Thread 64441250

Which is the best shotgun for home defense?

Any that's not from Turkey, one that you can afford, and one that you train with.

>>64441250 (OP)
first completely AI movie when?

>>64441250 (OP)
what kind of shithole do you live in, that you need a shotgun for self defense?

>>64441269
I doubt he lives in a shithole. I think he's naive and believes the lies that media has fed him since childhood about shotguns.

>>64441277
>naive and believes the lies that media has fed him since childhood about shotguns.
That they’re cool and badass?

>>64441298
>That they’re cool and badass?
If that were really the case you wouldn't need "home defense" as an excuse to buy one.

Stop rationalizing and just buy what you think is cool.

>>64441250 (OP)
Kel Tec KSG.

Really anything but a semi auto, turkshit, or Mossberg, all are unreliable. Yes Mossbergs are less reliable than a Kel Tec which is what I recommend because it's shorter and easier to maneuver and higher capacity.

>>64441300
>Stop rationalizing and just buy what you think is cool.
I'm all for that, but it's not like a shotgun can't fulfill the home defense role just fine while still being fun for all sorts of other things. If you're a poorfag (which is usually why someone wants a shotgun for HD, let's be real) who wants the most gun for the least money you can do way worse than a 12 gauge.

>>64441250 (OP)
hearty kek. saved

>>64441269
>what kind of shithole do you live in, that you need a shotgun for self defense?
Didn't you see the video?

>>64441250 (OP)
I was expecting her to shoot the cat afterwards

>>64441250 (OP)
is this real? grok?

>>64441250 (OP)
Berretta 1301 or Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol

Both are semi-auto shotguns. 1301 is more expensive by a good $700. A300 will set you back ~$1K, too; shoots a bit rougher from what I understand, but I own neither (I'm looking into buying one, cuz I want a 12ga).

Prefer something like this so I don't fuck up and short stroke a pump action that a pump shotgun would require.

>>64441250 (OP)
if AIs continue to be this funny, it's over of comedians and hollywood

>>64441359
>Mossbergs are less reliable than a Kel Tec
Back in my day trolling was a art.

>>64442269
A mosshit has broken on me, a kel tec has not. You're not even gonna put it through a single class so stfu. It will do fine for your 2 lifetime range trips and 1/7,500 chance of home invasion (per chatgpt).

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

You are never going to Jail or probably having a prosecutor try to start a case against you. It's the best bet. If you don't get it done in 2 then go grab your AR15.

>>64441277
shotguns are not bad for home defense. they create a shit ton of wound tracks in someone's body with one trigger pull. 9 pellets of 00 buck, 15 pellets of #1 buck, or 27 pellets of #4 buck is going to seriously fuck someone up, likely even more than a rifle round. they will spread out inside the body and wreak all sorts of havoc

>>64441250 (OP)
wtf is this real

>>64441250 (OP)
Shotguns are fine for home defense. They are close combat tools. 00 buck rips chunks of a human. 1oz slugs leave a big fucking hole.
That said, shotguns jam. Insert random arguments and claims to the contrary. They fucking do. Ive seen it hunting. Ive seen it in autos. Ive seen it in all shotguns. A pump action with dual rails well built is the best option for a shotgun. You can force it. Yes you see spec ops and po po swat teams with autos. But they aren't fucking great. And its a breaching/task position specific tool. They have a literal team with them, a pistol and other things at there disposal.
You will butt fucking naked in the dark, alone, tired, confused, listening to a nagging bitch behind you stumble fucking your way to the noises in the kitchen. Shit happens. A dual rail pump makes sure you aren't adding more.

>mosshit le broke
>kel-tec gud
>unnecessarily heavy, expensive, and complicated shotgun gud
>you'll only shoot le shotty twice you life

>>64443029
And you plan on running your lel kek in a class?

>>64443426
You've never taken a building clearing course if you think a long ass grandpa stock shotgun is good for indoors. I'll take the bullpup. The M&P12 is a much better version of the KSG, but it's ugly and expensive.

>>64443454
A few people did including a fat Mexican lady. They did ok, she kept short stroking it though. The KS7 is reportedly less hard to rack because it doesn't have 2 tubes.

Turkshit broke, no surprise. The Tavor12 was the worst, and a few Mossbergs broke. All were because the pump is loose and moves the pump bars which meet with the shell stop bars and bend them. Depending on which way they bend, your shells will all fall out or not feed at all, resulting in a single shot shotgun you have to feed every shot into the chamber to shoot, and a very difficult to actuate pump until you uncross those pump bars which will be grinding against the shell stop bars. This happened to a few people because you're racking quickly trying to get through courses of fire or close call building clearing scenarios. When you rack it under stress you end up bending bars due to the loose pumps Mossbergs are notorious for. Remington fixed this issue by making the shell stop bars more robust. I already did a more detailed write-up on this.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61463460/#61466051

If this happens you can never bend those bars to be true again, they have to be at a very precise curvature. Not even sure how they achieve this at the factory, it has to be precise down to a millimeter to function without grinding or feeding issues once it's been bent. Or just don't get a shotgun with such a shit design.

>>64441269
we all live in shitholes, anon

>>64443650
Clearing and defending are two entirely different worlds anon. What you learn in MOUT or CQC military or police geared training is not the same as home defense.
Defense is geared around training you hopefully have specific to reacting to none entry points and specific areas of high importance. While there is certainly a crossover in skills, its not remotely the same. Home defense is in a broad sense closer to gorilla warfare while MOUT/cqc training is more "traditional" if you will.
A long shotgun is much less of a hindrance than you seem to suggest in your post, as it pertains to HD.

>>64441359
I dunno. My semi auto florida saiga has never had a problem other than the stock mags being shit.

>>64443768
Then get a fuckin 6 foot long musket. You won't, you'll get as short a barrel shotgun or rifle as possible. I'll just get an even shorter one that doesn't compromise performance and has exceptional maneuverability. A bullpup.

>>64443782
You have to argue for your point if you think you have one anon. You are not stacked four deep clearing rooms and hallways in home defense. While there are situations where you will be moving its not the same. More often than not you are an ambush predator watching an entry way. Its just not the same. Home defense can be very easily done with a hunting rifle, full size shotgun ect. I would venture a guess that an under over or side by side 12 gauge would be more than enough for most home defense situations. The vast majority of break ins or home invasions are for money. Cash. Valuables. People do not tend to hang around when the first guy through the door gets his cantaloupe cratered by 00 buck from a naked guy cowering behind a fart stained couch with the sounds of some nag in the background yelling to turn out the fucking light.

>>64443782
Ur a Floridian, I can tell.

>>64441250 (OP)
The level of detail in this is unsettling.

>>64443650
Thanks for the actual information. Not sure it'll ever actually be an issue with my mossberg, but now I know to look out for it.

>>64441269
0/8
t. Joe Biden

>>64441359
>Shitting on Mossberg
You bought a Rustington and are still seething?

>>64443650
>you can never bend those bars to be true again
I laugh at you from my place of employment.
>Remington fixed this
>>64443880
Called it

>>64443887
I don't own a Remington, I'm just pointing out they have a better design than mossbreak since people always compare the two.

Once I sell this broken POS I'm getting a KSG because it's neat and a Benelli m3 for general purpose shotgun shit.

>>64443650
Of all the things that never happened this was one of them

>>64441359
>Mossberg
>unreliable
Rustington owner or noguns, call it

>>64441359
>>64443650
This is it. The most retarded post on the board.

>>64441250 (OP)
It seems someone neglected an essential reading...

>>64444032
I explained exactly what failed on the shartsberg 500 and why, and what I would've wanted to have when going through multiple shotgun courses over the course of a 2 day intensive. Multiple people had the kel tec and it did fine. Multiple people had their mossbergs break and it was the same issue. Read the fucking archived post, mainly the end where you can google "mossberg shells stuck" or "mossberg shells won't stay in magazine" and you get hundreds of results of people complaining about it on forums. Then google "Remington shells not loading" or "shells not staying in magazine" and find nearly nothing.

YOUR CHEAP GUN IS SHIT, THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT. IT FAILED ME AND IT WILL FAIL YOU TOO.

Personally I, and anyone else, would've had a much easier time clearing those courses with a dual magazine so they have to reload less and perform less shell switching drills (something your notraining ass has never even done or heard of) and the pistol grip would've saved my wrist and allowed me to use more shouldered loading techniques. The bullpup design would've helped with the room clearing. Yeah I would take that over a shitsberg grandpa gun. The M&P12 is a huge improvement on the KSG so get that if you wanna blow the extra money.

>>64441269
I live in a million dollar home in florida and I've had to point a shotgun at some guys who were trying to break into my home. An alligator lives in my backyard, and except for youths smoking pot in all the parks it's great here.

>>64444082
>local fauna trying to break in to his McMansion and requires brandishing to stop it
>YEAH ITS AWESOME HERE
Shithole confirmed.

>>64441269
He lives in society and just isn't naive about it

>>64444076
Most failure by bending or breaking parts from hard racking happens in shotguns that have a single arm on the action slide tube assembly. The mossberg has dual arms and is notorious for being able to continue to function under adverse conditions. The Remington 870 also has dual "action bars".
>>m&p
Heavy over complicated jam factory. Shit choice.
>>Ksg
Holy fucking shit you just watched John wick and rolled with it didn't you? That thing is the biggest pile of shit in the shotgun world. Issues? Fucking everything. You would be better off shooting yourself in a home invasion as that first shot is the only reliable one you are getting.
I don't think you have actually used a shotgun.
As a bonus the browning bps also used dual arms.
You see faggot the thing is all those shotguns mentioned that have dual arm pumps evolved because to men in swamps and fields, in the rain snow and mud, dust and dirt, running dirty old and mixed types and leingth ammunition racking hard under pressure and excitement.

>>64441250 (OP)
HOLY FUCK, is that cat ok?

>>64444076
Honestly, i straight up do not believe you ever went to a 2 day shotgun course and witnessed multiple mossberg 500s fail while the ksg came out on top. I believe this to be a purely fictional event.

>>64444910
Dual shell stops means 2 failure points, and both of them need to be exactly bent for them to function properly.

>>64445687
Yep and I had to finish with a rental 870 that the old walrus boomer claimed were unbreakable. But when you get tossed a 15+ year old whore of a shotgun that gets ran dirty and put away dry, and that's what they're using to replace the mossbergs that break, it says something. You can go off marketing I'm gonna go off experience.

>>64443042
>youse
Ahh a phellow philly native... You bring much honor to our great city fuckyamuddah postah

keltec ksg
or any similar types of shotgun

>>64441250 (OP)
Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 with double aught, single aught, or #1 buck
Remington 870s are good if you can get pre-Freedom Group models.
The stupid retard ITT spamming shit about the KSG is retarded and trying to get you killed. It is plastic garbage gimmick machine with more points of failure than an Italian supercar. It is difficult to use and people frequently accidentally put their hand in front of fhe muzzle and shoot their hand off. It's shit.

>>64441250 (OP)
A Benelli M4. Fantastic choice for atomizing so-called “minorities”.

KSG (SBS)

>>64446951
Skill issue. You should probably stick with the notraining entry level guns, they probably won't break on you since you don't actually use them.

Can you get Beneli M4 in it's mil configuration as a civlian?

>>64441250 (OP)
Mossbergs are great, and their mavericks are really good and cheap.

Has Remington just completely given up the ghost? When was the last time anyone saw a new tac-13?

>>64441250 (OP)
Why does a ringcam have a grindhouse filter?

>>64445687
+1

>>64441277
The only downsides to shotguns are limited capacity and how loud they are. You can get a great and reliable for under $300. The maverick 88 is great for HD.

>>64441269
The shithole comes to you anon.

>>64443051
If cheap (and not dogshit) doubles were a thing in the US there'd be a lot of merit to this from a CYA perspective. Thing is you're not getting the $500 slick as shit sidelock ejector like you would in the UK, you're either spending thousands or getting some rough as fuck "coach gun".

>>64441269
You only need a pair of dyslexic debt collectors who mistake the address and beat you up.

>>64446955
/thread

>>64441269

Apparently you'd prefer harsh language. Good luck with Stabby McRapeApe.

>>64446951
>frequently

>>64441250 (OP)
>fuck with the meow meow and get the peow peow

>>64447522
Because of the typical flies, insects, and dust particles caught on low res cameras, retard.

For regular run of the mill invaders? I always recommend a good ol' Remington twin barreled shotty, it ain't exactly clean but it certainly gets the job done.

>>64447355
Not off the shelf. You have to buy a different magazine tube. If you want the OEM part it's around $300 so most people just buy an extender for the cucked tube and it'll run you about $25 instead.

>>64441250 (OP)
Short boys, 4 inches of shrinkage makes a huge difference.

>>64455068
OI LOOK AT DEM SMOL BOIZ

"home defense shotgun" is a stupid meme. I won't even get into effectiveness. it's a meme because if you buy your tacticool shotgun you won't be able to do anything fun with it besides maybe shoot bowling pins. they suck for shooting clays which is the most fun thing you can do with a shotgun. they suck for hunting birds and they're sub par for hunting deer. many indoor ranges won't even let you shoot them there. on the other hand if you buy an ar for home defense it will still do anything else you would want an ar to do and you can also buy a sport shotgun to do actually fun shotgun stuff with.

.t bought a vepr 12 for my first shotgun but wish I had an o/u

>>64455295
>buy a maverick 88 for $200
>meme for hd
ok faggot

Shotgun home defense is dead now that ar-15's are cheap as fuck. Especially as you get older the ease of use of an AR makes defense easier than going 50/50 with a shotgun's kick when it's at night

>>64455629
>Shotgun home defense is dead now
I’m going to buy one just to keep it alive.

>>64455626
yeah it's a meme because it's going to be a $200 door stop that sits in the corner of your bedroom. if you had spent half a pay check from a mcjob extra you could have bought an ar that's actually fun to take to the range.

>>64455735
I already own an AR, retard. I’d prefer to not have my good shit taken, you mong. I wouldn’t mind losing a cheap yet reliable and proven system like the maverick 88.

And I like shooting my ak more than my ar.

>>64455748
>my good shit taken
....what?

>>64455762
retard

>>64455793
Okay, youre autistic?

>>64455802
Go back to pol, retard.

>>64441250 (OP)
wtf is this real?

>>64455735
>yeah it's a meme because it's going to be a $200 door stop that sits in the corner of your bedroom
I think the people who have forgotten or never experienced the struggle have a hard time understanding why a 12 gauge is a poorfag's do it all gun of choice. It can kill just about anything you have any business shooting a firearm at (and probably even some things you have absolutely no business shooting at if you apply yourself) on the north american continent with maybe another barrel or two if you're finicky like that. Finely balanced over/unders are nice, but if you can't make that 88 do some work busting clays or bringing birds home you probably can't shoot worth a fuck in general.

>>64456905
my local trap range won't even let you shoot anything with a barrel under 24 inches.

>>64457303
So get a 24-inch barrel for it? Hell, you can get a 28-inch if you want. It's not going to be the finest fowling piece whichever side of the Mississippi you happen to be on, but a 12 gauge is a 12 gauge. An 88 with an 18.5 for unscheduled social visits and a 28 for reaching clays and birds is still gonna be a fuck of a lot cheaper than two guns for each task. (and really you can/should just take your longass bird gun and hole up in a room waiting for the bad guy to come to you in most HD circumstances)

>>64445687
My Maverick 88 held up well. Why is their budget shotty so solid?

Obvious a kekwreck rep faggot is working this thread trying to sell his companies horseshit shotty.

>>64457445
This nigger is a tourist or a trolling retard. The maverick 88 has been blowing away retards like you for decades now. It’s proven.

>>64457471
Friendly fire kid. I'm a happy Mav 88 owner that keeps it ready to grab next to my sleeping space with a Beretta shotgun collection in a environment controlled set of display cases as per my insurance to keep payments reasonable for the deductible I want. A good shotgun is above all else reliable. Then it's easy to handle under stress. Then it throws out the shells you want to use in your defensive situation. Check, check and check all three on the Maverick 88.. Now I did mount a Trijicon SRO and kept the front bead if the Triji craps out. Use Velcro card shell carriers that mostly is for quickly switching shells to better fit my targets. Mostly to swap quickly to bird shot for varmint threats like possums if the noise I heard outside wasn't two legged or hog. Otherwise I battle carry my party mix: A sabot slug in the chamber, then magnum 00, then slug/00 mix. Cards in pouch configured slug/00. Card on shotty first two slots bird shot. If situation is heavy, rip off card and slap on from pouch and rock out with my cock out. Ammo really counts in shotgun use. The shells make or break you in the engagement. If you can swap ammo fast, then you know how to use your shotgun.

>>64455762
If you shoot someone in your house, the police may confiscate your gun while doing their investigation. You may get your gun back that night, you may get your gun back like 3 months from that day, who knows. What would you rather have in a police evidence locker, your $200 shitpipe or your $400 poorfag AR with $200 worth of accessories on it? You gotta think about the after effects of a home invasion shooting too.
It's why I have a $180 maverick 88 sitting ready to go, im not gonna use my Gucci Beretta and risk having some fucking cop walk away with my optic or light.

>>64457360
I would say just stop being poor but even poors can have decent guns if they budget well. if you are a broke nigger and need a home defense weapon because you live in the hood clearly the first thing you should be buying is a handgun since if you are at danger at home you're probably at danger outside the home too. a pistol might not be optimal but it's better than your dick. once you have that covered you can start buying guns for "fun," and at that point you might as well pay the extra $200 for a field model since the longer barrel costs that much by itself anyway.

>>64457703
Yeah, anybody with a job, even a particularly shit one, should be able to squirrel away $400 for a budget pistol and some ammo. It's nowhere near as unobtainable as some people make it out to be.

>>64441269
Earth.

>>64457703
You’re projecting, mong. Have you heard of Alexandria, Virginia? That was the city where that mother was threatened by clowns. You probably couldn’t afford to live there. Sometimes shit happens, you retard. I would rather risk a maverick 88 than one of my more expensive guns. Why is this so hard for you to understand? You have a lukewarm temperature iq.

>>64457825
I live like 45 minutes from there what's your fucking point? you don't need a shotgun for home defense and if paranoia about pigs stealing your gun is the primary factor in what gun you use when your life is on the line you're a fucking moron.

>>64457585
>>64457825
Nigga most people dont even get charged with anything. Your whole post is based on fantasy fuddlore from 90s.

>>64458823
Underage detected

>>64458801
>a $200 maverick 88 can’t be good enough for self defense! You have to buy a $3000 gun to defend yourself!
faggot retard.

>>64459230
so you're just going to ignore the rest of my argument you rat piece of shit?

>>64459261
I’m not going to use my good shit unless I absolutely have to. Like my kr-103 sfs, for example. I don’t need to use a shotgun, but I would rather use a cheap shotgun. A 12 gauge is good enough.

wtf is the problem, retard?

>>64441250 (OP)
Ithaca 37 trench with M1917 bayonet and #4 high brass with a Streamlight T-Rex taped on.

>>64441250 (OP)
The correct answer.

>>64459261
Nta but you’re an assmad faggot with retarded viewpoints that only apply to your narrow and limited worldview and very little experience in the matters you’re talking about. And you lack the intelligence to consider other setups and factors that other anons would go through.

>>64444058
underrated post

>>64459275
the point is that a $200 poorfag 88 has no other application besides your schizo fantasy, while a $400 m&p, a $400 psa, or a $400 mossberg 500 field all have multiple applications that are well worth the extra $200 even for people on a budget.

>I’m not going to use my good shit unless I absolutely have to.
if defending your life isn't an "absolutely have to" moment then what is?

>>64459352
That other anon has you nailed pretty well. You have a very limited, myopic perspective. If I wanted to shoot clay,
Ducks or w/e, I would buy another gun for it.

You’re a very stupid, ignorant and immature person.

>>64447423
>When was the last time anyone saw a new tac-13?

Mossberg has a 990 Aftershock for under 1k.

IWI sells the Mafteah, which is highly similar to the TAC 13.

>>64459371
you still don't get it. if you aren't going to shoot flying targets there's no point to getting a shotgun. that's what they're good for and that's what is fun doing with them. shooting paper like you would with a handgun or a rifle is retarded. maybe you can set up bowling pin targets, but they probably won't even let you at a public range so you would need access to private land, and if all you have is an indoor range you might as well forget shooting it entirely. why would you spend any amount of money on a gun that you're not even going to shoot? I guess that's par for the course for /k/ but come on. I work at a gun store and spend tons of time at the local ranges. I guarantee I've talked to more gun owners than you.

>>64459974
How hard is it to understand that a person wants to buy a gun that they wont care about if they fucking lose it to the black hole that is the local police department? If I want a clays gun i'll just buy a fucking clays gun. I want the cheapest fucking piece of steel that is still decently reliable for the least amount of money I can get away with. Why? Because i'd rather be down $179.99 and 5 rounds of 00 buck for blowing open a robber than down $400+ in the off chance they take my shit you autistic fuck.

>>64460007
>lose it to the black hole that is the local police department
schizo paranoia

>>64459974
Are you fucking retarded? 12 gauge 00 buck to center mass will drop a motherfucker. I don’t live in a McMansion and even then you’re still getting a tight group out to 25yds with a cylinder bore shotgun. You can extend that tight group out to 40 or 50 yards if you add a full choke adapter to it.

I’m 100% convinced you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing. Do you understand that?

>>64460065
It’s happened to people on this board. Go back to pol, fagwad.

>>64460066
anything bigger than .22 will kill a tyrone trying to steal your dvd collection. there's no point in buying a "home defense gun" that's just going to sit in the corner of your room. buy guns that serve some other purpose that you're interested in and leave one out of the safe. a .380 that you practice shooting every month is going to be more reliable in an emergency than a 12 gauge that you shot once and then forgot about for 4 years.

>>64460073
prove it with a news article

>>64460142
>nooooo, you caaant just buy a gun for a singular purpose! You have to squeeze every bit of utility out of it!
Just kys, basedfaggot.

>>64460142
I mean, you can still take your maverick 88 out and run drills. You can room clear and practice stress reloads. Its about the same length as a Beretta 1301 or a Benelli M4 and people run tactical drills with those all the time. You act like a person cant do anything fun or useful with a cheap but reliable shotgun.

>>64459974
>if you aren't going to shoot flying targets there's no point to getting a shotgun
what is hunting for $500

>>64460142
>prove it with a news article
Your fellow nose long peeps wouldn’t publish a story about how a gun owner got screwed over. Nice try, moshe.

>>64460193
Exactly. I don’t know what this faggot pictures in his head when he thinks about buckshot, but it’s quite clear this faggot doesn’t know dick about firearms.

>>64460065
Ya know, so let's say the cops don't take my shit. That means I still defended myself with a $200 shotgun and what ever I spent on the ammo. What's the fucking issue? What's your fucking hangup? Did you buy something more expensive and are trying to justify it? I can still practice with it, I can still customize it, I could shoot retarded handloads through it if I wanted to, just to fuck around. All this for like a day or two of work. If I want something nicer, I'll just budget again for it, because my nearly disposable shotgun didn't even make that much of a dent in my wallet. You keep trying to make up problems that don't exist.

>>64460170
explain why you would buy a gun just for "home defense" when any of your other guns that aren't .22s or bolt actions can also do that job.

>>64460193
are you going to hunt grouse with your 18" cylinder bore barrel? even if you live in a state that makes you use shotguns for deer you're still better off with a field model.

>>64460226
you sound like the one trying to justify his $200 purchase. I have plenty of guns that I can use to shoot kitchen niggers on top of the practical and entertainment value they bring besides that.

>>64460263
Post guns

>>64460263
I’ve already explained, as have others, to why I wouldn’t want to use my various handguns or rifles. You’re intentionally being dense for the sake of prolonging this conversation.

This is womanly behavior and tired of your horseshit.

>>64460263
>you sound like the one trying to justify his $200 purchase
You seem like you're really invested in insisting that a cheap boomstick can't be both useful and fun. Even if you're getting an 18" primarily to keep on hand for things that go bump in the night, you're acting like you can't take it out along with your other guns to blast some clays on the weekend.

>>64460294
>I posted my schizo paranoia why don't you believe me?

>>64460295
I tried shooting trap with my vepr once and it sucked. I gave up like 3 shots into the round and just borrowed a friend's vinci.

>>64460306
Post guns fag

>>64460313
what now? gonna cry?

>>64460329
and before you complain that it's rusty I bought it used and reblued it.

>>64460332
forgot picture

>>64460335
Ok so ur a hasguns, so why the hate on poors for buying a cheap shotgun? You can buy a used 88 for like 120 bucks at a pawnshop. They are as cheap as used Hi-points. You could sell candy and soda on a street corner and buy one and it will kill something dead as a mossberg 500 would. What are you trying to explain to us? Spend more so its "potentially" more useful?

>>64460354
I already fuckin explained it twice. there's no point in buying a gun for "home defense" only when basically any gun will do and there are tons of affordable guns that you can get instead that will also be fun to shoot. if you bought your 10th gun and it ended up being a meme that sits in your safe that's one thing, but telling people to do it for their first is just bad advice.

>>64460368
>shotgun for hd is a meme bro, totally not viable. I would know, I work at a gun store and chat up other retards all the time.
Just give it a rest.

>>64460368
Ok, it really sounds like you think shotguns are boring and useless. You don't think a cheap shotgun that was bought for home defense cant be fun to shoot so therefore its a garbage choice.

>>64461819
He thinks a specific type of shotgun a short 18-20 riot gun is useless. And he's right.

>>64461848
>riot gun
So, we’re just moving the goal posts now?

>>64461848
>useless
>can shoot someone
I dunno chief that sounds pretty fucking useful if im just blasting someone breaking into my house.

>>64461856
That's an accurate description of a mav 88. That's what they used to call them before it became more politically correct security. The barrel length are still sold as riot in the description.

>>64461904
Ah okay. But this is still about hd, which The maverick 88 is perfectly sufficient. If there was an ebt gang outside rioting, I would grab one of my rifles instead. Though I’m sure the maverick 88 could work as well.

>>64461882
you can shoot an intruder with a pistol or an ar and those also have application for shooting paper targets which is both entertaining and trains you to shoot better. aside from your schizo delusion about the cops stealing your guns why would you buy a crappy shotgun exclusively for "home defense" when a gun that you should already own can fill that role? and if you already have home defense covered why would you not save up an extra $200 to buy a more useful shotgun?

>>64444076
>>64445986
I 100% believe that you have never owned a shotgun and are currently less than the legal drinking age.

>>64459974
>I work at a gun store
This explains why you are an insufferable retard with a wildly unjustified opinion of your own intelligence.

>>64461950
>why would you not save up an extra $200 to buy a more useful shotgun?
Because the cheap shotgun i bought is already useful enough to shoot a robber. I dont need anymore utility out of it you sperg. I bought it to shoot a robber, and it will do that. I dont need it to do anymore. Id i wanted too, I can still practice with it, I can still knock down steel targets, I can still practice shotgun drills, but the primary purpose for me owning has been fulfilled. What more would I need?

>>64441266
Just a few years, bro, we just need to give Altman another trillion.

>>64442021
>it's over of comedians
Good morning, sar!

>>64462100
>Good morning, sar!
I'm french not indian.
And yes I do it on purpose.

>>64462103
>frog
So, you’re Muslim not Indian. Same shit.

>>64462107
I whiter than you, whatever trash you are.

>>64462020
why don't you own a pistol? do you not edc? why do you not own an ar?

>>64462115
You pray to Mecca, how white can you be lol

>>64462263
>he’s making the same retarded argument again
nta, but stfu already bitch boy.

Maverick 88

>>64462302
Oh shit, retards who work at gun stores are about to crash out.

>>64462263
>No
>No
>not interested enough I guess
Does it matter anon? I bought a cheap shotgun, it does what I need it to do. What more do I need?

>>64462298
>>64462307
lmao all of this seethe was coming from people who don't even own guns besides their meme shotgun. don't know why I even expected better from /k/.

every time this thread gets bumped i have to rewatch the damn webm

>>64462367
You lost autist

>>64462416
too late you exposed yourself all you get now is lol.

>>64462367
lol I don’t own a maverick 88 yet, but I’m going to buy one soon. They’re like $200 at my local Walmart. You have no argument and no bitches.

>>64462446
>Anon is mad that a $200 shotgun is gud enuff
I bet you put nitrogen in your tires too

>>64460368
You can use a shotgun for trap shooting, hunting most game, target shooting and competition. A shotgun loaded with buck or slug is as close to a guaranteed one shot stop as you can get and studies have proven a cheap 12 gauge is more likely to get your defensive shooting judged justified than a black semi-auto will. You might have more fun with other guns but that doesn't make a solid case against a modest pump gun.

>>64462372
Its a funny webm, a rare time that AI gets it right

>>64462683
>You can use a shotgun for trap shooting, hunting most game, target shooting and competition.
if you are using a 18-20 for any of that you arent serious. you are the guy who shows up with it cause thats the only shotgun you have. thats fine thats how we get new shooters into it. the second you borrow somebody else's gun or simply stop being a contrarian with something to prove you start thinking about what to buy to replace yours.
just cause you can doesnt mean you should. you could cook all your meals using a razorblade like in goodfellas or you could use a chefs knife and make life easy.

>>64441250 (OP)
Someone needs to teach this cat better recoil management.

>>64462825
nta but using your analogy, I don’t need a chefs knife to cut bread. A maverick is FINE for home defense.

>>64462825
Cool beans anon, so you finally understand that if im just using my shotgun for home defense and nothing else, then its a perfectly cromulent firearm for this purpose.

>>64462851
In this thread he's trying to convince anons to buy a chefs knife to cut some packing tape.

>>64463085
and you are advocating for a razoblade with no handle cause its 2 cents. a boxcutter is too expensive.
your whole argument for why its good is im too poor to afford anything else.

>>64463115
>im too poor to afford anything else
>the fag continues to make the same retarded argument.
Just kys already. We have told we have more expensive guns that are overkill for the application. My lord you’re such a nigger.

>>64463134
brokeboy who has to save up for a mav88 he doesnt even own is mad

>>64463144
That’s it, I’m buying one right now.

>>64463160
Don't do it. Buy a used mossberg 500a instead.

>>64441250 (OP)
Well, I Recommend the Mossberg Maverick 88 12 (or 20 gauge if your a little recoil sensitive) pump action shotgun. The 5 and 7 round "Security" model can be had for about $200 new or ±$160 used. Litteraly all the gun you need. When you buy it, clean it, get some cheap 00 buck and shoot it to get you familiar with it. Take it home, clean it again, load it up with some ok tier 00 buck like Winchester Super X and you're good to go. Maybe take it out every 3 or 4 months and shoot it just to keep you sharp. You dont need anything else if blasting a thief in the face is all you're worried about.
If you like shotgunning, you could always take a class and look up some YouTube videos for some shotgun drills you can practice.

>>64463134
the broke nigger already admitted to not owning a handgun or an ar who are you trying to fool?

>>64463764
So whats the fuckin issue with a broke nigger owning one of the most affordable guns you can get? You could walk into almost any fucking sporting goods store and walk out with a fucking shotgun that will definitely fuck up somebody trying to steal your TV. What's the fucking issue, why are you so against this fucking gun.

>>64463764
>he doesn’t understand greentext
I have plenty of handguns and rifles to defend myself with. I don’t want my good shit to end up in police evidence, retard. Go back to plebbit, nigger.

>>64463800
the issue is the brokenigger pretending other guns dont exist and that what he bought is the best.
if one of the 99 or 150ish turkshit shotguns actually worked your broke ass would be shitting on the 88 for being too expensive and pretending turkshit was the best option cause its the cheapest.

>>64463823
Now ur putting words in brokeniggers mouth, he never said it was the best, he litteraly said it was enough for him so why get more? Even non brokeniggers agree that they dont want to use their expensive shit as a ghetto blaster, so a cheap ass shotgun is more than enough. You are wrong and have no argument against any of this.

>>64463833
your expensive handgun that you think is too expensive to loose is 300, maybe even 500 at most. your just broke and delusional.

>>64463840
nta but I paid $800 for my ppk/s (first gun I bought), and I still carry it from time to time. You’re just a retard with severe mental deficiencies.

>>64463851
if you're carrying it that means you're willing to shoot someone outside the house with it. how come you aren't afraid of pigs stealing it then

>>64463958
I’m less likely to use it outside my house. Are you done with your horseshit now?

>>64463961
>I’m less likely to use it outside my house.
that doesn't sound right statistically. do you have numbers to back that up?

>>64463958
A carry gun also sees a lot more abuse than your under the bed shotgun idiot, it makes sense to spend more on a carry gun.

>>64463471
I rented a 88 at the trap range, and I thought that the long barrel on it to kill clays was awesome. Action was great, if a little rattly. I ended up going with the 500 field / deer combo, because I could always buy the security barrel later, and I prefer the wood furniture with the tang safety. But I can confirm that the 88 is indeed an awesome shotgun for the money.

>>64443904
IIRC, the Mossberg pumps are based on the Remington 31 Shotgun design, and that was a pretty damned good piece.

>>64441250 (OP)
>>64441269
All you need is Kung fu

>>64441250 (OP)
>>64465139
Any other mossberg 500 owners have a stiff safety? I wish they had the cross bolt safety like the mav88.

>>64465139
is real?

>>64465411
My cat does this sometimes

>>64465411
Kung Fu is always fake

>>64441250 (OP)
I only use a shotgun for fun. I'd never make it the go to gun. Slow ROF. Low round count capacity. Buckshot loses stopping power after 20 yards. Slugs need to be selectively loaded if alternating. A shotgun bets nothing but it's not a self defense choice.

>>64466604
>Buckshot loses stopping power after 20 yards.
I need sources. Also, in what scenario do you need to shoot beyond 20 yards for home defense?

>>64442021
Mate have you never heard of neuro-sama? She's legitimately hilarious. AI generated comedy is the way of the future.

>>64466604
Buckshot will absolutely kill you at 40-50 yards, maybe more but I have no idea how it performs past that because I cant get a pattern to stay together past that.

>>64443679
What a nice looking man, I wonder what his opinions on african americans and driving are....

>>64466604
Are you a retard that works at a gun store?

>>64466604
>loses stopping power after 20 yards
I keep forgetting there are people here that think video games are real life.

>>64441250 (OP)
Wtf bros is this real?

>>64466972
Yes I sold him the gun

>>64466834
>buckshot
>buck
they've been harvesting deer up to 100 yards out for a long time with buckshot
its just not nice, unpredictable, and you may not find the deer that dies days later
back in the day people were more desperate to get that buck for food or what not, hence the buckshot to increase the chances

>>64467279
Based weapons propagator and not being speciesist toward our feline fun apprecianatos.

>>64462873
Nice vibe

Shotguns aren't memes for home defense. You're just gay.

>>64441269
>need
didnt know it was the bill of needs
dont post stupid faggot bullshit on this website

>>64459285
With explosive ammo of course.

>>64441250 (OP)
Is a stockless shotgun manageable under stress ? I hope so, otherwise it's a loooong gun.