This place is a cognitohazard. I used to think FtMs passed. Now I clock every one I see. I wasn't like this before. Now I just see beards on butches.
Our brains are unfortunately exceptionally good at pattern recognition. It's something about the eyes. They're just...different.

>>40156956 (OP)
we are genuinely fucked

once trans awareness reaches its peak levels, everybody will be able to clock like we can and passing will be over forever

>>40156978
for poonmen. i honestly find it way harder for trannies

>>40156956 (OP)
This guy isn't exactly a gigapassoid to be using as an example.
>>40156978
In an ideal world, as trans awareness increases, so does trans access to healthcare and gigayoungshits are much more common, distancing the gap between cissoids and tranners.

>>40156993
idk i think its more like a bell curve for both. pooners tend to lie more in the middle like the average person has a harder time clocking them but it takes a lot for them to be unclockable by people who know. whereas trannies are skewed on both sides and many are universally clockable, many are almost unclockable, and most (who put in effort) are somewhere in the middle

>>40157046
that's wise honestly

>>40157046
huge cope boymoder ass
maybe girlmode before you give a lecture on passing

>>40157077
idk its just my dumb theory after lurking on this board for 3 years and u havent offered a better one so i dont wanna hear it

>>40156956 (OP)
Pooners are saved by their anonymity.
If you don't advertise that you're trans, you might still get misgendered, but no one will ever think TRANNY. I've had people at my workplace call me she, but the moment you speak, they apologize. Worst you get is that they think you're a gay little boy. People are blind as fuck. I wish MtFs were just mistaken as butches.

>>40157135
Nobody knows what a poon looks like. They only know of theyfabs with blue hair. If you appear Mostly normal, no one will make the connection. But people know what an MtF looks like and there's so much connotation connected to it. When people imagine "A woman pretending to be a man" they imagine positive stories of warriors or scientists, and at worse, a retard/child. Something to be disregarded entirely, not worth the effort to belittle.

>>40156956 (OP)
We need to educate people on how to clock poonpoons for real

>>40158143
they tend to be pretty subtle irl, especially if you don't hear them talk, but it can be done, the real issue is poons aren't that fucking common, and tend to overlap in appearance with butch lesbians, who are significantly more common

it would be a simple matter to stop putting in ear gauges and TRIM YOUR DAMM NECKBEARD but pooners refuse to do it and then wonder why they're so obvious

did none of you grow up with male siblings? untrimmed face pubes and neckbeards makes you look like a kid, just throw on your backwards hat and a skateboard and you look like a disney producer's idea of what a 14 year old boy looks like, stop doing that

>>40156956 (OP)
When it comes to the eyes, we don't see extra bones protruding or whatever. Instead we see that the bones around the eyes grow a bit more inwards, making the eyes more deep set. This is why trans women tend to have massive hollow eyebags that don't go away by sleeping more; it's a structural problem.

Ever since FFS shaved down my orbitals and browbone my eyes have been left with huge panda eyes, both under and above my eyes. What essentially happened is that my eyes developed like a valley with little mountains on the sides, and FFS shaved those mountains off, but there's still a ridge, a crater. It's very uncanny and weird-looking, but therefore also a bit beautiful.
In females the eyes are very flush with the brow. So even if they develop a bit of a brow, their eyes for some reason just don't retract into their skulls as much.
To this day I can place a fist against my eyes and not really feel it while my ftm friend would compress it by a lot

>>40156956 (OP)
They pass

>>40156956 (OP)
I have never seen a trans person that pass

>>40156956 (OP)
it's not the eyes, it's the cranium

>>40156978
this is the desirable outcome

>>40159236
cillian murphy confirmed for ftm. no wonder he plays trannies so well

>>40159804
What about him? First trans guy to get a phalloplasty.

>>40160409
Also Billy Lane, another trans man

Just wear dark glasses

>>40160409
>>40160424
So there are trans people who can pass. But they're all ftms.

>>40160447
There are passing trans women, but the thread is about how FtMs can't pass.
> I used to think FtMs passed. Now I clock every one I see.

>>40159804
I have never seen a toupee that looks real

>>40156956 (OP)
Sampling bias. Trans people who pass well usually just go stealth and keep their mouths shut. The only reason to be out is to get money (trans influencers), attention (histrionics), or because you can't get gendered properly otherwise (people using right pronouns out of pity).