Thread 64253877

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

>>64253877 (OP)
That is actually pretty good reprensation of post apo soldier, other than M-16. It should be BR.

>>64253877 (OP)
Whenever anyone tries to justify the NCR being a 'bad' faction lore wise I always find myself remembering why I hate fallout fans.
>they're just the corrupt capitalists of today!
ya cool something I know how to and have been dealing with my whole life. The benefits of said society are FAR better in a post apocalyptic world as compared to the rapist baby murderers that is the legion, the technophile genetic elitist that is/was the BoS and the cooler looking BoS, or the lamer looking institute. The minutemen could be cool if someone fucking ELSE could help the settlements instead of me 24/7. The only faction of all you could argue are better than the NCR are the followers of the apocalypse, and even then they're basically fallout hippies. NCR is the peak fallout choice and it's not even and never will be close.

>>64253877 (OP)
>>64253883
The NCR having anything close to 1900s kit makes no sense. Fallout is literally still on the downswing technologically and Melee skirmishers are still worth the expense in water to get them to the front lines.

This is a setting that wants melee charges and cobbled together junk armor to be effective and gave an entire army a weapon that can punch straight through a quarter inch of steel.

>>64253889
The faggots LOVE the NCR you deluded fucking idiot. The NCR is the "modern status quo" faction that helps women and minorities against the ebul capitalist (read: I get to keep my own property and life) Mr. House and the ebul-ER nazi roman chuds.

Post your gun you weepy bleeding vagina.

>>64253924
found the lorelet. Caesars legion troops are basically peak human usain bolt tribals who believe they are immune to bullets, while NCR soldiers are soi caricatures who don't want to be there, are on drugs, corrupt and their CO probably sold their bullets to go to Vegas with.

Caesars legion also use psychological warfare tactics, booby traps, ambushes and so on. American indians did pretty well against americans and that was without any unity between them

More important though the experienced caesars legion soldiers do use guns, they have actual anti material rifles and marksman rifles.

If you think the NCR would destroy caesars legion then you also think that Navy seals armed with lever actions rifles would be defeated by the afghan national army

>>64253930
>Caesars legion troops are basically peak human usain bolt tribals who believe they are immune to bullets,
Only a massive noguns goon would think that this "explanation" actually excuses the situation. That's like saying "you think a cannonball to the chest would kill him? shows what you know, he was wearing Kevlar". Its an explanation orders of magnitude removed from the scale required.
It is a FACT that a significant portion of the legion's troops are guys wearing crude armor using melee weapons. I'm going to blow your mind but it doesn't actually matter if that's 1/10 or 1/2 or 1/20 or 9/10, (even though we know for a fact a LARGE proportion of the Legion's troops are melee infantry) their presence AT ALL puts hard limits on NCR troops well below even raw recruits with 5.56 rifles. It cant be handwaved away with your gay memes.
It literally doesn't matter that some Legion troops have guns, it wouldn't matter if most of them had guns, the PRESENCE of the melee troops proves my point completely. Peak human is meaningless. "but they like believe stuff" holy shit, Completely meaningless. You even bringing it up immediately flags you as some underage faggot from another board.


They wanted a setting where with a couple times (not 100 or 200 to 1) numerical advantage and good tactics, a faction that uses large numbers of primitive skirmishers to supplement gun armed troops made sense as a legitimate threat to an army that exclusively uses guns. You can concoct a scenario where that makes sense, and spoiler it's not one where their enemies have box magazine fed intermediate caliber rifles.

>>64253927
NCR got a boost in love because of the way they were abused in the Fallout tv show. They are being liked to spite Todd.

>>64253924
Why? Its just canvas and boiled leather, and the pre-expansion NCR had every possible advantage of expertise, its not like they had to rediscover textiles. As for the rifle, they don't make them, the gun runners produce them on contract using prewar blueprints and machinery. Much less plausible that the legion were able to scavenge tens of thousands of pieces of still useable hockey pads.
>This is a setting that wants melee charges and cobbled together junk armor to be effective
The whole point is that the NCR is the first opponent the legion have ever faced where meatwaves with machetes aren't effective, which forces them into the asymmetrical strategies they use ingame. They wouldn't be rolling barrels of glowing shit into searchlight or running lotteries in nipton if they could just chop everybody up with a lawnmower blade.

>>64253889
>NCR is the peak fallout choice and it's not even and never will be close
Counterpoint - pic rel

>>64253924
Yeah, because JE Sawyer loves guns.

If you try to justify it (just because) I'd say the Legion is more like the Zulus: technologically backward, but fanatically devoted to zerg rushing their (thinly stretched) opponents.

Makes of course no sense when you have artillery and vertibirds in the area and a literal mother-of-all-chokepoints in the Hoover Dam, but whatever.

I don't know what you idiots are so bent out of shape about. Not only does the Legion use plenty of guns (they just excuse having less with retarded cult programming); not only is the NCR fighting 3 wars and economically exhausted; not only is the NCR hamstrung by a nepotist President, a crybaby narcissist theater commander, and a literal intel leaking traitor Ranger commander; but unless you side with Caesar and MAKE him win, he loses by default. Again. As you'd expect.

>>64254319
vertibirds are super rare, there's not a single one in the mojave that works, the artillery cannon is also broken

>>64254319
even artillery (which there isn't much of) isnt much use without training and coordination, it's not like the legion has a ton of fixed positions you can safely bombard, if you want to move around the artillery that's a pain in the ass without motorisatioon and it can be ambushed. If you are using it in a direct fire role your guys probably get flanked or picked off by legion sharpshooters from 2 miles away.

>>64254091
>They are being liked to spite Todd.
Wtf I love NCR now?

>>64253970
Getting jacked in Fallout actually does make you harder to kill by bullets, as in 'getting set on fire and kicked down a cliff is now survivable' levels of comical durability.
The Legion statistically have way tougher troops because they work out all day and get used to pain and harsh conditions. The NCR's soldiers are weaker but have better equipment for the most part.

>>64253924
It makes perfect sense, if anything they should be more developed.
>>64253927
>against the ebul capitalist
Except its a lore point that they are in an economic pickle, being taken off the gold standard, and as a result are wrapped around the finger of the brahmin barons. I prefer House, btw.
>Post your gun
k here is one of mine, now you, but for real, its just a game bro
>>64254091
My issue with that, is that Bethesda writers have a huge hard-on for civilization's decline in Fallout. Not that that isn't a critical part of the setting, but 200+ years after the great war, with the tools at hand, people would have rebuilt. It really brakes the immersion for me when I played FO4, and there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.

>>64254444
>there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.
The thing that pisses me off is that they could solve that by just having the games they're doing occur way earlier in the timeline, if that's the world they want to have

(checked btw)

>>64253927
Y’all fucking always group modern bs into the NCR when they aren’t that at all

>>64254478
Its clear thats what they wanted to go for, and really there was no reason why they couldn't have. I don't know why there was emphasis for timeline continuity when you are on the opposite side of the country.
>>64254824
For real. I've always seen the NCR as being akin to the post civil war union, pushing frontiers, and rapidly industrializing (for better or worse).

>>64254890
>for better or worse
This. They're a post-apocalyptic "manifest destiny" machine only pushing eastward instead of westward

>>64253889
they get beaten by guys in hockey pads who don't use guns, and they're all blackpilled
>>64254824
i wanted to like the NCR more because of their New Deal America aesthetics, which are nice and the fact that the legion looks dumb, but one of their main tenants is gay marriage and i just thought that was out of place

>>64254444
It is quads of truth here.
Bethesda never understood that despite being advertised as such, Fallout was never a post-apocalypse game. It was essentially post-post-apocalypse game. The rebuilding had begun, civilizations were returning, but yet everyone and everything functions like the bombs just dropped yesterday.

At least they didn't do Fallout the Frontier.

>>64254923
>It was essentially post-post-apocalypse game.
This was always the thing for me, every choice I made in all of the games had at its heart "Will this move us further away from the apocalypse?"

>>64253877 (OP)
I love how the largest nation state got its nuked and collapsed off screen before they invaded the mojave

>>64254917
>but one of their main tenants is gay marriage and i just thought that was out of place
How? They have the population to not give a shit about it

>>64253877 (OP)
>playing fagout jew vegas
YWNBAW

>>64255594
As opposed to what, FO4 or some other nu slop?
>>64255475
Are they? Theres like one gay NCR character, that officer at the Mojave outpost.

>>64253924
In the end you just have to accept that it's an RPG not a simulator game or a real attempt presenting alt-history, and in any game where melee and guns coexist and are slightly equally valid options, guns will be several magnitudes less effective than real life. The NCR are presented as being slightly competent and have non-overwhelming numerical inferiority, short of giving them musket weaponry it's not going to be a fair fight if we apply real life rules.

>>64253924
Have you actually played the series nigga?

>>64255600
Two. One is a desk jockey who implies the NCR has DADT. The other is a bulldyke in 1st Recon who sexually harasses women to compensate for being raped by a Fiend.

>>64255600
What about the butch lesbian sniper lady in Camp McCarran? The one who gives out $380 NCR bucks for offing Cook Cook?

>>64255879
>>64255880
That's right I forgot about her.

>>64253927
For me it's
>screw over literally everybody oftentimes for no practical reason, build hell on Earth choosing the worst options for everybody, kill Ulysses and then nuke both NCR and Legion
kind of Independent ending.

>>64255594
>being a dumb frog poster

I remember there was some old /k/ /k/ommando that made a blueprint of an NCR vest. I forget if it took metal plates or if it was the old fiberglass armor trick. But it was before commercial gucci plates were really on the market.
This uniform isn't just great for some post-nuclear soldier apparel, this is just a good uniform for the American west in general and would meet or exceed all standards until the Korean war era and forward, depending on if it's a flak vest or if it can actually stop any kind of rifle round. It's a hop skip and jump away from a modern American soldier but lacks all modern gadgetry and vehicle/industrial support. It's top tier stuff in and out of universe.

>>64256027
>It's top tier stuff in and out of universe.
It's in a universe where football gear can provide some level of protection against bullets.

>>64256027
>depending on if it's a flak vest or if it can actually stop any kind of rifle round.
Odds are it's boiled brahmin leather, there's one character (the gun merchant (the independent one, not Alex the Gun Runner) at the 188 who mentions she's pissed off that they've started deploying new recruits without proper body armor.

>>64256071
Aren't there a lot of troops in game that aren't wearing the vest? I always thought they were talking about them.

>>64256049
Yeah?

>>64256102
Possibly, although even if it were boiled leather that would at least help against basic melee weapons whilst still being light

>>64256027
Buts that's all fanfiction. Ingame its as protective as reinforced leather (it should be noted, unreinforced leather is literally a biker jacket with a missing sleeve), while weighing nearly twice as much; and in setting is disposable conscript shit. Maybe you're confusing it for the patrol armor, which is very gucci and explicitly handmade by the NCR, and presumably incorporates the same ceramics and polymers as the pre-war combat armor.

>>64256118
>unreinforced leather is literally the road warriors outfit
FTFY

>>64256118
Yeah yeah sure.
Reinforced with what though? I always assumed that they just had some fairly thin steel plate behind the leather, steel pot helmet style and that the helmet is made in the same way. I mean, we see the NCR heavy troops having air conditioners strapped to their backs, and those likely all corroded over the previous 200 years. Which means that someone's probably making replacement parts. And if they can make replacement parts for an A/C, rifles, buckles for their leather straps and all from all the scavenged metal they're finding than they can make WW1 era metal chestplate. And use all those ceramics they can scavenge to make all that ranger armor. Which STILL doesn't beat pre war riot armor.

>>64256027
Kinda makes me want to uparmor my leather duster with the 3a soft inserts I have ngl save for the pockets on the sleeves it's pretty close to the ranger duster

>>64255600
>Four fags out of a cast of like 20 NCR characters
>They're all figures of authority
What that says about the demographics of the NCR is unbelievably grim.

>>64256160
The heavy troopers are wearing non functional power armor taken off dead Brotherhood of Steel members, they stripped out the technical components they can no longer maintain, before that it was fully functional equipment that has been looked after in Brotherhood Bunkers. The 'air conditioner' is a cooling fan for the nuclear powered suit and its occupant. Even if NCR Heavy Troopers were strong enough to walk in those suits they'd quickly be disabled by overheating in the desert.

>>64256208
What the hell are you talking about. The giant thing on the back of every heavy troop, that's the air conditioner. And Chief Hanlon, the NCR ranger head, says in game that they have to have an air conditioner. That thing on their back does not fit inside the suit at all is it, and therefor it cannot be apart of the original powered armor that got all of its shit taken out of it.

>>64256193
There's two, unless you're counting Veronica and Arcade which are 100% not affiliated with the NCR. Having said that, there are over 90 named NCR characters in FONV, two of who are openly gay. That aligns fairly well with actual statistics. I think gays just live in your head too much.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_NCR_characters

>>64253877 (OP)
It's a sacrifice you gotta make so that Todd can sell games to console players.

>>64256228
>Chief Hanlon, the NCR ranger head, says in game that they have to have an air conditioner
NTA can you point to the exact dialog where he says that? As his dialog file (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/2CHanlon.txt) contains no mention of the words "air" or "conditioner"

>fallout thread
Time for me to shill Operation Sunburst again, probably the best portrayal of Fallout combat ever put together. Suggest it to the highest if you've got some time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACycDR8_GAQ

>>64256285
Goddangit, why'd it do that.

>>64256283
Yeah no I'm not gonna autistically search through the fallout wiki to prove someone wrong about A/C in a fictional nuclear wasteland because they can't accept a scrap industry existing in a fictional post nuclear world.
You can check out this picture that proves the whole thing though.

>>64256239
Post your gun with timestamp lmao

>>64256328
>"He says it"
>Unable to just press ctrl+f when given the file containing all of the dialog by that character
>"H-he says it, j-just trust m-mm me"
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.

>>64256328
The 'air conditioner' takes the place of the cooling system for the nuclear reactor the NCR suits no longer have.

>>64253877 (OP)
The Mk III turtle helmet the british had is a better fit for this

>>64256343
>UMMMMMMM, sory did you just say something without a SOURCE?

>>64256356
Right. So it's cooling something. Like the person inside the suit. Maybe through some kind of water based condensing system that displaces heat.

>>64256356
>>64256382
Just point to the dialog (you) claimed that Hanlon said anon, it should be easy for you to prove your point right?

>>64256340
kk, your turn. I already posted my M16 earlier ITT btw.

>>64256448
lel, he won't. Anyone seething that much about two fictional characters with like forty lines of dialogue between them doesn't have money to spend.

>>64256616
My heart skipped a beat when I saw your reply, I was hoping it was him with his own weapon lol. The thing is, I don't even want to defend the NCR, I just hate how bethestards reduced it to some megaton tier civilization

>>64253889
A corrupt capitalist state is still going to win against any other kind of state, especially a slave state like the legion.

I think its made pretty clear in the game, if you beat the legion, its the end of them. Whereas if you beat the NCR as Legion the NCR only retreats. Chief Hanlon even has the best ending possible if the Legion win.

The Legion could not defeat the NCR. A slave state cannot beat a capitalist state no matter how corrupt because capitalism simply has too much industrial output.

>>64255880
She's only an aggressive lesbian because she got raped by a man.

>>64253877 (OP)
I wish I got the wood furniture C7 clone from H&R when it was available, but I couldn't justify buying a $1,400 rifle when I already had a bunch of AR's. I want to build a M16A1 style rifle with a C7 upper receiver with that brass deflector because I am wronghanded, but I already bought plastic/bakelite furniture for it.

>>64253889
>>64253927
I said this on other New Vegas threads. I'll say it again. The NCR is bad for the exact same reasons that California is bad in real life. They are NOT the good guys. They just look like the good guys compared to the other factions.

>>64254444
>pic of the sexiest rifle ever made
>defends capitalism and the gold standard
>House is favorite faction
Quads of truth and fucking based.

>>64257175
Thanks man, I love my M16, its definitely one of my favorite rifles overall

>>64254444
Checked, based, red pilled even

>>64254824
I think because they superficially resemble GWOT/Vietnam era US forces, people project a lot of competence and capability onto them that just isn't there. Without combined arms, motorization, artillery or any kind of small unit tactics (ie, widely issued LMGs instead of giving them exclusively to heavy infantry), its all just larping and posturing. I also don't think they're nearly as industrialized as is touted as their unwillingness to use vertibirds or trucks operationally suggests they have no capability to replace them, plus the fact that the crimson bitch wants you to steal data so she can figure how a lathe works, as well as indicating that the illegal bottlecap press is one-of-a-kind; suggests that even small scale industrial production is rare and tightly guarded knowledge within the NCR. People see M16A1s and think Hueys flying low over steaming jungles while B52s perform saturation bombings, but what's actually presented is fucking mobiks.

>>64253927
Are you retarded? Like real question.

>>64257206
You're welcome, anon. Here is a picture of mine. If it is one of my favorite rifles as well. There is just special about old school AR's.
Your pic rel both look like good rifles. Enjoy them.

>>64257385
Nice rifle, anon. Nothing beats an A1s simplicity, light weight and handling.

>>64257420
Thank you. It's sure doesn't. Only flaw is the lack of a brass catcher.
Please excuse 4chan for posting my picture upside down.

>>64257444
Hell yeah and checked

>>64253924
Yeah. In Fo1, which was practically a century before NV. Besides, the BoS was helping the NCR get back onto their feet until they weren't.

>>64257941
I do sorta like the headcanon that the entire reason the BoS got mad in the first place is that they were able to see the writing on the wall for the NCR.
>Wait a fucking second. This is just the U.S. death spiral all over again. These faggots are going to ruin everything.
I actually really wish we had a little more info on the BoS/NCR war. It's an interesting bit of backdrop but it's really a pretty minor thing outside of the fact it's just one more thing tanking the NCR economy.

>>64256651
>Still not just showing the dialog
Thanks for confirming (you) are full of shit

>>64254824
They are Californians unfettered by the rest of the US. They are the ever-changing face of evil.

>>64257420
>>64257444
Based

>>64253877 (OP)
Why do some artists give NCR troops brodie helmets when they were wearing pith helmet?

>>64253883
>reprensation of post apo soldier
lol No it's not.

>>64257941
NTA but apocalypse has not finished it's downward trajectory while people are still using pre-war guns, ammo, food, and scraps of clothing, which is absolutely the case in NV and after. The technological and logistical level of society is down and down across the franchise, it hasn't bottomed out yet much less begun to climb. Gotta have those "Iconic fallout guns and ammo boxes" after all, gotta have mah sugar bombs.

>>64256193
Betsy is a corporal and the desk guy IIRC is a sergeant. Either way a form filling pog.

>>64253889
The NCR is slave morality.
Mr House and Legion are Master morality.
One shouldnt concern himself with whimpering cattle just because there is a lot of it.

>>64256448
The last time I saw a rape this brutal I had to testify in court.

>>64254824
The scary truth is that Fallout California is more like the unsoi parts of Texas.

>>64257019
Well, she was a dyke before that, but she apparently only got promiscuous and aggressive after getting raw dogged by Pig Pen's less hygienic descendant.

>>64256208
>The 'air conditioner' is a cooling fan for the nuclear powered suit and its occupant
The regular T-45d has shit on the back, which has to do with the fusion powerpack and other systems.
The 'salvaged NCR power armor' has no fusion powerpack, instead an air conditioning unit has been bolted onto the back of the suit so people wearing it don't die from heatstroke.

>FNV thread
based
Am I supposed to do all the expansions before finishing the main story? Cuz it sounds like I won't be able to do shit after Hoover Dam

>>64258600
The main story ends the game. Expansions have to be done before the final main quest.

>>64258615
Well shit, thanks!

>Still crying and malding about "muh air conditioner!"
Lol. Lmao even

>>64258600
I personally go straight into the last DLC at like level 3-4 and come out with the top armor in the game and a backpack full of Assault Carbines and Riot Shotguns, I don’t finish it, just loot the bunker and the first military area and head back. Honest Hearts is good mid-game content, while OWB, and Dead Money are pretty much end game stuff due to all the speech and leveling checks involved. I save finishing Lonesome Road as the last thing I think.

>>64258600
Do HH first, after reaching Vegas and meeting House. Do DM OWB part way through whatever MQ line you take, depending on which takes you near first. Do LR dead last right before Hoover Dam.

new vegas is troonslop

>>64259064
post guns and hands

>>64258530
>Well, she was a dyke before that, but she apparently only got promiscuous and aggressive after getting raw dogged by Pig Pen's less hygienic descendant.
Well, wouldn't you?

>>64259096
>indians
>underage b&
>guns
Don't bully the downtrodden

>>64259101
There are potentially even less constructive coping strategies.

>>64259109
Name a literal singular troon in NV.

>>64259101
>>64259112
Every lesbian is a closeted heterosexual in disguise.
>>64259109
Fair enuf

>>64258600
Don't forget to use the Black Mountain shortcut, grabbing the uniform from the dead NCR soldier, then head straight to McCarran (putting on the uniform so gain access to the monorail) and then head straight into The Tops so you can easily hit level 5 within 15 minutes of starting.

>>64254478
there's long been rumors Fallout 3 was supposed to take place much earlier in the game's setting.

>>64258515
>homoerotic nerd with fetish for blondes

>>64258522
RL CA is like that too the further away from the coast you get. East CA may as well be more Nevada, and north CA may as well be more Oregon. SF, LA, and ballSac have a straglehold on the state, and the rest of us curse those cities every day.

>>64253970
>They wanted a setting where with a couple times (not 100 or 200 to 1) numerical advantage
You don't understand the engine limitations. They can't have a skirmish between 20 NCR and 500 Legion. Hell the game would turn into a slideshow when I was doing Boone's last quest on my PS3 14 years ago. Take a look at something like Skyrim with 40 people living in a "city", which came out later and is on the same engine. Look at Starfield's pathetically small New Atlantis. The engine is not built for hundreds of NPCs fighting.

Next you'll complain that it's unrealistic that the NCR doesn't have vehicles.

So, while we're here, what's /k/'s opinion regarding mikeburnfire? I started coming to this board because of the weapon autist Zach got me interested in all the minutia of every firearm he found while playing, along with his exasperation and rage while playing some of the shittier quest mods they find.

>>64260997
I enjoy the videos from time to time but I don't watch them regularly. I do however wish I had someone to play modded FONV Co-op with on the regular. That would be tight.

>>64258328
This is like 1950s California types not 2020

>>64259116
>Every lesbian is a closeted heterosexual
Most are which is hilarious to think about. "bisexual" is another free victim point term used by modern zoomettes, which is convenient because you can claim to be bi and not have to ever date a abusive dyke. Always love prying on supposed bisexual partners and having them basically cope that they are such because they like boobs or because they find girls attractive yet never have acted on it. I think it's just zoomers having been raised surrounded by porn on the internet since a young age and with "lesbian" porn having dominated porn in the 2000's they grew up internalizing said trauma and expressing it in fake lesbianism. Funny how the gays never lie about it for good goy points like girls do

>>64253927
>I get to keep my own property and life
>Mr. House
He forced out the original residents of New Vegas with violence and imported a bunch of tribals to enforce his will. In his ending slides he will massacre and drive out the remaining communities surrounding New Vegas. He is not some good, honest, hardworking folk, he's Caesar in a can.

>>64261296
This, but anon identifies with the courier so thinks he'd be the super smart survivor who is a master of all and jack of none like the protag so he'd totallly would be allowed to stay and live in a penthouse. In reality it would 19th century new york or London on steroids and 90% of all people would fight for scraps while the middle and upper class roll in it and live in isolation from the proles

>>64261296
Those tribals were the original vegas residents, the only people he forced out were the vault dwellers in the hotel.
>In his ending slides he will massacre and drive out the remaining communities surrounding New Vegas.
He provides securitrons guards for primm and goodsprings, ignores the boomers and novac, and purges the kings for siding with Caesar. Doesnt sound like a massacre to me.

>>64261245
Gonna be real, I've never really understood the appeal of lesbian porn. I get the idea that more chicks is more better, but it's always just bounced off me for whatever reason.

>>64258418
Sawyer said he NCR helmet is a tin hat with a cover. This probably means the NCR trooper gear has a steel breastplate under the cloth, would explain the weight.

>>64260973
>Next you'll complain that it's unrealistic that the NCR doesn't have vehicles.
the existence of vehicles within fallout is pretty interesting

FO2 has several working vehicles, the vagrants ship, the vertibirds, and the highwayman, but all of them are outside the NCR
but the chop shop apparently deals with cars regularly and theres a guy who will offer to watch your car for you
chris avellone later hadwaved it saying working cars exist from FO2 up to FNV, but they were vanishingly rare
new vegas is non-committal about whether cars exist, everyone still use draft animals, but you are also at the edge of civilization where nobody would have one anyways
the 80s were intended to use cars, but they arent seen in the game nor are cars actually mentioned by name, and people not recognizing cars implies that cars still pretty unknown

>>64257941
>>64258021
the NCR-BOS war sounds like an insane OOC moment for both of them based on what we know about them in FO1 and 2

>>64254444
>>64254478
bethesda got it from black isle
van buren was intended to also set the clock back to mad max raiders with everyone living a frontier life style

the aforementioned BOS-NCR war was cooked up as an excuse to reset the NCR, which JE sawyer admitted was a bit of a mistake since it tamed the wasteland and caused fallout to drift from their roots
even in fallout 2, everywhere that isnt NCR or vault city is run down and occupying pre-war ruins
hell, both chris avellone and JHE sawyer heavily praised bethesdas vision for how the wasteland looked in 3, and actually implemented more of 3s design ethos into NV
so at some level, both bethesda and black isle were on the same wavelength on how they envisioned fallout should aesthetically look

>>64261394
>new vegas is non-committal about whether cars exist
The NCR have a shitload of apparently functional trucks around McCarran, and private vehicle ownership must be a thing because the arms dealer at the 188 has her own, but not much beyond that. Its probably a matter of having enough shit to move that a pack brahmin cant handle it, and simultaneously having the knowledge and funds to get a prewar vehicle back up and moving, which must be a very small slice of the vegas population. Corn and brahmin barons closer to the heart of the NCR probably have a lot of vehicles.

>>64261321
>purges the kings for siding with Caesar
What fucking choices do you have to do for that?

>>64261321
>the only people he forced out were the vault dwellers
And the folks who founded Freeside, including the King. The Three Families were the tribals who chose to submit.
There's also no way to get the Kings to side with Caesar, who would've enslaved them or absorbed them into the Legion. They value their freedom too much. Hell, if you make them fight the NCR (doesn't make them allies with the Legion), House ends up letting them stick around.

>>64253927
It's the post-apocalypse and they STILL put Jews in charge of the economy. The Crimson Caravan sets the monetary policy for the entire country and should all be killed for their sabotage of the $NCRD. Brahmin Barons should be dragged into town squares and beheaded for monopolising the fucking food supply. You just know they'll install some other fucking monopoly as the new power company after acquiring Hoover Dam. Get ready to pay a power tax for having your own solar pannels.

>>64261503
>be living in Baja
>your ancestors have lived and worked the land for centuries, even before the war
>there's a local big man, but he spends most of his time defending his position
>as long as you pay your share of produce, he leaves you alone and doesn't care how you pay
>one day the NCR turns up
>they declare you to be liberated
>immediately take over your church
>rip out the well pump your community spent decades perfecting and maintaining for a huge bore
>it spews out brown sludge that the NCR filters for themselves, but will have to charge you for
>Rangers go off and snipe the big man
>his gang immediately splits and becomes raider gangs
>when they turn up, the NCR hides in the church as the desperate raiders murder and steal from your community
>raiders are driven to the edge of the community, but never really leave
>finally get back to normal, besides robberies on backroads that don't have any tolls
>yield is smaller due to the poor water quality and disruptions to sewing
>guy in a suit comes to your door
>tells you that you now owe tax
>try to give him produce
>he only accepts NCR dollars or caps
>the only way to get that currency is by working for the NCR or trading through their scamming dealers
>they'll only trade in specific staple and cash crops, not anything that grows well locally
>if you don't pay your taxes, they'll take your land at gunpoint and put sharecroppers on it
>have to sell your land and become a wageslave on a ranch or a sharecropper to survive
>become a literal serf in less than a year of the NCR turning up
Total New Californian Death NOW.

>>64256938
Hanlon gets the best ending if the Courier goes independent; of the 3 non-suicide ending variants for Hanlon with a Legion win, he, along with the rangers, are wiped out by the Legion with the Lanius Legion ending worded in such a way that he surrendered his entire command to be executed.

>>64259558
>(based)

>>64257298
The problem with some of these arguments is that they assume game engine limitations as in-universe reality.

>>64259028
With the right build Lonesome Road can be tackled at a fairly low level due to its segmented and set-piece nature.

>>64261321
The Three Families are all canonically nomadic tribals he recruited and rebranded to operate casinos. The communities surrounding Vegas and in the sewers are all formed from the people he kicked out of New Vegas when he took over.

>>64261406
The NCR/BoS conflict makes perfect sense if you assume they're two political factions jockeying for power.
>Oh fuck, they're rapidly developing a sophisticated education system, economy, and industrial base that's just as rapidly eclipsing our monastic structure. We gotta do something before we're irrelevant!
>Wait a minute, we now have a widespread education system, industrial base, and economy, why are we still tiptoeing around the guys who haven't left their bunkers in 200 years?

>>64253924
>This is a setting that wants melee charges
and you know what stops that?
standard issue rifle and bullets

>>64256938
Carthage lost.

>>64254444
>200+ years after the great war, with the tools at hand, people would have rebuilt. It really brakes the immersion for me when I played FO4, and there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.
200 years later no one can figure baseball is played or to pick up a broom. Crazy thing let's compare the founding of America which is about 250 years, we went from simple hand tools to literally taking over every square inch of this land, you'll think it would happen in Fallout as well. I mean you got games like the OG,2 and New Vegas showing that society is rebuilding and have actual established cities and towns but limited to graphics and hardware, meanwhile in 4 you have an entire empty city yet everyone is living in the garbage dump of baseball stadium. Also I don't understand Bethesda hard on for BoS yet the disdain for NCR.

>>64263457
Yeah, and they were kind of at the opposite end. Rome had the manufacturing, population, and outlying provinces to draw from for men and equipment. Not only that, but they developed tactics and strategy to counter carthage. Things like the Corvus and Fabian's delaying tactic come to mind. Furthermore, Rome was forgiving of its leaders who failed in battle, Carthage, not so much. Caesar (Edward Sallow) infamously condemned to death his best general, and second in command for his first defeat.

>>64263985
Bethesda basically treats it like if the U.S. population was acted like Haitians, instead of frontiersmen, craftsmen, and farmers.

>>64261394
The 80s? What?

>>64261406
The reality is that both Bethesda and the original devs fucked up in speeding up the game's timeline too far ahead.

>>64264564
A gang of raiders referenced ingame, who inhabited the I-80.

>>64263985
>meanwhile in 4 you have an entire empty city yet everyone is living in the garbage dump of baseball stadium
They tried to explain this by having background history explaining that the Institute royally screwed everyone over (and then I guess the double whammy of the Gunners being... antagonists. Idk). An Institute Synth killed the burgeoning representative government prior to the game, the Institute's blackbagging people and then releasing them as omnicidal super mutants has completely fucked the place over demographically and just in general, and now with Gen 3 synths cooperation is at an all time low because anyone you know could become a sleeper agent assassin at any time. And at least one actual town was slaughtered wholesale because the nerds in the basement got a tip from one of their merchants that said town might have a particular type of nuclear reactor (they did not).

In 4 you're supposed to fixing a place that has completely gone to shit pretty recently, hence stuff like the Minutemen supposedly existing prior to the game even though they've been reduced to literally one guy and some people he's trying to help.

Of course 4 is put together like the writers came up with most of the map and wrote backwards. Stuff doesn't really go together organically and the area is so hellaciously hostile it's a wonder that anyone is still alive, let alone conducting business in the way the caravanners are supposed to be doing. FO3 suffers from essentially the same problem.

>>64262492
>The NCR/BoS conflict makes perfect sense if you assume they're two political factions jockeying for power.
from a narrative perspective, a lot of stuff has to happen off-screen for the conflict to make sense
in fallout 1, the good ending explicitly says they stay out of the power struggle
while in fallout 2, the BoS are the only faction actively investigating the enclave, doing so on the down low to avoid attention
they couldnt care less about wasteland politics, they care about a shadowy organization with tech that outstrips theirs and who they suspect, correctly, dont intend to use that tech for good

for them to suddenly be in conflict in van buren/FNV requires a lot of stuff to transpire that causes the BoS in particular to act way differently compared to how they were depicted in the first 2 games
it isnt exactly wrong to show them acting differently and then to show over time what led to them suddenly changing, but FNV occasionally acts like the BOS have always been autistic bunker babies rather than having changed over time into that

the NCRs more unsavory tendencies were actually thoroughly explored in fallout 2, so them being imperialistic isnt actually unfounded
but van buren would have had BOS be the one to start the war because they couldnt trust the NCR with leftover enclave tech from navarro
FNV is even less sypathethic to the BOS, they just started seizing NCRs energy weapons one day

>>64264910
The NCR is a democratic state, that means it will gleefully exterminate anyone who threatens its monopoly on violence.Even without the BoS wanting control over tech the NCR would see them as a threat.

>>64264935
if the NCR had started the war with BOS, with the cassus belli being "you might pose a threat in the future" while the BOS were just peacefully doing science, you just know that fallout discourse would be even more of a crapshoot that it is

while both-sidsing the issue and making it more morally grey keeps the fanbase very slightly more placated
it also comes at the BOS suddenly acting out of character, gun grabbing and isolationism essentially being a total deletion of their arc in fallout 1 and the opposite of how they act in 2

>>64263985
>200 years later no one can figure baseball is played or to pick up a broom
in only 80 years between fallout 1 and 2, you suddenly have people who were directly related to one of the most advanced places in the wasteland suddenly worshipping sky gods, chucking spears, and having no concept of "mon-ee"
made even funnier when your own grandma, raised by the vault dweller himself, is the one to talk like bad parody of native americans
in context, it makes even less sense, since the chosen one speaks normal english and modern slang just fine

JE sawyer said that he based it off a book where a devolution to tribalism occurs in just 2 generations, so basing things off vibes is pretty consistent between bethesda and black isle

>>64264971
Obviously they don't want to just outright declare the NCR to be imperialist but even if the BoS wasn't raiding NCR towns for energy weapons simply being a militantly independent armed group that wants control over high tech sites would be provocative to an expansionist centralised government that wants to industrialise. Do they ever explicitly say who started the war?

Biggest mistake in the NCR BoS backstory was to not have it be a (major) ongoing conflict during the events of New Vegas, akin to the civil war with New Vegas being closer to The Dakota War and The Colorado War.

>>64264989
>Do they ever explicitly say who started the war?
the NCR claims that the BOS started it when they began shaking down the NCR for tech
for their part, the BOS you meet dont deny ever doing that
who actually shot first isnt mentioned, but JE sawyer has confirmed that the BOS grabbing guns from the NCR was the main cause, so that puts the ball in the BOSs court rather than the NCR

>>64253889
House is.

>>64253924
It makes perfect sense. Bombs dropped in 30s/40s, no huge mono crop usage of water, "peaceful" towns that can be overataken at night with just melee raiders.

>>64255758
Or armors will be slightly more effective than real life...
Melee give a chance go strike the in-between areas of armor/necks, hur nur dur bypassing armor checks.

>>64258021
The BoS were always dick bags and always hoarded tech. They never really helped anyone and went out of their way to disable or steal working tech. The NCR and BoS always were on a crash course but the BoS never had any plans (which is also why they lost). They aren't functional as a faction and their failure to secure any settlements of note and then to be ran out due to their terrible recruiting is justore evidence of how useless they are. The DC chapter is the natural response to a forward party losing it's members and contact with the main branch (which was also wiped out). They needed power and the ability to recruit more

>>64265691
>They never really helped anyone and went out of their way to disable or steal working tech
Fallout 1s ending has them opening up to the outside world and even letting tech out
Fallout 2 has them offering the chosen one access to their full arsenal as a reward for helping them

They are neutral at worst in the previous games, maybe overly lawful, but they tend to side with good more often than not
they had their dickishness ramped up for new Vegas by a wide margin to make the conflict less black and white against the NCR

>>64265703
I would blame bethesa and the outcasts in Fallout 3 for giving the wrong image.

>>64265703
And we see in 2 and later games they haven't actually and only allow the Chosen One in because they will lose everything otherwise. The BoS canonically keepsed tech from being used in the Wasteland, it's one of the reasons the Followers even exist is that the BoS literally refuses to care for anyone but themselves

>>64256049
You mean black powder/arrows/rocks protection? You mean that football gear layered with treated mkii leather and potentially some sheet metal layers can help? Really?
>No anon they took stock football armor and did nothing to it
Surreee they did anon. Surreee

>>64253889
All I'm hearing is that you've never played the original games.

I'm less interested in the material and doctrinal features of the opposing armies NCR, Brotherhood and Legion, and more so in what their practice is .... with regards to sexual assault

>>64258600
Don't wait too long before going to OWB if it's your first time playing. Unlike most of the game, OWB has pretty brutal level scaling and enemies just turn into bullet sponges after level 30.

Make sure to use Jsawyer Ultimate, so that varmint rifle is .22LR

>>64253877 (OP)
>typical ncr military experience

>>64254304
>Not fucking everyone with your private securitron army and then disappearing

Why are you boys so keen on having the government in the wasteland?

>>64265773
>And we see in 2 and later games they haven't actually
the BOS arent really in 2, so you cant make any claims about how they run
but matt is hardly the bunker dwelling anti-social grognard, who is upfront and honest to the chosen one and dies believing that the chosen one can stop the enclave

> The BoS canonically keepsed tech from being used in the Wasteland
canonized in fallout new vegas in spite of their ending slide in fallout 1 also canonically stating they did the opposite

chris avellone just wanted to recycle more of the script from van buren while JE sawyer needed to make the BOS equally complicit in causing the war with NCR

>>64253877 (OP)
fallout is like mad max if it was made for obnoxious spergs and faggots who would rather argue over fictional geopolitics instead of playing a game that isn't complete dogshit

>>64253877 (OP)
bump

>>64253889
No faction gets my allegiance. The people must be lead by me to freedom.

>>64253930
Cringe overload

>>64253927
>ebul-ER nazi roman chuds.
Even the Lead Writer disagrees with you

>>64253877 (OP)
Why do people think the NCR helmet is a steel Brodie helmet and not a Vietcong style pith helmet with no ballistic protection whatsoever

>>64267512
The New Vegas slides themselves are a bit at odds with each other. Or maybe more accurately Veronica's content doesn't really get along with the rest of the game.
>the BoS is just going to rot away in their stupid bunker forever
Except there's... maybe one ending where this even happens? Even if you don't replace McNamara he goes after Helios again.
>The BoS will NEVER adapt or adopt new technology. They're too stuck in their ways!
But if you show them EDE they jump at the chance to make themselves some Duraframes.

And there's the fact that to make the BoS look like assholes they had to spawn in a small group of extremist NPCs during Veronica's quest that are so obviously stapled on that the other BoS NPCs will help you fight them if you drag them to the bunker.

Shit don't add up.

I only support the NCR because I fantasize about sex with all the senior female officers including Colonel Moore, Major Kieran, Captain Boyd, Ranger Ghost, Lieutenant Haggerty and Colonel Hsu, who is not actually a woman

>>64258515
Caesar tells the courier point blank that the legion is a collectivist dictatorship where "The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war, or production." - While I can agree that modeling your society off of a pre-war dysfunctional society can be cringe, trading that for postapocalyptic Stalinism is fucking retarded.
All this to say,: House or Yes man endings are the only ones worth carrying through.

>>64264976
Was it a fictional book?

>>64269224
Sawyer outright said its a tin pot helmet

>>64263985
>Also I don't understand Bethesda hard on for BoS
they were in every game prior to 3

>>64257385
Nice A1, anon. Btw, was this picture taken in Australia?

>>64263985
>Also I don't understand Bethesda hard on for BoS yet the disdain for NCR.
What can I say? The BoS is simply a fucking awesome faction. You may disagree with their methods and they have committed enormous mistakes and abuses in the past, but at the end of the day, their presence in the wasteland is still a net positive.

>>64270010
Yes Man ending is the Best Man ending

>>64263985
>Also I don't understand Bethesda hard on for BoS yet the disdain for NCR.
The NCR represents 'old Fallout' and since Todd is a petulant, spiteful manchild, he's doing his best to destroy it and wipe the West Coast clean.

>>64263985
>I don't understand Bethesda hard on for BoS yet the disdain for NCR.
Because big stomping knighty boys are COOL anon! Don't you want things to be COOL you dweeb?! Functioning societies? PFFFT!

>>64270415
>he's doing his best to destroy it and wipe the West Coast clean.
Black Isle and Obsidian wanted to do it before he did you sperg. The West Coast being destroyed was the plot to Van Buren.

>>64270453
>San Francisco is the entire west coast
Fucking tard

>>64264572
Nah. Post2Apocalypse is really a underused plot elements.

>>64253889
Actually they're more like an agrarian feudal society more than anything

>be N*R
>be infested with t*oons, w*men, g*ouls and m*tants
>they chimped out because our OG chapter wouldn't gib them weapons
>they send wave after wave of conscrips
>we did it Reddït
>then some swole ass motherfuckers show up saying "Ad Victorium"

>>64270453
San Francisco isn't the west coast, it's just a tumor rotting it to death.

>>64270010
desu would

>>64263993
Yeah, so stop speaking in absolutes, you absolute cretin.

>>64263993
It's kind of the point that Caesar cherrypicked what elements of Rome he wanted to emulate, resulting in something that is more or less surface level aesthetics and some military structure.

>>64264910
I think an overlooked parallel to the NCR/BoS conflict is the expansion of the USA and the various Indian Wars, with the BoS playing the role of natives. If I had to square the circle regarding them coming to blows, I'd put the shift in BoS mentality due to it not having a way to cycle out leadership roles easily. The West Coast Chapters were being led by increasingly sclerotic old timers who weren't adjusting to the new realities of the world where the BoS wasn't the undisputed top dog and the NCR didn't need their expertise while at the same time the guys coming up in the ranks were raised on tales of glory and fighting in an area that had largely been tamed. So you get the perfect storm of BoS leadership thinking the NCR is getting too uppity while their underlings are itching for a fight to prove themselves.

>>64270535
>BoS
>shitting on anyone for having women in their ranks

>>64270656
FO1 and 2 BoS only had male Knights.

>>64271149
Paladin Mathia in FO1 is female.

>>64270101
he based it off an early post-apocalypse setting book
about a man who lives long enough to see, in real time, people develop tribe-like superstitions and their own pagan religion
so you see a guy who literally lived pre-fall of man watching the people around him turn to worshipping sky people

its hardly the most realistic book, reading is actually a useful skill for survival, but JE sawyer decided to use it for arroyo

>>64270487
Remember when Avellone wanted to destroy New Vegas? Maybe you should actually play the games.

>>64270584
Caesar's Legion is also in Oklahoma

>>64271524
One of my major problems with the Legion is that there is no way for them to actually control the amount of territory they do in the way they do without there being both a massive amount of Legion forces outside the Mojave and a government apparatus that exists despite the Legion explicitly not having one.

>>64270487
The destruction of san Francisco was followed by the NCR-BOS war that led to both of them being reduced to near nothing
The NCR technically won but they were so devastated by the war that they abandoned all their territory and what was left was immediately seized on by caesers legion
The sole remaining NCR town you can visit in van buren, hoover dam, mentions that they havent heard from shady sands and are unsure if it even exists, they are effectively a sovereign state
The west coast would have been reduced back to a scavenger world even harder than it is in the current game

The destruction of san Francisco likely had more to do with them just feeling rather strong negative emotions to the entire place being a chinese stereotype with scientologists living nearby
Rather than quietly retcon the place to have always been a sane, non-stereotypical, city and lo pan and the dragon just being hallucinations of a chosen one, they would rather nuke the place

Also why they killed off all the talking deathclaws and wanamingos
JE sawyer tends to just kill off parts of the setting he feels dont fit in

>>64271565
This is largely because the game was forced to cut a lot of the legion content of the game

JE sawyer did clarify that the legion can run such a large territory because it doesnt actually run them
They run on a feudal system where the towns run themselves more or less the same before and after the legion arrives
In exchange for all the raiders being killed, the legion will occasionaly make requests of the town, which can range from simple supplies to asking the whole town to move somewhere else
And The legion never asks twice

>>64271596
The problem is that it would still require a massive amount of Legion manpower to remain in Legion territory to protect its borders, keep the raiders from returning, enforcing its dictates, and making/facilitating its requests, and bureaucracy to keep things organized. The Mongol Empire frequently comes up in comparison but the Mongols had a set capitol with state administrators, a provincial system, localized military commands, and a judicial system.

>>64271632
The legions need to control vegas as its new rome is largely driven by how unstable the legion is when its an army with no government
So caeser knows that ruling such a large territory is impossible long term without the necessary government machinery

>>64270584
>80s territory
>Beastlords
>Jackals
what happens in these places, do you think?

>>64254824
It's because low IQ retards and faggots get their opinions from ironic memes without getting the irony.
>>64254444
>My issue with that, is that Bethesda writers have a huge hard-on for civilization's decline in Fallout. Not that that isn't a critical part of the setting, but 200+ years after the great war, with the tools at hand, people would have rebuilt. It really brakes the immersion for me when I played FO4, and there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.
I feel the same way. Reading up on the Bronze Age Collapse and the Fall of Rome as well as the movies, books and TV Shows the Interplay used as inspiration really shows how much Bethesda doesn't get the setting.
Fallout has the same problem that Warhammer had for the longest time. Setting stagnation and flanderization.
Interplay and Obsidian were using Fallout 1&2 and New Vegas to tell stories.
Bethesda is using Fallout as a brand.
It's part of the reason IMO why the east coast Fallout games are look upon as lesser entries.

>>64261387
That's what I thought it was. NCR probably doesn't have the tech to make Kevlar or what we'd consider modern plates so they just use boiled leather on top of steel plate.
Any actual pre-war body armor they can get their hands on goes to elite troops. I did think it was weird that NCR would deploy power armor troops but with the actuators and servos ripped out. I get why they did it since it means you don't have to spend more time training troops to not injure themselves with it but it removes one of the major advantages to power armor and why you'd want to use it in the first place, aside from the protection.

>>64271996
>I get why they did it since it means you don't have to spend more time training troops to not injure themselves with it but it removes one of the major advantages to power armor and why you'd want to use it in the first place, aside from the protection.
It's because they can't actually maintain the suits, so the best they can do is rip out all the fancy shit and use them as semi-mobile pillboxes to protect important objectives. If the NCR could actually produce their own suits then you bet they'd be deploying them properly.

It's not like PA is THAT hard to train into. That shit was on track to be US Army standard issue; it was one of the big reasons China was losing the land war.

>>64271803
Tribal raids most likely

>>64271965
>the Interplay used as inspiration really shows how much Bethesda doesn't get the setting.
Chris avellone, JE sawyer, and tim caine all actually like fallout 3 and especially praise its setting and aesthetic
Tim caine did express misgivings about the story being too derivative, but he absolutely praises the atmosphere and environment

JE sawyer and chris avellone both have defended 3 on its merits as a game and for its more evocative visual design, admitting that they would have made 1 and 2 look more like 3 if they had thought to, and deliberately used 3s design ethos in NV
Which is why novac still has a 200 year old dinosaur and everyone lives in a rundown 200 year old motel that still has its no vac ancy sign in disrepair

Its mostly fallout 4 that they dont like and haven't really tried to seriously defend, with chris avellone saying he only put about 20 hours in it compared to 200+ in 3

>>64271524
But do they hold territory that far or do they just raid it once in a while?

>>64270584
>tfw I've always liked the idea of a Fallout game set in the deep south.
>Giant mutant monitor lizards/Iguanas are used livestock and as beasts of burden.
>Death Claws are replaced with Giant mutant Alligators and monstrous Anacondas.
>Part of the problems the region faces revolves around fighting off Viking style raids and pirates from the Caribbean nations.
>Tribes of mutant boarmen terrorize towns and villages.
>Mutant Kudzu threatens several communities. Though the people eventually figure out how to turn the plant into several valuable products.
>Probably could also be the most unique sounding Fallout since New Vegas.
>Use a mix of Bluegrass, Gospel and Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0_eRVroLqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHowqKYSXNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXgyZg2WaeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkufQ_gjAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xb0cuWTYAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-WQ05ViZI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1NfVi6SM3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1JpFiXXZs
Already had a few ideas for a few factions.
>Venetian style trade empire based in New Orleans that runs along the Gulf Coast.
>A Monarchy in Alabama, Georgia and North Florida
>A roman/Jefferson style republic that extends from the border of the Capitol Wastland to the Borders of SC or maybe Georgia.
Bethesda would find a way to fuck it up.

>>64271632
>>64271596
That's kind of why I sided against the Legion in my playthrough. To me it was obvious that the whole thing was going to collapse into petty warlords when Caesar died. Sort of like what happened when Alexander the Great died. IIRC there was supposed to be a quest where if Caesar did die you could help back one of the claimants to his throne. If there ever was such a mission, I probably would've picked Vulpes since he seems actually smart and understands the predicament the legion is it. Lanius couldn't hold shit together beyond nailing folks to crosses which isn't a bad way to get people to do what you want but doesn't make them like you. He'd probably would get assassinated in his sleep after pissing off enough people. Vulpes gives me the same vibes as The Patrician does from Discworld.

>>64272145
Lanius and Vulpes are two sides of the same coin in that they both have issues with how the Legion operates. Lanius realized their logistics suck after nearly being routed in Colorado because of a lack of organization while Vulpes realized their rank structure was so rigid it was working against them. But at the same time they both see the other as going against the Legion ethos.

>>64272141
Since I live in Alabama I've had some on-again/off-again thoughts about a Deep South Fallout.
>I-10 Bayway/Causeway turned into a fortified bridge city that sends out raiding vessels into Mobile Bay to insure all travel and trade has to pass through
>due to the water table all Vaults were either above ground and covered by planting to disguise them as hills or are located underwater
>another Enclave oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico (in general I like the idea that there isn't one Enclave, there are several that each consider themselves the true continuity of the US government)
>pre-War ghouls lording over communities as small town tyrants because they're the only ones who know how to keep what little surviving industry running
>a tourist trap plantation that is run entirely by robots acting out equally ahistorical moonlight and magnolia/slave uprising scenarios depending on which button you press at the beginning of the tour

>>64272236
>due to the water table all Vaults were either above ground and covered by planting to disguise them as hills or are located underwater
That's not a bad idea actually. You could have one that was buried under a landfill. Later on the Vaultdwellers and other towns folk can mine the hill for prewar artifacts and stuff.
>in general I like the idea that there isn't one Enclave, there are several that each consider themselves the true continuity of the US government
I've always really liked this idea. If you draw from Ancient history, like the Bronze Age Collapse, there is a this neat moment where regional governors manage to hold on to power during the collapse and later on their titles as regional governor/administrator would become the word for King or Emperor. These petty kings would later fight against themselves as the one true successor to the Mycenaean Empire.
I imagine it would be the same in the US. Where the title of Governor means King or President. The actual title of President is reserved for the one who eventually manages to unify a significant portion of the US. Sort of like how the title of Emperor was treated after Rome fell.
You can also have other parts of the US government survive. It's not unreasonable to have it happen either. There are parts of an imperial apparatus are still around after the collapse of an empire.
The Catholic Church is one example and you could argue the British Banking system is another.
For a fictional example, Comstar from Battle tech is built on the old Starleague FTL communication administration and infrastructure.

>>64271516
Wait when was that

>>64272032
Modern writers luck onto interesting ideas then this lottery winning buys them "credit" they use to tarnish their own creation.

>>64272293
I'd argue the Clans are a better example than Comstar, but the Great Houses are literally constituent parts of the Star League fighting for hegemony. My idea is that there were at least 4 or 5 Enclaves that made it to the time of the games of varying capability. Another thing I want is that aesthetically there isn't a lot of "people living in damaged buildings with corpses still inside" because the environment of the Gulf Coast quickly decays wooden buildings.

I will take this opportunity to glaze the humble Ranger Patrol Armor. I like what it represents.
It presents the NCR as what it is, a new society in a new world. There is obvious inspiration from the US military combat armor but it is not scavenged, it is made by hand, fresh, new. It is adjusted to the realities of post-nuclear America. The khaki and dark brown tones fitting the desert environment, the large water backpack on the back. Stirrups on the shoes to evoke American traditions of old. The scarf tied around the neck that can be unfolded and used to cover the face.
It's a shame it is so overshadowed by the gear used by the Veteran Rangers.

>>64273235
In fact now that I think about it in, many ways the large coats and menacing riot gear of the Desert Rangers represents the wasteland in the age of vigilante wanderers, the time when the old world was dead but the new was not yet born. While the NCR Ranger gear represents a new order.

>>64273235
I always really liked the "modern" ranger armor too

>>64272293
I hate how much art depicts post-apocalypse Jackson. If SHTF half the state is making a pilgrimage just to burn the place down. It would be a smoking crater within a week.

>>64272336
Avellone wanted to destroy all of the West Coast so he could keep writing Fallout games for it. He's the reason why Dead Money has the Red Cloud ending, Old World Blues where the scientist escape and attack the Mojave and with the Tunnelers in Lonesome Road attacking New Vegas.

>>64273844
Avellone seems content to view things the playerbase likes as an insult to his vision of Fallout. Unfortunately his ideal vision of Fallout is the degenerated last two humans in existence beating each other to death in the middle of an irradiated desert over who gets to eat a pile of shit.

>>64273975
I don't Fallout ever had a singular unified vision, according to him and Cain, Fallout 2 was such a mismanaged nightmare that they're surprised that it had gotten the praise that it did.

>>64273844
Did that mod get finished?

>>64265795
I hate to break it to you but in real life the amount of metal required to provide protection against rifle bullets would weight too much to be worn.

>>64253924
play the first two games

>>64274714
not yet still a work in progress

>>64270357
>Anon is a helicopter pig hunter

>>64256448
single-handedly saved the NCR

>>64253877 (OP)
dragbody is a gay nigger and giving post-apocalyptic troops gear that looks like vintage WW1 stuff is retarded.

>>64272915
the Clans are too far from the Star League, ComStar is a literal continuation of the only surviving SL department

>>64273844
>>64279189
Dragbody leans far too much on WW1 aesthetics but I do agree with the fact the NCR army should be highly non-uniform. Real, modern militaries can have trouble standardizing gear across all of their units. I hardly imagine it would be easier for a government in a world like Fallout's. Add to that the fact a non-insignificant portion of the soldiers are conscripts.

>>64279867
Disagree. Real world militaries have standardization problems because they have generations of different gear, the NCR military started with nice prewar gear (the combat armor their guards had in fallout 2, plus the NV ranger armor which is explicitly salvaged swat armor), and as they got larger they produced shitty postwar gear from scratch, and when they were capable of producing nice postwar gear it all went exclusively to the rangers (ie, the patrol armor). There may well have been a transitionary period where they tried to stretch their prewar gear across the regular force, but it wouldn't have lasted long and is either over by the time of NV, or alternatively the nice shit gets hoarded by units assigned to guarding brahmin barons and shady sands. Its not like you're going to have varying uniform cuts or patterns, as most of the regular army gear you see ingame is post-1st battle of hoover dam and made to the same spec.

>>64253930
>>64253970
>>64254328
>>64257298
>>64263993

The NCR is stated to be building out its logistical and technical capacity. They are the primary customer for Sloan's concrete and were buying it to lay a base for new rail roads prior to using it for fortifications on the Colorado. The OSI is now producing technical staff for the NCR that aren't exclusively anarchists. They know how a lathe works, what you're asked to steal are machining plans for the high end weapons that the NCR can't farm out to cheaper machinists.

What's really interesting with the NCR is how they're closer to the Romans than the Legion is in a lot of ways. The legion serially lies to tribes to get them to join and them obliterates them, which can end up biting them if you bring this to light to the tribe they're currently working on. Elements in the NCR are willing to reach peace with the Kings (to secure an ally against House) and the Khans. And if they win, they will either be driven out or integrated. And like old Rome, the NCR is on the cusp of their imperial transition in NV.

Caesar talks about how defeating them will be the moment of synthesis that makes his empire, but doesn't get what his victory means to the NCR. The Vegas campaign is an unpopular border occupation that is derided at home as the President's war. They have political gridlock with powerful families in semi-open revolt, and seem rudderless now that 150 years of rule by Aradesh and Tandi are over. Losing at the dam is the first real, existential threat they've had in a long time. Suddenly the NCR has a cause. Crushing internal dissent, fully mobilizing their economy, and throwing its full might against Caesar will lead to the NCR fully embracing all the things the vegas locals hate about it, but it will finally be in the image of the old America: an expansionist state that cannot afford to let people outside its borders plot against it.

>>64276856
>NV Makes sense as long as NV isnt canon
Lmao

>>64253924
They don't have 1900's kit. It's only a handful of mentally retarded fanboys who think that.

>>64269533
>Or maybe more accurately Veronica's content doesn't really get along with the rest of the game.
veronica was one of the earliest characters in the game and they couldnt do any ADR with her, since felicia day was pretty busy
she still references things that are no longer in the game, like claiming the fiends dont have energy weapons when they are the biggest user of them, and referencing the second sexbot who ended up being cut content

>But if you show them EDE they jump at the chance to make themselves some Duraframes.
admittedly, this is because they dont care about non-weapons technology, and what they do with EDE is make a small army of them

>>64280312
Surely a lot of gear would be privately sourced by soldiers to improve their chances of survival though. There are a few NCR soldiers in game wearing pre-war combat helmets instead of the NCR issued ones for example.
At the very least I don't think the standards on uniforms would be as strict as they are today.

>>64280994
???

>>64271803
Buttfuck city

>>64281060
They should have 1800s kit.

>>64271149
The knight guarding the entrance in the first floor of the bunker is a female. You can even try to flirt with her and she calls you a fag. Stop being Indian for once in your life and play the games that you pretend to care about.

>>64280538
wdym interesting?
the NCR is the roman republic, Caesars Legion is Caesars Legion.
>. The Vegas campaign is an unpopular border occupation that is derided at home as the President's war. They have political gridlock with powerful families in semi-open revolt, and seem rudderless now that 150 years of rule by Aradesh and Tandi are over. Losing at the dam is the first real, existential threat they've had in a long time. Suddenly the NCR has a cause. Crushing internal dissent, fully mobilizing their economy, and throwing its full might against Caesar will lead to the NCR fully embracing all the things the vegas locals hate about it, but it will finally be in the image of the old America: an expansionist state that cannot afford to let people outside its borders plot against it.
the NCR has already reached a lot of the limits it is capable of reaching, it cannot just magically press some 'mobilize' button and summon thousands of equipped and trained soldiers out of thin air when they don't even have the capability to train or supply their current recruits.
>>64270584
what a shit headcanon map.

new reno is flat out confirmed to not be NCR territory and they just slap it in there.

>>64284393
also, the NCR isn't on the cusp of imperialist/colonialist transition, they are actively doing it. caesar mentions kimball genociding multiple hostile tribes in the mojave, Cass mentions 'civilizing' of tribals, theres the rattlesnake deal, and they also allow their soldiers to execute any mojave residents who commit a crime (even if they're not combative) because they 'dont like playing peacekeeper'.

their entire foray into the Mojave is explicitly imperialistic, they're just less brutal than the legion.

>>64284393
>it cannot just magically press some 'mobilize' button and summon thousands of equipped and trained soldiers out of thin air
They're stated to not only have kept the majority of their forces within their territory as a form of security theatre, they're waging a second campaign in Baja during the events of the game. About halfway through the storyline you see the NCR reinforce its position in the Mojave by redeploying troops from the now-concluded Baja campaign. You might even say they "surged" forces into the Mojave because the NCR in New Vegas is an incredibly blunt parallel to the GWOT.

>>64283985
Ew thank God Mr House had those retards buried.

>>64270535
>Ad victoriam
They never said this. The retarded f04 version did and don't drag tactics into that shit heap.

>>64284658
>They're stated to not only have kept the majority of their forces within their territory as a form of security theatre,
>They're stated to not only have kept the majority of their forces within their territory as a form of security theatre,
No they aren't. They keep heavy troopers and veteran rangers elsewhere because they're priotirizing their resources poorly (Heavy Troopers are guarding the resources of oligarchs and the 'Baja Campaign' is a nothingburger waste of time), and while they're both potent assests they aren't the majority of NCR soldiers.
We see and hear repeatedly from NCR characters themselves (Hanlon, Ranger Jackson or whoever the ranger at the Mojave outpost is, and the 188 arms trader, for instance) that NCR soldiers are entering the mojave with exceptionally insufficient training (sometimes as little as two weeks), no armor, insufficient weapons, etc. This is not something a nation does when they have thousands of soldiers in reserve they could just send in,
>You might even say they "surged" forces into the Mojave because the NCR in New Vegas is an incredibly blunt parallel to the GWOT.
The only surge implied is that of specialist elites. The NCR have a lot more comparisons than just GWOT (though that's some of it).

>>64271803
post-apocalyptic HEYA-HOYA's