Thread 64432318

>>64432318 (OP)
>tfw you're a water dawg and you hear "PFC GOMEZ, THE PURIFIER SALINE CONTAIMENT IS COLLAPSING"

>>64432318 (OP)
I've been waiting for this day for too long

>>64432318 (OP)
Canister shot was probably never intended for "anti-infantry" use.
Imagine this; there's an ATGM team in a brick house 200 meters away
Do you A) shoot a sabot and create a four inch wide hole in the wall
B) shoot a HEAT round and create a 5 foot hole in the wall
C) shoot an HE and blow down half the wall
or D) shoot a canister shot and shoot a thousand holes in the wall

It's not really about "shred this one infantry soldier with extreme prejudice" but "destroy this lightly fortified emplaced enemy position with low margin of error".
Why would you shoot a dude with a tank shell anyways when you could just cut him in half with the coax?

>>64432364
Canister was for clearing large masses of troops. You just need to fire one round down a street.

I thought it was for helicopters

>>64432318 (OP)
>>yfw you're an Abrams gunner and you hear "GUNNER, CANISTER, TROOPS"

>>64432318 (OP)
>DRIVER, TRACKS, STROLLER

>>64432318 (OP)
>DRIVER, TRACKS, TROOPS

>>64432384
>Canister was for clearing large masses of troops.
In 1865...

>>64432384
You assume weapon characteristics from marketing headlines.

>>64432424
>In 1865
Speaking of that, we need to bring back double canister as a capability.

>>64432425
From talking with a co-worker who was a former gunner.
He said canister was his favorite. Said it would cut a 100yd swath at 500.
>>64432424
Modern canister was a direct result of the Japanese tactics in WW2. Extensively used during Korea.

>>64432422
there was a driver tracks car moment in a thread last week sometime

>>64432318 (OP)
>yfw you're a [Stuart] gunner and you hear "GUNNER, CANISTER, TROOPS"

>>64432318 (OP)
>Mfw charlie snipers want to tango my 106mm of flechettes

>>64432424
And what? It suddenly stopped working?

>>64432364
>probably

>>64432424
So what? Nothing ever becomes truly obsolete.

>>64432318 (OP)
GUNNER
FLAMETHROWER
MIMES

>>64432318 (OP)
>mfw

>>64432318 (OP)
>DRIVER, FOXHOLE, 12, PIVOT

>>64432364
canister shot is for when the Chinese send two infantry divisions to take the 2km of line you're overwatching, that's otherwise covered by a platoon of marines, hopes and prayers

>>64432758
Is "free gun" roughly the equivalent of "weapons free"?

>GUNNER, SABOT
>REPEAT
Is the scariest.

>>64433961
I think that's bong for runaway gun, where the action gets so hot from firing cyclic that the sear fails and the gun keeps shooting after you let go of the trigger.
SOP is to break the ammo belt and just ride the lightning until you're out of ammo.
Expert pro tip: you can't snap the belt of a Mk19, the 40mms are too fat to wrap your hands around as it moves. If it's mounted on a humvee turret, whatever you do don't unlock the turret ring before hand and jerk the gun up in shock, as a stray 40mm could fall down into the engine block of your PL's humvee and brick it.
source: was retarded as a private

>>64432318 (OP)
>casually turns on the window wipers for the view ports

>>64432318 (OP)
>GUNNER, SMOKE, BUILDING!
Easily the most diabolical one.

>>64434037
Guessing the result is anyone in the building piling out looking like picrel?

>>64434121
More like this, desu

>>64434037
Thanks for reminding me that the rewatch is only a couple months away

>>64432318 (OP)
Canister shot is still a thing? I thought that that was what the coax MG was for
t. non-tankfag

>>64432364
>was probably never intended for
There's literal FMs and other such doctrine you can read, instead of just making it all up in your head, kid. Suck less.

>>64434207
Helos

>>64434207
The GWOT saw the standardization of the M1028 120mm canister round. Handy in urban areas.

>>64434207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgn1nhUEgo8
I remember watching a thing about this stuff saying it was made to "shoot down helicopters", but no helicopter is retarded enough to get that close to a tank without firing an ATGM.

>>64434207
https://www.gdots.com/munitions/large-caliber-ammunition/120mm-m1028/
More reading material. Even General Dynamics states it as being "anti-personnel" and for "assaulting infantry and RPG ambushes".

>>64434037
>>64434178
Animu?

>>64434355
boku no pico

>>64434178
>rewatch
on /a/? i need to watch this series again someday it was great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOuQRNNWE_I
>>64434355
Sora no Woto

>>64434178
>rewatch
on /a/? i need to watch this series again someday it was great
>>64434355
Sora no Woto

>>64434313
Have another cool gd munition
>https://www.gd-ots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/40mm-M1001-HVCC.pdf
Mk19 flechette rounds

>>64434422
Yeah /a/ has an annual rewatch stream/ party in early January. It's good fun

>>64434121
no, smoke is willy pete

>>64434130
>>64434573
Jesus christ

>>64434590
Modern handheld smoke grenades don't use it but the smoke launchers on a tank and smoke rounds from large guns tend to. Aside from being a sneaky way to keep WP in stock, they tend to create a much quicker and thicker burst of smoke as soon as they're deployed, which is what you typically want from an emergency smoke screen or long range fire of one.
Still gotta be careful with hand-thrown though, it's an exothermic reaction so those fuckers get hot.

>>64434621
UK tankers still keep 120mm WP shells in stock.

>>64434282
>Skeet shooting with a 120mm gun
Glorious.

>>64432318 (OP)
>Sir, we have a machine gun. In fact we have three. Also we have high explosive. Why are we bothering to carry cannister rounds instead of more useful shells.

>>64434740
if you know you're going to be engaging almost exclusively armor it's better to not have any HE in your vehicle at all in case you get penetrated
American HE is remarkably insensitive but it's better not to risk it, and canister is inert and also useful against infantry and light vehicles

>>64434740
Fortunately, you no longer have to choose. Now it's sabots that are useless and taking up space.

>>64434807
>His smile and optimism: Restored

>>64434037
Plenty of 75mm sherman do this to german tanks that they can't pen.

>>64434740
Why? Because i love the smell of red mist in the morning.

>>64434847
Maybe I'm a gigantic faggot, but I don't think I could ever look at a bottle of Pace again if I ever saw what happened after a M1028 was let loose on infantry.

>>64434740
Because 7.62, .50 and HE doesn't skip off the ground, walls and through most thin skin vehicles and still continue on down the street for another few hundred yards.

>>64434807
>Now it's sabots that are useless and taking up space.
Wouldn't hurt anything to keep two or three on hand and it's not like you're going to come up against an entire armor division alone so you don't need more than that.

>>64432318 (OP)
>yfw you're an Abrams gunner and you hear "GUNNER, WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, TROOPS, NONE OF THIS GETS ON THE REPORT"

>>64432412
Helicopters means switching to first echo, sabot round, keeping the heli steady in your sights, quick lazering with human validation, firing, and hopes and prayers.

>>64432318 (OP)
>fire canister shell
>looking in the view screen as the smoke clears

>>64435285
Pretty sure that's a death sentence too, since knocking an enemy helicopter out of the sky with a sabot round will probably cause the entire tank crew to drown in their own cum.

>>64434621
I seem to recall the Marines getting their peepees slapped during the battle of Fallujah for calling in smoke rounds from artillery directly onto buildings. When journalists ran stories saying they were smoking insurgents out with WP the Marines just said "it's for concealment :)"

>>64435115
It's not a warcrime if nobody's watching.

>>64434801
>it's better to not have any HE in your vehicle at all in case you get penetrated
>canister is inert
propellant, broheim. propellant.

>>64432318 (OP)
Was canister used in Iraq? I can't actually think of any widely spoken of instance of it being used. I know the Mexican army used 90mm cannister on some narcos in the 2000s and people got butthurt about it

>>64435523
Yeah you're absolutely not meant to do it, and I don't think a modern smoke shell would be designed to be as effective as a weapon, but you still couldn't pay me to be in the intended splash zone of your 'concealment' smoke fire mission.

>>64435927
yeah, that's what the blow-out panels are for
there's no explosives in the round, just propellant, which can only burn and not explode

>>64435985
>Mexican army used 90mm cannister on some narcos in the 2000s and people got butthurt about it
Holy shit they did?
That's amazing. They should do more of that.

>>64432318 (OP)
>yfw you're an Abrams gunner and you hear "GUNNER, CANISTER, TROOPS"

In basic back in 1990, after the Drill Sergeants finished up explaining the finer points of the proper construction and use of a fighting position and grenade sump, they asked if any of us had any questions.. I immediately raised my hand, DS Jackson had the "oh shit, him, this is gonna be good." And DS Bowers had the "oh no, what nightmare is Private Anon going to give me now?". DS Ammon had this "yep, as expected" look.. DS Bowers: "Yes Private?". I stand to attention, go into parade rest and ask: "If the enemy throws a white phosphorus device into the position, other than getting it back out of the position, is there anything I can do to make their attack more survivable?". All three of their faces turned pale, eyes wide. Quite a feat for DS Jackson as he's Black.. DS Bowers, his eyes locked on mine, saw I was honestly asking. He answers: "No Private, you already have the only solution, and the man attempting to throw it back out will likely not survive the incoming fire with the enemy that close. The sump and anything you have to put it under is useless against willy pete. The smoke will also overwhelm you and kill you. It's why doing that is a war crime, but yeah, it happens.".. Everyone in the room was dead silent. Later, a friend of mine mentioned it: "Damn Anon, what tortured fucking childhood did you have where you think about shit like that?". My childhood was different, even by X'r standards.

>>64436592
Everyone in the room probably thought that you were going to be the guy who ends up on the news as a fucking serial killer.

>>64432486
Fuse setting? I think you will like Killer Junior, if you haven't already heard of it

>>64435985
>I know the Mexican army used 90mm cannister on some narcos in the 2000s and people got butthurt about it
Pics/Story. Now.

>>64432318 (OP)
>MORE SKULLS FOR THE SKULL-THRONE

>>64432364
During the Korean war we had cases where Chinese infantry was able to rush US tanks with such numbers that we couldn't kill them all with MGs before they were climbing the hulls. We started using Cannister after that.

>>64437470
Why didn't they invent tread shot?

>>64432318 (OP)
>[Let the bodies hit the floor intensifies]

>>64432412
I miss BF3.
>>64433961
>>64433993
It means full cyclic and release the T&E stops.

>>64437365
still could be!

>>64432424
what worked then works now

>>64434313
>1,100, 128 grain, .375 caliber tungsten balls at 4,625 fps
That's 6,689,320 fpe.

>>64432318 (OP)
>"GUNNER, INCENDIARY, CLOWNS"

>>64432318 (OP)
>>64434313
https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/projectiles/120mm-m1028-canister
>1,100, 128 grain, .375 caliber tungsten balls at 4,625 fps
That's 6,689,320 fpe.

>>64432318 (OP)
>GUNNER, BATTLE SHELL, INFANTRY IN THE OPEN

>>64434361
>boku no pico

>>64435115
>>64435542
Remember anons: as with all other laws, you only violate the Hague and Geneva Conventions if you get caught.

>>64439193
>15
>Not Mk23 specified

>>64432424
doesn't hurt to have one as a treat

>>64434207
They also make one for the Carl-G

>>64439267
>>64432364
Two days later and my post is finally vindicated kek

>>64439601
No, you are still retarded.

>>64439695
>it's actually for shooting 500 chinamen lined up like bowling pins down an alley
>Not for shooting soldiers through cover and concealment!

>>64434621
Just regular smoke grenades are nasty to breathe in outdoors, indoors there's a real asphyxiation risk, as best you'll be choking on the floor still when the guys come to clear the room.

>>64432318 (OP)
There's worse commands you can hear as a tank crew.

>>64441030
I posted it a second time because tanks have two tracks.

>>64432318 (OP)
imagine being the gunner in an ontos
and having 6x105mm flechette beehive tubes ready
to clear the jungle 1/4 mile deep

imagine the nastyness
the pink mist
mixed with the shit spray from desintegrated guts

>>64441055
flechette beehive
sounds like a tasty cake

>>64441059
>effect on target?
>yes

>>64441036
>implying its not because you're being told to reverse over them to make sure

>>64439591
How long until we get canister shot AT4, or equivalent? There's already experiments mounting LAW72s on drones, but I'd imagine having some sort of one shot recoilless gun using canister shot would be useful in a lot of scenarios.

Sometimes when FPV drones get close to the ground and their targets, they lose connection and accuracy, they might also get shot down in the last 20-30 meters if the opposing side have some shotgun skills.

I guess grenade dropping drones still work, but they're not as accurate on moving targets or targets aware of being attacked.

It just seems like canister shot recoilless rifles could fit a niche on the drone battlefield. They would also be useful in counter drone operations.

>>64439323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZVjSwO_nkw&list=RDHZVjSwO_nkw&start_radio=1

>>64441492
Considering the AT-4 is just a disposable tube for Carl-G HEAT rounds, or at least started out as, it shouldn't be much of a problem, the question is it there is enough interest to get it into production.