Thread 64440554

In the ten years since the F35s introduction to the US navy, it has never been launched from an electromagnetic catapult at sea, something China has done this year with the J35 and its latest electromagneic fatapults on the Fujian carrier.

>>64440554 (OP)
implessive cope thread, this will heal the emotional wounds of chinese people for sure by pretending their inferior 4.5gen prototype is somehow relevant

>>64440554 (OP)
China's MVDC catapults are already proving to be superior to America's EMALS.
>>64440561
? Where's the cope?

>>64440554 (OP)
I've said this before and risk being banned for saying it again.

The only thing CCP/wumao shilling does is convince me to shoot every and all chinese (and indian) people on my soil the moment a war starts.

>>64440566
>The only thing CCP/wumao shilling does is convince me to shoot every and all chinese (and indian) people on my soil the moment a war starts.
Why do objective, technical facts drive you to commit murder?

>>64440567
I said its the shilling. And it isnt murder it's protection, in the scenario I described (actual war)

>>64440569
>I said its the shilling
How am i shilling? No one's paying me to post.

intentionally killing civilians is a warcrime.

>>64440571
chiksects aren't civilians and spreading obvious lies on repeat is shilling

I will never understand why does a mere mention of China always send Americans into a seething frenzy.

>>64440554 (OP)
>late hours hit
>bug eyed chinks start spamming implessive threads

praying to whatever god there is that India and China go to war and kill each other. 2 billion dead brownies and this world might be less shitstained.

>>64440578
everyone understands that even if you always make this post in your 10 daily spam threads nobody will take you seriously

>>64440576
Most Chinese are indeed civilians.
>obvious lies on repeat
Where are the lies? Try and refute anything I've said in the OP, you can't.
>>64440578
Neither will I, I came to the weapons board to discuss weapons, that alone is enough to drive American posters into a frenzy.

>>64440580
This is my first thread on /k/ in weeks, and my first post about catapults. You do know that spam has to be persistent to be considered spam, right?

>>64440583
why would baseless lies need refutation? chinks aren't civilians because being civlian requires being human. killing chinks is removing pests.

>>64440554 (OP)
>>64440564
so some pro china dude says their shit is better and in working order and we are to just see it at face value?

this is just another shill thread.

>>64440586
sure thing fag I'll see you posting the same garbage tomorrow.

>>64440587
>why would baseless lies need refutation?
How do you know if something is a baseless lie if you can't refute it?
>>64440588
>so some pro china dude
pic related

>>64440592
>sure thing fag
Did I post it yesterday, or the day before yesterday, or the day before the day before yesterday?

Just admit that you're wrong and I'm not spamming. Why are Americunts so egotistical?

>>64440593
how would you refute a baseless lie made with nothing to refute? you know that china would put subhuman retards like you into camps if they took over your shitstain country, right?

>>64440554 (OP)
The Chinese are all gay and unmanly.

>>64440597
>how would you refute a baseless lie made with nothing to refute
You try to refute the claims, retard. Which you can't. The American navy themselves have reported on the problems with EMALS.

I'll make this simple for you: The F35 has never been launched with EMALS at sea, not on land, in its 10 year service with the American navy.

Do you think that's a baseless lie? Then try to refute that claim, show me an EMALS launch of an F35 from sea. You fucking retarded Americunt.

>>64440601
>You try to refute the claims
which claims? those that are completely baseless and irrefutable?
>The F35 has never been launched with EMALS at sea, not on land, in its 10 year service with the American navy.
and F-18 has, what now, chink cocksucker?

>>64440605
>which claims? those that are completely baseless and irrefutable?
FYI: 'irrefutable' means impossible to deny, not impossible to prove.
>and F-18 has, what now, chink cocksucker?
Lost the argument and now you're trying to change the goalpost. How pathetic. I notice that you're unable to refute my claim about the F35, could it be because you realise I'm right and that that claim isn't at all baseless.

>>64440608
>FYI: 'irrefutable' means impossible to deny, not impossible to prove.
impossible to refute can mean impossible to prove, which it does here
>Lost the argument and now you're trying to change the goalpost.
the argument that china can't launch more advanced aircraft than US from a catapult?

>hurr durr you cant say violence is the answer
>this is my only thread in a month I swear
>hurr durr I'm an innocent little nobody
>I'm not up to no good and I'm not a shill
>pinky promise!
You'd never have the courage to declare your want for Chinese supremacy anywhere else but on this website and others among the veil of anonymity/masked behind an account.

That's why this is the job you're capable of.
Yelling into the abyss, and the abyss speaking back:
>I see you.

>>64440610
>impossible to refute can mean impossible to prove
ESL-kun...

>>64440615
you're literally a chink shilling whore

I see that the chink is now too scared to post the catapult webm after anon figured out the us one was a low energy test launch, which showcases the F-35 engine power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-juyXvIcE
Normal F-35 launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFGzgvgltMw
Chink emals is worst than us steam cat. Absolutely humiliating

>>64440586
So the chinkspammer has reposted it so many times that anons are now pointing out it's from a test launch, fully loaded at minimum catapult and engine power.
Is this what chink propaganda is comparing themselves to? An empty launch at full power and reheat vs the absolute worst case scenario launch?
>https://www.twz.com/33689/code-brown-as-this-f-35c-sinks-to-just-above-the-waves-after-taking-a-low-power-catapult-shot

>>64440628
>>64440630
That F-35 is still NOT using afterburner!
Impressive launch profile compared to the chinese EMALS, reheat J-35!

Many such cases of Chinese lies,
Sad!

>>64440630
>>64440628
Steam catapult, not EMALS. Show me confirmation from the US navy that it launched an F35 at sea using EMALS.

Implessive

>>64440643
Show me confirmation that chink navy launched a 5th gen from theirs then. You can't because chinkland can't make a 5th gen lmao.

>>64440578
You can thank Glavset for shitting up the internet with pro rus shilling which has made this board alergic to anything pro russian/chinese/(insert eastern regional power here).

>>64440649
>chink navy launched a 5th gen from theirs then
I never said anything about 5th gen, that's purely a marketing term. I said the Chinese navy launched J35s using electromagnetic catapults, which they did.

I could take 100 Teslas, 2 dozen assorted Jr College techie bros (CAD, CAM, auto shop) and $200K and two weeks and build a EMALS based on the car's tires spooling up a shaft which winds a cable and toss a full loaded F-18 to 200mph in 100yrds.

>>64440649
Notice how your definition kept on getting narrower and narrower as that was the only fastidious thing that chink propaganda could frame as a win?

>>64440652
>that's purely a marketing term
china can't make a plane that fits this marketing term so chink shills have to nitpick about what planes have and haven't launched from one specific catapult on /k/

>>64440661
Meant for this chinkspammer faggot >>64440649

>>64440661
Meant for
>>64440643

>>64440667
where in the OP did I ever mention 5th gen?

>>64440571
There are no Mainlander civilians.

>the F-35 has never been launched from an EM catapault
1. How do you know
2. Why is your position on life "if I haven't seen it it isn't real or possible"
I haven't seen 99.9999999% of what is possible in the universe and the universe still persists.

>>64440682
>How do you know
No reports at all from the US military, only reports about a test launch on land.
>Why is your position on life "if I haven't seen it it isn't real or possible"
Never said it was impossible, this thread isn't about how it's impossible, its about how the US military is lagging in its implemention of EMALS compared to China with its MVDC

>>64440564
>Using a source which is literally just a reskinned Global Times as mentioned on their about page
You'd be better off posting a zigger 'OSINT' account as a source you humongous faggot

>>64440702
>After its first training deployment in 2022, the USS Gerald R. Ford spent almost two months undergoing continuous maintenance to address issues that came up while at sea. Moreover, the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System didn’t work as intended and several naval aviators weren’t able to certify operations on the new flattop. Issues with the launching and recovering system persisted in 2023, with the Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test & Evaluation (DOT&E) reporting that the “reliability of CVN 78 catapults, arresting gear, and jet blast deflectors (JBDs) continues to have an adverse effect on sortie generation and flight operations efficiency.”


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navys-ford-class-aircraft-carrier-might-be-1-giant-headache-211053

>>64440690
>its about how the US military is lagging in its implemention of EMALS compared to China with its MVDC
how are they lagging behind when they've been launching F/A-18s from G.Ford for years now? why is china so lagging behind US? shouldn't they send some or wumaos like (you) to work on their carriers intead of shill farms?

>>64440709
it's unfortunate that chinese carriers have never seen more than 3-day deployment at sea so we have nothing from them to compare to US operations. if they did they'd totally show they're superior. surely.

>>64440709
Yes, and what's the issue? The launch success rate had to go from 99.58% to 99.84% compared to the 99.98% success rate of steam cats, but that's just because our standards are so high.
Come back after the chinkshit carrier has done 26k combat loaded launches and tell me their error rates.

Implessive.

>>64440729
China's MVDC has a failure rate 4 times smaller than EMALS.

>>64440554 (OP)
Impressive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

>>64440740
>
Also imagine believing any numbers coming out of china

>>64440757
>>64440747
I believe this is called "cope"

What's with the chink's obsession with twz. It's just yet another secondary military news site. But somehow the chink treats the opinion of tyler rogoway like a pentagon confession or some shit. I remember when the chink "6th gen" prototypes first appeared and the chink shills were quoting tyler twitter posts and claiming the us was scared shitless.

It's just bizzare

>>64440740
chinese penises are 4 times smaller than those of normal people, and that's a provable claim unlike shill posts like that

>>64440760
How is wanting proper proof for unsubstantiated and unscientific statistical claims cope?
>China's MVDC has a failure rate 4 times smaller than EMALS.
So China has done 2400 combat loaded launches in the time period of a combined 26 days of testing?
Or else your error rare is literally smaller than your sample size and it's just interpolated noise.

>>64440763
Tyler is the faggot who says we should be copying shahsneeds btw

>>64440768
you look up the article I've screenshoted here >>64440564 to find links to primary sources, but you'll never accept those sources because of this >>64440757 cope.

>>64440554 (OP)
>China's electromagnetic launch catapults have overtaken America's
says chang
stunning says chang
yawn

>>64440775
>Tries to bring up his sources but ignores fundamental statistics that are not up for debate
Do you even know what a confidence interval is?

>>64440757
>Also imagine believing any numbers coming out of china
This, it's run by the same people who putout numbers claimsing they were having record harvests due to Maos genius whiles they had a famine that at leasst 30 million of them starved to death in because maos genius had destoyed agriculural output. 'China claims' is like answering a call and hearing an Indian accent saying its 'microsoft tech support'. These are cultures (hinduism/confusianism where the very concept of truth or honestly does not exist at all truths a relative, uncertatin undefinable thing for them.. Whether Black=white or 2+2=5 is all situational for them, maybe, maybe not

One of the most hilarious characteristics of this era is that places like the IMF and a lot of 'jounalists' just accept econnomic statistics from the kremlin and peking without any questions or supporting data as if they had the same credibility as nations with free press and contested elections. It's a milennial thing.

>>64440794
It's absolutely ridiculous when even the most conservative estimates place China's military spending 40% higher than reported when we know it's more likely double. China couldn't provide accurate numbers even if they wanted to, that's how their system is set up.

>>64440775
>china says
lmao, if that's your primary source then it's worse than nothing

>>64440812
Given that China isn't going to allow foreigners to assess the military capabilities of some of their most advanced systems, China is the only primary source in this case.

>>64440578
They feel the Century of American Humiliation coming, and know there's no way to arrest the decline. In fact the actions they've taken are simply accelerating it

>>64440768
>SUBSTANTIATE YIUR CLASSIFIED MILITARY TECHNOLOGY
Even War Thunder's forum wouldn't be so brazen as to allow this kind of garbage from a user. And they're chock full of your type of russ mil internet operatives trying to squeeze out intel.

Has anyone here actually tried piss eggs?

>>64440818
and the source is worth less than dog shit. what now, thirdie?

>>64440801
China can't provide reliable statics on anything because its a one party tyranny. There is no press, no freedom of expression and no contested elections, there is no opposition party scutinising govermental scandals or press to print them, in such a system corruption, nepotism, clientism and incompetence thrive. Why send the truth from your region up the CCP chain when it make syou look bad, why not just lie? 'Harvests exceeded quotas'. Most people don't even realise China is still run on '5 year plans' that are of couse always 'quotas exceeded' Everythuing is always a great sucess in China even if it is a total failure. They pay youtibers to visit and tell people it is all low crime and clean and 'better than the evil decadent west' but IT IS NOT and the entire visit has to be faked up for viewers to see the 'right version' of china. China is fucking horrible and its gotten really really shitty there since covid. Its a great thing that the EU and USA decoupled from chinese manufacturing and production chain elements because like Chinas rise as a 'US prefered trading partner' , Chinas collapse is a slow multidecade event. Anyone who believes claims of weapons superiority or myserious technical advance from the chinese military is fucking retarded as is anyone who believes Chinse economic data. Muh quantum radar anyone? Muh GDP growth during an epic property crash?

>>64440821
this would imply chinese century of humiliation has ended 2 centuries in and won't continue for as long as china exists(50 years)

Please just bust the dams already Trump. It would make all of this stop.
Imagine waking up, getting your morning coffee, and as you sit down to read the news feed
>Breaking!
>700 million Chinese drowned due to dam system failure!
>Xi Jinping hanged

>>64440818
>>64440823
I can show you PDFs of every single CVN's launch rates and failure rates. You're being obtuse on purpose by comparing transparent information that's been regularly published since the 70s to information that China won't give up for some reason.

>>64440833
>hanged
eaten*

>>64440832
>Pelosi
Reminds me of the time that the newest Chinese warships (Type 55s) and electronic warfare planes (J-16s) were stopped from tracking a 737 with the RCS the size of a football field because of a single Growler.

>>64440834
All I know is the chinese EM-o-pault launch on 50k lb thrust afterburner on a 45k pound plane had the same launch as an American Steam-o-pault on a 28k pound thrust no afterburner 37k pound plane.

That's all I know.
A 0.8 T:W launch did the same as a 1.1T:W launch.
That's the reality.

>>64440832
>Casually erases your industrial and technological dominance
Nuthin' pelsonerre kid

>>64440854
Stealing everyone's ideas and replicating them poorly 5-7 years later is not dominance, it's weakness.

>>64440854
>casually erases your usable ground water and clean air for minute monetary gain and russia-tier third world technology
fixed that for you

>>64440848
CYNA NUMAH WAN> NO COW TOW CHINA NUMBAH WAN. SEE NUMBER? NUMB ER BIG? HO SAY I LYAH?

Ping Pong
China Chong
Xi do pee too
Ling Long
Deng did poop to
Ting Tong
Nothing Wong
No ploperty clash
Quantum Air craft clarrier!
CCP say!
Why you call CCP liar!

>>64440858
>>64440861
It's not the 90s anymore. China leads the way in several technological and the particulate matter in the air has reduced by 65-80%.
I'm mostly trolling you fags by the way, but I wish Americans would realise that China is a serious threat to you and stop casually dismissing them while electing freaks and weirdos who actively harm your country and accelerate your decline. At the moment that decline can still be arrested.
We love you guys, stop being weird and come back to Western civilisation.
t. Euro

>>64440833
most empathetic Americunt

>>64440854
Burned through Hong Kongs former economic prospertity rather quickly china and ruined the place. what now china? what epic fail have you instore for the world next? Clown car nation that's 'claiming' 4.8 GDP growth while the property and construction sector that was 30% of its domestic GDP has falled apart.

Nation of liars run by liars
Believed by fools.

>>64440875
>It's not the 90s anymore. China leads the way in several technological and the particulate matter in the air has reduced by 65-80%.
it's worse than the 90s, the unemployment is record high and the air is worse than ever before. some plastic mockups are all we have
t. Chinaman

>>64440875
*technological areas

>>64440877
>empathy
>with chinks

>>64440554 (OP)
Implessive

>>64440740
>China's MVDC has a failure rate 4 times smaller than EMALS.
what does 4 times smaller translate to in english? 25%? 20%?

>>64440908
25%. 20% is 1 fifth of 100, come on anon

>>64440554 (OP)
You realise that the Ford's catapults already work right?

>>64440914
they're failure rate is 10 times bigger than expected, 1 out of 400 failures instead of 1 out of 4,000. And they're also difficult to maintain.

>>64440917
Got a source other than your anus for this?

>chinky resorts to spamming asinine posts to bump his shill thread
Grim

>>64440908
How can anyone know if China and America can't make their technical and operational detail public knowledge?

For all we know an American flywheel literally explodes every 1 out of 100 launches, for all we know the Chinese standard is 40% of the capacitors have burned out but the design is parallel so it still works at 60% capacity and that's acceptable.
For all we know the American standard might be
>this coupling or this bearing or this guiderail exceeds an engineering safety margin, that counts as a total system failure
For all we know the Chinese standard is
>it's designed to degrade, we don't count it as a failure until it can't launch a plane at all

Who the fuck knows.

>>64440923
>spamming asinine posts
I'm discussing with anons, isn't this board supposed to be for discussing weapons?

>>64440912
people mess the inverse up all the time, you see people saying 'three times as much' and they usually mean 300% but occasionally mean 400%. I don't know the usage of 'four times as small', it could be logarithmic or something

>>64440928
This.
/biz/ has taught me surprisingly few people know how percentages scale.

>>64440926
>and America
why are you lying about things that have already been disproven itt chink?

>>64440652
>I never said anything about 5th gen
Then why are you focusing only on EMALS launch of the F-35? If you're not mentioning specifically 5th gens being launched by EMALS, then, surely, you will take the evidence of the F/A-18, and E-2 being launched from the USS Gerald R. Ford and be happy, no? Or are you lying in bad faith and being disingenuous now because you know the J-35 isn't actually a 5th gen aircraft? Can you show me video of China's Type 03 carrier launching and recovering combat loaded aircraft during storms and above sea state 1? Because all I've seen was a close up of a clean, min fueled J-35 launched during a perfect sunny weather in sea state 1 conditions where the carrier didn't even roll around. Hell, I doubt the Type 03 carrier was more than 15km away from its home port when it did those launches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ETjguV7Xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-N8TIP82og

>>64440643
Show me confirmation that the Type 03 launched a J-35 at sea using EMALS. And no, pulling 5 minutes away from your home port doesn't count as at sea.

>>64440668
>where in the OP did I ever mention 5th gen?
By only focusing on the F-35 being EMALS launched. The F-35 is a 5th gen, thus, you're talking specifically about 5th gens.

>>64440954
>>64440959
Adverse weather ops are my favorite genre of Naval Aviation

>>64440709
>in 2022
What year is it now? Unlike China, the US will actually publicize the problems with their equipment, and not just hide it and claim everything went perfect 100% of the time. Which, anyone that has ever built anything new, or hell, even worked around machines knows never happens and there's always teething problems, and minor breakdowns.

>>64440875
>China leads the way in several technological
Proof? What areas?

>>64440879
Notice the shills avoid talking about how the greatest port in the world is now the shittiest neighborhood in shenzhen. Also idk why the chinsects are chittering their mandibles over a fake EMALS when they cant actually make jet engines

>>64440971
PART II

>>64440959
>using EMALS.
Why would China use an inferior American launch system instead of their own MVDC?

>>64440927
>Why is Xi firing all the top brass of the PLARF, including Li Yuchao and Xu Zhongbo – the commander and political commissar of the PLARF; former PLARF commander Zhou Yaning, head of the PLARF armaments department Lu Hong; former PLARF deputy Li Chuanguang; and Gen. Ding Laihang, the former Commander of the PLA Air Force until September 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN15MIJtiKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv6PuXo6Mzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9yMT80duc

>Why did the Defense Minister disapear? (Li Shangfu and his predecessor Wei Fenghe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbg11ActFBY
>Then, the Defense Minister that replaced him, Dong Jun, gets fired for corruption
https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-defense-minister-for-corruption-report/a-70895090
https://archive.is/4sZCd
That's three Defense Ministers in a row that were fired for corruption, and you think the Chinese military is anything but a corrupt forth-rate shit show? TOPKEK.

1/?

>>64440979
i'm sure everyone would accept even the inferior chinese muttcope name for their EMALS, if only you actually post it.

>>64440980
More:
Admiral Miao Hua, director of the Political Work Department of China's Central Military Commission (CMC) was recently fired and put under investigation for corruption.
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/xb/News_213114/TopStories/16354913.html

>China’s state-owned defence firms pledge to tackle corruption

>Chinese state-owned defence companies have promised to step up efforts to tackle corruption after former defence minister Li Shangfu was accused of “polluting the equipment sector”.
>Nine firms operating in sectors that include nuclear, aerospace and shipbuilding promised to tighten their rules on bidding and procurement as well as looking at areas such as hiring and quality control following a series of inspections by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI)
>and quality control following a series of inspections by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI)
>It pledged to strengthen the oversight of its “top leaders” and “standardise the management of bidding and procurement”, adding that it was also carrying out an investigation into improper employment practices – a problem highlighted in a series of inspections carried out by the CCDI last year.
>The company said other problems relating to quality control had been uncovered and promised to improve product design to “ensure the stable operation of satellites in orbit” and strengthen employees’ awareness of safety and confidentiality
>improve product design to “ensure the stable operation of satellites in orbit”
>problems relating to quality control had been uncovered
>strengthen employees’ awareness of safety and confidentiality
>Another company, the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, which is the country’s largest maker of missiles, vowed to improve secrecy and address irregular procurement.
>vowed to improve secrecy

2/3

>>64440984
>China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, a main contractor for the country’s space programme said 36 employees had been the subject of Communist Party disciplinary action and seven had been handed over to the judicial authorities.
https://archive.is/V88Hc#selection-1471.1-1471.295

So, what I take from this is China's nuclear, aerospace, and ship building SOEs have problems with quality control, corrupt procurement (bribing, kick-backs, etc.), and problems with security leaks - most likely leaking plans to US and allies. KEK. And chinsects think they can actually BTFO the US and people should be afraid of their low quality, overpriced POSs that the employees leak all the information about to US and its allies?
lol
lmao even

3/3

>>64440993
>Chinese aircraft maker AVIC removes website profiles of top executives

>General manager Hao Zhaoping and Yang Wei, chief designer of the J-20 stealth fighter, have not been seen in public for months
>Neither Hao Zhaoping, general manager of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, or Yang Wei, a deputy general manager at AVIC and lead engineer on the J-20, have been seen in public for months.
>Yang’s profile on the website of national research institute the Chinese Academy of Sciences – where he is a member of the science and technology division – has also disappeared.
https://archive.is/IUWDS

>China places former chairman of top aircraft maker AVIC under investigation for corruption

>Tan Ruisong, chairman of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) from 2018 to 2023, is suspected to have committed “severe violations” of the law and Communist Party discipline.
>Tan, a native of Hunan province, is a technocrat trained in aviation engine design, manufacturing and engineering.
>Tan, 62, was removed from his post at state-owned giant AVIC in March 2023 for "age reasons", according to the party’s personnel management arm.
https://archive.is/Dxh2m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMTuUv7nvYA

>>64440979
Fine, show me confirmation that the Type 03 launched a J-35 at sea using their nigger rigged glorified Maglev train technology (MVDC). And no, pulling 5 minutes away from your home port doesn't count as at sea.

>>64440561
>by pretending their inferior 4.5gen prototype is somehow relevant
It is absolutely fucking relevant. E-3 sentry categorically cannot detect Chinese LO planes at sufficient range... and we have nothing better. What this means is that we cannot rely on early detection, which is literally the crux of our entire kill chain. Our entire 5th gen doctrine of stealth and networked sensors is completely dependent upon holding ISR supremacy so we can shoot first before they know we're there.

It's relevant because they have hundreds of these LO air superiority fighters that can actually get the drop on us and do damage. The worst part is that we're still fighting about whether we want satellites or E-7 or strong language and hopes and dreams. We have no plan about how we're going to rectify the vulnerability we're in RIGHT NOW. And instead of talking about it, we're picking fights with drug boats and Venezuela. Hegseth even tried to fucking CANCEL procurement of a token contingent of E-7s. We are entering a path-dependent crux point in terms of geopolitical tensions right now, at this point where we are vulnerable, and no one is doing a fucking thing about it.

This isn't cope, you moron. Wake the fuck up.

>>64441003
>E-3 sentry categorically cannot detect Chinese LO planes at sufficient range
Proof?

>>64440998
>pulling 5 minutes away from your home port doesn't count as at sea.
Why not?

>>64441007
It can't see it from the other side of the planet so round-eye BTFO.

>>64441003
>Chinese LO planes
can't detect what doesn't exist HAHAHAHA

>>64441003
>they have hundreds of these LO air superiority fighters that can actually get the drop on us and do damage
okay? And we've produced 1250 F-35s while they can't even get a J-35 squadron flying. Did you also forget about the 85 USN E-2Ds and E-7s that can be called from NATO?
>not understanding Venezuela
It's called dealing with a problem before it gets inconvenient to handle. Venezuela's government is illegitimate and wants to be a proxy state for chink and zigger dick.

>>64441008
Because being in perfectly calm seas basically in port isn't carrier ops, and proves nothing. Why would you waste billions in USD to develop a carrier and carrier capable fighter just to launch it 15km from your coast? That's going to be your next cope, "well, chiner plans on using it just like that!" No they're not, and they would just build an air base on the beach or launch from their islands if they wanted to do that.

>>64441008
Are you being retarded on purpose

>>64441020
I'm not being retarded at all.
>>64441017
>Why would you waste billions in USD to develop a carrier and carrier capable fighter just to launch it 15km from your coast?
I don't know, I don't dictate Chinese military policy.

>>64441024
so you're just pretending to be retarded instead? just so you know it's exactly the same thing.

>>64441024
Okay, so you're just retarded. Fair enough. The anon above me already answered your question.

>>64441024
Typical weasel behavior.

>>64441003
>In September, SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket delivered on orbit 21 T1 data transport built by York Space Systems that will provide low-latency communication links to support the warfighter with a resilient network of integrated capabilities, including tracking of advanced missile threats, enabled by beyond-line-of-sight tactical data links from low-Earth orbit (LEO). Beginning in 2027, T1 will provide initial warfighting capability through the PWSA to deliver regional persistence for tactical military data channels like Link16, along with advanced missile tracking and missile warning, and beyond-line-of-sight targeting plus demonstration of UHF and S-band tactical satellite communications" - Space Development Agency
>2 E-7 units are currently in retrofitting in the UK to USAF spec and then full production will start in Kansas after their 2027 delivery. The E-7, with its advanced radar and communications systems, can detect and track aircraft and missiles from more than 300 miles away and serves as a flying command center for directing air operations, according to Boeing and the British defense ministry.
Update your script you doomer

>>64441035
Wrong.
>>64441027
>>64441026
wrong. 5min at sea is still at sea. Operating catapults doesn't become difficult the fur5er out you are at sea.

>>64441049
>5min at sea is still at sea.
i'm a sea going captain now
>Operating catapults doesn't become difficult the fur5er out you are at sea.
lmao, this is some high grade chinkopium.

>>64441049
You are so genuinely retarded it hurts
>A blue-water navy is a maritime force capable of operating globally, essentially across the deep waters of open oceans.[1] While definitions of what actually constitutes such a force vary, there is a requirement for the ability to exercise sea control at long range.

>The term "blue-water navy" is a maritime geographical term in contrast with "brown-water navy" (littoral waters and near to shore) and "green-water navy" (near to shore and open oceans).

>Operating catapults doesn't become difficult the fur5er out you are at sea.
Yes it fucking does, look at how the deck tilts and weather changes: >>64440964
>>64440959
>>64440954
And tell me it's the same.
All China did was do brown-water navy operations on a calm sunny day, real implessive.

>>64441060
>>64441062
the catapult still worked. cope and seethe

>>64440875
I miss regan and am actually a Euro. China is food insecure half of it is desert. The EU and US produce the vast majority of the worlds exportable food as well as virtually all technological advance, the US and EU have also never been more powerful.

We should both be laughing at this BRICs ' we lik u now rilly' crap. Multipolar my ass. US-US polar and everything else is a smelly tyranical lying dump

>>64441064
>changing the topic from what constitutes as being at sea to if a catapult works or not
kys

No we lik u now rilly have blig bloat with flighter plane lik you

such shit what you acyually have is a fucking communist party, what an inane joke Chinna really is.

>>64441069
>changing the topic from what constitutes as being at sea
That was never the topic, retard. You brought up that cope to justify why America still hasn't launched an f35 using EMALS at sea while China has launched J35s using MVCD at sea

>>64441064
Chinese military propaganfa is primarily fordomestic consumption up to 2022 Russia was actually supposed to be stronger militarily than China and more experienced.

big yeah to chinese claims of quantum flighter jet. They were buying Russian made engines (and aicraft carriers) up until very recently. The PLA servers teh CCP against the chinese people. It would be a mix of saddam and Putin at war, a fucking disaster. The Chinse for whatever reason are shit at war, alwasys were, always will be, probably actually speaks infavorably of them really. Just little bugmen who want a bowl of rice and not to get eaten by their fellow bugmen for not conforming. I think tall teh BRICs and african shit is really just code for 'please please recolonise us for fuck sake...help bring back rule of law and hope, look we are trying to larp as you...look...pls help'

>>64441064
why can't chincatapult work at sea? will it fail at more than 2 degree inclination? no deflecting to F-35 will help you chinksect.

>>64441064
>the catapult still worked
Neat, it is able to launch an empty J-35 carrying no munitions, on a perfect sunny day in calm seas in port, once. That's not going to help in an actual war, nor does it prove anything capability wise. It's purely for CHINER STRONK! face values internal propaganda to make chinsects that are making $140 per month working 60 hours 6 day a week think theor shit.life and sacrifices are actually doing anything but enriching the CPC Politburo, and to trick gullible low IQ foreigners like you that chiner is, indeed, STRONK!

>>64441083
>at sea
Nta, but in sight of land and in the sheltered waters of your bay do not count as "at sea" in my book. Or anyone's, provided they have the faintest of kennings about the sea

>>64441083
why hasn't china launched failed piss-shit j35 at sea like America has been doing for years with F/A-18? answer the question, chink scum.

>>64441088
They weren't called the "sick man of East Asain" for nothing, anon.

>>64441083
Do retards like you seriously believe China is le military powah? For fuck sake. We went through all this with Putins Russia already. Stop believing claims from places that have no contested elections, no free press and no freedom of speech. The EU could occupy China in a year if it bothered to. The US even faster. Go look up eg how many modern combat aircraft there are in the US and EU. Chinas nominal GDP is barely teh same as teh EUs and there are over a billion people in China and only 450 million in the EU. Why is this? Think hard and you will find the truth

>>64441107
>more copes
lol

>>64441107
thirdies need someone to shill for against the west, no matter who. china fits the bill becaise they never do anything and just spam shiny propaganda every now and then that gets picked up by shitty tabloids they can dance around.

>>64441109
>More projections

>>64441003
>we
Lmfao

>>64441113
America isn't the West, America is a Jewish-run third-world, shithole

>>64441120
>>>/pol/

>>64441120
case in point, lmao

>>64441122
>>64441124
>>64441128

>>64441109
Coping about what exactly you retarded insect, what do you want me sitting in Europe to feel China is mightty of something? For fuck sake get a grip on yoruselves or you will never amount to anything, Start by getting rid of the communist party, it makes you look like a nation of completete spastics incapable of anything, until then you are a clown nation of slaves, end of discussion. Europe has been there with nutjob brlligerent authortarian single party states.....a century ago. Why do you have pictures in your government of Karl Marx a ninteenth century prussian bum who was wrong about literally everything. Do you worship Europeans as Gods or something? Grow the fuck up as a nation if you want to be taken seriously at all. Right now you are a place that makes plastic ornaments and crap dildos and supplies immigrant women to stroke geriatric cock in massage parlours. Mighty my ass. What the fuck was that cultural revolution garbage and creating north korea with stalin? You should be ashamed of yoruselves having the same inept thugs still running you. Shameful display, every improvement in China since the 90s is down to Bill Clinton giving you a trading status with the Americans. That's all. Trying to drag you out of barbarity into civlisation and yet there you are, still mired in shit shiffing your own propaganda farts. The Americans would tear ytou a new anus in war, they fucking LOVE war and are literally obbsessed with weapons (that actually all work). Fuck with that at your own peril you confused slave.

>>64441134
>Clarkson being British
Your point?

>>64441141
he's got the right idea when it comes to JewSA

>>64441141
nta his point was you certainly are brown and multipolared farting anus.

Anyone who has seen Chinese agricultural machinery knows China is full of shit.
The end.

>>64440578
Propaganda. Same with Ukraine-Russia (mods/jannies are bought into propaganda one way). Same with 3T (Tibet, Tianamen, Taiwan) and China. Same with covid.

These are trillion dollar propaganda machines pushing propaganda into people's minds and making them react like NPCs with full scripted events.

>>64441120
how quickly the mask slips once you call them out

>>64441161
it's like the fifth time you replied to your own post. aren't you tired of it, chang?

The CCP has murderede tens of millions of Chinese and destroyed Chinas cultural heritage in the 'cultural revolution'. The Americans liberated you from Japanese occupation

You hate the AMERICANS?

You hang up pictures of a a European Karl Marx who Euriopeans think was a retarded douche and worship them while you try and say Europeans are 'le evil'

REALLY?


Spastics

"Look we have big bloat like big American bloat we real now'

Clowns.

Who don;t you show the world you are great with something nlike antibiotics, powered flight, electrification, nuclear power, digital computing, cinema, tv, the the phone etc etc etc brown and asian people? Go on. The world is waiting

'No we have blig bloat like the American now..we reeeeal we have gommunism like 19th century smelly prussian bum we clivilised '

Pathetic.

BRICS
Belligerent Ridiculous Impoverished Shitholes

>>64441192
>BRICS
>Belligerent Ridiculous Impoverished Corrupt Shitholes

"luk we have big bloat like the American we reeeeal now"
yeah

>>64441148
You realized the Brits created modern Israel right?

>>64441218
America was threatning to nuke our economy if we stopped Jews from coming to Palestine, and if we properly crushed Jewish terrorist groups murdering Brits and Arabs in Palestine.

>>64441228
>we
lol

>>64441228
yes we know yiou are brown and it is ALWAYS someone selses fault if you are brown, your own dicators somebody elses fault, your own inane corrupt goverments somebody elses fault, your failure to conntribute any innovation or advance in the last several hundred years, somebody elses fault. The British liberated you from being Turkish rentbodys and teh French and British walked away and left you nations with some railroads and hospitals and functioning mines and farms and you fucked it up. Somebody elses fault. Fuck off.

>>64441241
Not sure what your post has to do with mine.

>>64440554 (OP)
Vely impleassive. Vely ching khu lung

>>64441243
Must be somebody elses fault again eh?

>>64441237
I guess chink shill is low iq enough to spam the same shit
>>64440628

>>64441246
I'm not responsible for whether you click the correct posts to reply to or not. Read 4chan's FAQ if you're still having trouble with properly posting.

>>64441237
>still posting this after it got exposed as lying propadanda
Your mother really is a bitch dog huh

>>64441237
Dumb chink
>>64440630

It's interesting how this line in being repeated I the CSIS YouTube comment section nearly verbatim as well as across xitter. Very organic. I'm sure it's a coincidence that Xi just purged the military again.

>>64441155
>Chinese agricultural machinery

>>64441161
>trillion dollar propaganda machines pushing propaganda into people's minds
You mean just like the CCP does?

>Chinese Shills:
>How the Chinese Government Fabricates SocialMedia Posts for Strategic Distraction, not EngagedArgument
https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c.pdf?m=1463683069

>Blogger “Xiaolan” has leaked an archive of the email communications of the Internet Information Office of Zhanggong District, Ganzhou City, Jiangxi from 2013 and 2014. The archive includes correspondence, photos, directories of “Internet commentators” (网评员), summaries of commentary work, and records of the online activities of specific individuals, among other documents. Over 2,700 emails are included in the archive, many of which include attachments of Microsoft Word documents.
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2014/12/thousands-local-internet-propaganda-emails-leaked/

>Internet Water Army 网络水军

On the Internet in China, an Internet Water Army is a group of Internet ghostwriters paid to post online comments with particular content. Internet water armies were born in the early 2010s.
The private Internet Water Army operations parallel the official 50 Cent Party propagandist Internet commentators hired by the government of the People's Republic of China or the Communist Party of China.

>Battling the Internet Water Army: Detection of Hidden Paid Posters
PDF: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.4297v1.pdf

>>64440881
I believe >>64440875 is some irish gommie, only them are willing to shill for China just to spite US/NATO.

>>64441228
You mean Irgun that Russia created, funded, trained, and supplied that later morphed into the Likud party? Just like Russia saved Israel in 1947 with weapons, training, and funding. Just like Russia championed the creation of Israel. Just like the majority of Israeli PMs being of Russian/USSR decent. Like that? The US barely had any involvement with Israel until the 1960s. Stop trying to scape goat the US for shit Russia created and did, Igor.


>Irgun terrorist group behind the King David Hotel bombing. Irgun later became the Likud Party
>"A dispatch from April 1948 lists some of the reports the British had collated over the previous six months: Lehi (or the Stern Gang) using Russian weapons in August 1947; Russian aid sent to the Irgun the same month; Polish support for the terrorists two months later; and contacts between Lehi and the USSR or Soviet agents in October 1947 and April 1948."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-russian-mole-and-the-fight-for-the-promised-land


>KGB Defector admits they created Israel and the Likud Party
>"I was ordered to send agents to Palestine through Romania in 1946. They were to set up an illegal network that might participate in combat and sabotage operations against the British."

>>64441302
Yes. China has propaganda machines both internally and externally. So does Russia. Their bot farms get exposed quite so often. So dues Europe and so does America.

The old jokes goes like this.

>A Russian is on an airplane flying to the U.S. An American sitting beside him asks, “What brings you to the U.S.?” The Russian replies, “I’m studying the American approach to propaganda.” The American responds, “What propaganda?” The Russian says, “That’s what I mean.”

The question is how much of the population in each respective country knows about the domestic propaganda from their country and propaganda from foreign countries. But really, since this is an American site, we dont have chinese here nor are the Chinese relevant here. And we cant ask them directly. The question then is, can we ask ourselves, how much domestic propaganda targets America? Or more so, how much of your "truth" and beliefs are domestic propaganda? Do you truly know what you're saying or are you a NPC, just like the Chinese and the Russian bots.

Or are you 100% certain that there are no domestic propaganda and that all thoughts you have are original and there are no spooks living controlling your mind?