Thread 64384688

Refute this

He's not actually concerned about the guns is he?

Anyone who’s not retarded makes sure their kids are supervised around guns.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t particularly want to supervise my kids porn watching.

>>64384688 (OP)
>outed himself as pedo

>>64384688 (OP)
He's right, in a way. You shouldn't ban certain sequences of bytes because you think the people who look at the pixels they encode are icky. The First Amendment ought to guarantee that, but in practice democracy ensures the people's irrational disdain for ickiness prevails, especially if supported by well-crafted mass hysteria.

>>64384713
*sips* son, back in my day...

>>64384688 (OP)
Dollar discount sam porter looking ass

>>64384723
that's not the point.
CP is illegal because it's inherently rape. there is no way it can't be rape.
that's why drawings and hentai are legal, because it's not real.

>>64384688 (OP)
Of course he's Jewish.
>>64384723
Whatever, pedophile.

>>64384743
>that's why drawings and hentai are legal, because it's not real.
Say that to the Queens court or the Sheriff in Texas.

>>64384723
You dropped your yarmulke.

>>64384743
Read Alan Dershowitz

>>64384723
This is your brain on terminal relativist LOLbertarianism.

>>64384762
which one?

>jew outs himself as a pedophile while trying to accuse others of something
Accusations are the jews weakest ability, they always tell on themselves

Illegal is not the same thing as restricted though?

>>64384723
Fuck off, you just want legal CP

>>64384762
Read Voltaire

>>64384688 (OP)
One is exploitation every time and one is an object that can harm. Also the Constitution you fuck wit.

>>64384762
>Read Alan Dershowitz

>>64384688 (OP)
>Steinberg
Everyberg. Singlestein. Timewitz

>>64384819
Be careful, that's heckin' racist!

>>64384723
>anything becomes moral if you get bogged down in semantics long enough

>>64384688 (OP)
>Steinberg

Why restrict anything? Just have a cyberpunk 2077 utopia where drugs and guns are available from vending machines and any porn you want is a direct download into your head.

>>64384723
Well first off the reasoning behind CP possession being illegal isn't "because its icky" it's because creating it is illegal for obvious reasons and allowing it to be trafficked after the fact by others promotes its creation.

Secondly, there are ways to possess CP legally, you just have to have strong proof that you don't intend to trafficking it because people aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt over CP. At the end of the day the difference between something being illegal or not depends on if a jury thinks it is and I doubt you'll find a jury of your peers that's going to believe "no I didn't play a part in creating or distributing this CP I just have it for uh, purely innocent reasons."

>all the /pol/tards ITT

>>64384743
This excuse doesn't work because while the age at which one can make pornography happens to coincide with the age of sexual consent in several US states, the latter is often lower in most states and countries. Banning it is a dangerous solution, and was only applied in Europe because they imported the pedoscare at the time. But this is not the central issue. I won't be justifying having sex with prepubescent children; the essence of the conversation is that banning computer data sets a dangerous precedent.

The legal and law enforcement infrastructure for arresting people over data they possess should not exist in the first place. In Europe, much of the same infrastructure is used to detain people over their exercising of free speech, and in the US is already being used to detain people over the stuff you mentioned being OK as the Overton window shifts; >>64384755

Again, it's hard to see through all this because you think it's icky. I don't blame you, I used to think the same. It's difficult to argue for this issue due to kneejerk reactions people have to it, but as an opposite of reductio ad absurdum, consider how vocal people are against the War on Drugs despite it also having an ostensibly noble goal, recognizing it for the breach of liberty that it is and citing drug planting by police and it going after the wrong people as evidence, both issues that happen with counter-CSAM efforts, mostly because drugs were perceived to be used more by black people in contrast to the gross white pedo stereotype.

>>64384880
you replied to my post, yet I do not think you read it.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but now I am sure you are just a pedo. you can hide behind your libertarian mask but saying things like
>I used to think the same
shows me who you are.
and the argument that CP is only "consenting" 16 year olds is the biggest lie you people push.

go jack off to hentai and stop defending CP

>>64384723
kys pedo freak

>>64384755
Are you referring to some recent case or what?
>>64384880
Detain or arrest for what exactly? I'm not sure what particular law or legislature you're citing.

now that you mention it, US restrictions on black plastic 'assault weapons' is a lot like Australia banning small boobs in porn for being "CP" and they both use the same 'think of da children!!!1!' reasoning (despite not protecting any) and if you disagree at all you're a child molester/murderer

>>64384973
>Australia requires your porn to have big tits.
I still think they’re whiny, self-righteous, cunts, but they just earned a lot of respect back.

>>64384973
>US restrictions on black plastic 'assault weapons'
what, are you talking about.

Of course it's coming from a member of the tribe
Child porn is far more damaging to a child's psyche than any firearm, whether it's a simple Ruger 10/22 or a Barrett 50 caliber, You wanna know why?
Because they have to fucking live through the memories of that abuse, a gun will simply kill them, and that would require someone making the action anyway, and there's tons of ways to keep a gun away from a child that work (safes, teaching them proper gun handling, etc.)
And for the record, I'm talking about IRL kids, I dont support anything that's anti lolicon because I know that will just lead to a total ban on anime.

>>64384998
I think what he's talking about are states with AWBs

>>64384743
>CP is illegal because it's inherently rape. there is no way it can't be rape.
Nude photographs are not rape. Self-recorded videos are not rape.

>>64384873
It certainly reduces the market for it, but using that same line of reasoning (as >>64384845 thinks I do) we could ban all electronics to protect the Congolese children being enslaved to dig up the rare earth metals used to make them.
I don't want to live in fear of potentially possessing any kind of data. I don't want to be arrested for having a PDF of Mein Kampf or whatever on my computer, which could end up being reality if this goes on unchecked. Boiling frog, etc. Certainly no /k/ommando would like to be arrested for having a bit of aluminum fashioned into a certain shape, even if that could arguably cause *much* more harm, and more directly.
>>64384925
The hypocrisy regarding data considered illegal is what caused me to soften my stance on this and recognize the pearl clutching and "think of the children" shit for what it is: mass hysteria. I don't think society as a whole should have opinions that strong on anything short of war, economics, and murder; all it does is demoralize us and distract us from real issues. Yes, I used to think the same, I live in the same culture you do. I have a family and friends, I go to work every morning, I like to shoot sometimes. I don't think you're much different. As cheesy as it sounds, we're both human. I'm not trying to manipulate you through a computer screen.

>>64384755
why're you making shit up?

>>64385028
Well it's going to be inevitable because the powers that be will push for the end of internet anonymity because it allows for criticism and it makes it hard for them to send their thugs to arrest you for wrongthink.
Why do you think it's being pushed so hard in the UK?
Also, they dont have guns, which makes it easier

>>64385027
They can still be coercedhowever.
I think there needs to be more nuance regarding such laws but actually discussing this shit is like walking through a minefield so I won't bother.

>>64384935
I just took that anon for their word but the only one I know of is Texas Senate Bill 20, which is in force.

>>64385068
That only applies to stuff generated from real stuff.

>>64384829
Worse, it's anti semitic.

>>64384688 (OP)
Nobody is going to comment on the skin color of the child?

>>64384688 (OP)
I think we need guns because hanging this pedo faggot from a tree would land you in prison

>>64385074
I doubt there is enough CP training data floating around on the internet nowadays. It passed with a unanimous vote, which is deeply concerning.
>>64385047
>actually discussing this shit is like walking through a minefield so I won't bother.
Which is why it should be discussed, especially on anonymous forums like 4chang. Polarization makes it impossible to take certain moderate positions without your opponents twisting it into something socially unacceptable, you have to be on the defensive and espouse extremist views all the time, and with time those extremist views become immutable fetishes, effigies, and taboos. Culture becomes a mockery of itself. Everyone just gets so paranoid and... weird.

>>64385101
You're indian?