Thread 64480947

Many readers will be familiar with the PLA Rocket Force (PLARF) and their A2AD capabilities. These remain a serious threat to an adversary in the Western Pacific. However, massed OWA attacks could add an entirely new dimension to the counter-intervention campaign capabilities. The cost difference between OWA drones and other PLARF munitions means that OWA could be employed at a staggering scale.

Should the United States and its allies and partners, hereafter referred to as the Allies, intervene in a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, China would need to disrupt the Allied action across the entire FIC. Distributed OWA fires across the FIC could challenge the Allies' ability to maneuver and contest a Taiwan invasion. The map below shows notional launch areas and target areas for the OWA component of a Joint Firepower Strike.

The US can pick off a Chinese invasion fleet from extreme range. China either needs to decapitate a US counterstrike by getting a Hail Mary preliminary strike on US forces sitting right next to their country or guarrantee the US will not go after China if they fuck with chip supplies.

>>64480947 (OP)
>https://www.warquants.com/p/one-million-suicide-drones-with-chinese

Bottom line up front: China could easily build a million Shaheds, staffed by a brigade size crew, and launch enough daily to cover a 100 day attack on Taiwan.

Here's their rocket force for comparison.

>>64480957
China won't have 100 days to attack Taiwan. They'll have like 3-7.

implessive MS paint diagram showing that china is, in fact, geographically close to several other countries

>>64480947 (OP)
Implessive.
Now prease exprain to us balbalians how you think it wirr wolk out, honolabre ching.

>>64480961
Read the math, nigger. This is a white (and yellow) man's board.

>>64480955
>decapitate a US counterstrike by getting a Hail Mary preliminary strike
I mean this is basically the exact thinking that led the Japs to commit Pearl Harbor. Attacking Americans is never ever fucking worth it, it's like kicking a hornet's nest

>>64480968
Are you just retarded or ESL? China won't get 100 days to spam Shaheds, any idiot can figure out why.

>>64480973
You sound hysterical.

>>64480962
the most masculine chinese "men"

>>64480975
What's your mental malfunction? Do you really think the US and other aligned nations are going to sit by and let China dronespam Taiwan for over 3 months?

>chink shill posts a substack blog
Grim

>>64480968
Tbf, it takes less than 10 days to cruise from Hawaii to Taiwan.
You could add another 2 to 3 days to cruise from the West coast to Hawaii.
But even with preparation time added, given how many vessels remain actively deployed in the Pacific, you got a US Fleet near China in 2 weeks top.

>>64480990
Then there's also the air assets that can get there in hours and set up an airborne logistics network

>>64480962
Would

>>64480980
You're misunderstanding this retard's chart so he's having a melty, anon. He's saying China could keep up suppression of the target areas for 100 days as an implication of Chinese might. Now, he has kindly decided not to share his rationale for these "suppression thresholds," so you can just call him a retard and move on.

>>64480968
You're not a 4channer just because you say nigger, shill. Kill yourself, end your pathetic bug life.

>>64480979
>>64481001
Behind the thin veneer they show in propaganda to the west, chinkoids are even more gay and effeminate than other asians

>>64480980
I mean, we could.
It's not like there's an expiration date to counterstrike.
What we shouldn't do is let the chinks get in a position where/when they can do a landing and sustain it.
But if Taiwan holds 1 month, that won't be an issue, as anything sailing PRC flag by then will play yellow submarine.

>>64480998
That too, yeah.
Thx anon : tunnel vision got me.

>>64480947 (OP)
There is one massive problem. The Chinse people with no historical exception are terrible at war, have a disasterous track record in it and have nearly no one with any actual experience of it, let alone sucess. Not just that they are demonstrably quantitively and qualitively dwarfed by the US and EU and ruled by of all things a communist party that hangs up pictures of Karl Marx and Mao. Posts like yours are too comedic to even process, the fact that you even excist and wrote that shows how utterly incapable thye CCP is dispite decades of western charity via favoured trading status of wiping it's own arse let alone triumphing in any major conflict, Consider this prior to 2022 Russia was considered better armed and more experienced in warfare than China. Look at Russia, go on look at it. The EU and US are responsible for digital computing, nuclear weapons and the internet. Let that sink in for a minute. 50% of China is a fucking desert and it is entirely dependent on energy imports and the US and EU sustaining global food comodity prices. Now fuck off and make some shitty injected moulded cup holder on a German machine and smile. This shit is I assume for the consumption of the population of communist China who have no free press or freedom of speech or contested elevctions which is exactly why corruption, dishonesty, nepotism, graft and ineptitude are it's system of goverance.

If China actually goes to war the CCP and PLA will be obliterated. That is also why the grifting crooks that run it will never even step in that direction and keep shittying out this crap as a distraction from the fact that Chinas era of economic prosperity ended the second they antagonised the EU and USA by pricking around with covid and pumping out this 'we hav big bloat with areplane like yankee now, Russia gave us big bloat look we real place lik you now, luk at our IQ test we did, we so clevah' shit.

>>64480980
Yes. Because US is too deindustrialized to do shit. Most of current us ship are outdated craps from the 80s.

>>64480998
>airborne logistics network
I think you overestimate how much air trans capacity is available. It'll be important in the first 48 hours, but there's just not enough of it to sustain a conflict of this (potential)size.

>>64481038
Dont spout your party propaganda here no one cares, the US is still a major aerospace threat to China

>>64481038
>this is the new way chinks are coping with their opponent having 11 carrier groups
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad

>>64481040
Its been done before to huge countries like Iraq and that was even more isolated

>>64481042
A team of American military analysts wrote this article.
"Chink" is what malding extremely-online types call successful professionals discussing geopolitics.

>>64481055
What do these professionals say about the US having 11 carrier fleets.

>>64480947 (OP)
>One Million Suicide Drones
Is just a couple of month worth of Chinese production GAYRAPEANS

>>64481055
Ah yes, the military analysts whose entire job is to help convince congress that we need to spend more money on defense. Those guys.
>this has nothing to do with the 11 carrier groups btw, stop dodging

>>64481009
China has retvrned to its traditions
https://youtu.be/c_gwyDsmeF4

>>64481009
They are haunted by a centuries of malnutritiuon in no small part relatively recenetly caused by communist mismanagement of agriculture. Huindrdes of millions of communist Chinese are subsistence farmers. Yet they want to build immitations of 1950s US aircraft cariies and float around in some lump of soviet shit acting like a world poweer. They have gone and lent all their money to third world nations that will never repay it (the western nations have been there many times before) and they are back in an era of cllapse and stagnation having ruined hing knong and blown their cash cow the most favoured trading nation status Bill Clinton tried to drag them into civilisation with. The PLA remains as it always was, a weapon against Chinas civilians and a bodyguard for the CCP. Like Putin they have to be watched for raw stupidity by civilisation but they are neither an economic, military or cultural rival to anything but their own heritage and people. They have disasterous relationships with all of their neighbours and are right now economically fucked on a great recession tier level. Xi completely destoyed an entire gneration of Chinnse advance prancing aroound trying to be implessive. The EU or US could break and occupy communist China in six months. They just can't be bothered.

>>64480955
Unfortunately this isn't really true, the longest range AShMs we have are LRASMs which only have a ~500 mile range. Most other anti ship missiles are going to consist of air launched Harpoons and SLAM-ERs, which have relatively poor range of sub 200 miles, which would be extremely dangerous to utilize as they both are not integrated with the F-35 and don't fit in the F-35 weapon bay anyway. Getting Super Hornets within 200 miles of the Chinese coastline would be massively dangerous given that the Chinese do have a lot of AWACS aircraft and enough stealth aircraft to make it something that will be very risky to do. In other words any counter amphibious operations are going to have to be left to either the Taiwanese or LRASMs alone. That is going to do some damage for sure but there aren't enough LRASMs to really stop these forces getting moved across the strait as you have to assume some proportion of them will be shot down, as they are still subsonic cruise missiles at the end of the day
As useful as stealth is on aircraft, once LRASM crosses the radar horizon it will be close enough to be tracked by modern shipborne radars just as a result of the short distance and the realistic limits of RCS reduction. For reference, the SPY-1D(V) on 90s/00s vintage pre-Flight III Burkes can track a .0025 m2 target at over 100 miles as per official claims from the Army testing it in a C-RAM context. Even if you assume the Chinese have shitty radars, their AESAs are likely at least on par or close to it with 25 year old US PESA radars

>>64481084
If the US is striking China they're not shooting off the little things.

>>64481086
I think it's obvious that the US is not going to nuke China over Taiwan as funny as that would be

>>64481044
>like Iraq
That was primarily sea-based logistics combined with pre-positioned(by sea) assets. They flew in the humans, but the heavy gear all went on ships. Nobody is out there supplying whole invasion forces with C-17s and C-5s, it's just not possible outside of the smallest operations.

>>64481095
No not nuke, but cripple China.

>>64481109
Invasion forces? We're not invading China, we are going to kill them.

>>64481110
We don't really have anything else to hit them with, it's pretty much only Tomahawk and Dark Eagle/LRHW. Tomahawks are very slow and relatively easy to shoot down so they will need to be massed in larger numbers and focused at a handful of the most important targets, and we just don't have many LRHW munitions because of how new they are and how slow production is.

>>64481151
You can launch conventional warheads on IRBMs/ICBMs. Trading an ICBM for a critical military target is a good deal.

>>64481158
The US doesn't have IRBMs, but it's also a really bad idea to fire an ICBM at another country with nukes when are known to have nuclear weapons yourself since they are obviously going to assume you are trying to drop nuclear weapons on them. This is especially true for a country with no publicly known conventional ICBM warheads. If it was someone like South Korea that has no nukes but has ICBM class missiles then that would be a reasonable option, but we are not in that category

>>64481151
>We don't really have anything else to hit them with
Aside from heavy strategic bombers, the aircraft on eleven aircraft carrier battle groups and one of the most devestating selection of anti ship, guided air to ground, interconninental and cruise missiles in history, a blockade of food and energy imports and economic collapse?

Really makes you think. When shitholes like communist China, post societ Russia and India started screaming about wanting a multipolar world and a reversion to great power conflict and threw their shit stained and defective hats in the ring, their leadership and populations never really thought through the consequences did they? China would be crushed by the EU let alone the USA. Reality is with Chinas disterous lending to bad debt third world nations and the severing of its feeding tit in being a preferred trading partner and its clown car communist party leadership, its heading back to where it came from, an agarian subsistence failed state with regular famines surrounded by nations that hate it and the civilised world holding it in justified contempt for biting the hand that fed it. The very minute China tried to fuck with shit like bio warefare , spammed propaganda and mess with like resources rare earths it buried the Chinese population in poverty for a generation. Deserved. Don't expect favours from Europe, Japan or the rest of civilisation either. Good luck with the rice harvest and all that shit.

Lots of pictures of Xi standing next to Putin and Modi. One down two to go.

You want to know the strategic consequence of a billion plus population in a nation with hundreds of millions of subsistence farms is China and India? When you fuck with the hand that feeds you and prance around with Russian dicators that claim to target the USA and EU with nuclear weapons whole screaming about armageddon? Famine and no aid. Enjoy.

Great powers my well fed white ass.

>>64481256
A Taiwan Strait conflict is going to be decided in a couple of weeks, there is not enough time to maneuver multiple CBGs to the South China Sea. There will likely only be 2 carrier groups available when and if this war kicks off. Maybe 3 if we are lucky. Those 3 carriers are going to host <50 F-35s, and these 50 are going to be forced to shoulder the burden of both a significant share of the CAP against stealth aircraft escorted Chinese H-6s and also a significant share of the strikes against Chinese targets that are not LRASM. What you are saying about a blockade only makes sense in the context of a several months long war, as even if we cut off the Chinese completely they will not starve out in only a couple of weeks.

>>64481151
>We don't really have anything else to hit them with, it's pretty much only Tomahawk and Dark Eagle/LRHW
This is your brain on thirdie TEL fixation. American aerial platforms can actually ingress and deliver strikes anywhere in the world in under 24 hours with 4x the volume of all ground and sea based launchers.
>>64481282
>there is not enough time to maneuver multiple CBGs to the South China Sea
and you are assuming that the Chinese can build up the unprecedented million personnel and tens of thousands of vehicles and ships for half a year that will be required to take Taiwan and the US will just idly sit by and watch it happen?

>>64481282
The CCP wonl;t go to war, this militarism shit is domestic propaganda to defect from it's imloding economic status on the ground, including begging protests from people who have got no wages for up to a year and a vast selection of abandoned sky scrapers, ghost cities and road and infrastructure projects.

Communist China failed to make the grade so now it goes back into its regular famine and failed state box which is all it ever was until the US gave it a chance to imporve itself out of charity. The total contribution of China or India to the modern world in food or energy output or their contribution to technologies like digital computing or communications or aviation etc. is exactly nothing. Bunch of retarded braggart svavages now in a world of hurt but they wonlt go to war because the corrupt gangsters that run such places have one talent, survival even it means their entire poulations suffer in the extreme and they know that they would be wiped off the face of the map if they take on civilisastion which at the moment is found only in the US, EU, UK and places like Australia, Japan, Cananda and South Korea, hopefully soon to be joined by places like Vietnam if it can grow out of the infantile nonsense that is single party dicatorships and jokes like strong men hindu nationalists fawing on two bit imperialists(China failed, India failed, Japan made it, South Korea made it).

>>64481282
China is on the long slow road back to regular starvation and warlords. They did it to themselves. They may as well talk about invading pluto while banging their chests. If at some point they are allowed have Taiwan it's becaiuse at that poinnt there is nothing in Taiwan anyone cares about and the Taiwanese are foolish enough to leave civilisation and decide to join the new century of humiliation and that's their business and their business alone.

>>64480947 (OP)
>all those drones violating Nork airspace
Emperor Kim is going to think that it's the Chinks finally trying to dethrone him and immediately nuke Beijing.

>>64481374
God please let this happen it would be so fucking funny.

>>64481386
>China's attempt at a multi-polar world order suddenly descends into a western coalition to save them from the Nork's wrath
imagine the sheer /k/ino

>>64481402
Imagine the casual warcrimes as both sides see the other as subhuman. World War Asia once the jeets (both) get involved would be so fucking fun.

>>64481408
I really hope they get involved and it ends with 90% of the jeets nuked

>>64481419
A man can dream it goes nuclear :) its just environmentalism

>>64481408
>2030
>CCP plan to reunify grorious Middle Kingdom begins
>sends drones out the wazoo to every western aligned country in the region
>violates Nork airspace without letting them in on the plan
>Jong-Un thinks it's finally happening, launches all five of his nukes at Beijing immediately and then invades Manchuria
>faces almost zero resistance as the servers hosting the chink hivemind are all destroyed in the nuking, only tiny pockets of resistance like the Liadong salient remain
>everybody with border and a grunge against the chinks starts carving the country-up
>Uyghur jihad ignites, ethnically cleanses Xinjiang of all Han and threatens Gansu with the support of the Taliban
>Hindus go fucking crazy, try to take literally everything they can, over-extends and gets checked by the Pakis, on the verge of escalating to nukes
>Mongolian ultra-nationalists and Russian schizo-dissidents start launching raids into northern China to try to start their own states, fights break out between each other and the Norks
>Vietnam has it own Vietnam in Southern China, as it tries to annex areas with large minority populations only for the minorities themselves to start chucking rocks at them when they try to collect taxes and shit
>America is initially gearing-up to clap the chinks shit in only to try to prop-up the tattered remains of the CCP to keep the country from falling into the hands of even bigger retard than they are
>all of the Asian allies are pissed that they're now trying to save the government that was just trying to kill them a second ago, fights break out constantly between them and the PLA remnants
it would be a shitshow of monumental proportions

>fighting china
>with dishonest engines
ror

>>64481024
Fucking idiot. China fought Japan to a standstill with minimal support during WW2. Thanks to them the Allies never had to fight the full forces of Japan.

>>64481572
You mean Taiwans army

>>64481572
implessive

>>64481572
Oh ling ling lmao

>>64481084
Your autistic chink rambling aside, the US has JSMs with a range of 350 miles, and they are integrated into the F-35.

>f35 carrying JSM
that's a good way to get the f-35 shot down at 400 miles

oh wait you meant literal "integrated" as in the f35 is suiciding bombing its target from 350 miles away.
I thought it has a range of 500 nm rmao

>>64481408
The best way for the US and EU to deal with it is just to support legitimate regional sepratism like the Sikhs and Mongols while treating the failed state regimes like the enemies they made themselves for chest thumping propaganda and wait for the saarinng and pls Mr. Plesident when the famines start and hang up the phone..their poulations deserve all the shit coming to them for worshipping that cunt Putin and his murder spree

>chinky is on his butthurt spamming spree again
Grim

>>64481555
>he’s still trying to use the shipping weight as a gotcha
>chinese claimed thrust numbers out of chinese made engines copied from 40 year old western and soviet designs using chinese metallurgy
You’re so canadian it hurts

>chinese metallurgy
yes <xichad.jpg>

>>64481664
>>64481671
Anything that could target a F35s or carriers would have been obliterated by strategic bombers you retarded savage. Given Chinas catestropic history of attempted warfare with civilisation and inexperience in it for a generation you ought to be hoarding rice under your floorboards and posting less if Chinas inept communist clowns make the epic mistake of dancing with the western devils for real. I remember wehen you idiots looked up to Russia as a great military power just a few years ago....and your military is just as much a dysfunctional corrupt mess just with less combat experience and even more untried and inferior larp weapons imitating badly the caucasians from civilisation vomit thrown in. Maybe you can all jump in your soviet relic carrier and fit it with oars to impress the world with the might of gommunism or are you going to roll out your scale model of a 1950s US carrier to impless us all? The real rare earth is arable land in China. See what han nationalism tastes like when your belly is sticking to your spine.

our resident chinkshill needs to get some new material

>>64481282
>A Taiwan Strait conflict is going to be decided in a couple of weeks
could it be... two weeks?

>>64480962
implessive

IMPLESSIVE!

>>64481710
Two weeks plus several thousand very hungry days. Let them eat plastic injection moulded cup holders.

>>64481572
chang, the nationalists, who were the ones doing the actual fighting, got their asses handed to them as late as 1944 by IJA. While IJN was being decimated on the seas.

your glorious emperor Mao was hiding in the bushes mean while sometimes even cooperating with japanese to fuck over the nationalists

>>64481710
>in the first 6 months I'll run wild, after that I'm over -t. IJA/USN admiral

>>64481698
>High performance computing: Low

>>64481313
>This is your brain on thirdie TEL fixation.
This.
>American aerial platforms can actually ingress and deliver strikes anywhere in the world in under 24 hours with 4x the volume of all ground and sea based launchers.
But anon, you don't understand. The [insert thirdie sooper cheep wunderwaffe] completely mogs and gimps US airpower 100%, so now that the fantasy parameters are set it means American air power being *the* deciding factor in any Pacific fight against China is totally irrelevant because propaganda says so.

>>64481698
>AI algos and hardware
>lead country: china
heh
>directed energy technologies
>lead country:china
lol, lmao
>advanced aircraft engines
>lead country: china
oh no no no... BWAHAHAHA

Has anyone else noticed a weirdly panicked/anxious/manic shift among thirdies as of late?
I could just be noticing it more because of the influx of thirdie-centric news lately, but it does seem like there's a weirdly shaky tone to the shilling lately.

>panicked/anxious/manic shift among thirdies
well yea. This is a US website.
Col Rodriguez is selling fuel because his SNAP ran out. He is not getting paid so he is shitposting on 4chin atm

>>64481803
Russia's internal stability is under a genuine threat right now as the refinery strikes show no signs of slowing and despite Trump's geopolitical dementia he very clearly isn't going to save Russia from this mess. China is probably also realizing right around now that it won't be ready to take Taiwan by 2028 and after that their demographic window for a major war will close forever
All in all, not a good year to be a shitskin

>>64481812
kys lmao

>>64481803
what you're seeing is the resurgence of multiple known schizophrenic/manic lolcows, one of them pretty new to /k/, whom is responsible for the unhinged toropetz ammo depot spam.
the other is a mentally ill chinkshill that has dedicated 2 years of his life to making shitty forced memes that only he uses which identify him instantly (the one in this thread), the other is the rapechink whom i think had a melty a week or so ago. there was also an indiana vatnigger sighting recently.

by not being a politically contrarian board and being about weapons, /k/ has unwittingly become the object of seethe of many obsessive compulsive posters on 4chinz who demand that the "west has fallen" narrative in their heads be taken seriously and that the only way to save le west is to rigorously suck off thirdie shitholes and champion the ones that they think have a chance of causing le multipolar world order as saviours that will help them not be fucking losers anymore if they take over.

>2028
i thought the CIA said it was 2027.
But Trump said Xi told him that China would not invade and Trump had a very big pennis.
All is good, private Gonzalez Tang. They are building 100s of landing ferries right now to move EV around. Dont worry about it ;)

>>64481829
this >>64481812
post being a good example, he tries so SO hard to sound smug, and yet it just comes across as incredibly forced, passive-aggressive and angry, he's somehow managing to fail at sounding smug in a completely literal medium with no sound or video.

>>64481698
Can they make ball-point pen balls yet?

im sowwee for posting chinese weapons on a weapon board and offending the feefee of the american peeeple

good question. Can the US make a ball-point pen yet?
>yes if they buy the mach...
ror

>>64481803
The main shitposters on /k/ are russia lovers aka vatniggers. They only moonlighting as low effort chink shill to cope with the humiliation russia is currently going through. But the writing is on the wall and even orange man decided to slap sanctions. So the vatnig butthurt keeps building up day by day

>>64481837
>i-i'm smug
>i-i'm posting w-weapons
>Y-YOU'RE MAD, NOT ME!!
>p-please ignore my shaky voice
you are mad by virtue of shilling and seething here, there is no way around this and it is impossible to hide it, angry and identified chinkshill.

>>64481846
>n-no u
you know the's chinkshill's deep into his melty when he pulls these out lol.
at the end of his wit, he kicks and screams
>N-NO U

>>64481846
We literally taught you how to make them Chang.

>>64481862
>inb4 he replies with "B-BUT N-NOW AMERICA IS D-DEINDUSTRIALIZED
chinkshills are so predictable lol.

that's a lot of coping for just a "No. The US cannot make ballpoint pen tip."
Of course, I am going to ask about the US capacity. We are not competing with Germany, Switzerland and Japan.
Still waiting for the f47 (kek)

>>64481829
>rapechink
you mean Chinkspammer? that guy is everywhere, not just /k/. I've seen him spam his shit everywhere from ultra-obscure alt-chans, to /his/, to kiwifarms, to wikipedia. I think he has some kind of web-scraping bot that looks-up keywords so he can spam the shit out of any thread that shit-talks China. Fucker's genuinely demented, has an obsession with an Iraqi in Sweden who i suspect might actually be fictional.

>>64481892
>that's a lot of coping
for a chinkshill, yes.
you cope on here like it's a dayjob, meaning you probably don't even have an actual job lmao.
>"No. The US cannot make ballpoint pen tip."
see the fun part of thirdie cope is that they keep trying to reverse shit like this which doesn't work.
yes, the US can in fact make those, chinks and assorted thirdies struggle with it however.

you can't just flip everything that makes you really angry on it's head and expect it to work chinkshill, that's why saying "2 more weeks" as a thirdie shitholer is a self-own, yet you are unable to learn and keep doing it.

>>64481830
2027/2028. It's very clear that 2027 is a complete pipe dream, considering it's just over a year from now so chinks would have to start the final military buildup in just a couple months. If it's going to happen, it will have to coincide with the 2028 presidential elections for maximum turmoil

>>64481902
on here, the schizophrenic shill that's having a meltdown in this thread is known as the chinkspammer, and the guy who vomits out entire word documents to cope with his jap granddaddy is generally referred to as rapechink.

Is the chinaman strategy here to just be too baffling to engage?

>AMELICANS NO HAVE SHOES
>...what?
>ARR AMELICANS, NO SHOES. LUN ALOUND BALEFOOT. CHINA, MAAANY SHOES. AMELICA, NO SHOES AT ALL. CHINA STRONG.

>>64481892
Hey man I thought you should know there's somebody on here that's been imitating your posting style to post really gay shit, you should get a tripcode ASAP otherwise people might think the other guy is you

Any global south bullshit shithole that supported Putin must and shall be gently erased from history or reverted to a medieval society and left rot. Let lessons be learned. The future of mankind is not going to be treatened by turdie bullshit or communists.

>>64481892
>We are not competing with Germany, Switzerland and Japan.
You are now Putin buddy. You're fucking communists or did you forget about your major malfunction numbnuts?

>>64481926
>the guy who vomits out entire word documents to cope with his jap granddaddy is generally referred to as rapechink.
yeah that's the guy i'm talking about. He was originally christened the chinkspammer back when /his/ was his main haunt. I think the jannies there started to aggressively prune any post he made, so he migrated here.

>>64481942
>chinkspammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAuU5IyJWIE

>>64481942
>chinkspammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB0bG_nAMLQ

>>64480971
Pearl Harbour was sound strategically, they just got unlucky with the carriers + didn't hit the fuel dumps. Furthermore, the shipbuilding advantage which was America's true advantage during WWII will be with the Chinese this time round.

>>64480947 (OP)
>These remain a serious threat to an adversary in the Western Pacific
As evidenced by all the warships they've destroyed.

>>64481929
it's actually very in line with general chink behaviour, refer to >>64481919
their first instinct when they have been angered by a truth or reality about china that upsets them, is to copy what was said, replace "china" with "US" and hope it magically works (it doesn't)
even when it comes to shilling or comebacks, chinks and their western contrarian shills really REALLY can't innovate or be original, their best bet is to throw what you throw at them back, despite it not making any sense the other way around.

>>64481953
>Pearl Harbour was sound strategically,
yeah? think harded you slant eyed fuck.

>>64481957
>evil cannot create, only corrupt and ruin

>>64480973
I'm a mere frog in a well, can you explain for me oh enlightened young master?

>>64481975
china will be blockaded within the first week lol, they'd better get ready to cook and eat those shaheds.

>>64480947 (OP)
>hereafter referred to as the Allies
lel

>>64481985
>chink tarded

>>64481953
ship building advantage applies in a war that lasts years.
This one will be strategically decided withing a month, perhaps as little as a week.
The world is small now.
Ships had to sail weeks and get within a few miles of the enemy, or planes 150 or so, to strike. There was weeks or months between major engagements. Fleets had to be found via painstaking air search. Today strikes can be flown from land bases and attack enemy home ports directly within hours. Ships are continuously tracked via satellite. Strategic surprise is functionally impossible.

In a war between the US and China one sides navy will be decisively crushed within a week and after that infrastructure will be targeted mercilessly. Mind you only one side is capable of doing this to the other.
China has NO CAPACITY AT ALL to strike the mainland US outside of Nuclear ICBMs and if they use those they get glassed immediately in reply. All they can do possibly is strike forward bases, but even that assumes a level of tactical surprise they are unlikely to achieve. There are too many bases dispersed to widely and we are in the process of activating more. China would have to pull a pearl harbor style attack on multiple facilities and fleets simultaneously to even progress to step two of any plan, and they'd have to do so with a Navy that has ZERO combat experience. That has never flown a combat sortie off a carrier. in 1941 Japan had a without a doubt the finest carrier strike pilots in the world. And they were not enough to pull such a decisive attack off. They fumbled it on ONE target.

The only way that ship building advantage plays is in the case of an immediate mutual kill on both fleets, which is an obscenely unlikely scenario because even if the Chinese manage a round one win with a green fleet against veterans with 70 years of Total naval dominance and accumulated operation knowledge, the US has other options to strike the Chinese Navy and mainland facilities.

>>64481929
you say that but I'm convinced that a society of flip flops and crocs is a lesser society

>>64481979
How will you get there if it takes a week to sail from Hawaii to Manila when most of the USN is elsewhere?
How will you sustain a blockade - by putting your ships in range of all their ASBMs too?
And if you do, how will it stop a million Shaheds from flying out of hidden depots in the Chinese interior in this scenario?

>>64481997
I'm pretty sick and tired of the shahedcope.
Drones are high level threats. Shaheds are shit against any halfway decent air defense. Both can be true at the same time.

>>64481997
China is already blockaded.
Thats what the first Island chain is all about.
Malacca closed, land bases told to sortie and start sinking things.
Manta rays activated.
Submarines given the Red = Dead light

>>64480947 (OP)
What is this idiocy? A sovereign nation attacking four sovereign nations at once is a great way to put the big fat L on fast track.
You attack Japan or South Korea and the USA is going to declare war. Suddenly, India pulls out of BRICS, your trade lines are blockaded, nothing is getting in or out of China, your people are all either starving or moved to total war footing, and you run out of resources within the year while the USA does to you what they did to Japan before the nukes dropped.

>>64482006
Very low quality post. This made me polish my Guam Express missile posters.

>>64482016
Ah, but have you considered that they make more trinkets than you? Checkmate, idiot.

>>64481997
A million shaheds are going to cause some damage, but the damage isn't going to be war ending. Meanwhile, a far more capable military is going to be launching real munitions at your very vulnerable, very critical infrastructure, and you have no way to defend against it.

>>64481997
>how will you get there
we are already there, all the chokepoints that chink trade travels through are ours.\
>h-hidden depots
lol lmao

>70 years veteran
well they sure operate like 70 yo kek

>>64482019
>Guam Express
more like chink distress given how pathetically few chinkfeng missiles there are compared to the number of interceptors Guam and its surrounding ships carry.

>>64482034
>more impotent chinkshill seethe
lol, you're mad, and you posting here is proof of it.

>>64482027
Will they be making more trinkets than me when a tomahawk missile lands in one of their largely undefended coal mines and sets it on fire for the next 200 years?

>>64482050
which californian mines do they chinese own?

>>64482055
All the ones in inner mongolia

>>64481319
Honestly don't relax too much my friend, i thought the same thing about Russia but here we are you just need one brainless person on top to start shit, and by looking at China I would be surprised if Xi does something stupid

>>64482050
They have more electricity and more robots than us, not to mention more air defense, so yeah, they will.

>>64482059
This is such a retarded metric. How will they make them when they have been bombed out? How many strategic stealth bombers do they have?

>>64482043
>spamming, shilling and seething as a chinkshill here means you are mad
yes, you could come here as a normal board user, but you don't have any guns and your only obsession with /k/ is that we know more about military matters than you and it invalidates silly contrarian westfallen schizo nonsense.

>>64482059
>us
lmao
>more air defense
that will fail harder than russian crap it's based on

>>64480947 (OP)
vely implessive, considel me demolarized! the west has farren and china wirr read the new murtiporal wolrd!
>>64482059
>more electricity
yeah good one. hey remind me again how much of their energy needs are supplied by fossil fuels?
>more robots
hey, someone post some of the grorious chinese lobots webms, especially that one with the bot just autistically spazzing on the floor.
>us
mhm

>>64482059
>they have more electricity
and?
>and more robots
and?

thirdies going
>B-BUT MUH MANUFACTURING
doesn't actually work in reality
>superior american navy annihalates chink navy
>don't worry, with out superior robutts we will rebuild them in 5 years and be ready t-ACK
china is not the US in ww2 sending boatloads of manufactured goods to a faraway conflict, all of it's high tech manufacturing is getting surgically bombed first thing in the morning.

>>64482071
>bot just autistically spazzing on the floor.
please anon that bot was not malfunctioning it was practicing is "US official visits Tainwan while entire chinese coastal defense network is jammed" response.

>>64482064
It's cute you think the US will be "bombing out" Chinese infrastructure instead of scrambling to rescue survivors from multiple dead CSGs. It's a very 1990s kind of boomerism - mentally trapped in a world where the US was in a new paradigm and the rest of the world wasn't, instead of a world where chips are dirt cheap and the US national debt is 38t.

>>64482059
If I were to plan for total war against China, I'd attack their shipping lanes first, then their oil refineries and power plants, and then their coal mines.
The Chinese can't directly attack US infrastructure, so they're at the mercy of a far more experienced and motivated enemy.
The Chinese are also amateurs, testing American cybersec in peacetime.

The "anti-chink" (read: anti American defense establishment) brigade has started mass reporting posts which hurt their butts.
Truly k is the new reddit.

>>64482079
Its cute you think the US doesn't have 11 carrier strike groups and dozens of airbase to launch B2s from. Plus if you kill one of us 10 more will come to skullfuck you. You don't fuck with America's boats.

>>64482079
>NOOOO BUT MUH FANTASIES
no lol, you're just going to lose, and after that happens your cope about manufacturing won't matter either.
>mentally trapped
you're mentally trapped in the multipolar delusion, because you are a dejected contrarian who INSISTS that le western century is over and it's china's turn.
reminder that you only believe these things because you are a loser and you think you won't be a loser anymore if china miraculously takes over. (hint, you'd still be a loser)

>>64482079
We'd be doing both simultaneously, and also we made over $30 trillion last year, meanwhile the Chinese debt is over 300% of its GDP and China constantly keeps its economy afloat through debt spending.
This is why they're building such a massive military, and not an invasion on Taiwan. If China stops spending their economy backspins.

And a ping pong to you too han mutt

>>64482079
>>64482088
Just because some uptight janny can't stand your contrarian ass doesn't mean that the others care enough to report you about it

>>64482088
Reddit loves communism and China, you'd fit right in

>>64482079
>US national debt
chink shilling shitskins really do know nothing about stones and glass houses, don't they?

>>64482088
>NOOOOOO I'M NOT SHILLING YOU ARE
refer to the conversation above you're doing it again chinkshill, no u isn't effective, it doesn't work, you have to actually be original (scary!)

>>64482089
There's the 1990s boomer chestbeating I'm talking about. You're shouting down the analyses of the very men who would be fighting the chinese as "chinkshills" because they take their jobs seriously while you haven't adapted to the post Windows 95 world.

US debt owners will let 1 billion.chinks die before their property becomes worthless

>>64482088
>I suck commie chinkoid cock and openly despise America, that makes ME the True American Patriot!
Convincing stuff.

>>64481819
Why would it close after 2028?

>>64482105
implessive, i am now demoralized and ready to surrender taiwan to west taiwan and my third chinese girlfriend to chinese "men"

>>64482105
What part of we are going to bomb you to the stone age if you start shit do you not understand? You have no way to protect yourself from a US missile chimpout.

The US has been preparing to deal with nuclear war for longer than the communist retard "country" this fool simps for has been around.

>>64480947 (OP)
US should just "help" Taiwan get nukes at this point, flip the fucking chess board and let the Chinese seethe over it while sitting their sudden excess of barges.

>>64482105
Yes, the worst scenario wargames that places an 80% chance of US victory with 2 CSGs worth of Naval and Air assets lost as a failure simply because that the US is very risk averse and anything less than a curbstomp rape a is unacceptable? The one where China's entire Navy and Air Force is obliterated?
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/230109_Cancian_FirstBattle_NextWar.pdf?VersionId=XlDrfCUHet8OZSOYW_9PWx3xtc0ScGHn

>>64482122
China is over 5000 years old, a scale of time that most USians cannot image.

>>64482112
You really are stupid. Never go full boomer.

>>64480947 (OP)
The CCP have played it safe for over 50 years, They will not launch an invasion of Taiwan. Most likely they will pursue financial dominance, place useful agents in positions of power and force a political union.

>>64482105
>brazen angry chinkshill thread
>slinks back to
>n-nooo i'm just trying to be helpful
you're not fooling anyone.

>>64482145
>financial dominance
yeah, about that.
https://xcancel.com/wstv_lizzi/status/1984922663496646767

>>64482144
>boomer is when you recognize how impotent and worthless china is both in military and their shilling

>>64482109
chinese demographics are completely fucked and so is their infrastructure pyramid scheme. In a few years the largest cohorts of their population will age out of being useful in a war

>>64482145
What they should do, and what they fail to do is play nice with the west. China can rise on its own power without acting as belligerents.
When Russia fails, the west could have supported a Chinese claim over Siberia.

>>64482078
call it whatever you want, you know the one I'm talking about

>>64482109
their demos are in a fucking death spiral with zero (0) hope of a timely recovery for the next two generations easy (see >>64482158 ), assuming the course correction starts NOW (it has not)
they haven't recovered from one child all those years ago and the coof was the nail in the coffin, there is not 1.4 billion chinkoids alive atm, even 1bil is a dubious claim, and far less are fighting age men
not to mention the unbearable toll losing all that manpower for the war effort would take on their crumbling economy

>>64482144
pretty sure they deleted your shit for being laughably wrong

>>64482145
The CCP is pretty much just the confucianism-driven imperial bureaucracy put in charge of everything. As such, they will do exactly as you said, they're perfectly content with foreigners "paying tribute" to them in the form of dividends and trade surpluses.

>>64482158
Also their entire economy is fucked. They somehow managed to go from 300% debt to 330% debt in one year since the tariffs started. Now they are trying to offset their property market that somehow continues to deflate by trying this '5 year plan' that involves selling chinesium to third world countries at negative profit margins to try and lock them in to chinkshit.

>>64482175
Just more doubling down on the same bad policies. B&R was supposed to keep their people working debt trapping low-income countries in Africa and selling them military hardware on credit which Zimbabwe or whoever can just default on and tell the Chinese to pound sand, and that's what has been happening.

>>64482158
>>64482170
>>64482175
All they need to do is euthanize everyone over 60 and then institute a Logans Run thing for everyone reaching 60(party officials exempt ofc) and suddenly their demographics look fine. I believe in China, they can recapture that old spirit.

>>64482175
Keep in mind only countries that have not enacted tariffs on China account for only 15% of the world's GDP. Of course that does not mean that they can't sell at all but going all in on exports is retarded when all you have to do is allow people to spend but that means the CCP has to give up power to Chinese citizens. Military spending of $450b (CSIS source, Chinese numbers are fake) growing by 7-8% annually despite the economy hard plateauing and averaging 5% growth since the coof in 2020.

Chinese drones hitting the Philippines means those Typhons get launched towards the Three Gorges Dam

>>64482207
>Typhons
TELs are a meme.

>>64482207
Noooo dont you know supeliol ching chong ad actuarry wolks unrike cheap amelikkkan galbage

damn the janny got buttmad. You are literally not getting paid AND your SNAP just got cut lmao

>>64482200
if they can come up with the systems and infrastructure to euthanize 2-300 million people without the entire fucking country simultaneously imploding and exploding I will genuinely be very impressed

>>64481024
>communist party that hangs up pictures of Karl Marx and Mao
Ironically, Maoism is quite unpopular in China. There are probably more Maoists in the West than in China. Among the Chinese communist intelligentsia, Mao is seen as a peasant who was necessary to win the Civil War, but his theories are considered retarded. Engels and Bukharin are much more popular with in the CCP leadership, But the average Chinese don't give a shit about either Communist theory.
>>64482174
It's really not, It's leaders likely despise Chinese society and Chinese people more then anyone here

>>64482221
We saw how badly they managed the coof so I think them nuking themselves would be less harmful

>>64482221
Infrastructure? They dont need it to kill themselves in droves. See all of chinese ancient history and also the sparrows

>>64482201
I could go on with the demographic shit,
Expats are down -80% from peaks, tourism is down, FDI is down, tourism OUT of China is up, saving and spending OUT of China is up.
There won't be a collapse unless Xi chimps out and invades Taiwan and shreds the entire PLA and any semblance of the CCP's grip on it's population into nothingness but it's fucking grim.

>>64482227
>its leaders likely despise Chinese society and Chinese people more than anyone here
I mean, wouldn't you? not only having to coexist with several hundred million imbecilic, soulless bug-serfs but rule them too? being the intelligentsia tasked with enacting policies refined enough to withstand high scrutiny while also being straightforward enough that the retarded masses won't lynch you for must be a miserable existence

>>64482229
>>64482244
well sure, broad methods like those would be easy to enact, but they aren't good enough; you ONLY want to target the elderly, can't have those working/fighting-aged slaves die on you too or you won't be able to produce anything or fight anyone
something that can manage that specific subset of the population and nothing else would take some concerted effort, but then again, who knows, maybe they'll find a way.

>>64482252
didn't they literally ban people from converting more than like, a grand's worth of CNY to USD/ForEx every year because there were generalized bank runs?

>>64482145
>the CCP
no, deng did.
xi has thrown all of that out of the window now, yes, china stopped being careful and failed to realize that their economy is still mostly based on doing other country's dirty laundry. which can be retracted at any time.

>>64482219
>damn, i got my retarded ass handed to me
>THEY must be mad
you are mad by virtue of being on this board where you normally aren't and coming here purely to shill, normal people just don't do that, hell, even trolls don't do it with the regularity and obsessive repetition that you people do.

>cashless society
>bank run
westoids are truly primitive kek

>>64482230
>chinkshills seething here means they are mad
yes

>>64482170
>not to mention the unbearable toll losing all that manpower for the war effort would take on their crumbling economy
that's an extremely important point too. Imagine that the chinks take 10% casualties in these younger cohorts trying to LEEEROOOYYY JEEENKIIIINS over the Taiwain strait, and those same cohorts breed below replacement rate. It's going to leave a dent more visible than what WW2 did to soviet demographics

>>64482285
>chinkshill so scared yet angry that he's too scared to even directly reply to anyone anymore
this isn't reddit, chinkshill, (you)'s are not updoots.

oh i do come here often for some weapon discussion tho.
More weapon: here 70 years veteran in action. Idk why janny deleted it. Can't we post weapon anymore?

>>64482264
It already is. The recent REE chimpout was just one of the first of many that will make even eurocuck economies move away from Chinese manufacturing. They still have 'leverage' on short term shit like gallium, titanium, but all it will do is make the entire world develop alternative supply chains and forever remove any monopoly China may hold.

>>64480962
>>64481009
now i wish i was born chinese

why do I need to reply to schizo when you are gonna @me anyway?
That's call efficiency with chinese characteristic.
More weapon: the currently best fighters in the world in that order (6th gen not included)

>>64482285
this is the best thing you could come up with after half an hour of frantic research once the big boys started talking about things that matter?

>>64482289
why don't you invade taiwan right now then chinky? if china is so implessively stlong, surely you can kick the door in and bring the whole rotting house down?
Seriously. Try it. I need you to chimp out right now. Try it. Try it right now, invade Taiwan. I need >>64482304 to be real

>>64482285
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Henan_banks_protests
I don't think I even need to add anything L-Mao

>>64482289
nevermind the fact that even their slags don't want to fuck chinese men and charge them ludicrous sums in dowry, even if they didn't all die on the beaches they'd still fail to reproduce

>>64482304
I am not >>64482291 lol
god I always find it amusing in a surreal way, that I'm typing at someone who is sweating their ass off in a shitty, poorly-ventilated office and is being paid pennies an hour to just type random shit and claim victory the moment ANYTHING happens in their shill thread on a tibetan throat-singing forum

>>64482319
think you got 'em flipped lol

>>64482319
oops, quoted shit in the opposite order. You get what I meant chinky, fucking try it

>>64482304
>w-why do i need to reply
you're already doing so, your redditbrain has simply misinterpreted (you)'s as updoots, because well, you're not very smart
>schizo
>schizophrenic pro-chink spammer that wastes all his free time seething on an imageboard instead of refining his hobbies, getting a job, or spending time with friends and family
>gets angry when he's called a schizo
>once again not creative enough to do anything other than use the words used against him.
hilarious.
>6th gen not included
china has not actually built a 6th gen though
>B-BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS THING IS A 6TH GEN
nobody cares lol

there is a lot of shit that I am not willing to unpack. Bank run was the lowest hanging fruit.
>research
ror

>>64482319
the funniest thing is that the flipped quotes work because china cannot into 5th, much less 6th gens

>>64482330
>n-not willing to unpack
cute cope, you simply don't know what you're talking about, are angry, but scared of direct confrontation because you know you'll get annihilated in a non-evasive conversation.

(protip: making teeny tiny little posts does not come across as unbothered or smug, you're still posting here, you're still shilling here, you're still angry, and everyone can tell)

>>64482304
sad

>>64482304
>@chingchongnipnong
implessive
>thats call
>the currently best

>>64482400
I don't even get why they're trying to brag about 1 gazillion shaheeds crossing hundreds of miles of open ocean when Iran spent nearly all of its actual ballistic missile stockpiles with next to zero success in a far more difficult to defend environment

>>64480947 (OP)
suicide drones indeed

>>64482425
and that's not even mentioning that was done without all of the cheapass anti-drone solutions coming out now like APKWS
>chinks throw out a swarm of 500 shitheads
>2 flights of 6 F16's loaded with APKWS whittle them down to nothing before they even get anywhere near their target.
the economics of drones very quickly turn on their head when you consider how impotent each individual one actually is as a weapon and how cheap the dedicated designs built to fight them are getting.

>>64480947 (OP)
These take such a long time to get where they're going the US military will have time to physically move their inventory off-base and get personnel to safety, meanwhile, China will have just fucked themselves in the ass with a declaration of war against Japan, The USA, South Korea, and the Philippines.

>>64480947 (OP)

I wonder if Xi would offer Trump a trade deal. In exchange for allowing China to "finish their civil war" without interruption Xi agrees to send half of the chip machines to the USA along with the plans to manufacture them, and agrees to not sell the chips other than for domestic use giving the USA the global chip dominance that Taiwan previously had while China still retains the ability to create them for themselves and get Taiwan absorbed into mainland China. It's one hell of a deal with the devil but with how much Trump loves trade deals getting an instant almost monopoly on high end chips globally he might actually consider it.

>>64482465
Americans aren't stupid, Taiwan is just the first step to China's SCS dominance. The Chinese want everything from pole to pole. Siberia, Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand.

>>64482465
It's not about the chips lmao. The US had practically zero foundries before the CHIPS act and now is poised to produce 20% of advanced chips before the end of the decade. And what leverage do you think the Chinks have when purely western companies like ASML and IMEC are the ones making the machines?

>>64482465
>Xi agrees to send half of the chip machines to the USA along with the plans to manufacture them
European companies manufacture those machines using American patents you retarded monkey

>>64482531
>american patents
no lol
some of it is european, some of it is american, but it is 100% impossible for the US to build the higher end ones without europe's involvement.

>>64482594
and that is the beauty of the free market and actually having strategic allies

>>64482594
It's Zeiss lenses, ASML patents which are American, American lasers, and Neon gas from all over.

>>64482003
Yeah? And the Iron Dome was impenetrable, one of the most complex ADA networks in the world, backed by US intelligence collections. And then a bunch of Iran backed goat fuckers beat it after shelling it for a fucking week. Funny how that fucking works.

>>64481572
>minimal support
Lol ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers

>>64480957
>A2AD
>Shaheds
Tourists go home

>>64481024
>The Chinse people with no historical exception are terrible at war
Oh yeah?! What about [mostly legendary war from the Bronze Age], [modern war that the rest of the world agrees wasn't a Chinese victory], and [war that was Chinese on Chinese]?

>>64481055
>"A team of American military analysts wrote this article"
>look inside
>written by Anglofirstname Anglolastname who has a stock image for a pfp and no biographical information listed
yeah.jpyeahg

>>64481991
Crocs are comfy.

>>64481282
>A Taiwan Strait conflict is going to be decided in a couple of weeks
Would you say that all China has to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse and in 3 days they'll be home by Christmas?

>>64482942
What is it with thirdies putting weapons systems on some magic pedestal so then they can act surprised when volume outweighs pK?

>>64482942
yeah

>>64482088
Have you tried not being an insufferable passive aggressive little bitch?

This thread is so weird. Clearly no one here is active duty US military. Just a buncha fuds who RP. Fucking weird.

>poised to produce
<jpeg 6th gen waiting noise>

>>64482264
As far as completely unforced errors go, Xi's decision to openly reveal his masterplan somewhere between 1 1/2 and 3 decades before he could start enacting it is right up there with Monke's wild ride.

>>64483173
To add, the PLARF doesn't even control the A2AD, more commonly called IADS, that's the PLAAF. This entire thread is just so fucking stupid.

>>64483173
Soldiers tend to respect their enemies because they have to put lives on the line against them. Taking them seriously is common sense.
Civilians, especially pro-military civilians, tend to deride the opposition out of reddit-esque tribalism - the tribe chanting its stronger louder means its stronger in their minds, so anyone taking a military conflict seriously is an enemy in their minds. Jingoism.

It's even worse here because of the ego conflict. After years of chestbeating about how NATO kicked Russian ass with old stuff, the prospect of a peer the West actually has to work to compete against rankles. gkng

>>64483215
Excellent points. I do kinda laugh at the Russia thing. They seem to have more magazine depth than either the US or NATO and now we've essentially run out of old stuff to give. Where's the chest thumping now?

>>64482285
>there's no bank run because you aren't able to convert your account into physical currency in the first place
I'm sure this will reduce panic should people begin to question whether the banks are solvent and they won't just skip straight to believing that the currency itself is worthless.

>>64482296
We've reached the stage of the meltie where his English skills have started noticeably declining.

>>64483219
>We

>>64483173
>>64483215
I fully believe you are two different people.

>>64483226
they can believe whatever they want. Money is a jewish construct. Industrial capacity, electricity, concrete, REE, solar, EVs etc. are real.
Of course they can draw cash to wipe ass with because no one accepts cash in China lmao
Picrel. 700 Billion dollars printed a month for 10 years. Inflation at 0.1%.

>>64483173
>>64483215
>>64483219
Saar I am John Masala in the USMC from Miamibai saar

> >>64483246
to add, GDP means jackshit now. Xi can print money indefinitely without any consequence because of how much PHYSICAL shit they produce. Look at those limp dick westoids lmao.
>reserve currency
>cannot print 100 billion dollar worth of shit before get fucked by inflation in the ass
hahaha

>>64483255
>>64483240
Sorry but that is a different guy.

>>64483234
Yeah, hence why threads like these are weird as fuck. Just loud racists who can't form coherent thoughts yelling. And here I am, possibly in the shit soon, and actually worried about these things.

Oh and IAF lost to PAF 6-nil. Fucking dorks.

>>64483246
>>64483258
>It took the chinkshill 4 hours to do research during which he forgot to do his little 'I don't care facade' and the end result just shows that he doesn't even understand basic economics
Indescribably grim.

>>64483255
>Relying on chatgpt to think
Please end your life.

>>64483262
Can you please stop larping, you cousin fucker? It's so fucking painfully obvious that you're a shitskin. No US service member, much less a random anon, gives a shit about saars flinging shit at each other.

>>64483271
This is what I mean. It's just weird. "No one cares about modern air forces fighting one another." Like did /k/ set an inverse age limit where you have to be at least 15 but no older than 25? And your posts must contain at least two slurs?

Weird weird weird. I don't remember /k/ having this many losers.

i accept your concession btw. Enjoy. Say hello to your """""chinese"""" monkey for me, Alex.

>>64483278
NTA but

ME CHINESE
ME NO NICE
ME GO PEE PEE IN YOUR RICE

>does not deny being called out
>goes on a tangent of some random anglosaxonname.jpg
Pottery.

>>64483283
Honestly this makes me happy since it's not just random slurs blasted out by an angry teen. Thank you.

>>64481009
Sheeeeesh. Do these Chinese programmers want a green card?

>>64480947 (OP)
>All the retards in this thread assuming that a hot war when the same didn't happen for Ukraine
What is more likely to happen
>US gives military aid to Taiwan
>But this aid cannot be delivered easily
>Most of Ukrainian aid has to be moved by trains from Eastern Europe
>Taiwan's oceans will turn into contested waters and blockaded
>The air space will become contested as well
>If the Us takes the risk, expect a lot of it to end up at the bottom of the ocean

>>64483339
Brainlet take conflating the two.

>>64483346
Yes, Ukraine is the far more serious of the two
>Taiwan is a limited objective China has consistently stated
>Putin's objective in Ukraine is fuzzy, and in practice just propaganda for the unlimited objective of expanding westward into former Soviet states and beyond
>Putin is advancing on the whole of NATO, Ukraine will act as a stepping stone for future expansion. There's nothing past Taiwan to expand into
>China has a far larger economy, the impact on sanctions would be far larger
>China has a far greater ability to wage war than Russia
>The US is interested in Ukraine for political objectives, but interested in Taiwan for chip making
>Chip making is already being offshored to the US, Xi would easily offer the US tech transfers, personnel transfers and continued supply of chips for non intervention

>>64483418
>Xi would easily offer the US tech transfers, personnel transfers and continued supply of chips for non intervention
Stupid fucking nigger, you were already told earlier in the thread that China nor Taiwan has shit to do with making the chips. It all comes from European companies with American patents. Everything else you say can be disregarded because of this.

>>64483435
I don't know if you're pretending to be retarded but
>Chip production is a complex international system
>Europe specifically has control of the lithography machines and certain special parts like mirrors
>Taiwan controls the vast majority of the know how to translate plans to reality with those machines through TSMC
>Whatever cope you say, 90% off the high end chips manufactured today are made in Taiwan
Every latest Nvidia GPU, Apple chip, ARM, etc are all made by TSMC. They RECENTLY started to try offshoring production to the US. And if you could read, this also reinforces my point that with each passing day the US has less reason to intervene and would have a greater cost

>>64483418
>There's nothing past Taiwan to expand into
lamo

>>64481282
What's going to happen is the US is going to get credible evidence of a rehearsal and you're going to see along with the rest of the world just how long it takes to maneuver 15,000 marines into theater and ready another 15,000 with arms, food, and armor onto a contested island where the Chinese think they're going to be making the first move. By the time Chinese boots touch down they're going to realize they're trying to take muh island from the goddamn United States Marine Corps.

you are welcomed to station in Taiwan. Just give the bull back home a head up to comfort your wife.

>>64483506
>you are welcomed to station in Taiwan. Just give the bull back home a head up to comfort your wife.
Try to english more better lmao

no i will do it less better

>>64483522
We know you do

>we
<monke noise intensified>

>>64483542
I imagine cognitive function tanks a bit after shilling for so long, stay mad schizo

>>64483418
god DAMN you are one stupid nigger.
>Ukraine will act as a stepping stone
>Ukraine only for political objectives
>Taiwan only for chips
>nothing past Taiwan to expand into

>>64483481
Even assuming the US happy put boots on the ground when republicans are bickering for years whether to give Ukraine artillery, that shit cuts both ways. The US would have to mass and rehearse for a costal defense. Except it's going to be much slower and much more obvious because the US is on the wrong side of the Pacific ocean.

>>64483566
>he thinks theyd leave from the us

>>64483262
>I am US Private Johnny Comemarchinghome and I am very concerned about dying in a hopeless imperialist war against China which has built the superior Chengdu J-10C '猛龙' in innumerable quantities thanks to the ten thousand robot war factories established by the great foresight of Comrade Xi.
You are so incredibly bad at this.

>>64483418
>>Putin is advancing on the whole of NATO, Ukraine will act as a stepping stone for future expansion.
Yeah?

>>64483571
Regardless of where they leave from you can see troop movements. And you're pretty uninformed about the situation, so I'll explain it. China has been constantly rehearsing in all domains. Chinese fighters sortie around taiwanese airspace hundreds of times a year which Taiwan has to intercept. Navy ships constantly travel around Taiwan. Amphibious landings are constantly practiced on the Chinese coast near the Taiwan straits.

>>64482465
Not everything is chips dude, the US has its own interests and fears in the region and that deal would be the fastest way to alienate literally all of the allies you've spent decades courting and probably kick off a nuclear arms race

>>64483418
>>China has a far greater ability to wage war than Russia
The last time china was in a war was when they tried to invade Vietnam and got fucked so hard and fast they ran away immediately. China has a disasterous military hisory and until 2022 Russua was considered more powerful and still is more experieced. China only has combat experiece against its own unarmed civilians, it's an entire military of cherries lead by corrupt communist bureaucrats with a culture of inflating statists and clique nepotism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIiOdexIsAQ

>>64483605
And the reality is that there are two narrow windows where an amphibious landing will be successful in Taiwan, the USMC rehearses to put entire companies of men on islands with armor, hardened comms, and supplies for 15 days. If our boys are there, we'll have full support in the SCS in a week.
China thinks if they get 250k men on Taiwan they can take it over but all we need is 30k marines with supplies to hold it indefinitely.

>>64483593
At least this one avoided racial slurs. Mild upgrade I guess.

I can tell you are so far removed from any actual military that you don't even *know* active duty members IRL. Like this forum is clearly the closest you ever get to anything military. What medical waiver do you claim to avoid doing anything of merit for your country? Being a complete fucking loser?

Still weird to be called a larper on here by literal children.

>>64483566
>Except it's going to be much slower and much more obvious because the US is on the wrong side of the Pacific ocean.
Homie... just... I don't even know how to explain why this is stupid other than to say STRAC was formed in 1958 and until you familiarize yourself at even the most basic, cursory level with ANY part of the intervening seven decades of military history you've seem to have missed there's not much I can do.

>>64483633
Again bro, you're fucking terrible at this and need to stop because it's not working.

>>64482227
>more than anyone here
I would have bombed the dams back in 2022 and then sent in MIRVs to blanket the capital and coastal populations, you don't know the level of hatred and brutality I'm willing to enact on the world to fix this human course.

6-6.5 billion dead would just be the start of curing our cancer. The minimum necessity.

>>64483629
This is such a wildly stupid thing to say that it's hard to even reply to. China has a navy and air force and a ludicrous number of missiles that will kill anything logistics oriented before it lands. The closest marines will be landed is Luzon to dump fire into anything south of Taiwan. China has land attack cruise missiles, air launched cruise missiles, medium-, intermediate-, and short-range ballistic missiles out the ass that all range Taiwan easily while staying within the mainland. The current idea is to hope for China to not want to losses they'll encounter; there is no plan to win or fully repulse China being considered.

>I am US serviceman
>All I have said itt so far is that racism against Chinese people is very bad and that China has very many powerful capabilities that the US--- errr, I mean us---- I mean WE--- have no hope against for reasons which I have not elaborated on but definitely know because I am categorically not Chinkshill, who is actually very well informed about the things he talks about and could easily provided details about if I weren't so busy--- I mean if HE weren't so busy crying while spamming the same video of the F-35C launch that everybody laughs at him for --- I mean, at me--- NO WAIT I DID MEAN HIM

>>64483643
>China has a navy and air force and a ludicrous number of missiles that will kill anything logistics oriented before it lands.
It's hilarious you believe this brown anon. The second China engages a US carrier,
Beijing is gone and minutes later the rest of China follows it. Reality..

>>64483664
>Says he's active duty
>Uses we to refer to the military he's a part of

Again with the weird shit and racism. Just pretending everything is made of Chinesium. Whatever you do, continue to never speak to actual members of the military who are preparing for this.

>>64483665
Sure, general nuclear exchanges are a good idea. I'm sure America getting hit by hundreds of nukes after hitting China with hundreds of nukes is a victory in a conflict for an island that most Americans couldn't point to on a map.

>>64483643
Yeah right, China's going to have to start it's bombardment early and then oh hey look at all these great assets amassing on the beach I sure do home somebody doesn't launch a bunch of tomahawk missiles at them in retaliation.

>>64483690
Yeah and China will put it all in one spot with no air cover or air defense. And they won't put out a partial naval blockade prior to the conflict forcing the US to decide to start the war.

I could keep going but clearly you're like 17 max. You show you literally have no idea about anything when you say stupid shit like this.

>>64483690
>tomahawk
papi. Flying f18 into the beach would have a higher success rate (vs 0% chance)

>we we we
>please just give up and don't fight the mighty chink dragon please
>everything you have is perfectly countered please don't actually fight us I meant the chink
Classic

>>64483701
Ok Zhang and or Chang, Trump picks up the phone and tells Xi Jinping he's going to launch a nuke into Fujian if he doesn't knock it off.
Richard Nixon style.

>>64483733
TACO

Also imagining Trump knowing or even saying 'Fujian'? Lmao

Also the fact that this nigger is complaining about racism against chink, on /k/, on 4chan, is quite hilarious.

>>64481038
You have a point.
Still, while being desindustralized, the US is shitting 5 to 10 new military ships per year on a peacetime production. Among these, 1-2 sub and 1-2 destroyer per year, which is enough to maintain the current inventory of 60 subs and 60 destroyers.
They don't need more, considering what the rest of the world has.
In destroyers, China is building at double that rate. It's basically the same for subs. So if naval warefare wipped out both navies and all things remained as they are on the industrial front, China would quickly dominate the seas.
Of course, for this to be true, China must first wipe out the US Navy as it stands. It might : the japs, for all their retardation at strategy, got a few nice surprise punches in while going down. So why not gamble that China can surprise us ?
We don't because, so far, China has been utterly shit at naval operations while Japan had been doing offensive naval and oversea operations for close to three decades before they sucker punched the US and then overwhelmed most of the then-colonized South-East Asia.
China ain't Japan :
- It is an industrial juggernaught while Japan was still behind every single one of his enemies on that front. Si it won't quickly lack equipment to carry on.
- It lacks any military experience that is not "throw half a million dudes near out borders and repeat until the otherside lack the will to bleed". This doesn't translate well in naval warfare, which is much more about timing, precision, intelligence, technology and logistics than about raw numbers.

>>64481083
>The EU or US could break and occupy communist China in six months. They just can't be bothered.
You had to go too far, sadly.
Exagerations aside, you got the right idea : China is a threat because of what it may try and the destruction this will cause but it cannot change the statut quo through military conflict and it really missed a window of opportunity with Xi retardation.
But no, we cannot just conquer and occupy China in six months. Clearly the coastal cities alone would be a nightmare and, unlike previous opponents, China can afford to loose 100 dudes to get 1 western KIA and make us run out of dudes. And we ain't going back to conscription for occupying fucking China : that would ruin us.

>>64480947 (OP)
>PLARF
are they still called that? I thought they were renamed like a decade ago.

>>64483797
>5-10 ships a year
That's just about the maintenance numbers needed. In fact the most recent budget suggests the US fleet will shrink by ~8 ships over the next few years. And there is a bad incentive to have flashy headlines that say you added X ships when in reality maintenance cycles have been dragging longer and longer. Here's the reality
>The goal of having 75 combat ships deployed at any one time has not been achieved, ie less than 25% of the fleet is actually deployed
>The goal of 80% combat surge ready, ie having essential maintenance done, is planned to be achieved in 2027

Almost a decade of delaying maintenance in order to deploy shipyards to build flashy new ships is catching up. In a hot war it's going to be worse. A shipyard can do three things. Be building a new ship, maintaining an existing one or repairing an existing one. The US presently doesn't even have the ability to both maintain fleet sizes and maintain its ships properly.

>>64483687
Assuming a general exchange between USA and China is funny because we all know what the aftermath would be.
- China lose most of its cities, industries and productive people while the survivors are left going back to rice farming just to eat enough to live, knowing their numbers are going to shrink even more while every single neighbours and "allies" jump to carve a piece of land, with local governors thinking the warlords of Old had the right idea maybe.
- The US receives aid from the EU (yes, we will, let's not kid ourselves) while opening immigration to replace lost citizens. Since its navy is l'argent intact, it can just brown beat the thirdies into not trying something funny.

>>64483418
This entire post is so mind-bogglingly stupid, I'm almost tempted to think it's master-class bait. But my gut says it's genuine chingroid cope

>>64482003
>I can't argue with cold hard operational logic, so I'm declaring victory in this argument and going home.
>>64482006
>I'll totally be able to just do whatever I want once a war starts.
>>64481074
The only time Mig-25s fought F-15s the Migs won. It was during the Gulf War too, so in an environment of total enemy air superiority Mi-25s beat F-15s.

>>64483828
i honestly think there has to be a problem with how their branch names are translated into english, because i refuse to believe that someone, or potentially even a group of someones saw "People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force" and said "yeah that's good call the naval air arm that"

>>64483840
Don't forget that the imbalance of nuclear arsenal size (and delivery system efficacy) means that a large number, perhaps a majority, of major US cities will be completely spared, while china will be decimated in its entirety

>>64483851
>i honestly think there has to be a problem with how their branch names are translated into english
I don't speak chicken scratch, but from what I understand the word that gets translated as army is actually better translated as military, but army is still used for consistency with old translations.

>>64483831
You are missing the point.
Short-term, the current US Navy is enough to fight to PLAN and win.
Mid-term, the PLAN has a small window of opportunity so maybe it can try something but even so, it's just kicking a sleeping giant hoping it kills it or, at least, that it scare him enough into licking his wounds.
Long-term, according to budgets (which is your argument), the US Navy is building itself up.

But right now, it is perfectly able to confront an existing opponent.
Assuming the PLAN manage to sink all existing US ships, even by losing every PLAN ships, it wins, of course, because it can build back UP quicker.
But that's a lot of assumptions.

>>64483840
Yeah a nuclear exchange will definitely end in a decisive us victory. You pretty much have to nuke the entire western world (including japan, worst korea, taiwan and even mexico) to truly cripple the us. On the other hand what ever left of the chinese will have to fight off invading jeet horde, russian green men and the nork

>>64483867
>Win
My man even a hundred or so nuclear warheads would decimate the US.

>>64483876
>it would only take a hundred warheads to decimate the US
>the unparalleled masters of logistics
>the nation of famously low population density at both the macro and micro level
lol cute

>>64483885
Please just shut the fuck up and search the archives for the old Oppenheimer threads. Fucking newfags like you aren't entitled to an opinion.

>>64483866
Presently the US has a tonnage advantage. But not in the long term. The US is in peacetime - so is China. To give you a scale of Chinese shipbuilding, the net US navy tonnage is 3.4 million tons. Last year, Chinese shipyards collectively built 48 million tons. The US is not even building up shipyards in any meaningful way with respect to china. It has more modest and practical goals of increasing readiness and decreasing maintenance backlogs.

More accurately, the longer a naval war drags on, the more the naval balance of power will favor china. This is also currently true because PLAN is rapidly expanding.

>>64483893
And just how much of that tonnage was in little fishing boats?

>>64483885
Where did you get this idea? 80% of the US lives in urban areas.

>Unparalleled masters of logistics
Even a hundred nuclear warheads would annihilate every city. Half the population would be gone. Most telecommunications and internet would be destroyed. Most energy and oil. The financial system would collapse. Then suddenly every company can't pay for things - employees, suppliers, etc. In a nuclear war no one is going to invade. Why would you bother invading another radioactive wasteland?

>>64483896
Almost none. Virtually all are commercial cargo ships, then military ships.

>>64481024
>The Chinse people with no historical exception are terrible at war,

They made the US army skedaddle in an unscheduled manner in Korea more than once. Considering that they did it from a position of considerably technological inferiority, it was no mean feat.

>>64483891
Sorry chinky, you don't get to claim that your small arsenal of nukes will somehow magically turn the entire vast United States into a barren wasteland. That's too absurd even for your copium-fueled fantasies

>>64483903
>winning a couple of battles 80 years ago, with a massively lopsided casualty ratio
implessive

>>64481083
>They have gone and lent all their money to third world nations that will never repay it

Ah about that. The chinks lend dollars (of which they have an abundance of) to thirdies, with the stipulation that the loan is not to be repaid in dollars but in yuan. The thirdies use the dollars to pay off their IMF loans. And then, to get yuan, they need to trade with the chinks.

>>64483904
>Reee I'm a newfag but if I call you a chink that means I don't have to lurk moar and learn
Do as your told.

>>64483901
False
China builds 100000t - 200000t of military ships annually, sightly less than the US does
Thanks for playing though mr fisherman

>>64483919
>I don't want to respond to any of the claims, so I'll call you a newfag!
Brilliant plan, chang. Please continue avoiding a direct response, it will contribute to the bump limit

>>64481256
>a blockade of food and energy imports and economic collapse?

A war with China would see a collapse of the medical system in America because basic medications like blood pressure, anti coagulation, antibiotics, antihelmetics etc etc are imported from China. Without chink blood pressure medications, the entire boomer cohort in America will suffer a stroke and die within 6 months. Thats 40-50 million civilian casulties, right there. More would die in the following 18 months. You have no idea how easy it is to die if unmedicated if you are 50+, fat and have inelastic blood vessels. And look around you, how many 50+ americans does this not apply to? The probability of a cardiovascular death event increases exponentially with blood pressure. A normal death age for an unmedicated person in good health is like 65-70. With obesity, its 10-15 years less.

>>64483893
Not sure if you are reinforcing, agreeing or disagreeing with my arguments here.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the PLAN continuous growth.
- building a military ship is far more complex than a civilian hauling or fishing ship. There are a lot more bottlenecks there.
- to maintain a military ship and its crew cost money. A lot of money. Even if PPP applies for the most basic stuff, the PLAN has a much smaller budget than the USN
- ship building rate only matter if the war last long enough or the US losses roll quickly enough to allow the difference of time to buildup to matter.

>>64483927
>I'll say retarded shit, and when people call me retarded I'll demand explanations for obvious shit.
You don't need correction you need education. What you're wrong about is unimportant since you lack the context to even grasp reality. I told you where to get an education, but you decided to be butthurt instead. You're a newfag, you should lurk moar. I told you where to lurk, I did more than you deserved.

>>64483948
>he STILL can't say anything specific
It it's so retarded, you should be able to use your words to explain why. Could it perhaps be that you have no idea why you believe that a hundred nuclear warheads could decimate the United States? Could it be that you have no understanding of theoretical models of nuclear fallout/winter, and domestic systems to mitigate it? Or maybe you're just a chang who can't actually speak english, and just knows the 4chan buzzwords to discredit people who dare refute how implessive china's meager nuclear arsenal is?

>>64483633
Post guns, hand, MOS, and outlet. You won't cause you're a paki.

>>64483964
>You won't specifically tell me why believing the earth is flat is retarded
You won't get a specific answer because you're flailing in so many different retarded directions there is no one specific thing you are wrong on. I explained before, you don't need correction, you need education, and that's because you aren't just wrong, you're stupid.

>>64483633
Like a solid 3/4 of guys I knew in the Army were racist as fuck, including the Black dudes, who often fucking hate niggers too

>>64483978
I accept your concession.

>>64484015
I told you why asking for a specific rebuttal was retarded, and you're interpreting that as a concession. You are incurable.

>>64482079
>It's a very 1990s kind of boomerism

The modern amerimutt believes colonial policing is the same as a modern war against a peer opponent. Therefore you get these rah-rah posts by people who just do not understand the basics of science, engineering and mathematics. US local missile shield? Its going to be present for a whole week, then theres zero US Pac-3/Standard missiles available because they have all been shot off. The chinks will still launch their IRBMs. The USAF/USN consumption of air-2-air missiles will be huge, being fired against chink cruise missiles, scout drones and aircraft.

I expect the chinks to deploy hundreds of long range HALE scout drones and then keep track of where they get shot down. Then USAF/USN runs out of air-2-air missiles. I expect the US to loot all euro airforces for F-35s, amraams, sidewinders etc to make up for losses. That is going to keep them going for another month. Euros will ofc be butthurt but you cant deny Massa.

Satellites? US photo recon spy sats are in low earth orbits, they are the most basic targets for chink anti sats. A war with china would see US posturing capability and intel abilities across the whole world severely diminished. The only viable path to an easy US victory is a successfull first counterforce nuclear strike, leaving the chinks to chose between annihilation and surrender.

Also what are the chinks kidding themselves with here with nukes? At any given time, there's max 1 Chinese boomer in range of CONUS. Launching any more boomers closer would mean immediate detection and destruction because they're 20x louder than Russian boomers. China's ICBMs only have 250 nukes that can reach the US. So that's 270 nukes total. The US has 400 ICBMs all with the range to reach China, along with 5 boomers on patrol at any given time. So another 2-3 boomers in the Pacific worth of nukes to bring it up to 460. That's a difference in the hundreds.

>>64484025
implessive

>>64484025
>The modern amerimutt believes colonial policing is the same as a modern war against a peer opponent.
Just our government. Give us some credit. We're dumb but the average American isn't that dumb. Even the most slack jawed retard I know still knows something is fundamentally wrong here.
>>64484025
>I expect the chinks to deploy hundreds of long range HALE scout drones and then keep track of where they get shot down.
I think they'll employ a mesh networking based approach, but I'm spitballing too. I'm guessing we're both making guesses based on the best way we would employ their (known) assets, since we've got no clue what their actual plans are.
>Then USAF/USN runs out of air-2-air missiles. I expect the US to loot all euro airforces for F-35s, amraams, sidewinders etc to make up for losses. That is going to keep them going for another month. Euros will ofc be butthurt but you cant deny Massa.
I think that you're giving the US and EU too much credit. This will be the titanic collision of two immovable bureaucracies. I think that 20 years after the US has decisively lost the war the first European F-35 will be approved for shipment to Fedland which will be a tiny polity on the east coast of what used to be called the "united states".

>>64484025
>China can strike and destroy all US intelligence assets but the US can't cause I said so
I find it implessive at how you simultaneously ignore the size of the Pacific while stating the organic ISR capabilities of the Chinese.
>>64484057
This user is a cancuck.

>>64484066
>>64484041
Herp derp

>>64484057
>our
>us
I really need to make a version of picrel for the chinkposters

>>64484077
>derpy derp derp
I'm sorry you can't own legally guns due to being mentally defective. Just so you know I fully support the right of retards like you to bear arms.

>>64482465

This is total american delusion. The chinks are not going to help America reindustrialize. Trumps tariffs unironically also makes it harder, because they make importation of foreign machine tools more expensive. Reindustrializing America is a 20-30 year process that starts from the ground up and I dont see that happening atm.

>>64483687
it's not a game of equals stupid, China would be ripped apart

>>64484090
>Reindustrializing America is a 20-30 year process that starts from the ground up and I dont see that happening atm.
Abolish the federal government and it'd take 6 months tops.

>>64484071
>>64484084
Thirdie-kun, idk what you found when you searched up how real Americans behave online, but this sure as fuck ain't it

>>64483820
>But no, we cannot just conquer and occupy China in six months.
six weeks more like
chang can't fight
never could

>>64484071
>>64484084
The same fucking smug chinkspammer is back and now he's pretending to be a different anon. It's been what, 12 hours?

>>64484097
>>64484099
Just fuck off fed. You're not human and nobody is falling for your shit anymore.

>>64483876
>My man

>>64484107
>Just fuck off fed. You're not human and nobody is falling for your shit anymore.
nta kys turd world spastic

>>64483687
>Sure, general nuclear exchanges are a good idea. I'm sure America getting hit by hundreds of nukes after hitting China with hundreds of nukes is a victory in a conflict for an island that most Americans couldn't point to on a map.

If America gets a successful first counterforce strike in, its going to be dozens of chink nukes vs over a thousand amerimutt nukes. And I think that America can tank that.

>>64484116
>>64484123
>deepak poopinder cannot comprehend whites disagreeing with their overlords, and concludes that the dissent must be from the lower casts of his own society.

>>64483900
>Where did you get this idea? 80% of the US lives in urban areas.

The disposable americans live in urban areas. And in this scenario, only some urban areas would be nuked. F.ex San Francisco, the #1 open defecation city in America.

>>64484175
You don't understand countervalue targeting. Newfags who haven't read Oppenheimers threads should just shut the fuck up, read the archives, and then come back in a few days and apologize to their oldfag betters and vow to lurk moar before saying retarded shit again. You won't of course. You'll get mad and pretend you're real people and deserve to be treated seriously. But every declaration of innocence you make will just deepen your actual admission of guilt.

>>64484197
>random schizobabble about guilt and innocence
>vehement appeal to authority with no tangible substance
>perfect punctuation
>packing as many "4chan words" as possible into the post
There is a 0% chance you're not a chink using an LLM, kek