Thread 64284525

Attention, /k/. I am Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus of the Jade Falcon Clan. A full Trinary stands ready to conquer your board.

What forces dare oppose us?

>>64284525 (OP)
FIVE clones of Paul Harrell with his full memories armed to the teeth and in his vigorous, youthful prime.

he's going to smash all the puss

>>64284525 (OP)
muh dick

>>64284525 (OP)
>What forces dare oppose us?
I Glenn Lofall, of the Eridani challenge you!

I'm calling the galaxy rangers.

>>64284555
Trips confirm.
>Not guts no glory
>No pain no gain

I've been playing BT for 35+ years and this is awesome. I do accept your batchall oh, I'm bringing nothing but field guns.

>>64284525 (OP)
>Attention, /k/. I am Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus of the Jade Falcon Clan
No you are not! You are an imposter trying to sully my honor, I demand trial by grievance!

beep beep

>>64284571
I feel like if you powergame and bring nothing but massed barely mobile gun turrets there should be a rule that your opponent can declare that they just walk around you. It's how it'd play out in a campaign.

>>64284860
>if you powergame and bring nothing but massed barely mobile gun turrets there should be a rule that your opponent can just walk around the table and smack you
FTFY.

>>64284525 (OP)
This is Admiral Maridors Haeckle of Solarian League Navy and commander of Battlefleet Sol and Naval Station Ganymede, stand down or be destroyed, I have a force of over 500 super-dreadnoughts under my command.

>Know from the games that mechs can't detect and shoot down small recon drones, at least at the time of the clan invasion (no laser AMS yet)
>The AMS they do have has about 250m range and shoots 4 missiles per second
>They can't intercept artillery
>JDAMs are basically guided artillery, by the way
>Know that a "trinary" is just 15 mechs
>Know that mech weapons top out at 2000m

Your opposing force will be Carrier Strike Group 5 of the US 7th Fleet. Normally it's comprised of 12 ships and 75 f-18 aircraft, with the USS George Washington as it's flagship.

>I'm also swapping the other 11 ships with Ticonderoga-class cruisers, which each have 122 tomahawks ready to go and two 54-caliber naval guns that can fire 20 rounds in a minute, but I'll keep that to myself.
>The clans will probably see this from orbital recon scans anyway, so whatever.

Battleground location will be some island in the Philippines.

>I let the clanners show up first with their 15 mechs
>Some stealth drones are orbiting at max altitude to paint them
>The cruisers begin shooting guided shells at the mechs. 220 in total are pigeon holed on them within 60 seconds.
>70 f-18s drop 10 JDAMs each. 700 (You) seeking bombs rain down like hail from hell
>We're assuming at least some mechs are dead or damaged at this point
>The cruisers open up with a combined total of 1342 tomahawks
>Even assuming all 15 mechs are Novas with double AMS, standing within 250m of each other and that they're all still alive, that still limits them to a combined missile shoot down rate of 120 per second across their 250m radius.
>Tomahawks move at about 900m/s, which means they will cross 250m in 0.278 seconds.
>The mechs will have shot down 33 tomahawks by the time they hit, meaning 1309 tomahawks found their targets.
>1309/15 = 87 tomahawks per mech. Even if we assume tomahawks have the power of just regular LRMs, that's enough to kill any mechs still alive.

My prize for winning is a star of female elemental soldiers, btw.

>>64285216
>"what's BAR?", the post

>>64284525 (OP)
Unleash the Boris Johnsons!

>>64284525 (OP)
Goonhammer has a good write up for cheese tactics. Personally my favourite is spamming offboard arrow iv launchers with homing arrow iv and spamming shitty tagger hovercraft and just killing everything

>>64285241
What do you mean? It's battle armor rating. The tabletop game uses it as a number to check for critical hits. If you're suggesting that battlemechs would be immune to modern explosives, I think that's unequivocally untrue whether you look at the tabletop, the books, or the video games.

>>64285262
Well, then I'd point to rifles and the implicit assumption of early lore that combat ranges are so short because 'Mechs are swimming in EW (before the Raven came along and threw all that into chaos).
Or, I'd just take advantage of Omni capability to fit UMUs and LRTs and laugh all the way home that you bid away your ASW capacity in a littoral battle.

>>64284525 (OP)
>Harmony Gold lawyers spawn

>>64284525 (OP)
I turn off the TV so the cartoons can't get me.

>>64284525 (OP)
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>64284525 (OP)
All I need is my Locust2 with a laser loadout. I will also accept a star of female elementals like this anon >>64285216

>>64285268
>the implicit assumption
Wow, it's nothing, but lets say I'll humor you. We're using laser guidance on all the munitions and perhaps IR seeking for the shells. This is the equivalent of using TAG to negate the accuracy debuff of an ECM suite (which has a humorous range of 200-250m btw).

>UMUs and LRTs
The Clans invented UMUs for elementals in 3059, with the IS adapting the tech for mechs later. I don't think the Clans would have them on their Trinary mechs. Not at this point. Like with laser AMS, I'm presuming we're in the Clan invasion decade and this isn't available yet.

As for the LRTs, you'd have a point... if they didn't have that pesky range limit. My Cruisers will be at least 40km off shore and the carrier at least 200km back.

>>64285369
>3059
Good point. We'll just go for a hover drop on top of the carrier, then.
>inb4 I shoot the dropship down
Conditions of batchall broken, prepare to reap the whirlwind

>>64285216
>Know that mech weapons top out at 2000m
Ranges are fiddly. The rules say flat out at the start of modern editions that they're entirely there to facilitate fun games on a limited space. If you use optional rules, there's extreme ranges, and then LOS or horizon range. LOS ranges are infinite, as much as you have physical sightline across any distance.
Flak ammo or cluster autocannons with a decent pilot can hit any attacking aircraft with decent regularity, if you use LOS range they can punch back at range fine enough. Unless you're breaking the batchall they know you're bringing a shitload of aircraft, too.

It could do with testing but using primitive weaponry rules properly and LOS range or anti-aircraft return fire it's pretty possible to shoot down a completely ridiculous amount of modern aircraft attacking a group of mechs.

>>64284525 (OP)
I bid grandpappy's Jap killin knife. Let's settle this like men.

>>64285782
did he kill fiddy men and have his knees blown out by japanese machine gun fire?

>>64285379
As the one being challenged, I'm entitled to designate the location of the battle. But, if they want to land on the carrier under some kind of dezgra logic, the cruisers will still be able strike them with impunity while the carrier crew finds a way to sink the ship. We're over deep water than most battlemechs are made for. They won't survive.

>>64285353
For me it's the Warhawk

>>64284525 (OP)
benis

>>64285342
Pff, at least use the proper copypasta:


What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little surat? I will have you know I graduated top of my sibko with 3 confirmed kills in my trial of position, I have been involved in numerous trials of possession, and I have over 4 trinaries worth of confirmed kills in Operation Revival. I am trained in zellbrigen and I am the best mechwarrior in the entire Jade Falcon touman. You are nothing to me but just another freebirth. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the HPGnet? Think again, trashborn. As we speak I am contacting the clan watch spies across the invasion corridor and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, savashri. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You are fucking dead, eyass. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that is just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in elemental combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the heirs of Kerensky and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your chalcas ass off the face of the Inner Sphere, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy batchall your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you could not, you did not, and now you are paying the price, you dezgra idiot. I will shit ATMs all over you and you will drown in it. You are fucking dead, stravag.

>>64285216
>>Tomahawks move at about 900m/s, which means they will cross 250m in 0.278 seconds.

Tomahawks are high subsonic, doing about 270-280 meters per second.

>>64284525 (OP)
A trinary is just 15 omnimechs. Basically a tank company. How would you conquer a planet with a tank company

>>64286106

a lot of the planets in BT have their major population centers centered around their capitol and spaceport since the succession wars blasted most of the population to radioactive dust, therefore it's easier for an invading force to "claim" a planet if they snag the starport. Also having a "smaller" battle to claim the planet is preferable to having an orbiting WarShip pound every inch of infrastructure to glass, since now you've expended all that effort with nothing but a barren rock to show for it.

>>64284525 (OP)
is this /m/ board now?
je suis clan wolf.

>>64285216
>33 tomahawks by the time they hit, meaning 1309 tomahawks found their targets.

yes but how much taxes do i have to pay for that?

>>64284525 (OP)
Yo mama

>>64286214
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/King_Crab
this fat ass?

>>64285939
I don't think batchalls work like "yeah we agree you have to go on the cuck island and then we artillery strike you until you die". They're fucking retarded but even clanners aren't that stupid.

>>64286240
the bigger mechs can load up arties too. and nothing is stopping clanners from loading up on all LRMs to shoot them first. OR just nego to use more ships/planes to counter them.

>>64286214
Yo mama's so fat, they mistook her for a DropShip on re-entry

>>64284525 (OP)
12 savannah masters and a highlander playing his bagpipes at max volume

>>64284571
Unfortunately, the Clams "balance" with Points, not with BV. That said, at least it's not the Vipers or Wolves, who have the occasional Naga to grid-square your gun crews.

>>64284525 (OP)
I bid a single Daishi with a targeting computer/ecm cloaking Void Signature System with dual gausses to headshot all 15 of you fools

>>64285216
Others have handled the math issues, so I'll just point out that the USN doesn't *have* guided 5" rounds. We never bought Vulcano, and our own development programs keep getting canceled. We're currently tinkering with the HVP round that was designed a decade ago for railguns, but I don't believe it's in service.

>>64286106
>How can a few dozen mechs take over a fully industrialized world that is specifically known for producing battlemechs?
>How does anyone successfully invade (not bombard from orbit) any planet in BT when jumpships are so limited that transporting a corp sized element is extremely difficult, let alone an army?
>Why aren't planets so heavily defended that offensive battles on enemy territory are rare in the late succession wars, where most of the fighting should be on weakly held 3rd party or periphery systems?
Don't ask questions about numbers in Battletech, they don't and never will make sense because the original writers never thought about any of it

>>64286329
FASAnomics.

>>64286174
This makes sense for your usual Backwater IV planet, but Smoke Jaguar should have never had the numbers to even threaten an empire capital like Luthien with a ground invasion, let alone Earth

>>64285818
Naturally.

>>64285939
>As the one being challenged, I'm entitled to designate the location of the battle
Correct. Your forces must ALSO be at the location of the battle in order to lawfully participate.
Unless of course, you do NOT plan to declare the fleet, in which case, again, conditions of batchall broken, welcome to the Turtle Bay experience.

>>64284525 (OP)
Shut up clannerscum!

>>64286240
>even clanners aren't that stupid

They were in the early stages of the invasion. They believed a bunch of what they would call honorless barbarians were going to adhere to their stupid dueling rules and engage in gentleman's combat instead of using the only advantage they had(numbers). They eventually wised up, but by that point the IS had managed to capture and reverse engineer enough clan mechs that the tech gap had closed, and the clans lost their biggest advantage.

>>64286607
>>64286455 instead of >>64286240 here
I think what he means is that there's a line between "the sphereoids make a false bid, break zellbrigen, and then the clanners chimp out" and "the sphereoids bid an artillery battalion and politely ask you to stand on the X". The Clans are stupid enough to take that fight, absolutely, but they're also under no compunction to loiter around inside the killzone, and it would make a very, very funny story to be able to tell everyone else about the time you crushed an entire nautical fleet because they entered the batchall under the childish delusion that nobody was going to bomb them in return.

>>64284525 (OP)
I bid a full Exosquad complete with fantastic 80s haircuts

>>64284525 (OP)
I bid one (1) porch

now fuck off back to /tg/

>>64284525 (OP)
All I've got on hand is a 5,000 ton immortal daemon engine, sorry. Maybe you should go gather up some more friends.

Hello. As your local HPG station Preceptor, I would like to inform you all of two things. First, that the network is currently down, and we expect it to be back online in seven to thirty eight business days. Secondly, we have nothing to do with this clan thing. Weird stuff, huh? Anyway, best of luck!

>>64285216
Lol. Just challenge them to an american football match.

>>64284525 (OP)
I bid this orphan we found with a Zip .22. You could probably beat him but can you afford the loss in honor?

>>64286106
Basic clanner doctrine is that instead of a massively destructive war with a crapton of collateral damage you challenge your opponent to an exhibition match out in the middle of nowhere. Whomever wins takes the objective and everyone abids by it because Honor. And not wanting entire worlds carpet nuked from orbit.

I bid everything except the lightest lance I command.

I am a Lyran and the lightest lance I command includes two Marauders, an Atlas and a Warhammer.