243
Ah, yes. If only the tsar knew.
Anonymous No.64232512 >>64232561 >>64234265
>>64231769
Putin wants to show rest of BRICS he can rope-a-dope NATO wonder-waffen with 2nd tier hardware, the sort of which Russian derived gear BRICS currently fields.
Anonymous No.64232536 >>64232545 >>64233265 >>64233309 >>64233393 >>64233450 >>64233623 >>64233632
>>64232283
Why the fuck is Russian shit leagues better in war thunderโ€™s โ€œrealistic military simulationโ€ than real life?
Anonymous No.64232545
>>64232536
Anonymous No.64232561 >>64233022
>>64232512
They only thing he demonstrate is how retarded Russia is and 90% of the Russia Stronk was just smoke blown up everyone asses since the 60s.
The good thing though, he retarded war managed to keep that spic monkey Maduro in line when he sperged out about Guiana.
Anonymous No.64232739
>>64232102
Every Soviet shitpile is pretty good in Eugen games, the developers are vatniks. Sad, many such cases.
Anonymous No.64232900
>>64231760 (OP)
not combat ready yet
Anonymous No.64232920 >>64233444
>>64231760 (OP)
I dot think a slightly better tank really matters. Not like Ukraineโ€™s M1 Abramโ€™s are surviving any better.
Anonymous No.64233004 >>64237353
>>64232116
>Long story short: It was always vaporware. It was something that the Russians wanted to show off to the rest of the world to prove that they were not a paper tiger.
Nope. It was supposed to be the cornerstone of russia's reformed army, both by getting a shiny new tank and, what was even more important, getting back into serial tank production. As in real from scratch production in a factory, not just restoring shit from storage (which is mostly tool assisted manual work in its nature). A big part of this was the size or orders (2000+ tanks were planned to be produced in a relatively quick manner).
The real issue was multi-domain, but the three biggest issues were:
- the whole project, among other things, was planned during the long oil rally on the market, russia was making more and more money each year without doing anything, they've expected $250 per barrel prices by 2018 or something like that, so that insane money never materialized.
- financial and efficiency issues in the russian MIC, decades of mismanagement, corruption and other shit (like the russian state preventing some companies to downsize the staff, but not wanting to pay for retention) caused a ton of money allocated to the project to get spent inefficiently, e.g. to keep the place from falling over instead of making a new tank, so that when the gravy train stopped there wasn't enough to continue working on it;
- lofty design goals, retarded design issues, development hubris and import dependence, they wanted to make something too good after decades of slapping ERA blocks on 1970 shit from storage, they wanted to use a problematic BS engine because they already had it, they were wrong to assume "how hard can it be for us" (forgetting that UVZ was the retarded stepson of soviet tank factories when compared to Kharkiv, Leningrad and Omsk) and so on;
Anonymous No.64233022 >>64233034 >>64233080 >>64233095 >>64235129
>>64232561
Putin quashed beefs between Iran and Saudi Arabia & between China and India.

That means Saudis and Indians are pivoting to Russian weapons away from USA. India has always had some Russian design weapons but for Saudis to be shopping for Russian stuff is wild.

Interesting the Saudis really wanted a short to medium range SAM that couldn't be bricked by (((USA))) and didn't care if doing that ruffle feathers in WashDC, or Tel Aviv.

Specifics of the Pantsir deal

High-value contract: Leaked documents from the Russian firm Ruselectronics show that Saudi Arabia agreed to a $2.17 billion euro deal for Pantsir batteries, associated equipment, ammunition, and operator training.
Production details: The contract includes provisions for a training center and an assembly plant in Saudi Arabia to produce Pantsir units and ammunition.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/russia-and-saudi-arabia-are-getting-closer-america-should-worry
Anonymous No.64233034 >>64233054
>>64233022
IMPRESSIEV
Anonymous No.64233054 >>64233095
>>64233034
If your District Attorney or Attorney General or "The Crown" or WTF hasn't been viciously beaten in retaliation for prosecuting real criminals.....

that means they are afraid (or too corrupt) to go after real criminals and the criminals ARE the real Govt in you nation.

Let that sink in.
Anonymous No.64233080 >>64237531
>>64233022
>The Heritage Foundation
I would honestly believe RT or Sputnik over any of that goyslop. Let me guess, you're also gonna tell me that Maduro is personally responsible for all the fent getting across the Southern Border, and we need to do regime change in South America (again) to put in OUR tin pot drug dealing dictator who whores out his country's natural resources for pennies on the dollar to (((American))) business interests (again).
Anonymous No.64233094 >>64233108
>>64231760 (OP)
>why wont they use it? What's wrong with it?

It is largely ineffective against nuclear weapons
Anonymous No.64233095
>>64233022
>>64233054
>it actually is an ESL shill
Imagine living in a place where you can't shit with indoor plumbing, wipe your ass with decent toilet paper (or a bidet for those of us who got tired of washing bacon strips out of our skivvies), and washing your hands with drinkable running water.
Anonymous No.64233096
>>64231989
Why wouldnt it be screaming?
Anonymous No.64233102 >>64233109
>>64231832
No, dronenigger, itโ€™s just not a good tank
Anonymous No.64233108
>>64233094
>that pic
All right, which one of you was it?
Anonymous No.64233109 >>64233166 >>64233182 >>64233405 >>64233513
>>64233102
>itโ€™s just not a good tank
Tank autists of /k/, is the design of the Armata fundamentally flawed or is it simply a matter of Russian technology and industry being too degraded and lacking in money to actually build it?
Anonymous No.64233166
>>64233109
The only parts of it we've seen work are the engine and transmission and turns out they don't actually, so I'd say it's a trashcan fire through and through.
Anonymous No.64233182
>>64233109
The concept is interesting, mimics Abrams TTB with crew less turret from the 1980s but the execution is russian, soโ€ฆ yeah.
Anonymous No.64233265
>>64232536
>the CEO are all Russians
that's should be what you need to know
Anonymous No.64233309
>>64232536
Made by a rusnigger company.
Anonymous No.64233393
>>64232536
>russian company even though the hq got moved to hungary for tax reasons
>all emplyees other than freelancer contractors are russian
>their russian playerbase is by far the largest cashcow
I wonder why.
Anonymous No.64233405 >>64233546 >>64233650
>>64233109
The concept is mostly sound as unmanned turrets allow you to greatly lower weight which is what modern MBTs are suffering from the most, allowing you to either use that weight for increased protection, mounting more electronics or just keeping it low for logistical purposes. The problem is execution as every design decission is questionable at best.
>hardkill APS but it only covers the frontal arc
>same cramped interior that every other russian tank suffers from
>ammo is stowed in the hull, making blowout pannels impossible to mount unless you want your entire turret to be the blowout pannel
And that's not even getting into the other individual systems like FCS, engine, trnasmission, radios, battle managment systems etc since we know next to nothing about them and every detail we know is almost guaranteed to either have their qualities inflated or not match productions specs when leaving the factory door.
Anonymous No.64233444
>>64232920
M1 Abrams don't survive better than the Armata because the Armata will never be put in combat. Abrams do survive better than all other Russian tanks due to their non-shit ammunition storage.
Anonymous No.64233450 >>64233469
>>64232536
special training operation
>ziggers internalize a deadly overconfidence in their tank's abilities
>everybody else forced to learn russian weak spots and limitations
Anonymous No.64233469
>>64233450
Devilish
Anonymous No.64233513 >>64233548
>>64233109
Sort of got to soak it all in as a holistic concept
Its a relatively complicated vehicle, which is fine if you have the deep logistics, technical training and crew training to use such a machine. After you remember were this comes from and which country will be responsible for that, you begin laughing and can't stop for a while.
>Too complicated
>Users are too stupid
>No one can fix the cunt
>Cost is astronomical
>Parts of it can't be made in Russia
>Some parts made in Russia, don't work
Anonymous No.64233546
>>64233405
We know the engine itself is absolute dogshit and is based on a captured German engine from WW2. They had over 70 years and they still couldn't unfuck it. Of course almost all their AFV engines are based on the Ford inline 6 diesel sent over to them in the 1930s, but at least they work. The worst part about that was the hull was designed around that engine which means when it turned out to be a massive problem child they couldn't simply stuff a new one in. They could have reconfigured the hull to accept a new engine but that would require massive and expensive tooling changes and it was easier to keep throwing money at (and embezzeling funds from) trying to fix the engine.
Anonymous No.64233548 >>64233561
>>64233513
I feel bad for the poor guys pressed into military service. Donkeys are cute, they don't deserve to suffer the horrors of war.
Anonymous No.64233552
>>64231760 (OP)
Anon how many porsche tigers do you think were made? That limits the total number of Armatas to around maybe ten or so because only a few were salvaged in the 40's.
Anonymous No.64233554 >>64233763
>>64231789
>Now they're rotting in a field.
The armatas or the mobiks?
Anonymous No.64233558
>>64232243
Very much in style of the original Potemkin villages.
Anonymous No.64233561
>>64233548
The really sad thing is they're just pet donkeys, they're not the larger, stronger donkeys and mules that can carry more, bit tougher and fitter.
Its sort of like taking someone's Labrador out to hunt wolves with
Anonymous No.64233595 >>64233849
The thing is that Russia has such a long history of making bullshit claims and wunderwaffen (that don't actually do what they claim to do) that they now think that "this is how everyone else does it too." that everyone else's weapons are just paper tigers and that they are only for enrichment of generals and MIC. Now, I am not saying that there isn't corruption and graft in western MIC, but the point is that te western MIC weapon ACTUALLY WORK. They have to do what they say they do.

This is the part that is almost incomprehensible to the Russian mind-set. They have done all sorts of potemkin bullshit and "as long as it looks good in the parade field and in propaganda flicks, it's good enough" nonsense for so long that they think that's the norm.

And it isn't, and that's why they are failing so hard. It's almost cargo-cult like mentality, that "if we just LOOK LIKE we are doing what the westoids do, it'lll work somehow". They copy the external strappings of western military, but never get the underlying mechanisms right. And then they think "Well, they are faking it too!"
Anonymous No.64233623
>>64232536
Its not even the unrealistic performance that is the problem. I stopped playing after I noticed a "bug" after switching to russia after playing germany. Vehicles would not load in correctly on my screen but were shown on screenshots and recordings. Even gave an error message after switiching the trees and it was gone after restarting the game. I checked my recordings and noticed a lot of accidental kills by me and me just missing tanks driving right past me while playing as germany.
Anonymous No.64233632
>>64232536
In World of Warships, the russian carriers and battleships are among the best, one ship literally shoots stalinium shells (16in with better pen than 20in). Designs written on a dinner napkin have no constraints.
Anonymous No.64233650
>>64233405
Their whole idea was to:
- prevent the tank from being a pressure cooker for the crew;
- make the tank overall more protected;
- have the space for more electronics and new gun;
Anonymous No.64233690 >>64233764 >>64234083
The thing about Russian tank operations right now is not so much the availability of tanks (although it IS an issue) but rather the avalability of tank CREWS.

They have gone through pretty much all the decently trained tank crews, and now it's just a bunch of mobiks and penal legions given a few weeks/months worth of very basic instructions on how to use a tank and then sent to the meat grinder.
Any idea how long it takes to train a proficient tank crew? A year at minimum. And if you want to have a crew that is cabable of manouver warfare and cooperation with other units, it's closer to two years of training time.

But no, a month of training is what you get. They will show you how to make the tank move forward and how to load a gun and shoot it at civillian buildings, and into the Valley of Death you ride.
Western militaries have this silly notion of "crew survivability" and that if the tank gets incapacitated or destroyed, the crew is meant to survive. So that you can put the crew into another tank and continue fighting.

But at the moment, it seems that whoever is sent to the battlefield by Russia ...is not meant to come back. It's a one-way trip. Goida! Goida! Goida!
Anonymous No.64233763 >>64233764
>>64231760 (OP)
More like what isn't wrong with it.

>>64233554
Or?
Anonymous No.64233764 >>64233976
>>64233690
I've not seen the defense tyres one

>>64233763
>Or?
There is the marine and aquatic shenanigans available
Anonymous No.64233849
>>64233595
Even a lot of the western MIC stuff that never makes it out of development or gets cancelled does so because:
1. It got tried dozens or hundreds of times and just doesn't work with current tech, or is so expensive and cumbersome with current tech it's not worth it
2. It turns out what the procurement team asked for is a dogshit design riddled with feature creep that barely performs what it was supposed to do originally
3. Tech changes mean that what's being worked on will be obsolete by the time it reaches serial production
Anonymous No.64233858
>>64231760 (OP)
They are needed for the parade. A lot like how Hitler ordered wild designs for propaganda points.
Anonymous No.64233884
i'm just going to say it because it can't even be argued with at this point
teaming up to stop the germans from wiping out the slavs and colonising their lands in world war two was one of the greatest mistakes that mankind has ever made
we are currently reaping the consequences of it and will continue to do so for the next 1,000 years
Anonymous No.64233898
>>64231760 (OP)
Whatโ€™s NOT wrong with it?
Anonymous No.64233960 >>64233963
>>64232096
>the "terminator" that got hyped
do what now?
Anonymous No.64233963 >>64233985
>>64233960
Oh it was supposed to be this super awesome tough trad based ifv that got dunked on immediately in 22 and turned out to be garbage
Anonymous No.64233976
>>64233764
god damn, this one will be in the top 10 drone kills for sure
Anonymous No.64233980
>>64231760 (OP)
>why won't Russia use their parade float to fight a near peer advisory backed by N.A.T.O.?
OP is such a cute retard.
Anonymous No.64233985 >>64233990 >>64234255
>>64233963
oh i see, got any links or videos by chance? sounds like a good read
Anonymous No.64233990
>>64233985
Nah, i didnt start documenting shit til the end of 23 sadly. Pringles march was my wakeup call.
Anonymous No.64234083 >>64234101 >>64234159
>>64233690
Do we know if Ukraine still has experienced tank crews, or are they facing the same issue?
Anonymous No.64234101
>>64234083
They actually get trained up in the west, russian training doesnt really compare
Anonymous No.64234159
>>64234083
Ukraine doesn't have nearly as much issues with tank crews as Russia does. While they do have some western tanks, most of their tanks are still the same soviet stuff as Russia has. The difference comes from the fact that Russia tries to attack, while Ukies are focusing on defense. That means their tanks are less out in the open and more in dug-out locations, only turrets sticking up from hard cover. This limits the damage that they take, making it much safer for the crews.

Ukies also have much better information, drone coverage network and NATO feeding them up-to-date knowledge about enemy tank movements. So they generally have a better idea of what they are doing and what to expect.
Another thing is the home field advantage to any crew/medevac operations: If the tank (for whatever reasons) becomes inpoerative, they are close to their home lines and usually have a pick-up and medical attention available and ready, if needed. So crew survivability has been much better throughout the war.

I don't think they are suffering from crew losses nearly as badly, and their tank crews in general are better trained than russian ones.
Anonymous No.64234255
>>64233985
https://t.me/SBUkr/9284
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/it_wont_be_back_ukrainian_military_destroyed_a_rare_russian_bmpt_terminator-9006.html
https://www.twz.com/hasta-la-vista-baby-ukraine-kills-its-first-russian-terminator-combat-vehicle
I wish I was better at archive shit because there were the usual zigger hordes ooking about the pigs were going to get terminated, puccia stronk, this new wonderwaffe will break the line and end the war. Instead we got footage of twin autocannons shaking worse than a KA-52 while firing to the point a few autistic guys determined up to 30 degrees of random deflection. There was one video of one just spraying rounds at a tree line a km away and it looked like skeet loads being fired from a sawed off. Then it got recorded being destroyed, and at least one more has been confirmed. They disappeared after that.
Anonymous No.64234265
>>64232512
...is it working? Because Russian arms exports have kind of collaped in recent years.
Anonymous No.64235129
>>64233022
>2021
Lmao, nobody is buying Pantsir after watching how they failed in Ukraine
Anonymous No.64237135
>>64231760 (OP)
was it even real?
Anonymous No.64237187
>>64232093
losing over a million men was a feature?
Anonymous No.64237353
>>64233004
>(forgetting that UVZ was the retarded stepson of soviet tank factories when compared to Kharkiv, Leningrad and Omsk) and so on;
I've been accused of being a Kharkivite simply for pointing out that UVZ-Kartsev is somehow the most retarded and always has been. Even funnier is UVZ tried to make a whole revisionist history thing dumping on all the other factories and AFV OKBs to elevate themselves.
Anonymous No.64237406
>>64231760 (OP)
>What's wrong with it?
>25% casualty rate on a parade
The engine and the transmission for starters.
Anonymous No.64237417 >>64237424 >>64237445 >>64237464 >>64237466
Looks like the Ukrainian Wunderwaffe works better than the russian one.

Donesk today:
https://files.catbox.moe/mbfn3s.mp4
Anonymous No.64237424 >>64237450
>>64237417
context?
Anonymous No.64237445
>>64237417
Holy o'fuck that came in hard
Anonymous No.64237450 >>64237457
>>64237424
Ukraine used a bunch of their own cruise missiles to hit a Russian command postwhich was located in a metallurgical plant and 2 other things in the city.
Anonymous No.64237457
>>64237450
damn that's based
Anonymous No.64237464
>>64237417
air defence?
They didn't even try this time.
Anonymous No.64237466 >>64237501 >>64237521
>>64237417
Based on battlefield performance, it seems like Russia would already be collapsing if it didn't outnumber Ukraine like four to one.
Anonymous No.64237501
>>64237466
> would already be collapsing
they are collapsing
their public industry is dying, their oil industry is being destroyed, they need to buy shit from North Korea and China to continue to fight but they do this at a crazy high price.
they are just lucky China needs them to keep the West busy... for now.
Anonymous No.64237517
>>64232102
Oh man a video game proves it?
Anonymous No.64237521
>>64237466
also
>Russian military channels admit thereโ€™s a worsening fuel crisis in occupied Donetsk and Luhansk. Drivers wait 2โ€“3 hours at gas stations, prices have jumped to 90 rubles a liter, and resellers ask up to 200. Fuel is rationed, so filling a full tank is impossible, and even soldiers are forced to line up with civilians and pay out of pocket.
kinda bad lmao
Anonymous No.64237531 >>64237840
>>64233080
Tucker has got to be the biggest joke Iโ€™ve seen when it comes to this conflict
Anonymous No.64237543
>>64232154
>>64232505
Your hatred for the tsar goes quite a lot. I take it you're a fan of Lenin, his works, and the bolsheviks?
Anonymous No.64237840
>>64237531
>What terminal contrarianism does to a mf
Didn't he also get passed over by the CIA, or was his dad a glownigger? I can't remember which. So many members of the right-wing griftersphere seem to get exposed for fed connections these days.