Thread 64248767

>"wow this manga gets guns right"
>basically an inflated way of saying "i know how to aim a gun"

>>64248767 (OP)
Why do japs do this, anyway? The mangaka probably spent like 8 hours drawing these panels. Couldn't he have bothered to get it right?
also
>the Receiver is a part of a gun thag allows you to attach addons to the firearm.

>>64248788
Japanese tend to treat gun stuff like it's arcane wizard knowledge. As a result, you get gun otakus hyper-focusing on procedural shit like this to flex how much they know about the forbidden science.

>>64248808
Japan has a thriving market for deactivated guns and the closest American territories like Guam have gun ranges specialized on Japanese tourists.

>>64248808
I REALLY wanna see some shit like, some jap ameriboo goes over to flaunt his gun 'knowledge' and gets shot down and proven wrong, would be fun to see

>>64248808
Japanese treat everything like an arcane art though, part of the appeal of the culture

>>64248864
Please don't do that. That how Imperial Japan happened.

>>64248767 (OP)
This is going to be a short thread.

>>64248864
Nah. People from well-educated cultures don't act like that. They are very knowledgeable and they don't go dunning-krugering around on subjects they don't know.

>>64249013
Japanese like to take pride in the fact they are "the only country with 4 seasons".

>>64248808
Yeah, that sounds about right

>>64249020
Always found this panel to be a bit silly because how accurate do you even need it to BE
I recently sold my pre-B non short rail CZ 75 but that thing could shoot out the X ring at 25

>>64249015
no you just fell for ragebait

>>64248867
That and the weird thing about treating weapons as an extension / part of the wielder being a thing that goes all the way back to Samurai and their sword autism.

>>64248917
kek

>>64248864
You should read Upotte. The early chapters especially have a lot of "i know how this works" fuddlore that the author interjects. Some of it is right and some of it is very humorously wrong.

>>64249575
>some of it is very humorously wrong.
care to give some more info? it's always interesting

>>64248864
Pathetic mindset to be quite honest

>>64248808
The best part is that it's always the most basic shit, too.
>>64249575
That was such a weird era for /k/ where you had entire threads gushing over the show/manga parroting wikifacts like it was displaying some incredibly niche gunlore

>>64249658
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Firearms are just one of many fields where the authors, often enough writer and artists in a single person, drop fairly basic trivia that come off as impressive to somebody that never bothered with the topic at all.

>>64248778
>>64248788
It's a pretty straightforward thing but it's not something you'd think about unless you actually own a gun (or are trying to pretend that you do) because this is almost never depicted in vidya or movies. I never once thought about how to make sure the sight is set up properly before actually getting one.

>>64249812
Besides that's not even how most people do it, most people just stick on the scope and shoot to see if they're on paper and then adjust

>>64249688
Remember, Japan has Extremely strict gun laws. Most of the info they get is 3rd hand at best.

>>64250618
The Upotte author, Tennoji Kitsune, for instance has a collection of deactivated guns from a store called Chicago Rentals.
There's got to be some that served in the Jieitai or police.

>>64248788
>Why do japs do this
their entire culture for many centuries was about near obsessive-compulsive levels of attention to detail
when applied to work and the arts, they can pull off some really impressive feats

>>64248864
The opposite happened, a Japanese autist who'd never fired anything but airshit went to some handgun competition in the US and won it. The prize was a super nice custom 1911 and he had to give it away to somebody else since he couldn't take it home.

I've personally taken a bunch of westaboo japs shooting myself (pic related is my friend's wife) and almost all of them have been much better students and picked it up way quicker, while being safer, than noguns Americans I've been out with as well.

>>64250848
I wonder what’s the process of getting those anyways since I know there are regulations for airsoft and model guns

>>64248788
he just copied a photo

>>64250916
>The "bakblast clir" spell
lol

>>64251312
So much of anime weapons masturbation is pretty much this. I remember some /k/ommando awhile ago called anime artists "one note", and I haven't been able to stop thinking about that since. I mention this since so much of gun anime art is an autistic, nigh schematic level drawing of an M4 or some bullshit (you know the kind every high school boy has done in his school notes) and then a "frame an entire scene around the gun" kind of thing.

Not manga, but the detail is pretty incredible.
How many can you identify?

>>64251734
Man the scaling on that is all sorts of fucked up

>>64251816
>if you remove the magazine [...] the slide retracts
Uhh

>>64251816
Nice no recoil spring or any of the bottom of the slide. If you can't see it it doesn't exist.

In this manga, a man shoots a boxer through the ear hole with a .500 Nitro Express solid gold hollowpoint during a match. Amazingly, the man's head does not explode and paint the ring with his brains even though they just tried to explain to us just how powerful this weapon is. There's no exit wound either. Also, nobody hears the gunshot and they think the guy just got knocked out. Oh, and there's one more thing: the shot was hip-fired, with no worries about accuracy or recoil.

>>64251830
The recoil spring is there, it's just... on the wrong bit

>>64251734
Mars pistol (redhead), magazine is on the table in front of the red lined box
Madsen machine gun on top of the cabinet at the back
Vickers guns in the cabinet
37mm pom-pom being cleaned by the blonde
Either a punt gun or a wall piece behind her, I'm leaning towards the latter given the rifle-type sight and punt guns usually didn't have sights, you just looked down the barrel.
On the table: 1911 lying flat, behind it on the rack: Webley, C96, I can't remember the 3rd one.
Rack on the wall, top to bottom: SMLE, unknown (behind 37mm), Can't remember this one, Thorneycroft rifle.
Table at the front left: some flavor of hammer double rifle but the cartridges don't look quite right. There are not many bottleneck cartridges of that size for double guns, and they tend to have very little taper at the neck. It's probably supposed to be something like .577/.500 Express or .577 Rewa. It could be .500 No. 100 4-1/8" but a) that's a really fucking rare cartridge and b) neck length is totally wrong.

>>64248767 (OP)
I like this bit from RED, of a guy that reloads his own ammo.
Pretty neat character trait.

>>64251907
>I can't remember the 3rd one.
Bergmann-Bayard?

>>64249581
>chick stands behind a curtain fountain
>this makes her basically immune to intermediate rounds because their low mass means they're thrown severely off target by passing through the falling water
One of those things that might be true on a very technical level but you'd never want to trust your life to a decorative water fixture like that.

>>64249658
well that was over a decade ago and this board certainly skewed younger then than it does now, and we all liked cringe bullshit when we were teens and shit. like, I used to think Jormungand was pretty good when it was airing, but now I think that beyond the SEAL unit that was briefly shown it's fucking trash

that, and, SoL moetards are always easily impressed bottom-feeders

>>64251910
This guy should check his primer pockets

>>64251920
That's it. I though it was some flavor of Bergmann.

>>64248864
Masamune Shirow was that.
80-90s manga. Used to watch GSG9 or SAS training tapes for inspiration for his tactical police manga: Appleseed, Dominion, Ghost in the Shell.
He wrote out his thoughts about firearms at length in companion documents to his comics and most of them were half fuddlore and half exactly from basic encyclopedias.
This is one of his least bad 'flexes' where he worked to teach his readers about different types of firearms and ammunition.

Most of his gun designs and military tech designs weren't very good, imo.
Good writer otherwise, however.

>>64251907
The one on the rack above the Thorneycroft is a Billinghurst percussion underhammer target rifle

>>64251960
>Most of his gun designs and military tech designs weren't very good, imo.
The guns looked hella good but the rest weren't that impressive

>>64251982
He leans way, way too hard on the bug aesthetic for his vehicles.

>>64251910
RED fucking rules dude
i hope someone makes a hate song replica

>>64251982
>>64252016
I like the bug mechs.
Fuchikomas are cuties.

Naruhodo...

>>64252155
I have played a bit of Steel Beasts and the German sights are unchanged from this era
My grug brain couldn't get it so I always just did better with the Abrams auxiliary sight and similar stadiametric rangefinders

>>64249020
>they lowered the grade of steel to western standard
each fucking time

>>64249581
Like shit like this isnt technically untrue but its not really true either

>>64251960
Masamune also did a crapton of porn.

>>64252266
>did
That's all he does now

>>64251907
>It could be .500 No. 100 4-1/8" but a) that's a really fucking rare cartridge
Westley Richards claims it was never produced (barring this modern remake), but I'm not sure that's true as there is data on it, and a photo, in Fleming's book on British sporting rifle cartridges.

>>64252266
Just proof that artists shouldn't get rich young.

>>64251647
>>64248788
Its usually 3d models now. Literally every prop artist has made a 1911, AR or AKM or some kind as a project. There are thousands of free models of these online you can throw into Blender strip the textures off of and throw into Clip Studio to trace over.
Even though it was anime. I was pretty sure they used a W2000 in Fate Zero solely because it's easier to draw over a model of. Then they broke out the calico and it was confirmed autism instead

>>64252383
Meanwhile, back in the day you had people drawing this by hand.

>>64251960
>Most of his gun designs and military tech designs weren't very good, imo.
Gayest post on /k/ award.

>>64251982
>the rest weren't that impressive
Second gayest post on /k/ award.

>>64252499
The insectoid/arachnoid designs aren't very appealing

>>64251907
.303 Vickers on the Rolls

>>64252016
Yeeeahhhh, his whole "everything MUST have a thorax!" thing was kinda weird...

>>64248917
>>64250874
What are both of these from? Sauce please?

>>64248767 (OP)
I taught this to my PLT because the laser was fucked. They thought I was a wizard. It's harder on an M4 because you have to take the upper off and mount it somewhere secure, but it's totally doable.

>>64252217
Di Gi Charat is fucking wild still. I feel like otaku culture of the past had a certain grimy feel to it that you no longer get with modern works. It's too sensitized, to appealing. You really had to be a weirdo to be into that shit back in the day. It's a little bittersweet to know that it's no longer that bizarre.

>>64252737
>>64252737
The whole point was that the weird fusion of organic and tech that people were doing to themselves was also reflected in the vehicles they used, it was just kinda cludgy and honestly not really needed

>>64253184
I liked Rikudo's spin on GITS. Of course, it never did continue, but I would like more things like that. Not everything has to be so heavy.

>>64252266
>that one chapter of Appleseed that's just the girls in a sauna, full frontal with bush and everything
I was really confused by that when I did finally bump into it. It felt really random, and I say that as someone who enjoyed Jyoshikohei, which has fully explicit and completely plot relevant lesbian rape.

>>64250870
>Or so he said.

>>64252183
Realistically they have the same energy performance as the difference at the muzzle won't make much of a difference at a distance. The 30-06 still had more powder than a 54r. The M118 and M59 can be better than 7n1.

I don't care about the gun autism as much as I enjoy japanese artists ability to dress up and make fantasy guns. Everyone calls them bugpeople with no imaginations and autism and whatever else but they're clearly the kings of fantasy firearm designs.
Especially when you read comic books of the era and they were using liefeldian stuff.

Also no one else shows any love to softbody armor, the coolest looking armor.

>>64250870
saved. of all the guns i bought 10/22 is the most fun to shoot.

>>64249020
I'm not sure where the author picked it up but that's ANCIENT fuddlore. I have an old Gun Digest or similar book somewhere where it talks about the gray market CZs like fucking alien artifacts made out of hyperalloy with slide rails cut with a laser.

>>64252266
Every artist worth a damn does.

>>64249020
>>64253674
>first production model gets clapped out too quickly by regular use so in their buyer's remorse they cope about how the updated version uses worse steel
czoy users can't ever be satisfied with their handgun of choice

>>64248917
I read this manga. Pretty good

why don't they start drawing these fucking things in color? makes my eyes hurt

>>64254193
Too much effort and takes too long.

>>64253044
2nd one is "Happiness Meal". Aside from one chapter about an old hunter it has nothing to do with weapons. The art is pretty crappy, but it will hit you right in the feels.

>>64248767 (OP)
>bore
>sight

mind
blown

>>64252397
motherfucker needs to stop this bullshit with his family's candy store and get back to drawing.

>>64248778
>"wow this manga gets programming right"
>basically an inflated way of saying "i know how to use vim"

>>64248778
Was always perplexed with how easily impressed users on a gun board were when mangakas showed the slightest hint of extremely basic firearms knowledge, but then I remembered that /k/ itself is mostly comprised of faggots that have never even touched a gun before.

>>64254543
I mean, I’d be impressed if a squirrel showed how to do basic addition, this is on roughly the same level

>>64254543
>Was always perplexed with how easily impressed
Ah. You misunderstand. We're not "impressed". We're just happy when we come across an artist who doesn't draw guns like a 10 year old would. This isn't unique to guns either. Gearheads appreciate it when racing manga gets autistic little details about cars right, and so on. It's not so much "wow, this artist is awesome". It's more "this artist isn't as retarded as most".

>>64255078
that doesn't make anyone lose their shit because it's obvious that it's supposed to be some silly over-the-top thing. It's too obvious that it's bait.

Things that would be triggering would be like drawing the notches on a revolver cylinder pointed the wrong way, drawing a S&W style cylinder release on a Colt (or vice-versa). Having someone reload an AK by sticking the mags straight in AR-style, realistic optics mounted backwards, etc. It can't be too obvious.

>>64255112
I have literally no understanding of revolvers despite owning several guns so none of the revolver shit could get to me

>>64252397
Nope. Mangakas back then had reference books filled with thousands of pictures of anything they might have wanted to draw, to use as references.

>>64248767 (OP)
So this isn't actually right, or rather it gets the FIRST part of zeroing a scope right but no more. Bore sighting is just one way to get you on paper faster, you could use a laser too (like for some semiautos where things get awkward), or you can just shoot more ammo and walk it in. But actually zeroing an optic always requires actually shooting.

>>64255789
That's different from dragging an image or model into Clipstudio, scaling and rotating it to the way you want and drawing over it.

>>64255789
>Mangakas back then had reference books
Yes, and? The point isn't originality, the point is attention to detail. They gave enough of a shit to bother to draw the tiny little details instead of just drawing a generic gun. When someone uses another's digital asset all the work is already done. Copying someone's 15-polygon model is just as easy as copying someone's 50,000 poly model. But when people are drawing shit by hand they have to care enough to take the time to get all the little details.

>>64251734
ian on the wall

I wish we'd killed more gooks in nam and dropped more nukes on the japs

>>64255078
>bayonets on a minigun
This gets a laugh out of me every time I see it lol

>>64248917
Horned lizard is kawaii

>>64254496

Isn't he running the store now, like that's his day job?

From Dog Soldier by Tetsuya Saruwatari

4th Reich nazis from Argentina lol

There was a calico at some point too

last one for now , I'd need to comb the whole series to find all the other ones

>>64255078
>not a bullpup
You were this close

>>64256419
Yeah. That's the problem. Doesn't he have kids or a wife he can have run the store?
We need to get him, old man (Shinji) Aramaki, and Tony Takezaki together again, give them as much booze & top-shelf pussy as they want, just come up with something.

>>64248917
"Am I finally getting through?"
-CO Sen. Armstrong-

Also do the Japs know the "danger" is like 90% niggers and spics?

>>64258692
braka peeparu?
is dat rike gyaru???

>>64258692
They're Japanese women so a gun at least gives them the ability to shoot their husband if he chimps out because the rice she made is too dry or some shit

>>64255112
congratulations you can read, that is the joke that the image spells out in words. Baal is obviously responding to all the times people have gone autistic at him if he included a gun in one of his titty shitpost drawings

>>64252353
>Westley Richards claims it was never produced
That's dumb. Once the dude had the cartridge dimensions he could've had brass turned and a chamber cut by any custom gunsmith in Europe. Don't know why they'd claim something like that without clarifying that they never made a rifle in it.

>>64248767 (OP)
Giant
Elf
Wife

>>64258897
I assume they are talking about commercial factory production. Fleming's book claims it was designed in 1901 and featured in a Kynoch journal in 1903.

>>64258835
>Baal is obviously responding
I have no clue who that is, and yes, it is clear what he's doing. The joke isn't funny. It would be more funny to actually trigger gun autists by making subtle mistakes.

>>64259398
And just to be clear, it's never appeared in any Kynoch catalog. It's unlikely that anyone else made it if Kynoch never did.

It's too bad really, the specs were pretty crazy for the era. 570 grain bullet going 2400fps.

>>64255078
redditbuddy

>>64259125
Just say no to the GEW anon

>>64258672

He's got a wife but no kids IIRC. Apparently he takes the family shop seriously enough to only do minor anime/manga stuff on the side. And yes, it would be awesome to get the gang back together and put out one last swansong to classic '80s sci-fi/cyberpunk OAVs, even if it's just a manga.

Tell Pondsmith to fund it with 2077/RED money or something.

>>64255078
PAINT IT RED WIF STRIPEZ
WARBOZZ WILL LIKE VERY MUCH, REAL ORKY
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>64254483
They forgot one small detail.

>>64248778
Most gun owners don't know how to bore sight or understand how it works. Many have never even heard of it. You don't think much of it because the average hasguns on /k/ knows way more about firearms than the majority of the gun owning population.

yeah
if this thread is still up when I wake up from my nap I'll post some fox wife gun manga

>>64254543
>showed the slightest hint of extremely basic firearms knowledge
>/k/ itself is mostly comprised of faggots that have never even touched a gun before

You're just retarded and desperate to sound smart, man. You're probably that insufferable type that always say "pfff, of course I knew that" even when you didn't actually know that.

People just enjoy other people getting into their hobby and getting it right, bitchboy. Be it fishing, camping or astrophysics. Maybe you already knew whatever, but unless you've got your head up your ass there's no reason not to appreciate some reminders and popularization of your autistic interest.

>>64261028
hes just a shit stirring shill, they always pull the "everyone here is noguns!" - its a reflection of himself, as he is a noguns

>>64251866
okay

>>64254543
Foreigners are like animals or infants so seeing one with even a crude understanding of reality (guns) is fascinating and endearing.

>>64249020
I wonder how many weebs with more money than brains overpaid for one of those things just to find out it's an absolutely middle of the road 9mm pistol from the late 70s?

>>64258672
>Tony Takezaki

Man that's a name I hadn't heard in a while. Takes me back.

>>64249020
>>64249079
>>64253674
the funny part is the slide rails don't have anything to do with the accuracy of the handgun.the barrel locks into the slide, not the frame.

>>64263397
AD Police Files--the original 3-episode OVA from the early 90's--was amazing.

I've been saying for a while that rivetcounters are one of the worst communities to try and appeal to. No matter how much research you do, how accurate you make it, they'll find something and launch into their routines about how fucking stupid you are.
Their whole reason to continue is correcting people about shit so there's no matter too small, no pandering easy to ignore in favor of crying "noguns!" and "yeah... you can tell he never served!". The worst part is how often they're fucking wrong. It's not like they're intelligent or highly familiar with the subject, they're just wiki obsessed autists.

>>64258750
I might actually beat a women if she somehow managed to fuck up rice in an age where even the cheapest electric rice cooker will do it perfectly.

>>64263497

It's good stuff.

https://youtu.be/c9yd4Dm_XG0

>>64258692
>do the Japs know the "danger" is like 90% niggers
Yes
They don't let them anywhere near their land except as Yak muscle
I thought this was a meme until I went to see for myself
Sure enough the only blacks I ever saw were pimp crews at soaplandos and bj bars

>>64264474
>rice cooker
There's a not-insignificant brand of Asian autism which swears by ONLY steamed rice, which is said to be more tender
Many shops specifically advertise "STEAMED rice" to cater to these

>>64251824
>he doesn't have an auto charging glock
Mine runs on 2 D batteries

>>64248808
>>64248788
Guns are effectively illegal for private ownership in Nipland. That's why an average Nip doesn't know shit about real guns, and autistic gun/military otakus look like they are experts in the subject when they are explaining basic functionality and principles of firearms

>>64265083
As I recall, Japanese citizens are able to legally purchase and own a very limited selection firearms for hunting or recreational purposes. They're also subject to a lengthy procurement process, licensing, and constant renewal of said license.
It seems like one's ability to own even a wildly outdated firearm in Japan could be overruled or outright revoked at any time for any reason. This is the same country that will give you immense amounts of shit for having a pocket knife or skateboarding despite both being legal after all.

>>64263212
It's a very good pistol by 70's standards though

>>64248767 (OP)
name of that manga?

>>64251910
>>64252062
Where can I read it? Google gives me nothing.

>>64267713
>An Active Hunter in Hokkaido Has Been Thrown into a Different World
its not good, but theres worse out there
>>64268112
>"Red" by Muraeda Kenichi

>>64268159
thanks!

>>64254193
Too expensive, manga is optimized to be cheap.

>>64250916
literally the only part of that manga i remember other than the hotsprings with ruri getting horny and figuring out that the intruders were american because one of them was black

>>64268112
The manga piracy community imploded a bit ago, but I think the place to read these days is comick.io

>>64269291
>The manga piracy community imploded
What?

>>64269377
It's true mangadex got purged a bunch of the shitty scraper sites ripping off manga dex were crippled. Shits flooded with Korean and Chinese slop that updates every day vs once a month. Bunch of scanslators vanished and were replaced with nothing or bad ai mtl.theres no good lol just read it sites anymore.

>>64248808
Sakamoto Ryōma, Japanese samurai and the opponent of the Tokugawa shogunate, based his anti-monarchist politics on the American Declaration of Independence's "all men are created equal" postulate.
At the Teradaya incident he was ambushed by a dozen spearmen and samurai and successfully defended himself with Smith & Wesson Model No. 2 Army

>>64270197
He's right you know, there's no way such weapons could ever be effective.
And what's the point of firing so many bullets is you can't supply them? They ain't cheap, you know.

>>64270177
Sounds like one of the most based nips to ever live

>>64269422
This will just get you killed, innit?

>>64270491
I’m impressed a bear learned to draw so well

>>64270140
>>64270189
>>64270197
>>64270223
Ah, Gunka no Baltzer. When you just need a framework for 1800s warfare development.

>>64254543
You'd be surprised with how often anyone can get the bare basics wrong. I still remember a friend telling me "you might like this manga since it goes into a lot of crazy detail about the guns"
It's just a fucking dude who got isekai'd that can summon guns. He doesn't even really say anything deep, it's just
>this weapon is a ______
>chambered in _____
>designed for _____
It's all just answers to basic questions you'd ask if you were browsing a gun store. Props to the mangaka for usually getting the basic info correct, but they stand out because a majority of them don't. This could be said for a lot of other areas too such as cars or martial arts.

>>64269291
>comick just went down
fuck this gay-ass earth
>>64268112
try bato
i would recommend the dev site version since that lets you switch image hosting servers

Has anyone posted the "there's no such thing as a glock in Japan" bit? That one got me pretty good.

>>64271170
Artists rarely get technical details right, especially in the context of comics and cartoons. Most of the time we see an object it's thoroughly generic. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, car, train, boat, computer, fishing pole, or whatever else. It's the exception rather than the rule when any of those things are detailed and correct.

>>64269291
>>64271257
Thanks, anons!

>>64269291
Does tachiyomi still work alright?

>>64271401
do report back on your thoughts once you've finished the ride

>>64264743
Why is big green man breaking his toys?

>>64272102
duty noted.

>>64261028
Japs and other no-guns nations shouldn't even think about my hobby

>>64251752
Not as much as you'd think.

>>64270140
>>64270189
I've read worse Western novels

>>64270457
The only thing inaccurate about this is that the girl is using her weapon competently

>>64271170
>they stand out because a majority of them don't
Pretty much
Everyone cocksucks Tom fucking Clancy and claims that hurr durr he was so good he got investigated and asked to present his work at the Pentagon
when the truth is that he got a lot of things wrong, and the source of his technical info is boomer Wikipedia (Jane's)
However everyone else was just worse. So there it is, he's still a star in the field.

>>64272442
The watercooled gun on the table is 3 times bigger than the same ones in that cabinet

>>64272455
That's because it's literally a 37mm autocannon.

>>64272461
what the fuck Maxim why did you do these things

>>64272515
for the glory of satan, of course

>>64272451

While arguably the least combat effective Knight Saber, Nene is still a Knight Saber. Also note that according to the settei that pistol is in .454 Casull.

>>64271284
It's pretty accurate too considering 80% of all Yakuza gun busts you see pictures of consist of airshit
And the non-airshit weapons are always 1911s and various revolvers

>>64272442
I think there are some scaling problems, but it's not the Mars or the pom-pom. The pistols on the table are a little off. The 1911 and the C96 both look a bit small to me. A C96 is taller than a Webley IRL but in the picture it's about the same height.

Not surprised that Scavengers Another Sky isn't mentioned since basically nobody has heard of it but it's got a reasonably high and enjoyable level of gun autism combined with madness. Not sure where exact it's going since only 2 volumes are translated but it's been more interesting than I'd expected so far.

Also one of the supporting characters is oldfag /k/ in animegirl form.

>>64271442
Mihon replaced it due to legal issues.
There's a desktop client for it these days called Suwayomi, too.

>>64248917
This mangaka has a gore/war rape fetish btw. Still makes interesting series but it becomes obvious as you read them.

>>64272307
>Why is big green man breaking his toys?
This little blonde girl's friend got killed so she turns into the green dude and annihilates hong kong.

>>64271170
>a friend telling me "you might like this manga
>isekai
I guess you are no longer talking to that stranger

>>64253674
While bad information is bad on a certain level, don't you miss retarded rumors and lore that people would just make up? I find that in racing circles a lot from back in the day to the point where some of the old greats have slowly gained myth-like existence to the point of some of them being said to have superhuman, if not supernatural, power.

>>64273451
All japs seem to have a fetish for rape and degradation

>>64272461
Its funny to think that if these were bought in large numbers they could have destroyed military aviation before it ever got started.
Like imagine a world where planes all got wrecked by the Pom Pom guns early on so everyone started to think they were just gimmicks and then no one invested in military aircraft again for decades.

>>64273667

They were purchased in large numbers, mostly for naval use as anti-torpedo boat guns. The problem is their low velocity and cloth belt feed (which is strained by high angle fire, causing jams) makes them ineffective as AA guns.

Are there any examples of comics getting guns right?

>>64253044
First one is titled "Rapid Fire", it's a one-off

>>64264751
My Japanese friends are mostly westaboos with at least some English ability so maybe they're not the best representation of average japs, but they're certainly aware.

It's actually pretty hilarious with one of them because he'll say shit like "Nagoya people are Japanese beaners" and stuff.

>>64274272
there have been one or two punisher comics that tried, and a few that did the opposite of that, but no
comics are made in New York or California and suffer predictable maladies from that

>>64274916
>comics are made in New York or California and suffer predictable maladies from that
nta and I'm not a fan of capeshit but I suspect there is some level of "meta-problem" too: even if the author knows guns, a lot of audiences are so used to hollywood that realism would seem unrealistic to them, if that makes any sense. They're used to retarded made up shit and tropes like "suppressor turns a machine gun into a can of compressed air". So I could see ending up with a frustrating circle jerk situation where companies think they have to cater to their audience expectations even if they know better. One example that drives me nuts is official licensors of manga insisting their translations be in the capeshit STYLE where they BOLD every few WORDS at RANDOM and holy fuck does it irritate my autism even more in manga when I can read maybe 1/4-1/2 the raw and I know that's not how it works at all. But these companies think that's the only way to sell to an "American audience" so.

>>64274932
>charging straight through an opening not hug left/hug right
i shiggitydiggity doo dog

>>64274950
My family are in movie/TV production and I can definitely say a lot of that is true there. They have to do unrealistic things sometimes because a normal audience won't understand what's going on if they don't - somebody who isn't a gun autist probably won't recognize the realistic sound of a suppressed gun, for example. A lot also has to be done for streamlining and plot contrivance, as well as just making it more instantly understandable what's going on onscreen, for example giving suppressors muzzle flashes.

On the subject of manga translation, that's definitely frustrating. A big problem there is that doing an accurate translation really only works for people with a certain level of cultural and language knowledge, and commercial translators can't assume that.

>>64274932
Sauce?

>>64275111
Maid Gakuen e Youkoso; it's porn. Not a series.

>>64275060
I remember reading that a lot of the acting techniques used in movies today actually originate from the silent film era, where actors learned to exaggerate their behavior so that the audience could figure out what was going on without sound.

You also have a lot of unrealistic bullshit added for dramatic reasons. No knight would fight without a helmet, but you can't hear your megabuck actor deliver that cool line, or zoom in on his face while he does so, if he's trying to speak through a sugar loaf bascinet. Bows don't make noise when you draw them, but that creeeeak sound sure adds dramatic tension. Same for that "kaching" sound when someone draws a sword from its sheath....not realistic, but highly dramatic.

>>64274950
That is absolutely a thing too. Game design is another example where this happens. People have to invent differences between different weapons to add breadth to the game, to balance, and to cater to people's expectations. Think about how many games have a magnum pistol deal more damage than a rifle, or that vastly exaggerate the spread of a shotgun.

>>64275120
>it's porn
Bummer, thanks though.

>>64275120
It has 5 books, so it's a series of books, but it is porn, yeah.

>>64273640
That's more of an all of east Asia thing than just a Japan thing.
Koreans are arguably even more into it than the Japanese.
It starts to make sense when you see how their women act

>>64275122
>Game design is another example where this happens
I have been meaning to make a shitpost thread on /k/ about this. In the video game Enlisted (so WW2) the sidearms for Allies include M1911 and Browning Hi-Power. So, .45ACP and 9mm respectively. The M1911 only has 7 rounds (8 if you chamber an additional one when you've put a new mag in) but does 6.5 damage per shit. Hi-Power has 12 rounds (I think) with 13 if you chamber an additional one. But only does like 5.5 or something. I meant to shitpost about .45 vs 9mm saying even video games know the superiority of .45 over 9mm.

It's like that with a lot of the guns in the game in terms of damage.

>>64255078
You know what... Fuck you Anon.
I know you're reposting this. Butt fuck you.
I'm going to make this work.
I will somehow, find a way to make this work.

>>64270140
>>64270189
>>64270197
Is the soot groove thing just fuddlore or is it accurate. I know the author gets some stuff wrong, like giving the pseudo-Prussians magazine fed paper cartridge rifles, and electric cars that were far to capable for their era, but at the same time he does appear to do some research. I've found like one or two vague mentions of this kind of thing in muskets on fudd forums but not much else. I haven't looked particularly hard though and have generally little knowledge about historic muzzleloaders.

>>64276505 (me)
The mentions I've found were in reference to "straight rifling" though and very few pointed to anything about maintenance. I feel like this kind of maintenance and upkeep type stuff of an individual soldier's equipment is rarely if ever mentioned in history books and such.

>>64272922
Yeah, I like this series, very much a STALKER/Roadside Picnic-esque vibe, like Urasekai Picnic.

>>64276505
There's a bunch of mistakes in that. In the first page he should have put the paper part of the cartridge under the ball, not on top of it, that way the paper acts like a wad. The ramrod is also drawn wrong, it has one narrow end and one wide end. The artist has drawn both ends wide.
Panel #2 is just pure nonsense. There is no "drain groove" in muzzleloader barrels. And if there was, it would be in the wrong orientation for a ramrod to get caught on it.

>>64260654
>because the average hasguns on /k/ knows way more about firearms than the majority of the gun owning population.
...and with just how little the average "has"guns on /k/ knows, that's pretty scary desu senpai baka

>>64276907
I met a guy at the range who didn't know is handgun was semiauto.

>>64276886
>he should have put the paper part of the cartridge under the ball, not on top of it
Even reenactors get that one wrong, either because they assumed it's that way, or they were taught fuddlore.
18th century manuals of arms which are frustratingly otherwise overly-detailed in the movements involved, mostly just say "insert the cartridge". Logically given the cartridge contains the powder this must mean the cartridge is inserted wad end first. And this is important because the wad actually serves as a gas trap to propel the ball with slightly more efficiency.

>>64276996
I think it's one of those things that is obvious if you are used to loading muzzleloaders the basic way without paper cartridges, but if you lack that information it might be confusing. If you grew up familiar with using patched round balls (or wads in fowling pieces) then nobody would need to tell you where to put the cartridge.

>>64256032
>>64255078
Would it not be best to have a triangle bayonet mounted on the center of rotation? Ideally spinning the barrels should drill the bayonet away from the meat and bone to unstick.

>>64277061
The bayonet should have multiple blades that at first stab together like a point, but then it folds open into sort of a conical shape and then starts to spin. Also, each individual blade can spin on its own axis. Plus you can add a nozzle to spray napalm or acid or something out of the center while all the blades are spinning.

>>64270140
Moron here, wouldn't you prefer to cock and primer the hammer after you loaded the charge?

>>64277060
A lot of people simply sit at home and theorycraft without doing research. This is one of the great blessings of the Internet; that we have instantaneous access to information around the world. Back in those days some people knew of the general process of reloading a musket with paper cartridges but thought that one would pour the powder into the barrel the same way the pan is primed, and then put in the cartridge afterwards. Since these are 2 separate actions, there did arise a question of which way round the paper wad (glued to the ball) goes.

Now with the Internet and the benefit of scans of old manuals of arms anyone can do a quick Google and see that the cartridge was to be simply inserted in 1 swift action. In which case the direction of the cartridge is obvious: wad and powder first.

>>64277070
If you load from a powder horn or flask then you would put the powder down the barrel, then a wad or patched round ball, and then you'd ram that down. Minie projectiles were typically loaded straight on top of the powder, no wad. Then you'd prime, often with a different flask containing extra-fine powder. It is safest to prime last.

However, when you load with paper cartridges that complicates things. You don't really have a way of holding onto a little of the powder after you've rammed the cartridge (acting as a wad) down the barrel. In that case it's easier to prime first, using the cartridge as a powder container, though it is less safe.

>>64276505
>I know the author gets some stuff wrong
The author of (>>64270140) readily admit making choices specifically for style (such as choosing locomotives from a much later period).

>>64276996
>>64277060
As I remember the topic discussed before, the wad is added -after- simply to keep the ball from falling down when the gun in pointed downward. Ask yourself how you are supposed to keep the round bullet down the barrel when shooting down a target.

And as I understand the science, the paper wouldn't give more power, quite the opposite.
The explosion will deform and push the paper on the side while channeling the explosion in whatever space is left. Then you are left with burnt paper potentially stuck in the barrel. Putting the paper after however doesn't impede the projectile meant to pierce far stronger obstacle and the shape of the bullet will help guarantee the paper get out.

>>64277602
>Ask yourself how you are supposed to keep the round bullet down the barrel when shooting down
The ball is soft lead. When you ram the ball home it squashes a little and stays in place.

>And as I understand the science, the paper wouldn't give more power, quite the opposite.
You have this backwards. The paper acts like a wad creating a better gas seal.

Where does your "understanding of the science" come from? It's clear you haven't read any books on the topic.

> Putting the paper after however doesn't impede the projectile meant to pierce far stronger obstacle
You would be surprised how small of an obstacle can cause catastrophic barrel failure. A cleaning patch left behind in a battle rifle can result in the barrel exploding.

I suggest you go read the Lyman black powder handbook and then Hatcher's Notebook.

>>64265350
I genuinely do not understand what she meant by this, is she implying you can fuck children in that island?

>>64277722
Pitcairn isn't part of the U.S.

>>64270177
Revolver Ocelot?

>>64277602
This is what I mean by theorycrafting.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

>the wad is added -after-
No
>simply to keep the ball from falling down when the gun in pointed downward. Ask yourself how you are supposed to keep the round bullet down the barrel when shooting down a target.
Easy
The ball is affixed to the wad to form a cartridge, remember? The ball won't roll out. It's still bound in paper.

Contrast against artillery. Because artillery shot or shell is not affixed to the wad, it WOULD roll out, as you say. Hence TWO wads were used (at least in Royal Navy practice). The loading order is gunpowder, wad, shot, wad. The function of the second wad is indeed to prevent the shot from rolling out.

>>64276517
>Yeah, I like this series, very much a STALKER/Roadside Picnic-esque vibe, like Urasekai Picnic.
Yeah, though with the dial definitely geared much more towards the /k/ side of things and less towards the spooky/unknown horror. Almost more like Stargate+X Files meets Urasekai Picnic. I enjoy both it and Urasekai Picnic, each has a pretty unique feel and take on humans going to a collective consciousness dark reflection otherworld, and both have decent takes on human madness and coping forward, but SAD is clearly more para(?)military organizational in flavor.

>>64275060
Interesting post anon, thanks for replying.
>They have to do unrealistic things sometimes because a normal audience won't understand what's going on if they don't - somebody who isn't a gun autist probably won't recognize the realistic sound of a suppressed gun, for example
One thing that occurred to me in fairness is that we are dealing with issues of physics here too. Like, a TV speaker simply flat out can't produce 120+dB sound, nor would anyone sane ever want it to (imagine if script kiddies could compromise the absolute dogshit smart TVs that are everywhere now and cause hearing loss/EEEEEeeeEEEeee to anyone in the same room). So there has to be a "compression" of the real world sound spectrum, it's being heard through a muffler stronger than any earpro. IIRC from some fat/g/uy autism years ago a quality speaker can usually get to around 85dB or so without distortion, and home viewers generally watch around 50-70dB for comfort/not bothering others. So even literally maxed out noise would be already be below "hollywood quiet", what you can do with a suppressor friendly cartridge+subs+top tier can+bolt action. I guess that's a hard problem? The "unsuppressed gun noise" is already at unrealistically quiet for suppressed levels. Kinda like how up until recently colors and light also got very compressed vs the real world because it was simply impossible for SDR to even remotely approach what the human eye can perceive.

>On the subject of manga translation, that's definitely frustrating. A big problem there is that doing an accurate translation really only works for people with a certain level of cultural and language knowledge, and commercial translators can't assume that.
I guess, but remember, anime/manga is fucking huge now as an industry. It's not niche anymore, I'm pretty sure it's now multiples the size commercially of western comics. And only a few localization companies do that style, others just write the text out normally.

>>64277941
A big enough audio system can play loud, that's not too difficult. The problem with reproducing something like a gunshot truly accurately is that hardly any medium has enough dynamic range to even get it properly recorded. It's like trying to use a highly compressed 8-bit jpeg thumbnail to properly reproduce a super detailed painting with many different colors.

>>64277975
>A big enough audio system can play loud, that's not too difficult
Anon, an unsuppressed gun report is like 155-175dB, usually more towards the upper end for center fire rifles. Guns are loud. Image related is out of date and suppressors can do a little bit better nowadays, but not THAT much better without getting into weird shit like wipes nobody uses. You can get somewhat lower with 300bo subs and such but it'll still be like 100-115 at best, and at <130 action noise in an auto becomes a non-trivial consideration too.

Like, yeah you could physically create a speaker system that could do 100-140 but now you're getting into legit hearing damage territory with even minimal use which is just not a very attractive feature to consumers right? I'm just saying that after reflecting I'm realizing that the whole category of "things that are actively unpleasant or even dangerous to human senses" is an inherently hard thing for reproduction. Like, to take something else entirely, you might remember that at one point one gimmick that got investigated was having media that could reproduce smell. And they came up with some pretty cool tech actually. And yeah there was some cost/complexity challenges, but the really fundamental issue was that people just don't WANT to experience what a battlefield or the like actually smells like.

I guess I'm just thinking out loud here, but interesting to me that this is another area where we as humans are often losing a piece of reality? More and more folks don't really KNOW what things are like, I mean forget /k/, even like, a farm or something.

>>64252397
Back then they'd trace over pictures from magazines and movies. Tracing has always been a massive part of professional art. Time is money

Is there anything like liquid gunpowder as described and shown in Kino no Tabi?

>>64278019
>Anon, an unsuppressed gun report is like 155-175dB
I'm aware. Retards regularly play car stereos that loud. Look up "dB drag racing" if you're ignorant. Yes, it's loud as fuck and yes nobody would actually want to listen to that, but the point is that volume is not the technical problem. You can simply throw watts at it.

>>64278219
Nitroglycerin

>>64278219
>Is there anything like liquid gunpowder as described and shown in Kino no Tabi?
In terms of any actual production use? No. There are certainly liquid explosives and liquids that can generate a certain amount of gas in reaction to something, like the classic silly old diet coke+mentos rocket. So I suppose it'd be possible to design something like an air rifle around that concept, have a liquid that can turn into a bunch of CO2 or nitrogen or whatever and pressurize that way. But why bother vs just using a normal pressure tank? And that's a different category then a real rifle too.

There were some experiments with liquid propellants by both the soviets and US in, I dunno, 60s or 70s or something? But all were failures, ammo has stayed about the same because it's just really fucking practical. Most fundamentally, with solids it's super easy to have it have its own oxidizer supply while still being stable. Liquid makes that vastly more challenging/nastier. Liquid prop is also heavy, and the plumbing needed to dispense it very precisely is also finicky, heavy and potentially dangerous. You could do some sort of liquid sealed ammo but then what are you getting over just using nice stable light powder? There are issues with corrosion and shit too.

You see all this play out in the history of rocket propellants, where liquids can justify the challenges in civilian rockets due to the much higher ISP. But military ones mostly use solids for the thrust and superior practicality.

>>64278279
>Retards regularly play car stereos that loud
Yes, and they are retards because >140dB is instantaneous permanent hearing damage from any exposure, and way below that you're getting damage from even single digit seconds. They also are not exactly the primary customer base for commercial media production.
>but the point is that volume is not the technical problem
Anon we're talking commercial media here, for normal people, with normal playback equipment. Most people are just using the speakers built into their thin flat panel TV, not even any sort of basic 5.1 setup. Or just listening via headphones/airpods. So it absolutely is a technical problem. You can't just throw watts at it because actual real human being consumers who you want to pay you money for your product will not throw watts at it. If anything people want it quieter not louder. So in practice your entire dynamic range is basically "quiet room to 75 dB", maybe with a touch more room if it's mixed for IMAX or something like that.

>>64278311
>Anon we're talking commercial media here, for normal people, with normal playback equipment.
Yes. All I'm saying is that if someone wants to listen to something stupid loud they can. And do. But fixing the dynamic range of the recording medium is the real problem that cannot be overcome. Even if someone had a million watts worth of amplifiers they will never make a gunshot sound correct because the codecs (or analog equivalents) cannot handle a slope that high.

>>64277602
>to keep the ball from falling out
this is only necessary in shotguns, ball ammo is traditionally press fit and can't move at all without being schwacked

>>64277851
>The ball is affixed to the wad to form a cartridge, remember?
The ball is enclosed in paper but beside easier loading it was only really needed to keep the ball from falling out.
When the powders explode, the shockwave is only resisted by the ball itself and the gas seal effect is minimal.
In the first place you wouldn't want paper that resist to the point of influencing the trajectory or stay stuck in the barrel.
The mistake of the author (beside the ram ends) was to draw it as an even older type of musket, forgetting the cartridge.

>>64277653
Where did YOUR knowledge come from? It better not be from those book.
A bullet that squish would make a poor projectile, the paper friction is what's keeping it from sliding down.
Saying the slightest obstacle can cause failure is kinda making my point, the hardest obstacle is the bullet itself, you don't want it to get stuck, while paper is, well, paper.

I'll only concede is that it doesn't really matter if there's extra paper between the powder & the bullet, so long as the bullet is kept from falling out.

https://youtu.be/xCrscZljkwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh8gaYDtZMs

>>64278513
>Where did YOUR knowledge come from
I've been shooting muzzleoaders for about 15 years.

> It better not be from those book.
among others

>A bullet that squish would make a poor projectile
Yes, and? It's not ideal but that is how it was done.

>I'll only concede is that it doesn't really matter if there's extra paper between the powder & the bullet,
It matters a lot if there's paper between the powder and a round ball because it improves the gas seal and gives a large increase in velocity. Round balls are supplied undersize so they can be dropped down a fouled bore. They don't seal worth a crap. Even when expanded with a hit from the ramrod they only make minor contact around the "equator" of the ball. Adding the wad seals up this gap preventing powder gas from leaking through it. Modernize muzzleloaders, and modern shotguns, use plastic wads that achieve the same thing.

>>64278513
why are you listening to youtube retards when period sources exist?

>>64270457
I never got why her first shot is like someone firing a gun for the first time in their lives and every shot after that is perfectly competent.

>>64278610
>I never got why her first shot is like someone firing a gun for the first time in their lives and every shot after that is perfectly competent.
I kinda figured it was meant to just illustrate brief panic at some cyborg super soldier killer thing busting through the heavy duty ceiling and catching her totally by surprise, then training takes over. It's honestly been fucking forever since I saw that and I can remember barely anything about the characters overall but I don't think she was supposed to be some super grizzled field vet at that point? If it's meant to illustrate more the kind of desk worker/investigator who keep up responsibly with their training and maybe even more because they enjoy it but aren't actually used to putting it into practice every day it works kinda ok I guess.

>>64278637
>don't think she was supposed to be some super grizzled field vet at that point?
Absolutely not. But you're right that she shows a lot of improvement over the show. In the 3rd episode when the Sabers are fighting Brian J Mason & his goons she basically just shoots randomly in fear and happens to hit his bodyguard in the face by dumb luck. Later on we see them playing paintball and Nene still sucks but hey, she's trying. We see her putting in range time with live rounds later. She can't hit shit because she's stressed but at least she's training.

There is a lot of detail hidden in the action scenes in that show. For example when Sylia fights Mason at the end of ep. 3, you can see the HUD in Mason's power armor predicting where Sylia will move--presumably it has some kind of AI behavior model--but he himself can't fight for shit. Eventually the AI got it wrong and he ended up facedown in a pool of his own blood.

>>64270177
>based his anti-monarchist politics on the American Declaration of Independence's "all men are created equal" postulate.
The idea that all men are created equal is inherently monarchist, though. If it were true and no person was inherently more suited for leadership than any other, then the best person to choose would be someone who was trained from birth for the role. You'd end up with a monarchy, and hereditary succession is as good a way as any to determine who should be trained for the role. A simple lottery would also be fine, but not any better and there would be a lot of overhead involved.

>>64279073
The basic flaw in your reasoning is that you assume your conclusion. As you yourself write, all men being created equal is not the same thing as all men ending up equal given environment and parents and so on play a huge role along with genes. But:
>then the best person to choose would be someone who was trained from birth for the role
This is objectively wrong. We're not gods and we have no deterministic way to actually determine how to train somebody to perfectly end up suited for a given role, as basically every parent who wanted their kid to end up in some specific career has discovered. It doesn't always work out the way you want. Further, you're ignoring the real effects of corruption and goal/incentive alignment. You're assuming some sort of arbitrarily perfect magic raising system, but we've never achieved that in human history. Every single monarchy ever has ended up with more bad kings then good ones and since it's easier to destroy then create it goes to shit in the end.

So the least-flawed system found yet is to try to let a thousand flowers bloom and then pick from them later in life based on proven achievements and personality traits/acquired skills they've already been proven to have and their ability to perform a series of tests under pressure (ie, campaigning). Then also cycle them regularly so they can't get too entrenched and make sure they don't have too much power.

Clearly genes play some role, neither nature nor nurture alone is everything. But we can't predict genes ahead of time yet either.

>>64279073
>The idea that all men are created equal is inherently monarchist
Not in this context. In Sakamoto's time the Emperor of Japan was a religious figure who was granted the authority to rule because he was descended from Amaterasu, the sun goddess.

>>64279035

To put it into context, Nene is the Knight Sabers' hacking/EW specialist, and her main role in combat is to support the more frontline members. If she's in direct combat something has usually gone very wrong, at least in Crisis.

>>64278513
>The ball is enclosed in paper but beside easier loading it was only really needed to keep the ball from falling out
so you've answered your own question, right?
>When the powders explode, the shockwave is only resisted by the ball itself and the gas seal effect is minimal
there would still be some effect, and we know that they knew this, because wads between the powder and the projectile have been in use since medieval gonnery (heh)
>you wouldn't want paper that resist to the point of influencing the trajectory or stay stuck in the barrel
what makes you think that paper can resist a black powder charge to that point, but somehow an iron ball cannot?
and what makes you think that somehow inverting the order of the cartridge so that the paper comes after the ball would somehow change the outcome?
>Where did YOUR knowledge come from?
Royal Navy manual of arms. 1760s edition.

>>64278357
>can't move at all without being schwacked
due to the imprecision of manufacturing in the Napoleonic era, the windage in muskets could be as high as 0.1"

>>64279073
>The idea that all men are created equal is inherently monarchist
is this guy retarded?

monarchs all around the world have used some kind of exceptionalism or elitism to justify placing their lineage on the throne rather than leaders from other unrelated families for millennia.
>If it were true and no person was inherently more suited for leadership than any other, then the best person to choose would be someone who was trained from birth for the role
this is elitism of training

>>64278513
You know exactly jack and shit about blackpowder shooting and need to shut the fuck up. I swear to God I don't know what compels retards like you to constantly run your mouth about subjects you don't have the slightest bit of experience or knowledge in.

>>64280408
Nta but you are a dumbass and you dont know as much as you think you do

>>64280336
>what makes you think that paper can resist a black powder charge to that point, but somehow an iron ball cannot?
>what makes you think that somehow inverting the order of the cartridge so that the paper comes after the ball would somehow change the outcome?
>so you've answered your own question, right?
Are you answering the right person?
I didn't have a question, I participated with knowledge about the musket wad practical purpose as holding the ball in.
So long as that requirement is met, I don't care whether flimsy paper stick in front or behind, trap a bit of gas, or the manga author drawing something more primitive than the era

>there would still be some effect
No disagreement, I'll also agree that when your manufacturing capability can't guarantee exact fit paper as gas trap is better than nothing, but the same reasons explain the point of the wad to keep the bullet in.

>Royal Navy manual of arms. 1760s edition.
Not going to buy a book, no matter how interesting it's likely to be, to confirm if anon is posturing. It's a topic simple enough to be answered with logic or digital-book called website.

>>64278579
You sure don't sound like someone with 15years of experience, Mr.anonymous.

>Shotgun (+ >>64278357)
Shotgun are shrapnel projectiles that can't trap gas, their wads need to be solid to act as such.
Same name, different design, different function.

>Yes, and?
Go ahead and provide proof. Surely, an "expert" can provide any source explicitly mentioning "ram squashing the ball (deforming it so it hold in place)".
The paper filling already compensated for manufacturing flaws without "deformable ball" that risk getting stuck in the barrel, not talking about dumdum bullet.

>>64278595
>youtube retards
As opposed to 4chan retard? I would trust a YT channel to have "15yrs of experience" more.
I just wanted to illustrate the sense didn't matter.

What, no Gunsmith Cats panels?

>>64281993
>As opposed to 4chan retard?
As opposed to PERIOD SOURCES you fuckwit. I'm not telling you to listen to me, I'm telling you to read a fucking book because it's obvious you're green beyond belief.

>>64281993
This nigger actually thinks people were beating their ramrods down on their round balls like its a pillar breech or something.

>>64261028
I believe in gatekeeping so I do every thing in my power to ruin my hobbies for people who demonstrate interest. I do this because everyone who isn't me is retarded and consistently ruin any hobby of mine they figure out exists. It is you who is the bitch boy, crying about muh participation. No, you're not allowed, fuck you go away. I don't want you here.

>>64252266
>>64253343
I think he lost a lot of his original works and such in an earthquake, and l think it kind of just broke him. Pretty sad, really.

>>64281993
>Go ahead and provide proof.
I already did. You refuse to read.

>>64281993
Not only are you a fucking retard, you're apparently also some flavor of ESL turd worlder.

>>64282194
Yeah, no one likes gun manga all thanks to your tireless effort. Keep up the good work Hiroo Onoda.

>>64282194
The problem anon is that as your inherent superior in all things I am the one who decides what taste and opinions are correct and I'm afraid you have the wrong ones. Thus you are overruled.

>>64278579
The wad/patch when "spit-patched" or lubricated also serves to help keep the powder fouling soft and somewhat manageable.

>>64249015
Been in Japan for twenty-two years now.
The only time I've heard that is online from silly people overseas. Literally nobody thinks it's the only country with four seasons.

>>64270177
>Sakamoto Ryōma
>anti-monarchist
He called for return of power to the Japanese emperor which eventually happened during the Meiji Restoration shortly after is death.

>>64286208
This. He was influenced by the US but ultimately wanted a UK-style system