Thread 64349717

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/gq/ infographic emporium: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>>64349710
Nah man, he'll get a 4S17M and it'll either be a 10x12 on paper and actually be a 9x11 or it'll be 9lb if he goes SAPI M.
The Hesco Z210 would be killer for the crotch plate role but it's pricey.

>>64349717 (OP)
Is it just me or does everyone look fat with a plate carrier on? Only absolute twigs don't look like they're bulging out of s these smaller carriers. If you have any kind of muscle or girth, you look like you're spilling out of them.

>>64349717 (OP)
Got some pretty good advice last time on helmets, need some on optics.

Looking at finishing work related kit. Got armor down, helmet I'm waiting on Team Wendy to tell me if the weird holes on their specialist series helmets are made for some weird fucking proprietary rails that nobody sells before I purchase, looking at setup for my rifle.

We got CCOs and ACOGs, but I hate the ACOG and our CCOs are beat to shit. I've got a PRO that apparently should be "fine", nobody is going to give a shit about it, I got a vickers sling, and swapping out furnature is acceptable so long as its Magpul. but I want a bit of range, and dont know if I go with an LPVO or flip magnifier.

Have experience with LPVO's, none with magnifiers. Do I go for a matching aimpoint magnifier, or bite the bullet and get an NSN numbered LPVO? Cheapest is probably the Sig Tango6 which I can get discounted for a "fuck it why not" price, same with Aimpoint 3X.

I have a bit of unspoken leeway on this shit being a part of a PSD, so if and when I show up with something not from the armory, as long as I don't draw attention I'll probably be fine.

Got plenty of time to train and get good with either option, but range time with either at night under NODs is nogo, and it will be learning in the field.

>>64349937
Reject the tiddy carrier, embrace full coverage.
But really it's because everybody defaults to a 10x12 or SAPI M (9.5x12.5) and if you're genuinely a big guy you shouldn't be afraid to roll a SAPI L (10.25x13.25) or XL (11x14). You eat a weight penalty but there is a coverage advantage. Hell, it wasn't unheard of for people to be rolling 15x16" jumbo plates for full-torso coverage years ago.

>>64349968
10x12's are the right size according to the size chart though. They go nip to nip and from my just below the collar bone to the bottom of my rib cage.

>>64349982
Then it's the right size unless you're trying to deviate from the norm in terms of coverage. A BALCS-style carrier will probably contain "mass" more and provide more coverage with soft armor behind the plates.

>>64349968
I'm new here. What sort of setup does this guy have? I'd also like some protection for my belly/penits

>>64350000
Austrian "EKO Cobra" SOF dude. Looks like he's got a setup similar to pic rel Mehler Vario full coverage kit. MV is a German manufacturer that sells very advanced equipment, but it's costly and they do not sell to regular joes. You can replicate his setup for relatively cheap by buying IIIA pelvis and shoulder armor from Militech - Chinese but fairly cheap. Rifle rated, made-in-USA pelvis, femoral (upper leg), and shoulder armor can be had from Hoplite but it'll cost you. A newer Chinese company called Jinwudun will sell IIIA stuff for much, much cheaper but they're unproven. UARM has Level IV options in some of those categories but they're a touch sketchy as well.

>>64349968
>full coverage
But the ballistic skirt is so cooler.

>>64350141
Going "Jinwudun" with the Russians, I see?

>>64350152
I just want to feel pretty. Is that so wong?

>>64350233
dmgear wins again

>>64350281
>>64350233
I have come to rescue you, m'lady.

why is the gas mask infographic so shitty

>>64350609
How do you propose improving it?

>>64350609
Because they all are. Infographic anon doesn't have any actual real world experience and just takes the word of random posts from reddit. Honestly, most of these graphics do more harm than good p, but maintaining them seems to be the guys primary hobby so the thread just tolerates him out of a sad sense of pity.

>>64351474
>out of a sad sense of pity.
Pity or admiration? As with all things, the true lies somewhere in between. But you're not helping, Leon.

>>64351502
Oh boo hoo. I'm just calling it out because only like two other people seem willing to. Guy is more of pain than anything, and at worse is spreading terrible info that absolutely no one should follow.

>>64349952
Pro is fine. Use what you have on hand. I think you could even get away with a primary arms magnifier assuming you match the height. If you’re going magpul furniture you could also pickup an iwc forward lightmount as well. They also make a version that works

>>64349952
>>64351522
Works with standard drop ins*
>>64349968
Embrace trash. Buy flc.

>>64351515
I think infographic anon is fine. His info may not be up to date or even good at times, but anyone using this thread and the content contained within as their sole source of information deserves their fate. The way I see it, it provides a baseline place to start.

>>64351540
>His info may not be up to date or even good at times, but it doesn't matter because reasons
No. Spreading shitty information is detrimental and at the very worse could actually get someone killed because they followed some shitty infographics. The worst thing is whenever someone has a question about literally anything, he sites his graphics as though they were gospel.

>>64351552
>killed
Lol, lmao. Okay Timmy. My point still stands. Anyone blindly following “advice” on an Angolan stick weaving board deserves their fate.

>>64351515
+1

>>64351578
Some of these infographics go into medical treatment, if they're wrong and someone follows them then yeah, someone could potentially die. But, hey he's just having fun. No biggie.

>>64351678
>get shot
>“No worries, I blindly followed the infographic”
What a ride that would be.

>>64351688
Hey. You never know what retards are out there. How about instead of hoping the mouth breathers of the world can differentiate good from bad information, we just not deliberately spread bad information? I know, I know, I'm asking for a lot here.

>>64351552
>whenever someone has a question
I have a questiin, I need a belt but don't know what and don't want to pick a belt that will get me killed, or worse. Can you tell me from your personal experience what belts you have used, cost, features that will get me shot, ect? Just 10 or 12 choices to.pick from, and with current pricing? Thanks! I really appreciate your personal expertise.

>>64351807
Oh, and don't deliberately tell me to use a belt that will get me killed! Because I'm really worried someone will tell me bad information about a belt that will get me killed. Thx.

>>64351515
>spreading terrible info
Can you cite specific info that is actually bad in the infographics?

>>64351792
The sad reality is that there is no good information here regardless of the medium in which it’s posted. I agree with you, but I think it’s an exercise in futility. Let the anon have his fun and let’s hope it at least gets people with a baseline of competency a start in their homework.

>>64351814
Remember, when whiners are called out for actual facts they will resort to name calling and distractiin. Albert Einstein. 1912

>>64351830
I'm just curious. If info is actually bad in the infographics then they can be corrected. That's literally the point of them.
For some reason this sad guy has derailed four or five /gq/ threads for this. Talk about rent free.

>>64351678
>Some of these infographics go into medical treatment
*One infographic that only says what does what and specifically advises in massive red font to TAKE CLASSES AND LEARN. The implication is that you... need to take classes.
>>64351688
>gets shot - in the vitals
>bought quality armor from Hesco or LTC instead of Chinese white label with a cheat ring
>is ok
damn, tragic.
>>64351812
The belt could hang you on a tree if you paradrop into the Amazon but you have it around your neck for some reason. Maybe you're shaped like a pear and it rides up like Alexander the Great. /s/

>infographic anon spergs out when it's pointed out that his infographics are shit
What is actually wrong with you?

>>64351918
Please direct me to this information in the infographs that is actually incorrect, thanks.

>>64351927
Just ignore it. Make improvements as necessary but I mean you do this on the side. Unless we start paying for it, those infographics don’t need to be perfect. Keep the armor autism flowing and the hell with the rest. I do need info on pistol belts. I’m thinking about doing a bianchi holster setup.

>>64351927
>Just go through each infographic and one by one list what is wrong with them.
No. Mostly they're outdated, filled with chink shit for no reason or outright nonsensical like your flamethrower one. I get this is your hobby and everything but holy shit. Stop getting so goddamn butt flustered every time someone is critical of your precious graphics. This is my last post on the matter, feel free to get the last word in, it seems SUPER important to you.

>>64351965
>this is my last post on the matter
>shits up multiple threads
Dear God I hope it’s your last. You reek of Walmart security. Everything has to be super serious and accurate and spoonfed to you on a silver spoon because you’re incapable of original thought.

>>64351965
>outdated
Please direct me to what's outdated. I don't need a play by play, any infograph of your choice.
>chinkshit
Usually as a joke or "weird" option, but the Chinese do genuinely have good stuff like knockoff Mutant pouches and armor from Militech. You can't beat Militech's RF3 Black or RF2 SiC on value.
>flamethrower
It took me like twenty five minutes since I was interested in buying one and figured, shit, if I'm doing the comparisons myself why not make a quickie to save you guys a step?
>>64351961
Appreciated. I'm going to wrap up the helmet accessory infographic then maybe a bunch of quickies in a separate "Armor Files" imgur collage that go into advanced areas like NIJ 7.6.1 and NIJ 7.6.2, cheat ring and fair hit rules, then things like boron carbide amorphization (why if you're worried about tungsten threats even at standoff you REALLY don't wanna be caught dead with an LTC 28595, 28791, or other B4C-PE layup - get Silicon Carbide instead), then specific threat hierarchies by caliber or something.
I'd like to do a deep dive into the NIJ 44mm BFD limit versus GOST's <22mm limit, including differences in backing materials, and see if there's empirical evidence to suggest running IIIA soft or a trauma pad behind a standalone plate dramatically improves survivability and makes it worth peoples' time versus weight, bulk, and heat drawbacks.
>>64351993
He reminds me ironically of the super serious fuckers on /r/qualitytacticalgear that put thousands of dollars into Hesco 4800s, GEN3 tubes, a $1,500 Ops-Core, an iray thermal for their gun, ECOTI on the tubes, because that would give them an edge in the boog. All true (well, except the 4800s) but they all dipped when the stimulus checks ran dry. Was funny.

>>64351993
>Plato's Allegory of the Cave, narrated by Socrates
At least there are 2 cultured philosophers present here. The journey to enlightenment will be met with resistance by those still imprisoned by thier own untruths. Seek the light, gentle prisoners.

>>64350291
>needs to take an hour to undress just to shit.

Ok, one last post. You guys are dweebs lol. Alright, back to your regularly scheduled programming of sucking each other's micropenis.

>>64352124
>dweebs
Guilty as charged. We can agree on that one.

>>64352124
>one last post
>this time I mean it
>I'll never hit you again

>>64352124
>one last post
See you tomorrow anon.

>>64352071
The existential and absurd are my guilty pleasures. Just like trash sniping.

Welp, time to bust out Jobbloc.

>>64352175
I’m going to use this to sell 20 dcu griple mag pouches.

>>64352199
>to hell with the white van speaker scam, we've got white van mag pouches.
I was hoping to see you actually make them into a cape.

>>64352175
So what's considered a higher quality set of gloves? I have some Mechanix gloves but I feel like they aren't the best

>>64352240
I wear mechanix too and haven't had any issues. It's a wear item so I don't see the point in blowing big bucks on an "upgrade" - have you tried the magpul ones?

>>64352220
I did connect them all but it turned into an overly hefty burlap sheet. I may figure out a use for them all. One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloody. Going to the thrift store later for a project later. Cheaper than buying surplus parkas.

>>64352254
>One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloody
You ever wonder about how surplus gear ended up like that? I think about that sometimes with some of mine. My LA-12 GLIS is a bit scuffed.

>>64352272
>google.com
>how to remove large bloodstains from dcu
I’m just hoping the third batch of flc pouches arent this way. Despite being kind of shit, the flc doubles work very well as singles for both 30 and 20 rd mags.

>>64352291
UCP* well I dun fucked that up but you dig

>>64352291
>seltzer water and lemon juice for blood, or wear red
trash sniper exposed, laundromat on Kensington Ave, 2025, colorized.

>>64352304
Dye it red. Alpenflage we have at home. I found a green leopard shawl at a yard sale that resembles berezhka. More to come.

>>64352333
trips checked we're inventing crimson UCP over here, gonna be like red tiger stripe from MW2.

Gloves for doing stuff outside when it's cold but not tactical ones and not leather ones?

[spoiler]what if am poorfag?[/spoiler]

>>64352630
how cold?

>>64352630
>not leather
Why? Get leather gloves from your local hardware store and call it a day.

Alright, 1.00 initial version of the Helmet Accessory Infograph.

>>64352254
>One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloody
yeah, I got a helmet cover like that once. needles to say, I didn't use it. It wasn't the right size anyway.

>>64352819
up to -10°C or more often -5°C
>>64352857
because I already have a tactical pair and a leather fashionable pair and a few work pairs

>>64353068
>helmet cover
>covered in blood
bruh

>>64353047
>a haiku
Buy ach in fall
Saw makes noise
Pray on ballistic rating

>>64353047
>cat ears
This is why you get shit on

>>64353069
I like surplus glove liners, but if you don't want tactical or leather it sound like you should just go to the store and buy a pair of winter gloves.

>>64353083
purchase dragonskin
see cert is suspended now
waste five grand today

>>64353108
I am only including the >>64350233 in this infograph.

elll yaaa boiiii

>>64353069
>I already have a few pairs of gloves
Jesus, we're now at the point where people are "consooming" gloves for their backyard.

now u americans see truth. you buy shit to buy shit. u get endorphin when underpaid amazon delivery driver limp his way to ur door. u get horny when u see package. u open package. u no longer horny u disappoint. u buy groves and when no longer excited when u get gloves u buy more gloves. u think this fashion runway this is strip mall get job. care for your family ur children starving in basement while u look at gloves like 20-something neet look at porno.

>>64353186
Most people cannot afford a $1,000 emergency expense. You ever wonder why?

>>64353186
>>64353277
>you can't spend 5-20$ of disposable income on a pair of gloves because uhhhhh..... you just can't okay????

>>64353387
>It's not just the gloves... it's the socks, and the boots... and the doordash... and the limited edition kommandostore alpenflage poncho...
It adds up man.

>>64353431
>it's the socks, and the boots
based and worth spending money on
>the gloves
useful and can be gotten for less
>and the doordash.
I am not a retarded retard
>and the limited edition kommandostore alpenflage poncho...
they have some cool stuff and a lot of overpriced stuff

>>64353478
>doordash
Are you sure you don't want to spend $22.91 on a $10 burger?

>>64353612
nta, I have used doordash once in my life and decided the price of delivery was not at all worth it. I don't get how other people use it for every single meal or when they have people shop for them.

>>64353633
neetbux gets people a long way.

Speaking of poverty, new product drop for /pfg/. Binock came out with a new wide-FOV lens for NVG30 / NVG50 that is 55 degrees FOV versus the old 50. Peoplel have adapted the old one to the Nvg3rd but it doesn't fit out of box. I think the GNG2K will be able to fit it but not positive.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809160508164.html

>>64353387
When someone says they already have MULTIPLE pairs of gloves and are asking for more for no reason, that is consumerism. That's basically an alcohol addiction.

>>64353980
Nail on head. Only exception is if they genuinely blow through them from wear / tear, but that's like blowing through .04 plates because you keep diving on them. Most people don't do that.

>>64349717 (OP)

I got Sordin SFAs because I wanted a fancy tactical headset with a cheekweld cut and the highest NRR possible. They are nice, but you would think the headband and connectors would be better than $25 Peltors that cost 15 times less.

I need a way to run walkers with a low cut helmet other than wearing the band and taking the pads out. Gonna buy 4D pads.

What does dipshit look like he's wearing here?

New drop. Radtel RT-950 PRO, $97 radio capable of TX/RX on 11M, 6M, 2M, and 70cm bands. Massive Rx range but it's reportedly deaf in the longwave / medium wave ranges.
Due to FCC license-by-rule and power regulations, this is not kosher for CB operation. It seems to be more addressed to freebanding rebels who would also like to intercom with local baofengs. USB-C charging. Battery is only 2600mAh but if you wire in from a battery pack runtime shouldn't be an issue. 10W nominal.

>>64353047
PLEASE STOP MAKING THESE

>>64355146
no

bros, I recently noticed the police/ICE/DHS/law enforcement/whatever tend to wear dual-filter gas masks, but with only one filter attached. Why is that? Surely it's not a budget issue, looking at all their other shit.

Also I've never been a stickler for uniform regs, but holy hell can these people at least TRY to get some standardization going? They look worse than airsofters.

>>64355191
>but with only one filter attached. Why is that?
probably so they can shoulder their rifles

>>64355191
>standardization
A lot of them do. You just chose a picture where they don't.

>>64355191
Couple of potential reasons.
1. Double the filters attached means double the filters used. This means they need double the stockpile that needs to be rotated every so often. Logistical burden.
2. They aren't exposing themselves to chemical agents long enough, concentrated enough, or potent enough to require two CAP1 filters. They have initiative and can retreat to swap filters if they need to.
3. Weight.

I think this guy forgot something.

>>64355239
What did he forget?

>>64354608
a hood

>>64355252
he left his NV mount on but he has no NV, no bridge, no nothing.

>>64355258
>NV
It looks pretty sunny in that picture to me.

>>64355265
yeah but why's he got a mount and nobuddy else does, eh vinny?

>>64355258
That's when the South Korea special forces from a martial law incident that they had 10 months ago. Why are you lying?

for an apocalypse scenario, how valuable would this shit be

>>64355309
Well you could keep the fish tank running no?

>>64355281
Listen Tone, they just forget to take off some of their toys sometimes!

>>64355299
they're goggles that could'a have gonna to ice bridge man vinny! Shaddafuck up i ain't lyin to nobody. Bitch ya need a bulletproof diaper for all that shit you're spewing. fuggoff!
>>64355330
toys like ya mudda's?

>>64355342
You leave muh ma outta dis!

>>64352254
Which one?

>>64355258
I've never tried it, but I wouldn't be surprised if its a lot easier to attach a bridge to a mount with the helmet on than it is to attach the mount to the shroud with a helmet on, especially with a respirator. At least with the arm folded down you could kinda see what you were doing.

Been filling out my new p83 chest rig recently, currently just need to get some nitrile gloves and wait for the combat gauze and fancy balaclava to come in. In terms of longterm plans, I might add some molle at the sides so i can put the TQ on the ouside of the main medical pouch and throw a multitool or something on the other side, might even put a carabiner on one of the loops to hold my gloves

>>64355606
also, before anyone says anything, I will be taking the packaging off the TQ soon, just need some rubber bands to keep it together

>>64353980
>and are asking for more for no reason
the reason is that I want some different ones

I'm not buying for the sake of buying but for the sake of using in specific cases where I wouldn't want to use other pairs

>>64353047
>didn't mention neck training to carry all this bullshit on your head
dude

Does anyone have a link to a good gear discord or similar? I want to buy an MSA Millennium faceshield but they're like $100 everywhere that still has them in stock.

>>64354622
$60 on AliExpress. Interesting SpecAn, cloning and location sharing features. Carted, but not purchased. I had to create an AliExpress account and will.warn.up to the ideaof completing my purchase in time. Maybe.

>>64356261
That's with the first time buyer discount. The HT came out like two weeks ago so it's still fairly untested. 6 and 11 meter (think it could be jailbroken to 10?) plus 2 and 70cm is enticing and gives the Magnum 1012 a run for its money.
This is 200% larp, but if they come out with an AES-256 / P-25 version with 11, 10, 6, 2, 70cm Tx I could see it being a major contender in the tac radio space.

>>64356274
>AES-256 / P-25 version with 11, 10, 6, 2, 70cm Tx I could see it being a major contenderata in the tac radio space.
RT7000. It's a panel mount, but hey, Ihave room in my truck. 29.7 - 960 MHz AM/FM P-25. That said, there may be certain frequencies denied due to design (flaws). https://www.canyonaeroconnect.com/product/rt7000/
The handytalky is attractive, but I already doubt thier spec compliance, without even seeing them

>>64356446
Very enticing. I'll wait some time for new reviews on this HT and if there's no further red flags I'll buy and report back. Plan is double radio setup with my UV-25D and keep the RT-950 on 11 and 6.

>>64351814
>Doesn’t even mention Orion belt
Yet you’re suggesting slop like HSGI?

>>64356571
That Orion belt does look rather nice, thanks.
>HSGI
What's wrong with the Tacos?

>>64355746
>Recommend me new gloves for the backyard, I already have a bunch, don't recommend me tactical gloves or leather
You're asking because you're addicted to buying things.

>>64352630
Just buy the cheapest warm pair at tractor supply and stop having autism.

Anyone have a particular brand of sandals (with heel & ankle strap) they like? I have some Teva’s that I like hiking in, but find the toe strap and buckle can chaff the tops of my feet, the traction can be sub par, and occasionally I’ll stub my toe. But in Southern Appalachia, I’d much rather have light feet and the ability to drain water. Couple weeks ago I was in a saddle and a heavy rainstorm parked itself between the mountains. While I was soaked to the bone it was nice not having that bulk on my feet and they dried out pretty quickly.

How the FUCK is it that literally nobody can make kneepads that stay in place?
Is the solution the pads that slide into pockets over your knee?
Nobody's even embarrassed to wear "kneepads" around their ankles, or sideways.

>>64357656
Might as well go with the boot-to-knee variety used for riots if we're accepting this level of jank. I do wonder about the sliding issue for the IIIA leg protectors used by the shield man in some SWAT teams.

>>64357656
They do this on purpose because it's more comfortable, retard. You pull them back up when you actually need them.
And yea, every single competent person uses kneepads that velcro into your pants in 2025.

>>64355612
What are you talking about, dumbass? The CAT7 is all velcro and sticks to itself. What rubber bands? Also, that's not nearly enough gauze for anything.
Stop buying shit and get a STB class, you're clearly way out of your depth.

>>64358030
you use rubber bands to keep it from unfolding in storage.

>>64358053
To aliexpress, you must go. Acquire more gauze for bargain prices, you must.

>>64358030
The rubber band is keep everything tight while in the larger pouch, literally just a small QOL thing, i don't know why that made you sperg out
Also, I clearly stated that I'm waiting for some quikclot to come in, so complaining about the amount of gauze in an unfinished medical pouch seems kinda retarded

>>64358119
Don't sweat it, some people here are on short fuzes lately and need to spend their weekend yelling at people on a basketweaving forum.

>>64358020
> They do this on purpose because it's more comfortable
lol, no
Those damn things slide and shift around like crazy. It's not a comfort issue, obviously.

>>64358020
>>64358030
This nigga seems angry. Reminds me of the Agilite rep when people were calling out their fake reviews. Everybody was "retard" and "dumbass" and then this dude was like, "I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna sue 4chan!" lmao

>>64358234
>I'm gonna sue 4chan!
lol, RMA tried to do this same thing but with posters on ARFCOM. Case was dismissed for obvious reasons.

>>64358234
Please tell me someone has screenshots of this

>>64358268
NTA, I'll hit up desuarchive and see if O can track this down later today

>>64358257
lol, that's so on-brand for RMA it's not even funny

>>64358610
Man, I remember twelve years ago when they got into a royal pissing match with Infidel Armor (which sold steel plates) and had a whole deboonking page on their site.
My favorite is that by their admission, as of 2013, RMA no longer sold plates using imported materials. Like, great.

Oh that's lovely, Desuarchive is down. They gotta get a new toaster.

>>64358708
it's back

>>64358746
Thanks. Image showing RMA Armament v. John Doe I and John Doe II, dismissed 2017. (I'm lazy).
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/k/image/1676/84/1676842467496.png
And here is the "SEE YOU IN COURT" Agilite blowout.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/54550299

>>64358792
kek

>>64358850
You probably wouldn't be, but I think a lot of people would be surprised just how REPPED /k/ is. We had Apex Armor here, we had two guys who fanboyed the hell out of Adept here, RMA's community dude admits he goes here sometimes, and I'm like 75% sure the dude from Gilliam Technical Services lurked here judging by how he went swinging against Buffman on reddit and (impliedly) attacked Highcom's nominal sizing chicanery in one of his articles.
But that's the "tac gear" world in general. We do't get it as bad as other places.

>>64359080
> I'm like 75% sure the dude from Gilliam Technical Services lurked here judging by how he went swinging against Buffman on reddit and (impliedly) attacked Highcom's nominal sizing chicanery in one of his articles.
WTF happened there?

>>64358850
Those Agilite faggots are up to 4375 fake reviews.
Meanwhile the most meme carriers in the business, like the Spiritus LV119, has only 53 reviews.
The most-reviewed carrier on Amazon, a $35 Yakeda, has less than 2000 reviews.
Damn, these guys at Agilite must think everybody is retarded.

>>64359410
It's been deleted, but he got into a back and forth with Buff on reddit as to academic AP differences between M855 vs M855A1 or something else really goofy.
Mr. Gilliam blogs on his site here:
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/blogs/armor-plate-blog
Some of the articles are good, others okay. I can tell when he's jabbing at various competitors without naming names. He's in a weird bracket of "alt-alt" armor. No NIJ certs, no testing by Buff or other youtubers (the "NIJ substitute" alt-armor guys like Adept / RMA / Stealth Armor / Militech use), no nothing except a really janky set of test reports and a product lineup that changes monthly. Other "alt-alt armor" guys are Jinwudun and American Blast Ass. Not a great crowd.
His Model 8002, rated for M993, is interesting and only $250 / 1.05" thick / 7.5lb, but there's no hard support for those claims. If it worked it would mog the Hesco 4403, but does it work?

>>64359443
>$35 Yakeda
Don't you dare insult the standard issue Antifa platecarrier like that. Just because the stitching blew out on the STREETS OF PORTLAND from three promags and a pair of RMA 1155s DOES NOT mean they are incapable of fighting... fascism! rawr!

>>64359410
> Highcom's nominal sizing chicanery
In all seriousness this is pretty brazen, too. Almost Agilite-tier. "Uh it's 10x12 Shooter's Cut! Ackshually that's nominal, it's a bit smaller, like 9.5x11.5". Uh well, you see, for us 'nominal 10x12' can mean 9x11"! That's how our 10x12 plates are lighter than our SAPI S plates. . ."

Assuming both companies are certified or whatever, is there any real difference in buying cheap level whatever plates from company A vs expensive ones from company B?

>>64359467
The blog is ChatGPT sloppa. I'd bet big money that GPT-4o free tier wrote this:
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/blogs/armor-plate-blog/the-durability-of-alumina-ballistic-ceramic-and-its-challenges-with-tungsten-core-projectiles
> His Model 8002, rated for M993, is interesting and only $250 / 1.05" thick / 7.5lb, but there's no hard support for those claims. If it worked it would mog the Hesco 4403, but does it work?
The product page and test reports don't say anything about M993. Also the test report is pretty ugly. Two shots but the first is 40mm BFD and the second is over the limit.
Anyway it seems retarded to buy discount-tier armor that's literally made by some dude in his garage.

>>64359476
Don't forget Highcum is the only mfg whose swimmer cut actually weighs more than their shooters. The swimmer 10x12 is actually 10x12 (swimmer is a SOCOM spec and not just madethefuckup) while shooters cut can mean anything and the 10x12 is indeed... 9x11. Good going highcum.
Shotstop did something similar with huge +- variance on both weight and thickness specs. Chinese-import fake NIJ label shitlords passing off mystery meat as Tencate.
RMA has pretty serious variances on the XRT too. The shooters (10x12 nominal!) is 5.3lb, SAPI M 9.5x12.5... 5.9lb. Size and weight are +-0.2 all dimensions. Yes the shooters has more corner cutting, but that's a major weight difference.

>>64359502
Weight, specs, curvature, size, whatever. There can be lots of differences between plates that go beyond price.

>>64359502
Yes, major differences. Weight, thickness, multi hit capacity, special threat testing beyond NIJ specs, reputation and quality control of mfg B, amount of headroom over listed specs, actually having edge to edge coverage (*cough* RMA cheat ringed 1189 / 1199 G1 *cough*).
>>64359507
Well it's just one guy in his garage, you can't expect him to run an armor company, slap the import ceramic together with the chinese PE, and blog at the same time. Too much for Mr. Incredible!
>8002
Brought up here:
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/collections/rf3_armor_0101-07_nij-level-4?
>For reliable defense against the M993 and heavy tungsten projectiles, choose Model 8002. For standard RF3 resistance against RF1, RF2 and RF3 threats, choose any of our RF3 alumina plates.
I did see the 8002 sucks balls in the BFD department as well. I think it's thin on the backer (kinda like the RMA XRT).

>64359531
Forgot to mention this in this post, but if you want a tell tale sign there's something fucky, look to overgeneralized statements. Apex said the LTC 28601 is good for any tungsten core AP below .50 BMG. It's only rated for M993. AR500 also at one point rated their steel III+ for 7.62x51mm "Black Tip" - what black tip? M80 with a sharpie, or actual AP like M61 / P80 / M2AP reloads?
Similarly, Gilliam says the 8002 is good for M993 AND "heavy tungsten projectiles" - what does that mean? Swiss P AP, 7.62x54mmR 7N37 / 7N51, AP11 LR, DM151, all heavier than M993 so it must surely be them. Or maybe the .338 APs like AP529! Nobody knows! All we know is that the plate is already at 39mm BFD fresh against M2AP, so how the hell is it supposed to handle Swiss P?

Just came across another newcomer to armor.
May I introduce the new shady armor company of the week... Mjolner Systems! (not Mjolnir...)
>Before Mjolner, we were end users of ballistic PPE ourselves. We relied on this critical component of our kit in real-world environments, where compromise is not an option. That experience drives our philosophy today: we do not tolerate gear that “copes” with threats.
>copes
>As a Material Science Disruptor, we innovate relentlessly to deliver next generation material technologies to our customers in executing their most challenging missions. Our R&D is not an afterthought- it is the core of everything we do.
>We don’t just manufacture ballistic products. We engineer protection.
So you can't buy anything from them yet, it's all "deploying" in 2026. Red flag #1. First off, their Mk1 helmet is rated to NIJ 0101.07 RF2 and VPAM PM-8, so 7.62x51mm M80 / 5.56 M855 / M193 AND 7.62x39mm BZ API, all under 3.3lb AND "poing blank BFD< 15mm."
>poing
A special order version rated to NIJ IV / VPAM PM-10 (3x B-32 API) under 4.18lb will also be available in Q4 2026, plus a SLAAP-esque plate to boost the BZ API Mk1 to Level IV for 0.55lb.
>this is technically impossible given current materials but ok
>now what about body armor?
In Q1 2026, their new RF3+ plate will reach OPERATIONAL MATURITY. 0.6" thick, standalone, under 4.4lb, full protection against 7.62x51mm M993. Their technology to pull this off?
>COMING NEXT WEEK
(don't ask how they solved the boron carbide amorphization problem)

>>64355191
So it doesn't hit the rifle stock. Cheek weld.

>>64359735
lmao, that's not even a real pic, it's a rendering.
> Their technology to pull this off?
Assuming it's not a joke, I think they are combining RMA and Highcom's technologies. Make it a 9x11" plate and give it a 1" cheat ring. 7x9".
> helmet
Yeah, this is the tell that it's all bullshit. The plate claim is "possible" if you're shady and maximize dirty tricks, the helmet claims are just physically impossible.
It's all somebody's idea of a joke, for sure.
>>64359576
> Similarly, Gilliam says the 8002 is good for M993 AND "heavy tungsten projectiles"
He doesn't actually say that, though. He implies that the 8002 MIGHT work, not that he ever tested it or that it's going to work, lol. Just like, "hey *takes sip from can of Monster Zero*. they say this stuff works better against tungsten rounds, so it'll be your best bet if you're up against them." If you get killed, he has plausible deniability.
Also, on that note, it's a MASSIVE red flag that he picked a fight with Buffman.

>>64358053
You've never handled a CAT, have you?
>>64358119
You have no idea what you are doing at all, it's painfully evident. Why in the world would you put a RUBBER BAND on a tourniquet, adding an extra step in deploying it? How will you get the rubber band off if you need to apply the tourniquet one handed? You're supposed to stage the TQ so it comes out of the pouch in a loop, ready to be put on. Get a STB/TCCC class before you buy anything else. I'm saying this with your best interest at heart.

>>64360719
>You have no idea what you are doing at all, it's painfully evident.
I've learned through my years on this mongolion basket-weaving forum that the people who have spergouts and can't go a single reply without calling someone a retard tend to just be shit-flingers who will argue regardless of any scenario
>Why in the world would you put a RUBBER BAND on a tourniquet, adding an extra step in deploying it?
Quite literally answered this in the post you replied to, it's this kinda shit that leads me to think you're just a ragebaiting shitskin
>How will you get the rubber band off if you need to apply the tourniquet one handed? You're supposed to stage the TQ so it comes out of the pouch in a loop, ready to be put on.
Teeth are an option, it's not like rubber bands are particularly hard to break. It'll be a simpler deployment once I add the molle to the sides and throw on a dedicated TQ pouch
>Get a STB/TCCC class before you buy anything else. I'm saying this with your best interest at heart.
We get it you whiny faggot, you took exactly one stop the bleed course and are now a licensed physician, would you like your cookie now or after you jerk yourself off again

>>64360661
>For reliable defense against the M993 and heavy tungsten projectiles, choose Model 8002
>reliable defense
The issue is that no velocity is given, but reliable defense implies no standoff or special conditions. He doesn't say it on the actual product page but he does say it in his Level IV guide.
>Mjolner
IMO, it's a Diamond Age style hype company with a mix of Rook. Massive claims and not a whole lot of delivery. They state elsewhere on their site that their plates have full coverage, so maybe a dash of "old school RMA" in there too.
Also their site just went down. Huh.
https://www.mjolnersystems.com/
>Wix

>>64360926
> The issue is that no velocity is given, but reliable defense implies no standoff or special conditions. He doesn't say it on the actual product page but he does say it in his Level IV guide.
With no test report and him going out of his way to beef with Buffman, he's probably just making shit up, lol.
Same goes for "Mjolner". Their helmet claims are not physically possible, and their plate claims are only possible if they cheat, so it's all bullshit for sure.

>>64360972
I get the isolated issue of beefing with Buffman, his credibility took a heavy hit after the 4SUS4 debacle and the cheap armor market is oversaturated, so there's no room for Gilliam unless he fights for a space against cheap Highcoms and RMA - attack RMA by attacking Buff who stans for them regularly.
The problem is that he has no NIJ certs, so he needs youtubers to get any kind of credibility because his test reports are a mess. He alienated the largest armor youtuber that "alt-armor" guys go to when they either are afraid of NIJ or don't want to put up numerous samples for NIJ cert.
>Mjolner
Well their website, which has been registered since August 2024, just went down in the hours after they got called out on a basketweaving forum, so I definitely agree something was up. The guy in charge was a Kevin Yu going off their linkedin. Seems to be part of an investment fund.

>>64357593
Ask /out/ for that hippy shit
Sandals are not combat approved

>>64357656
Arcteryx Kneecaps
>>64354033
>Thinking anything sordin will be nice
Tricked yourself

>>64361621
Should make a dropleg holster for the shotty and ditch the pistol

>>64361621
>Scar
Cool
>In 5.56
I wished I had some of some of that mossad money you're rolling with to justify paying $3500 just to be different than an AR15

>>64361621
>dts
You going /fa/ on us?

>>64361655
>Ditching a pistol for a 3 shot breaching shotgun
Bad idea
>Dropleg shotgun
Fantastic idea
>>64361670
5.56 SCAR is real cool desu

>>64361707
What use do pistols really get anyway?
Shotty can handle it
And Scar may be cool, even worth it for .308, but what does it offer over a $2000 AR-15?

>>64361707
Does the double barrel weigh significantly more than the super shorty?
If not I would trade that 3rd round in the pump for the double trigger in the break action

>>64361772
>What use do pistols really get anyway?
Interior of structures/tight fighting? Extremely useful. Getting shot in the rifle is a lot more common than you'd think and your rifle might just choke on something stupid. Ive seen perfectly fine rifles get like a random piece of a breaching charge inside the ejection port and lock up entirely.
Exterior and inna bush? Probably ditch it unless you have an open bolt or similar crew served.
>Scar over $2000 AR
Having owned all of them (416D, Modern 416, SR15, BCM, various partsbuild fancy ARs, SCARs) the SCAR is the only one I end up coming back to for the most part. The reliability is quite fantastic and the recoil impulse has a heavy forward stroke which drives the muzzle down and makes it easier to recover shots when moving or off balance.
And it folds, who doesnt like folding?
>>64361791
The double barrel is mostly for shooting snakes im going to be honest with you. From a breaching standpoint its too wide unless youre firing it sideways or stood way too far off the handleset. Im only carrying the shotgun to breach doors.
Weight wise the double barrel probably marginally heavier.
>>64361692
Honestly works well in the fall tbqh

>>64355550
Not pictured. I didn’t end up going to the thrift store at planned. Ended up buying a succulent Chinese meal instead. Cheap bastards didn’t even give me a fortune cookie.

>>64361870
>Cheap bastards didn’t even give me a fortune cookie.
These bug people sure are getting uppity lately

>>64361884
I’ll get my fortune cookie one way or another. With Halloween candy prices the way they are, im just going to bulk order fortune cookies and hand those out.

>>64361907
I'd say bulk order on Alibaba but I'd be afraid of lead paint and gutter oil. Stay domestic.

>>64361853
>works well in the fall
Me too, jez joshin' ya. We're all friends here, 'cept Mr. Tighty "infografix scorn" Whitey

>>64362076
listen here u fkker no more infographics. No more. We must be cavemen and return to verbal communication. No more infographics. No more discord. We talk on teamspeak and battlefield 2 side chat. You will buy JPC 2.0 and multicam pajamas and an ACH GEN2 and a GEN2+ I2 with at least 2000 FOM and a guyselle AR and an Iray RH25V2 and you vill be happy and incredibly, incredibly poor.

>>64362099
I'm sign languaging my reply now. Meanwhile, have another.

>>64362110
All of this means nothing. Your drones and thermals and stupid plates (fuk why does that guy have sebanteen infographics on sappy plates) mean nothing. You all mean nothing.
The only infographic a man needs is how to make weapons grade plutonium out of common household chemicals. Become ungovernable.

>>64362122
Redflagged. You are a detriment to society.

>>64362131
I am society.

>>64362138
Not polite society. You are not invited into the bunker.

>>64362122
16! I don't maintain 17 armor-related infographics... today.
>>64362146
We have a bunker?

>>64362160
Of course. My studio has a walk-in closet.

>>64362165
Oh good. I was worried I'd have to manifest a bunker out of discount Jinwudun composite panels and Genuine Bulletproof Concrete Store concrete using an infographic or whatever that guy thinks I do.

Is it normal to wear a rig+carrier? Bought a rig ages ago that I never really used and need a reason to still have it

>>64362177
A bunker graphic would be great!

>>64362285
>need a reason to still have it
Get a wife, make a baby. You'll have a reason.

>>64362288
>there is no escape
I'll... look into it after the 17th armor infographic, which, based on the number of anons asking questions, will be... extremity armor!
>>64362285
Surprisingly common if you mean chest rig over slick carrier. Benefits are that your setup is flexible and you can lose the rig or your armor based on the situation.

>>64362288
Include osha 1910.146 & assp z117.1 among others

>>64360918
>Teeth are an option
You are absolutely retarded and I am done trying to explain things to you.
>We get it you whiny faggot, you took exactly one stop the bleed course and are now a licensed physician
I am a paramedic, not that it matters.

>>64362489
I will include those, NIJ 0108.01, and UL 752. It'll be half bunker half fortified facility infographic, maybe.
I see now that this entire thing has basically been a grand tour of the NIJ armor standards. Body armor, 0101.06, helmets, 0106.01, shields, 0108.01, and now 0108.01 again and finally finishing up with 0115.00 - stab protection. 0115 will feature in the extremity armor infographic but more prominently in the eventual mall ninja infographic discussed like two threads ago.
>>64362293
Based dad advice anon.

>>64361621
Shot to death in sleeping bag/10

>>64361884
Damn straight. Genuine bulletproof equipment store wants $300 for a pair of IIIA arm protectors. What makes them think they can charge double Jinwudun money?

Another relatively new radio, the RT-880 from Radtel. Unlike the RT-950, it boasts full Tx/Rx from 18-32MHz, so it has 10 through 17 meter plus 11-meter CB. This means it has full upper / lower sideband CB, also known as freeband, as well.

>>64364332
>RT-880 from Radtel.
What am I seeing here?

>>64364408
It supports USB-C for both programming and external power.

>>64364424
I meant the D style 13 contacts. What mic/spkr interfarce is that?

We have a new member of the SAPI family - courtesy of Hardwire and Leading Technology Composites. Introducing... for the third (for real!) this time... LSAPI!
>LSAPI plates are approximately 30% lighter than the current Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert (ESAPI) Generation III, reducing the Soldier’s combat load while maintaining ballistic protection.
For those unfamiliar, GEN III ESAPI is the swimmer-cut VTP version. 5lb for a size medium, raised BFD limit to ~58-62mm versus REV. J <44mm. Threat level remains 3x M2AP or 3x M995 respectively at 2,850ft/s and 3,350ft/s +-50. This LSAPI cuts 30% weight off while "maintaining ballistic protection" - I don't think that's accurate because that puts this plate at 3.5lb for nu-SAPI M and 3x M2AP / 3x M995 defeat at that weight is impossible, even with raised BFD limit.
What this does seem to closely line up with is the new USMC Lightweight Plate (SAPI-L aka USMC LITE), which is 3.4lb non-standalone protection against 7.62x51mm M80 and 5.56x45mm M855A1. Add soft armor and you're right up with the VelSys PBZSA / LTC 28791 in terms of weight. Per unit, this LSAPI is only about $900 each across 72,179 units so it isn't a ballbustingly state of the art plate. It's like a cheaper ICW LTC 28791 with a raised BFD limit.

>>64364484
Motorola GP328 by the looks of it.

>>64364589
Thx. I'll pursue that.

>>64364613
Glad to help. I'm liking the idea of this RT-880 so far. It seems their naming convention takes a page out of some armor manufacturers' books and the lower number is the higher-end model going off of prices.
It has the ability to pop the middle knob on top off and run a shortwave donut antenna for better shortwave Rx.

I'm in a copypasta type'a mood. Two more members of the VTP family from a 2024 congressional hearing. The OG original SAPI from 1998 is back, this time as a VTP version with a raised BFD limit and hopefully modernized materials. My guess is ~2.9lb ICW, weight not counting soft armor, M80 + M193 + M855 + 7.62x54R LPS (this one at reduced velocity), so you're saving 0.6lb versus LSAPI.
Also available is an all-PE ULWSAPI (ultra lightweight), which if I had to guess is probably like a Hesco 3801LV but again with raised BFD limit and the VTP cut. Best guess is a pound flat.
So the current US plate hierarchy as of Sept 2025 is:
1. VTP ULWSAPI - 7.62x39 MSC / 7.62x51mm M80 @ ~1lb ICW soft armor.
2. VTP SAPI - 5.56x45 M855 / M193 / M80 / 7.62x54R LPS @ 2.9lb ICW soft armor.
3. VTP LSAPI - adds M855A1 to above and likely BZ API @ 3.5lb ICW.
4. VTP ESAPI - 3x .30-06 M2AP / 5.56x45mm M995 @ 5lb ICW.
5. VTP XSAPI - 3x 7.62x51mm M993 / 5.56x45mm M995 @ 5.58lb ICW.
Note that there is no known VTP XSAPI model that passes mil FAT testing. The acceptable weight target in pic related is tight for that kind of protection.

>64364719
And pic related here is the current Russian plate hierarchy as of Sept 2025.

>>64355258
this is what happens when autistic teenagers think reading a lot of 4channel is a substitute for knowing what they're talking about but just look stupid and then try to dig their way out

>>64361621
>Fixed blade on the belt
Just carry a pocket knife and stop pretending you’re going to do something other than slicing sausages up with it.

Yes you should not baton wood either.

>>64365606
That's what my multi tool is for. I need the kmife if I'm going to finish my Salad Snack cosplay.

>>64365606
It looks like a 4 inch blade, you're acting like he's carrying a Rambo knife
Yes anything he does with it could be done with a pocket knife, but also anything done with a pocket knife could be done with a small fixed blade, so he's just freeing up pocket space

>>64363448
>Dying cozy
Based , thanks
>>64365606
>Please carry a folder and not a 2.6" utility knife
Shut up.

>>64366424
>paint ball residue
All this time...

>>64366435
u americans spend gear money on paintball toys. I laugh at u wasting this y u in debbt patetic

>>64366435
Should be paying attention to where the rounds are landing on the plates tbqhfamalam

>>64366435
The gun has a simunition slide you fucking noguns. No fucking shit there are paint hits.

>>64367260
Makes a compelling argument for the old SOCOM medium-long plate size.

>>64367283
I wish we could do simunition here in the US. Would be fun. Though need to inspect every single mag to make sure there are no chances of disastrous mistake.

>>64367324
Not the conclusion I was hoping for from you but good try.
>>64367347
>here in the US
Anon I....
>Inspect mags
Good policy but sim bolts/slides reject live ammo

>>64367355
>Anon I....
Speak, wizard.

>>64367355
Doesn't look like it would be a fair hit on a 10x12. Sure hope it isn't an older RMA in play.

>>64351528
Unironically thinking about buying an FLC and some IDOGEAR GP pouches to make a quick and dirty rig for my turkshit magfed shotgun. If I run four across then I should be able to fit eight 10 round magazines. Counterbalance with 3L bladder on the back because this sucker is gonna be front heavy.

>>64367459
>Turkshit shotgun
Honestly dont need LBE, it wont work for long enough for you to need that.
>>64367372
What makes you think you cant have simmunitions in the US?
>>64367412
Most people see the gun as the threat, then fail to apply height over bore offsets and end up shooting directly in the center of the plate
>What about this edge hit!
What about all the misses that didnt end up on my plates or even on my body?

>>64367604
>Turkshit
To be fair, I've got a VRPA-40 with more than 1,000 shells through it and it still works great. Obviously I won the turkshit quality lottery so jury is out on whether that's repeatable.
>end up shooting directly in the center of the plate
Which is technically the weakest part of an honestly built edge-to-edge coverage plate if we account for crack propagation and "fair hit" shot spacing requirements. That's where the RMA 1155 in pic rel gave out.
>What about all the misses that didnt end up on my plates
Hopefully got eaten by other armor, cover, or struck something that can be medically attended to unlike pneumothorax / direct CNS / heart hits. My point stands that the bottom hit is outside the 6x8" fair hit box assuming you wear a 10x12 and an NIJ-spec plate is not technically required to stop that one, so if you were wearing an RMA 1189 or similar you'd likely be FUBAR'd on that one. Nobody likes cheat ringed plates.
>or even on my body
yay!

>>64367604
>What makes you think you cant have simmunitions in the US?
I recall they were banned until very recently.

hi /k/, yay or nay for this plate carrier?

https://shadowstrategic.com/products/081-coming-soon?variant=54019682795865

t. swedish femboy forest-gnome-larper

Also, food for thought, pic rel is the shot spacing requirement for early US ESAPI plates (2007). Shot one of .30-06 M2AP must be between 0.75-1.25" from any edge, then shots 2 and 3 must be no more than six inches (5-6" req'd for FAT) from the preceding hit. In other words, unlike NIJ, SAPI / ESAPI / XSAPI requires an edge hit - blocking cheat rings entirely.

>>64367782
>Have an armor autism chat with me
How about no .
>>64367841
Import restricted != banned
Youve been able to be shot with the skittles for a while now

>>64368184
do you prefer the red bag of skittles or the blue or purple bags?

>>64361870
So what did you get to eat?

>>64367936
haven't heard of them. is it a euro company?

>>64369119
NTA but it's airsoft. Just go buy from Idogear, Militech, or another upper-tier China brand.

>>64352093
>he doesn’t have a squire at his side at all times to help undress him just for shitting

>>64369698
Is it possible to hire such a squire? I could use one to carry my odachi necessary to cut through swathes of IIIA-armored kevlar samurai through the secret techniques of the Undefeated of the East.

I will become Super Poorfag! Master of Jinwudun, Militech, Genuine Bulletproof Equipment Store, Aholdtech, and Linry!

Didn't /gq/ have a backpack infograph?

If someone does it would be nice if you could post it or give me a pointer on how to get into backpack autism

>>64353047
Bad dragon infograph when

>>64369717
It is possible to hire a squire, but not if you are also a poorfag

>>64355191
> Beaner tard wranglers
> Carrying tacticool rifles with a million gizmos attached
> In gas masks and 511 plate carriers
Grim

>>64371084
Oh so that's why those guys are putting me up to a bunker infographic. Apocalypse-ready goon caves. I see the plan now. Somebody else will have to bake the BD infograph along with the vintage vhs porno infograph or whatever comes after that.
>>64371145
Back alley behind family dollar squire.
>>64370330
The old backpack infographic is >>64370947. Backpacks are also now part of the /gq/ sustainment infograph in the Emporium upthread.

>>64361707
I've thought about adding a sawn down single shot to my kit for breaching/ setting up surprises as a part of a perimeter

>>64349937 Shit that reminds me

I've been meaning to get a new plate carrier for a while now.

> check the infographic

Issue is I've got really specific needs. I'm a wiry fuck with big traps, so 90% of the PC market is too big, but the woman's XS I have has a narrow collar and the straps sit entirely on the muscles at the base of my neck (not ideal)

Ideally I'm also looking for a slick/covert one since I already have a separate rig built.

With all this in mind, any suggestions? I'm almost thinking of getting an airsoft/soft vest and converting it, since a lot of the vests on the "tactical" market are either hella expensive or not what I'm looking for

>>64371847
Have you measured yourself for plates?

>>64371871
I'm in the 10x12 range, I just have a very shallow (like 10 inch) bust depth

>>64371847
my carrier is a defense mechanisms MEPC, it's a more slick carrier and you can get it without MOLLE on the back.
you probably just need medium plates, but you should size yourself.

>>64371847
>any suggestions?
Find the measurements of a medium carrier and cut out a replica via cardboard and hold it up to your body. See of it works or not.

>>64370947
thank you
>>64371673
>Backpacks are also now part of the /gq/ sustainment infograph in the Emporium upthread.
I've seen that but I was very suprised to see the topic so condensed down and was wondering if there's more to it

>>64368207
Green, slightly stale
>>64371786
Yeah thats kinda stupid, dont do that

>>64371939
It's mostly because the old infographics listed options that are arguably redundant and didn't really distinguish what made them different. The topic is a lot more complex, treat that infographic like a starter.
>>64371931
Also cut out a 10x12" cardboard plate and see how well it works for you ergonomically.

>>64371948
ah, the sour man

Payday soon so im finally getting plates. What do Hesco 3411s fall on the tier list? I want something of decent quality but lightweight since I am a small person

>>64372908
They're good. But you really should be lifting. If you're at a weight where the plates are what would be the difference between life or death, you're basically a victim wearing a plate carrier.

>>64372908
They're somewhat heavier than LTC 19513s but pick up 7.62x39mm BZ API protection and are NIJ certified. They are otherwise good for 6x 7.62x51mm M80 or 3x 5.56x45mm M855A1. They are not rated for 7.62x51 M61 AP, M80A1, or .30-06 M2AP.
>>64372948
Based gym-prepper.

>>64372948
True. I've been attempting to get more fit recently. But I've never worn plates so im not sure what wearing 10+lbs of extra weight would feel like

>>64373010
Good news, you can join a gym, find some 5 lbs weights, and lift them to figure it out. Then, next week, you can find some 10 lbs weights, lift those, and then 5 lbs won't feel so heavy. The plates aren't the heavy part. It's when you start strapping on 7 mags, an ifak, radio, extra batteries, a pack, water, etc.

>>64361621
how does all that weight on the belt not cut off your waist circulation

>>64371847
Another flc winner. I gots more pouches coming in tomorrow. Next up trash integration. Been eyeing that oneleaf, but gotta do homework on detection range.

>>64373042
>find some 5 lbs weights, and lift them to figure it out. Then, next week, you can find some 10 lbs weights, lift those,
Wise old cowboy told me to lift a calf everyday till he's grown and I'll be able to lift a bull!

>>64373909
Eat enough calories, take enough protein and pin enough test. You could lift 2 bulls.

>>64373010
This guy >>64373042 is right on the money. There's an old Natick study that gets taken out of context a lot covering load issues like this. Basically the premise is that, with a regular combat load, soldiers feel additionally burdened when armor areal density exceeds what would equate to 6lb / SAPI M. This is why ESAPIs have a 5.45lb weight target, at just around 6lb with soft, and partly why XSAPIs all sat in a big shed and were never widely issued.
This is not an iron rule though. Missioj dictates equipment. Heavier and lighter plates alike can be justified by circumstances.

>>64373849
Detection range on the Oneleaf is 1.8km for the 35mm and 2.6km for the 50mm lens. Probably north of 3km for the 75mm aftermarket lens. That's going off of Oneleaf's spec sheet however and does not specify whether it's a man-sized signature or something like a car.
For comparison's sake the old Raytheon W1000-9 detects a man at 1km and a vehicle at 2.4km. The W1000-9 is like twenty years old and the sensor is grossly inferior, but it has a 100mm lens. I crossed Oneleaf's numbers with AGM's Rattler TS50-640, which refers explicitly to a 6' tall targe @ 2.6km, and that lines up perfectly (same lens diameter / sensor res) so I'd be inclined to think Oneleaf's numbers are actually referring to a 6' "person" as well.

>>64371084
>>64371673
>"""Toy""" Infograph
Lol I can see it now:
>Richfag tier: custom makers ($$$-$$$$$)
>Average: BD, etc. ($$-$$$)
>DIY tier: Smooth-On ($$-$$$$)
>Destitute poorfag tier: Chinese/Amazon/Temu. Diy: Caulk ($)
And one real piece of life advice since I've done some research on materials for making repros for old parts and manufacturing my own products (no not that kind) to sell to compete in some overpriced markets and/or against products I find to be of very poor quality. Please, PLEASE do not buy noname literalwho silicone or silicone products from Chinese brands. There are also different kinds of silicone. Silicone caulk has a shit ton of acetic acid in it and is not skin or food safe (easy to smell for months but does go away). Tin cure silicone is not food safe, not sure about skin; it also doesn't last as long as platinum cure. Platinum cure can be food or skin safe BUT this is not necessarily true, ditto silicone dyes and additives. This goes for """toys""" or even food products like ice cube trays, candy molds, and those baking bowls that are silicone. Platinum cure silicone should come with a document mentioning what it was tested for and how safe it is for food or skin contact and in what situations (dry food, wet food, hot food). Call me paranoid but even the ice cube trays at Dollar Tree have me concerned about their food safety. Chinese silicone you can't find the manufacturer of with no safety data sheets/food safe tests you're supposed to make ice in, right...

>>64374061
Promising figures and barring more homework on it, I'm interested, Likely not to be doing anything beyond 1km with such anyways. It would certainly take the place of the Leopold I had planned on picking up, but then again most trash doesn't have thermal signature.

>>64374198
thank you big caulk anon, you've saved us from lead paint poisoning up the pooper, a secret technique of the Undefeated of the East aka Alibabamaxx.

>>64374198
I am ignoring the entire first half of your post, but am curious on what you'd recommend. Say you have a part and require a consistent silicone caulk overmold, any idea of how to achieve it? Best I got is either dipping off a clotthesline, fry tray dip enclosure, or dilution in sprayer. First two leave transfer marks and the second I'm not sure of yet.

>>64374217
Oh god that's the other part, a lot of those chinese "toys" have pink tips. God knows what that dye or paint is made from; they're dipped post-manufacture. Smooth-On silicone "paints" and dyes are skin safe (used in big budget movie SFX). The more I do research on material safety sheets for every product and the more supplies I find offgassing while sitting with the lid closed the more concerned I grow and the less I trust literally ANYTHING including plastics to be food or skin safe. Any chemicals or paint goes in ammo cans or glass jars, whether poured or doubled up. I shouldn't be able to smell fucking solvents in my cabinets with the lids closed. Like I said, not really into THAT part of silicone usage but guess who has the most knowledge? THAT'S RIGHT, the guys making weird shit! Gotta be food safe? Find people making candy molds. Gotta be skin safe or you want it to be as harmless as possible for those using your products? Medical prosthesis companies won't share that info! But you know who will know and will tell? DIY "toy" enthusiasts!

>>64374235
Lol I swear that's not what I do with silicone; I mostly do repros of old parts. Curious what kind of part you need to sleeve/coat like that. I do have some knowledge floating around but hard to say how exactly without knowing what or how big. I'd maybe do a 2 hour cure 2 part silicone and brush it on, then you might have to put it on a cup/tumbler turner or something similar to keep the thing turning so it doesn't have the chance to get runs or drips forming. Marling Baits uses something similar to prevent runs while his UV resin coat cures on his fishing lures. If it's fabric, then NightHawkInLight has a few methods using caulk or waxes and a thinner not to mention a fabric waterproofing method using hot glue (really!). I wouldn't think those are skin safe, though; maybe on a jacket, not something directly contacting skin. Smooth-On also has great support and will answer questions via email.

>>64374306
Those will give me a start, many thanks! It’s all small scale stuff. Some electronics cases, others like a Mac 10 frame and lattices. I’ve been playing around with different material strengths and finishes lately. It is a rabbithole of insanity and teaches you that you need a larger workspace. I was thinking we could cheapout with a bucket of flex seal over buying hot glue or something.

>>64374306
Finally, an equally autistic anon. Our effortposts will be legendary!
Make the /gq/ "toy" infographic, you must!

>>64374334
Look into Plastidip as well. On parkerized finishes I do have some hesitation to recommend it because I feel it would seep into the finish pretty permanently (spot test?) but on most other things that are smooth or not fabric I think it'd be fine. Silicone really doesn't like to stick to anything (and no glues really stick to it) so it can be a challenge working with it. Also Plastidip comes in tons of colors and a few should be available at Harbor Freight. Buy the can, not the spraypaint version. Big big difference. One is paint you can peel, useful for not permanently fucking up pieces when you decide to paint them and the other you dip tool handles or coat pieces with.

>>64374348
Like I said, not really into that side of silicone lol. You do meet a lot of "interesting" people online trying to find info on molding, etc, though. Robert Tolone molded prototypes of figurines for companies like Disney and other makers, sometimes parts as well. BrickInTheYard makes some neat shit. Bill from PunishedProps has a ton of knowledge as well; he works directly with Smooth-On and makes videos with him. However once you start watching these channels, you quickly find there's whole communities making strange shit. Really fucks up your youtube recommendations. I've also watched guys make parts and explain things very calmly only to realize very suddenly that he's a small-scale prosthesis maker. You should've seen the look on my face when from offscreen he pulled out a fully dyed, painted, and finished floppy silicone titty as an example piece of his work related to the topic, LOL. Gotta learn from the best, I guess.

>>64374334
Oh, another product you may be interested in for certain use cases is the "plastic" that rubber fishing lures are made from, like a "Mister Twister"; Marling Baits uses it. Never bought any but I've been curious. I've heard of people using it as ballistics gel but never really looked into it. Easy to melt, just pop in a cheapo microwave. Should be reusable if you have scraps. Apparently that's what those non-gelatin ballistics blocks are really made from like the ones from ClearBallistics. Also interesting, Smooth-On/Reynolds actually sells the original formulation of Plasticine "clay" that the NIJ uses for ballistics testing believe it or not. I forget what the product is called.

>>64366258
>Freeing up pocket space
Is this what we’ve come to? What the fuck else is going in your pocket that you need to free up that infinitesimal amount of space for?

what are some of the best combat shirts on the market rn? I've never had one but have always been interested! here's a cool picture I took at the renn faire as compensation

INFORGRAPHIC

>>64375242
I need an infographic to tell me which infographic has the right infographic that I'm looking for.

INNNNFOOOOO
GRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPHHHHIIIICCCCCCC!

>>64375253
Boring me, I would just suggest a textual based index, but text it so obsolete in the 21st century Idiocracy of picture based information. The proper way to do it would be img embedded HTML code hot links to each topical infographic. But I certainly don't care that much about gloves, tactical pants or LED flashlights. Come to think of it, I don't care about anything and we are all doomed anyway, so fuck it.

>>64375316
But anon, how else am I supposed to have fun unless I'm making and spamming infographics? I don't have anything else going in my life, please get in to an armor autism discussion with me, please. PLEASE!

>>64375321
I met a guy once that was soo proud of his recovered hat collection he had gathered from the shoulders and margins of roadsides. 2 milk crates worth... I suggested it was time to change his focus to lost ratchet straps and cooler lids. I can only hope I was able to improve his quality of life in a pivotal way.

i got the full blown mtac coverage for legs/hands etc i gotta tell you i can move fast but fuck me isnt it a bitch getting up after a while of ducking.

>>64371673
>Back alley behind family dollar squire
Outside the home depot, make him ride a donkey and answer to Sancho Panza

>>64357656
just use ufpro type pants, nigger. you wont go back

>>64373849
My recommendation to you is to buy a multicam jacket 2 sizes too big and make cuts, then use those as attach points. Not much real estate on the FLC once you put the pouches on it. You can kinda see the DIY ghillie on my arms in picrel

>>64371962
Plates aren't the issue, it's the fuckass tiny collar on the only PC I've found that fits me

>>64371900
Will look into it, bless

>>64375093
Nice pics. Maryland?

Also to answer your question, genuinely any shirt that you find comfy and can wear beneath a lot of weight works. Don't spend too much money on brands.
> hot weather: whatever skintight rashguard shirt you find comfy that isn't white
> warm weather: surplus shirt with the mesh chest
> cool weather: surplus OCP jacket over the comfiest t-shirt you have
> cold weather: surplus shirt with the mesh chest over surplus OCP jacket

>>64374383
Worth looking into. Consider this an alternative to resin drip & uv dry for printed pieces. Objectively doesn’t have to be perfect but I try to push the needle. I dream of flexible receivers.
>>64374428
I’ll give this a look too. Expedient overmolding l though I don’t have a microwave. I may also dabble with shoe goo. The Paiutes trained me in its extensive applications

>>64375929
We are of the same autism. The flc is my treasure. I’m revising my ghillie and will post my method once I have my supplies. This is partly why I’ve been searching for cheap parkas. I won the latest horse bet so more to come. Go Birds

>>64375379
I tried that, but I gave him too much AR500 steel extremity armor, and made him carry massive printouts of my infographics, and he had a stroke.
>>64376068
based philly trash sniper.

>>64375242
>>64375253
>>64375316
>>64375321
Yes my disciples. Join me in returning this board to picture free status.

>>64375958
This one was in Ohio. Thanks for the advice bro!

saaaar I need know what is tac gear I can purchase India. Situation very bad entire call center destroyed I must protect sir i cannot protect without gear i need gear

give me options I cannot redeem $25 applebees card without service

>>64377247
Just get a can of febreeze. It would be the ultimate weapon.

>>64377289
saar I cannot that is ban ban by comcast convention very bad. but if bad man has febreeze what masks can i procure in mumbai to dfnd against deadly threat?
I need solution or I cananot get twenty five dollar applebebes redemption.
Is armor protective best febreeze better or is mask option? Plz help me saar sittuation terrible. Sntire call center bombarded by chemical warfare.

>>64377247
first line made me lol
second was more of a miss, they most often use google store cards

>>64377247
>>64377328
Where did i put the Indiamart infographic...

saar I lost the war no gear much fear i now emegrate applebees microwave chef no more verizin tech support entire mumbai call center destroyed all bobs and vagene lost i now cook very much six hours day and collect much welfare
this avoid if you tell me where get gear to dfnd sprint mobile call center
you abandoned me useless like stanky old vagene
this entire thread feked

Using 37mm lens on the left as a sacrificial lens on my PVS14. (attached to an iris adjustable lens on the right). Would you guys get the middle as a lens cover or would you instead get a rubber slip on cap with this combination? Pictured in the middle is what I'm considering.

>>64352350
I miss thinking this was cool as fuck. The gold too. Yellow accents on a gun look cool and I'm tired of pretending they don't.

>>64378191
gold plated guns are and will always be badass. The aura of wanting to stand out and not giving a shit about camo is inherently a power move.
This is why the Chinese with their samurai armor, thermal supremacy, and multicam black pimp capes will mog us in the boog. We blend in, but they make statements and can still see us, because thermals.

>>64377999
Fuck I just realized my post was missing my image.

>>64378239
Im missing specifics but I'm assuming that cap costs 30 million. Just buy a generic rubber cap. I don't use one for my iris. At most I wrap the tube with my balaclava when in storage/transport.

>>64379548
The cap is a couple of dollars. I was thinking that it would keep the tube in proper darkness when I'm not using it to prevent damage.

>>64379642
If the peace of mind is worth it, why not? I'm just saying that as long as you don't shine lasers into it or keep it pointed at the sun, it's fine. Why not a rubber cap? I guarantee it's cheaper and might actually retain better. Not sure if you're mono or duals, but you could also get a bungee kit. One to retain the unit and the opposite side to retain the cap somehow.

>>64379775
>why not a rubber cap
I was thinking about that but the area on which the cap would slide onto for this lens is 1-2mm. I was posting to see if anyone else has done the same. I'll have to get a proper picture of what it looks like on mine later.

>>64379775
>don't shine lasers into it
I'd be more cautious of other people shining lasers into it. Chinese lasers are very strong.
Unrelated news, the digital Binock NVG-90 is now listed on Binock's site. $1,000 flat.
https://www.binockshop.com/collections/night-vision/products/new-best-rate-night-vision-goggles
I am not impressed by the IP54 rating. I think they're trying to be the HFXC to GEN2+ i2's Iris.

>>64381128
>Binock NVG-90 is now listed on Binock's site. $1,000 flat.
>oos
Figures.

>>64381279
Could be a blessing in disguise. Give it a minute for reviews to come out. The thing just released like yesterday and there are already rumors they pulled an RMA and stealth-edited specs. (downgraded sensor). It's supposed to be 0.00005 lux and 120fps, which would make it the best digi-NV like ever.

>>64379794
big cap over the front. Not small size cap. It can be done. I imagine a cheapo scope cover or binocular cover could be done.
>>64381128
>Lasers
What kind of crab in bucket area are you at? My thinking is that if you see lasers, you have more problems on your hand besides worrying about nvg. Side point, a unit for a Cleveland is pretty baller. Still slightly high compared to omni tube prices, but not terrible.

>>64381460
>area
Fuddy and thirty years out of date, my turkshit shotgun is state of the art technology.
>see lasers
Two points on this

1. Lasers are as little as about twenty bucks if you buy Pinty. The Pinty and other cheapo lasers are strong enough to risk eye or NV damage.
2. You can't see IR and it will fry your NODs all the same. Ebay and Aliexpress lasers pushing 500mW+ are the big problem.
>NVG-90
First off, calling a grand a Cleaveland is BBB (based beyond belief) and I'm stealing that. Anyways, keep in mind it's digital - albeit very high performing digital - and comes with drawbacks. I think the price is too high and the IP54 rating is weak for what's priced in the semi-professional bracket.

>>64381436
>0.00005 lux
Bah, what's a couple decimal places among fire ends?

>>64381762
Yeah I count zeroes at this point. Nvg3rd and GNG2K are 0.0001 lux, NVG-90 is 0.00005. Lower is better. We'll be at 0.00001 lux in a few years, then eventually 0.000005 lux, 0.0000025, 0.000001. Really should start using millilux. Nvg3rd is 0.1, NVG-90 0.05.

>>64381806
There is a "pistol" thermal for $750 I almost droppped on, but felt it is a rash purchase

>>64382007
Are you referring to that pistol thermal with a 2 hour battery life that becomes useless when the battery dies?

>>64381509
Much obliged and agreed with the price, but babysteps. Just curious what the concern with lasers is. Angry Egyptian protestors from 2013? Or you're worried about splash?

>>64382061
I think he is referring to that Infitac FMP13. It's cool on paper but has a number of issues.
1. Battery life as you described. Thermals are generally poor on runtime and while you CAN run USB-C to this thing, running a powerbank strapped to your pistol or maybe your forearm is jank. That's intended for using the FMP13 as a secondary rifle sight. Like you said, if it dies it is useless and if it's on a handgun, it is blocking your sights. There is a notch up top you can use for very close shooting, but that's purely last ditch.
2. Sensor resolution is 256x192, which is terrible and bottom-barrel by today's standards. You'll be staring at pixels in low-light situations trying to figure out if that's your granny getting a cookie from the kitchen or someone trying to shank you for your 75" flatscreen.
3. Screen-type thermals like this and the SIG ECHO lineup tend to backlight your face, which is terrible in situations you'd probably be using a handgun in.
4. Your field of view is jank because you can't treat this like a regular red dot. You're looking at a screen.
5. All of the above for $799.
>>64382007
For above reasons and more, definitely keep "pistol" in quotes there. It's really meant as a supercompact thermal you stick on top of an LPVO or MPVO and use as a "is SOMETHING there" detector, then use your primary optic to ID.

>>64382169
Lasers are becoming increasingly popular with protestors and bad actors. Very powerful ones (500mW+) can be used to fry cameras and make for a burglary implement. There are some pushing 10W or more. Instant eye-frying capabilities, and that means your NV too. This is LARP, but if you're expecting, however unlikely, to use your shit kinetically then lasers are going to be a potential problem.
More realistically, however, backsplash from yourself or others through a mirror, windshield, or something else (even a wall if the laser has enough ass) can damage eyes, cameras (digi-NV) and analog. More powerful the laser, greater the odds. My HFXC isn't as risky as my 200mW "Glizzy" (IYKYK), but both of those are only getting more common from here.

>>64382061
>2 hour battery life
>equipped with a CR2 battery for up to 5 hours of operation
He said, she said.
>becomes useless when the battery dies?
>the FMP13 combines portability with performance
I expect all battery power items to become useless when the battery dies.

>>64382185
>definitely keep "pistol" in quotes there
>Best suited on 45 degree mounts on rifles to offer optional thermal for CQB.They do fit on handguns as well with a standard RMR footprint.
Agreed.

>>64382227
>I expect all battery power items to become useless when the battery dies.
I don't think you understand. You can't just look through the glass of a thermal when the battery runs out to see your iron sights.

>>64382227
I'm reading that they recently added shake awake to it. If it auto shuts off but starts up as shake awake I could see that being used to cheese the battery life stat. A CR2 is only 800mAh typically and that's not a lot of juice. For comparison an 18650 is 2,600mAh average with 4,000mAh nominal peak for certain models (Vapcell N40).
Regardless, between 2-5 hours, that's poor runtime for a pistol sight. This makes far more sense as a piggyback optic. Then turn it on only when needed or run USB-C in from a 15,000mAh bank.
>>64382233
45 degree mount for CQB is iffy for reasons expressed in >>64382185. It's a shuttered VOx thermal and therefore has to freeze every so often to NUC and refresh. You're gonna CQB with an optic that momentarily freezes on you every so often? I dunno man. I'd like to see the Oneleaf no-NUC version of this, but we might have to wait years.
>>64382236
Agreed. It's like looking at a dead phone. It is dead weight and will need to be discarded to use backup sights.

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>>64352240
buy a box of these