Thread 64450128

Is the "too much oil" a myth or it holds some truth?

Ofc you dont want your gun to look like it came from a Diddy party right?

>>64450128 (OP)
Thin coat = good.
Dripping oil everywhere = sub optimal.

Some guns will run just fine with excess oil, although it'll get all over you in the process. Some can actually get malfunctions from way too much lube, but it needs to be full retard levels of over-lubrication.

Too much oil is a problem that will solve itself when the gun is moved or fired. It will just fly off the gun and get other things dirty.
Too little oil means the gun will jam or rust unless it's a glock.

>>64450128 (OP)
>Is the "too much oil" a myth
Unless you're operating in extremely cold or dusty conditions, yes.
Any gun that shits the bed from "too much oil" isn't something that should ever be considered a valid defensive option.

>>64450128 (OP)
too much oil can absolutely be a problem. It makes a mess, dirt sticks to it, old oil often gets gummy or sticky over time. Excess oil will soak into and eventually ruin wood furniture like stocks, handguards, and foreends. At first it just makes unsightly dark stains, if bad enough it will fuck up the wood.

too much oil is just fine unless you have a striker fired gun like a glock. The glock manual states that too much oil in the striker channel will cause malfunctions.
In dusty conditions too much oil works just fine. Some people who don't know better claim it doesn't and that guns work better dry. This is patently and provably false. Oil can actually fill spaces and keep dust from getting in and causing malfunctions.
In cold weather you run a cold lube like you would with an automobile. just as with dusty conditions the cold lube will fill voids and prevents environmental substances like water, snow, ice from causing malfunctions.

>>64450160
>unless it's a glock

This demonstrable lie really needs to go away.

>>64450178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bOT_d60LM

>>64450190
>>64450189
>>64450178
>>64450160
>>64450145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-527BroPGI

>>64450145
So a beretta would do fine with everything?

>>64450235
Zero oil will fuck the anodizing and destroy the frame over time

>>64450128 (OP)
depends on gun
knew guys who used to lube their ARs by just dunking the entire BCG then going out and dumping a mag through it to shake off the excess. Too messy for my tastes but worked fine for them.

Good guns don't and shouldn't need any visible amount of oil to operate properly.

We use oil in cars because it has a sump and a filter and a pump and an oil cooler, and because of this a proper car will not burn any percievable amount of oil even after several thousands of miles.

Guns are the exact opposite of cars, and have the problem of oil being flung off or burned off, as well as attracting debris.

If your gun needs oil to operate it is a shit gun.

>>64450191
>>64450208
>we dunked a gun in a bucket of oil and it still runs! Wow!
A car will also still run if you dump a bucket of oil over the valve cover, that doesn't mean overlubrication doesn't exist and isn't a problem.

>>64450355
>oil attracts debris
oil is not a magnet or a vacuum cleaner. guns from reputable manufacturers ship lubed or ship with lube and instructions. I'll take the manufacturers advice and the advice a delta force commando over yours

>>64450355
>If your gun needs oil to operate it is a shit gun
How to spot a noguns faggot.

>>64450189

i am from a arid dusty climate, and have always run plastic pistols dry as a bone. really clean, but dry. i lightly lube a 1911 in key spots only. ar-15 gets a bit of oil on the charging handle, light coating on bcg, and a drop or two on roll pins in the lower after a good cleaning.

>>64450355

we mainly use oil in cars because they have hydraulic bearings in the bottom end, and rotating assemblies in the top end that make contact with each other many thousand of times per minute.

>>64450375
>I'll take the manufacturers advice
Like Ruger's?
>>64450377
Buy better guns
>>64450400
Also correct, a car's engine will see more use in a 5 minute drive to the grocery store than 99.999% of guns will see for all of human history.

>>64450320
I knew people who "cleaned" their AR boltcarrier assys by dunking them in a bucket of Dexron II then giving the works a brisk shake before dropping it back into the upper.

>>64450427
These are not manufacturers instructions. Oil doesn't turn your gun into a fucking grenade.

>>64450596
>These are not manufacturers instructions
Incorrect. This image is found in every Ruger owner's manual.
https://ruger.com/dataProcess/serialHistory/manuals.php

>>64450427
>still not posting guns
>making retarded arguments
Also nocar spotted, truly the worst.

>>64450625
>moving the goalposts
>no more arguments to the contrary
Your concession is accepted and appreciated. Best of luck anon!

>>64450628

ya mudda.

>>64450628
>guns are cars
>oil turns both into grenades
>"concession accepturd"

>>64450427
the obstructing the bore is the important part retard

>>64450628
You're the one moving goalposts here without owning guns or a car, retard.

Are you supposed to disassemble and lubricate your pistol first thing when it arrives straight from the factory?

>>64450872
yes though people dont
the stuff that comes on by default is packing oil/grease to prevent rust

too much oil pros:
>makes a mess
>attracts dust and shit
>burns off and makes smoke
>can harm certain materials (wood) and probably finished
too much oil cons:
>???
I have never seen a gun "blow up" without oil, like an ICE will. Even the guys doing "1000 round torture tests" with full auto lowers on on AR-15s aren't spraying them down with oil between every mag, and those are some of the guns which (according to the Green Berets on /k/) need the most lubricant

>>64450128 (OP)
I want my gun to look like I clean it and to accumulate a thick layer of soot which when combined with the oil create GUNK which rhymes with FUNK and is therefore ok

>>64450872
I always do but that's because I always want to disassemble a gun as soon as I touch it

>>64450128 (OP)
Oil is hard to overdo without realizing you're overdoing it. Grease is something I see reccomended every now and again and that can be detrimental since dirty grease is like sandpaper. On the plus side I used grease for the first hundred or so rounds to break in home builds that have cycling problems, basically works like lapping.

>>64450189
>The glock manual states that too much oil in the striker channel will cause malfunctions.
this applies to basically any gun. some parts like firing pins and the inside of magazines should never have anything but the driest coating of oil just so they don't rust.

>>64450375
>guns from reputable manufacturers ship lubed or ship with lube and instructions.
ok and almost all pistols manufacturers will tell you that the only points to lube are the silde rails and the parts of the barrel that touch the slide.

No such thing as too much oil you unpatriotic traitor.

There I said it.

>>64450427
>a car's engine will see more use in a 5 minute drive to the grocery store than 99.999% of guns will see for all of human history.
Citation required, please show math.

just dunk the entire gun in oil, what could happen?

>>64451458
say the engine is going at 3000 rpm for 5 minutes that's 15000 revolutions. if it has 4 pistons with a stroke of 3.5 inches that's 210000 inches of travel. now say your pistol slide moves back 1 inch when it cycles that means that running your engine for 5 minutes is equivalent to shooting your pistol 105000 times.

>>64451611
oops my bad the piston only fires every other rotation so divide that in half. still I doubt most people shoot 52k rounds out of their guns.

>>64450128 (OP)
Oil tends to collect dust and dirt so too much oil means you've got to clean the gun more often.

>>64450427
>>64450628
noguns btfo

No such thing as too much oil. Coat every wear point in V-Twin 20W-50.

>>64450377
Anon does have a point. Guns should fire without lubrication. However, it's a great way to ruin the gun. Like fucking a woman when she's still dry. Not a pleasant experience.

>>64450169
>Any gun that shits the bed from "too much oil" isn't something that should ever be considered a valid defensive option
Most guns are designed around the fact that the brass case expands against the chamber to use the friction to lower the bolt thrust.
"Too much oil" can seep into the chamber and coat the inner wall or coat the outside of the case being fed, leading to the case not gripping the chamber wall properly and unnecessarily increasing bolt thrust.
This isn't going to show itself as an immediate problem but long term it was a cause of failures with the M249, as excess lubrication was dripping onto the belt and the cases were fed into the chamber coated in oil.

>>64450128 (OP)
I have 40ish guns, I run all of them wet as shit and I've never seen a problem that could be attributed to "too much oil".
The only thing that can (and will) realistically happen is that you will get a bit of it in the face during the first couple of shots.

>>64453852
Caveat: if you shoot in an extremely dusty/sandy conditions or in DEEP cold, too much oil will be a problem, but no one on this board is likely to be shooting during a sandstorm or beyond the polar circle so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

I run a degreased BCG, only the tiny slide spots are oiled. If its not getting dirty im mad

>>64450128 (OP)
Idk last time I put oil on the slide inside of the slide on the barrel the springs and shit. A tiny tiny bit on the striker area. The feed rail. Then racked the slide like 15 times. Wiped any excess off and put it away

>>64451611
>>64451619
Guns operate from 20 to 40+ times the pressure of an engine and guns aren't mechanically balanced you fucking clown. 5 hours of engine running is somewhat equivalent to 100 shots.
Here you forgot your shoes

>>64450160
>Too little oil means the gun will jam or rust unless it's a glock.
Every time I've seen a cop die on bodycam its cause their shitty little glocks jammed. Fuck off.

>>64454150
>Guns operate from 20 to 40+ times the pressure
No one is talking about pressure, it's irrelevant when discussing lubrication
>guns aren't mechanically balanced
Also has nothing to do with lubrication

>>64454474
Ok dumbass.

It's not a concern when you realize oil / grease is meant to be applied with a brush like you would paint the metal with it and it solves literally every single not enough / enough problem.

>>64450128 (OP)
It's total bullshit.

>>64454684
This is a retarded test. A weapon that's soaking wet in oil will coat the chamber and ammo. Larry Snickers can fire a magazine and say it's fine but he's running the gun harder than it should because lubed ammo is overstressing the system.

>>64453211
some guns need very little oil, some have an oiler that oils every round before its even fed into the chamber. Good rifles are indifferent

>>64450128 (OP)
If oil gets into gunpowder the gunpowder doesn't work or doesn't work 100% - squibs hangfires. So especially with things like handloaded revolvers, flintlocks, oil can create big problems. Also cartridges soaked/washed in for example diesel. There is a long memory for things that don't work in dangerous/important ways.

>>64453180
Ask how I know you're circumcised.

>>64450355
>as well as attracting debris.
thats the part that seems like the biggest risk of over lubrication. Use a normal amount of lube, drop yoj weapon in the dirt, and pick it up, it should be fine. Dunk the weapon in a bucket of oil, and repeat that same test, and how much extra dirt will end up on and in the gun?

This thread just made me oil my guns

>>64450189
>Oil can actually fill spaces and keep dust from getting in and causing malfunctions.
This is what grease is for, oil just coats surfaces.

>>64454684
Agreed, love this analogy. This is why I don't just put oil in my car's oil sump, but I also pour an extra quart over the entire engine compartment like salad dressing. The car seems a bit more smoky than normal and it's definitely very messy, but the car still runs fine, so obviously that idea of overlubrication being bad just isn't true.

>>64450246
Zero oil would fuck any gun
>>64450128 (OP)
Overlubrication becomes an issue because the lubricant can trap gun powder residue and other stuff and turn into a sticky non-lubricant. But that would only become an issue if someone is both way overlubricating their gun and also never cleaning it.
And don’t lubricate the bore, it doesn’t need grease.

>>64454741
>this retarded test doesn’t prove over lubricating is a non issue because it could be a reliability issue long term if someone is shooting ammunition soaked in oil
you’re a retard

>>64456521
>that would only become an issue if someone is both way overlubricating their gun and also never cleaning it
you don't know how many people's idea of firearm maintenance is just squirting more oil on it every once in a while

I always pull an oiled patch through the barrel of my guns after shooting as a minimum cleaning and to prevent rust.